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[dreamgazer]

dreamgazer wrote...

Anybody have the link handy that confirms Hudson, Walters or somebody said that Mass Effect 3 had a "Darth Vader" moment?

After doing some searching, I can't find any real evidence of this actually being said.  

Was this something that the BSN cooked up on their own?

[HellishFiend]

Rosewind wrote...

Hey Arian did you see the Convo I gad with some one this time yesterday about it being odd that the Dream and Romance scene are before Chronos and not before earth. Not like there wasn't time between earth and chronos for it.

Not sure if we can take that as a clue since all 3 ME games always have the romance scene before the point of no return. You can no longer do side missions or visit the Citadel once you hit Chronos, so that is the point of no return, same as in ME1 and 2. 

[HellishFiend]

HellishFiend wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

There's a bunch of cool stuff that's cropped up in your absence.
Starbinger turns into a "real boy" in the control ending for a brief
second, and someone posted a downloadable high-res and brightened breath
scene for better viewing. Good to see you around again!

This I must investigate.

Here is the first screenshot taken of it, once again:



You can clearly see enhanced texturing, sharpened lines, increased opacity, and added coloring. None of which are present in Starbinger's usual appearance. Frankly, I'm shocked I was the first to notice it and point it out, nearly 3 months after the game came out. 

Reposting for the new page. 

[EpyonX3]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Repost from the Twitter thread:

Vertigo_1 wrote...

LMAO:

twitter.com/manveerheir/status/210793925798133760
Dammit someone leaked the new extended cut ending of Mass Effect 3 i.imgur.com/u8BWP.gif - really sad the DLC surprise is spoiled #ME3

Great Wind!

[paxxton]

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I honestly admit that I didn't consider the Catalyst to be lying. He gave me 3 choices and the best (after thoughtful analysis, of course) was Control. Least damage, most gain.

Considering one of the masterminds of the storyline is a psychologist, I wouldnt be surprised if the fact that so many of us bought into the Starbinger's propaganda is actually a result of the subtle manipulations that reach through the game and affect the player directly. If anyone would know how to do that, a psychologist would. 

Well, I didn't new about Walter's degree at that time. And I didn't consider a computer game to be tricky to such an extent that it becomes sorta a metagame (that the end doesn't reveal the truth but twists everything to an unbearable degree).

Modifié par paxxton, 07 juin 2012 - 06:54 .

[Rosewind]

HellishFiend wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Hey Arian did you see the Convo I gad with some one this time yesterday about it being odd that the Dream and Romance scene are before Chronos and not before earth. Not like there wasn't time between earth and chronos for it.

Not sure if we can take that as a clue since all 3 ME games always have the romance scene before the point of no return. You can no longer do side missions or visit the Citadel once you hit Chronos, so that is the point of no return, same as in ME1 and 2. 

yeah but story wise makes more sense before earth (like lets let go cause we can die tomorrow kinda thing), like i said last night he/she seemed more worried about chronos then earth.

[dreamgazer]

paxxton wrote...

Well, I didn't new about Walter's degree at that time. And I didn't consider a computer game can be tricky to such an extent that it becomes sorta a metagame (that the end doesn't reveal the truth but twists everything to an unbearable degree).

Having recently navigated through The Fade (again) in Dragon Age: Origins, I was more than open to the idea of a meta-play on what we're seeing in the highly-surreal conclusion. 

[HellishFiend]

paxxton wrote...

Well, I didn't new about Walter's degree at that time. And I didn't consider a computer game to be tricky to such an extent that it becomes sorta a metagame (that the end doesn't reveal the truth but twists everything to an unbearable degree).

Same here. 

[D.Sharrah]

Is it just me...or is the thread moving at break neck speeds today?

@Hellish - I just don't think that we caught the control thing cause we have been so focused on destroy, destroy destroy...but it is one hell of a find! Which brings me to the fact that I amazed that "evidence" is still being found.

Modifié par D.Sharrah, 07 juin 2012 - 07:01 .

[paxxton]

dreamgazer wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Well, I didn't new about Walter's degree at that time. And I didn't consider a computer game can be tricky to such an extent that it becomes sorta a metagame (that the end doesn't reveal the truth but twists everything to an unbearable degree).

Having recently navigated through The Fade (again) in Dragon Age: Origins, I was more than open to the idea of a meta-play on what we're seeing in the highly-surreal conclusion. 

Sorry, didn't play DAO so no idea what you're talking about.

[paxxton]

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Well, I didn't new about Walter's degree at that time. And I didn't consider a computer game to be tricky to such an extent that it becomes sorta a metagame (that the end doesn't reveal the truth but twists everything to an unbearable degree).

Same here. 

At least we agree on this one.

[HellishFiend]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Is it just me...or is the thread moving at break neck speeds today?

@Hellish - I just don't hink that we caught the control thing cause we have been so focused on destroy, destroy destroy...but it is one hell of a find! Which brings me to the fact that I amazed that "evidence" is still being found.

Well, it's summer now, and we've uncovered some exciting new topics lately. Seems like a one two punch to me. :happy:

[Rosewind]

dreamgazer wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Well, I didn't new about Walter's degree at that time. And I didn't consider a computer game can be tricky to such an extent that it becomes sorta a metagame (that the end doesn't reveal the truth but twists everything to an unbearable degree).

Having recently navigated through The Fade (again) in Dragon Age: Origins, I was more than open to the idea of a meta-play on what we're seeing in the highly-surreal conclusion. 

OMG I hated the fade never played a mage once, and always dreaded that mission you had to do in there.

[paxxton]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Is it just me...or is the thread moving at break neck speeds today?

Were you here on Monday? It was really hard to catch up with anything posted then. Every 5 seconds several new posts appeared.

Modifié par paxxton, 07 juin 2012 - 07:01 .

[HellishFiend]

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Same here. 

At least we agree on this one.

 We agree on plenty of things. It's just that most of the discussion comes from contention rather than agreement. Contention tends to be more productive than agreement, as long as its not the troll variety. 

[paxxton]

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Same here. 

At least we agree on this one.

 We agree on plenty of things. It's just that most of the discussion comes from contention rather than agreement. Contention tends to be more productive than agreement, as long as its not the troll variety. 

Agreed.

[D.Sharrah]

paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Is it just me...or is the thread moving at break neck speeds today?

Were you here on Monday? It was really hard to catch up with anything posted then. Every 5 seconds several new posts appeared.

I was at work...when I got home I saw the number of new pages and said forget trying to read to catch up...in fact I may have even posted that I gave up trying to catch up...can't remeber if that was Monday or not...

It just seems like today every time I make a post, I have several new posts to catch up on...and forget about it if I actually have to step away from the computer for anything (like to get the kids some lunch)...

Edit:  Speaking of which its time to get the youngest down for a nap...

Modifié par D.Sharrah, 07 juin 2012 - 07:06 .

[Rosewind]

I feel ignored..... *sniff*

[estebanus]

Ok, I managed to get a picture of starchild turning corporeal that is much better quality than that youtube pic. Here it is.

[dreamgazer]

Rosewind wrote...

OMG I hated the fade never played a mage once, and always dreaded that mission you had to do in there.

It's hypnotic, and not all that far-removed from the ideas at-work when thinking of the indoctrination theory---all the way down to a figurative kid you see there whose language and visage you cannot trust at surface-value. 

Modifié par dreamgazer, 07 juin 2012 - 07:11 .

[Arian Dynas]

bigstig wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

It would be safe to say that if Shepard defeats indoctrination, it would be the turning point in the most important war of all time. In real life, where was the battle that is generally called the turning point of the most important war of real history? ... Normandy.

An interesting thought, but that's probably reaching a bit too far.

For Bioware? Hell no, that is not reaching too far. Could it be a coincidence? Sure. But if true? It's just about conclusive proof that ME3's "Player Indoctrination ending" was planned from the very start. 

Could be, however I would be more inclined to believe this if Normany was an exception to the naming stracture but I believe all Alliance frigates are named after historic battles.

Another far reaching idea -  cronos station could refer to the greek legend of Chronos who was the personifcation of time itself. There is also a Titan called Cronos but he is famous for castrating Uranus which 1: Doesn't tie into anything and 2: Sounds really disturbing

Kronus the titan (Also, Saturn, Saturnus, Chronos, Chronus, Kronos, Kronus, ect.) was the titan God of Time, as well as it's personification, the first son of Oranos, (Uranus to the Romans) the god of the sky dome, son and mate of Gaia, Mother Earth.

Chronos, was given a sickle of flint by his mother Gaia, who ordered him to castrate his father for the crime of impisoning his less pretty brothers and sisters, such as the Hekatonchieres (The Hundred Handed Ones) Cyclopes and Giants in the bowels of the Earth, known as Tarterus (Or Tartarus) the lowest level of the Underworld, also known as Gaia's womb.

Chronus castrated Oranos, tossing the remains into the sea, where his blood gave birth to the sea foam that one day would become the goddess of Love, Aphrodite. Chronus then broke the bargain made with his mother and seized his father's throne as the king of the Gods, his brothers and sisters then ruling the earth.

Chronus had several children by his wife and sister, the Titaness Rhea, she bore him 6 children, the gods Pluto (Hades) Hestia (Goddess of the Hearth) Hera (Juno to the Romans) Poseidon (Neptune) Demeter (Goddess of the Fields) all of whom he swallowed whole as soon as they were born, to preempt the prophecy that he would be overthrown by his own child as he overthrew his father. Rhea, displeased by her husband's acts, sought aid from her mother Gaia, who told her to give birth to her youngest child in secret, allowing him to be raised by the goat Alemathea and a number of sea nymphs in Crete, while she would present a stone, wrapped in swadling cloth, a bitter herb secreted within the folds of the cloth, to Chronus to swallow.

Rhea did so, allowing her youngest child, Zeus, to grow quickly and strong, while she presented the stone to Chronus, who fell for the trick, swallowing the rock and vomiting up his other swallowed children, whom immediately sided with their brother, whom then lead them in a war against the Titans, known as the Titanomachy.

When Zeus and his siblings prevailed, some of the notable titans, such as Promethus and his brother Epimethus (Forethought and Afterthought) siding with the Olympians, as well as shattering the locks to the Tartarean gates, unleashing the Hekatonchieres, Gigantes and Cyclopes who joined the Olympian army, they defied Gaia's orders once again and locked the Titans in Tarterus behind great gates, where Chronus would wait and plot, impotent as his son ruled the world above.

There, the entire myth, make what connections you will.

[Rosewind]

dreamgazer wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

OMG I hated the fade never played a mage once, and always dreaded that mission you had to do in there.

It's hypnotic, and all that far-removed from the ideas at-work when thinking of the indoctrination theory---all the way down to a figurative kid you see there whose language and visage you cannot trust at surface-value. 

yeah the fade always gave me a head ache

[HellishFiend]

estebanus wrote...

Ok, I managed to get a picture of starchild turning corporeal that is much better quality than that youtube pic. Here it is.

Excellent! That looks like it may be a different split second than the youtube screenshot though. Cant really see any coloring. I suppose there is the chance that the coloring is an optical illusion in the youtube video, but that seems unlikely since the "colors" are spot-on. 

[paxxton]

D.Sharrah wrote...

paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Is it just me...or is the thread moving at break neck speeds today?

Were you here on Monday? It was really hard to catch up with anything posted then. Every 5 seconds several new posts appeared.

I was at work...when I got home I saw the number of new pages and said forget trying to read to catch up...in fact I may have even posted that I gave up trying to catch up...can't remeber if that was Monday or not...

It just seems like today every time I make a post, I have several new posts to catch up on...and forget about it if I actually have to step away from the computer for anything (like to get the kids some lunch)...

Edit:  Speaking of which its time to get the youngest down for a nap...

Sometimes it's virtually impossible.

[Arian Dynas]

Rosewind wrote...

Hey Arian did you see the Convo I gad with some one this time yesterday about it being odd that the Dream and Romance scene are before Chronos and not before earth. Not like there wasn't time between earth and chronos for it.

Nope, haven't had the chance and *hug* not ignoring you.