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[paxxton]

MaximizedAction wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...
 Events even leading up to that felt like they were supposed to wear you down physically and emotionally. Did anyone else just feel drained by the time the catalyst scene hit? Thanks to that, the most I even noticed the first time around was the datapad about the people walking toward the beam and the "created will always rebel against the creator" nonsense.

I know I certainly did. I was only able to half-pay attention to what Starbinger was even saying, and I know I'm not alone in that, because several other people have said the same. 

For example, me, too.
I think that overkill slaughterfest at the Thanix missles contributed to that to a great deal. But also all the confusion that builds up during the Anderson/TIM conversation.

The London mission is pretty intense. Especially protecting those Thanix missles. Also it's the best in terms of combat in the whole game. I really had much fun in London.

Modifié par paxxton, 07 juin 2012 - 07:29 .

[Rosewind]

paxxton wrote...

@Rosewind: You could make Control and Synthesis signatures too.

Yeah I only got red on the indoc title bit cause i picked destroy, but i still need high rez pics of both defaults mine i not letting anyone have mine.

Modifié par Rosewind, 07 juin 2012 - 07:30 .

[balance5050]

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I don't think such an interference would be overlooked. I'm not sure if it's even possible.

See? We agree.  

I know you probably already know this, but just to remind people, they've admitted to seeing glitches and leaving them in for effect. At PAX they said there was a graphical error that caused a certain point during Mordins last scene to slow down, but they left it in for dramatic effect.

These are professionals people.....

[Macgummi]

HellishFiend wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...
 Events even leading up to that felt like they were supposed to wear you down physically and emotionally. Did anyone else just feel drained by the time the catalyst scene hit? Thanks to that, the most I even noticed the first time around was the datapad about the people walking toward the beam and the "created will always rebel against the creator" nonsense.

I know I certainly did. I was only able to half-pay attention to what Starbinger was even saying, and I know I'm not alone in that, because several other people have said the same. 

I did, too. I can´t even say why. When I finished the game it was Saturday afternoon, I wasn´t exhausted or anything, but still I hardly managed to listen closely to Starchild...

[byne]

Jamie9 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

I know I certainly did. I was only able to half-pay attention to what Starbinger was even saying, and I know I'm not alone in that, because several other people have said the same. 

For example, me, too.

Truly, they were successful in making us "feel what Shepard feels". 

I felt this too. It felt worse every time you lost someone. Mordin, Thane, Legion. It culminates at Thessia's fall. By the time you've defeated TIM and sat down with Cerberus, you think you're done. You let go. And then it keeps going...

The only death that made me feel sad was Thane's. Mordin and Legion went out the way they wanted, saving an entire species in the process. Thane died in a hospital bed unable to breathe. Thane's death felt pointless.

As for Thessia, did people actually care when Thessia fell?

The Reapers were all over the planet. Did anyone actually go into that mission expecting to save Thessia? I sure didnt.

[Arian Dynas]

Unschuld wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

You're mistaken here... Shepard did not ask Anderson any question of the sort. It was extremely random on Anderson's part.

shepard asks one time, and when anderson repeats it shepards has forgoten.

I'm fairly certain that Shepard does not ever ask Anderson where he was born. And when Anderson tells him the second time in the mako, Shepard sounds confused that he would repeat it to him.

One possibility, Anderson might have forgotten, someone check the scene with the Cerberus doctors on the Derelict Reaper, I think one of them was experiencing memory loss, which also resulted in him sharing memories with someone else.

DUDE!!!

No, I thought of something. Maybe someone already brought it up while I was asleep/away. Those scientists start sharing memories inside the derelict reaper and get confused. What if Anderson's "I was born in London" line is a result of him sharing memories with Coates or any of the other millions of people living there?

Which is pretty much exactly what I said... 

[Jamie9]

HellishFiend wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

I felt this too. It felt worse every time you lost someone. Mordin, Thane, Legion. It culminates at Thessia's fall. By the time you've defeated TIM and sat down with Cerberus, you think you're done. You let go. And then it keeps going...

Freudian slip?  <_<

I do agree though. 

Ha! I really misplaced Anderson with Cerberus... freudian slip indeed!

I'm not even gonna correct it.

[HellishFiend]

Macgummi wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...
 Events even leading up to that felt like they were supposed to wear you down physically and emotionally. Did anyone else just feel drained by the time the catalyst scene hit? Thanks to that, the most I even noticed the first time around was the datapad about the people walking toward the beam and the "created will always rebel against the creator" nonsense.

I know I certainly did. I was only able to half-pay attention to what Starbinger was even saying, and I know I'm not alone in that, because several other people have said the same. 

I did, too. I can´t even say why. When I finished the game it was Saturday afternoon, I wasn´t exhausted or anything, but still I hardly managed to listen closely to Starchild...

It's possible it has something to do with the music, too. The sound designers have said several times that they embedded some psychological effects into the music of the game. We've discovered some, but not all of them. 

[dreamgazer]

Yeah, Priority: Earth sent me through the ringer.

Between the combat and the stark setting, it's physically, mentally, and emotionally exhausting. I don't think the combat was all that "hard", really (I'm not a great player, at all, and even I survived all the way through the final push of Banshees and Brutes without dying once), but I do think it is pretty relentlessly chaotic.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 07 juin 2012 - 07:36 .

[HellishFiend]

byne wrote...


The only death that made me feel sad was Thane's. Mordin and Legion went out the way they wanted, saving an entire species in the process. Thane died in a hospital bed unable to breathe. Thane's death felt pointless.

As for Thessia, did people actually care when Thessia fell?

The Reapers were all over the planet. Did anyone actually go into that mission expecting to save Thessia? I sure didnt.

Yeah, to be honest, I have no clue where the whole "saving Thessia" mess came from. I cant think of a scenario where "saving Thessia" would even be possible. The only thing we could have succeeded with was recovering the VI. That was our only failure. 

[balance5050]

byne wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

I know I certainly did. I was only able to half-pay attention to what Starbinger was even saying, and I know I'm not alone in that, because several other people have said the same. 

For example, me, too.

Truly, they were successful in making us "feel what Shepard feels". 

I felt this too. It felt worse every time you lost someone. Mordin, Thane, Legion. It culminates at Thessia's fall. By the time you've defeated TIM and sat down with Cerberus, you think you're done. You let go. And then it keeps going...

The only death that made me feel sad was Thane's. Mordin and Legion went out the way they wanted, saving an entire species in the process. Thane died in a hospital bed unable to breathe. Thane's death felt pointless.

As for Thessia, did people actually care when Thessia fell?

The Reapers were all over the planet. Did anyone actually go into that mission expecting to save Thessia? I sure didnt.

No Mordin love? I straight weeped man, for both of my playthroughs and will cry again on my 3rd.

Thane was getting old and he was sick.... I was expecting him to go.

Modifié par balance5050, 07 juin 2012 - 07:38 .

[liggy002]

byne wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

I know I certainly did. I was only able to half-pay attention to what Starbinger was even saying, and I know I'm not alone in that, because several other people have said the same. 

For example, me, too.

Truly, they were successful in making us "feel what Shepard feels". 

I felt this too. It felt worse every time you lost someone. Mordin, Thane, Legion. It culminates at Thessia's fall. By the time you've defeated TIM and sat down with Cerberus, you think you're done. You let go. And then it keeps going...

The only death that made me feel sad was Thane's. Mordin and Legion went out the way they wanted, saving an entire species in the process. Thane died in a hospital bed unable to breathe. Thane's death felt pointless.

As for Thessia, did people actually care when Thessia fell?

The Reapers were all over the planet. Did anyone actually go into that mission expecting to save Thessia? I sure didnt.

No, I knew Thessia was screwed... at least until the Reaper threat could be dealt with.  And, that's the big question on all of our minds.... has the Reaper threat been dealt with or is there more to come?

[Arian Dynas]

Anywho, since this thread is moving too fast right now to get a word in edgewise, I'll be back in a while someone have a cliffnotes version of what happens when I get back.

[Jamie9]

byne wrote...

The only death that made me feel sad was Thane's. Mordin and Legion went out the way they wanted, saving an entire species in the process. Thane died in a hospital bed unable to breathe. Thane's death felt pointless.

As for Thessia, did people actually care when Thessia fell?

The Reapers were all over the planet. Did anyone actually go into that mission expecting to save Thessia? I sure didnt.

Just because a death is meaningful doesn't make it any less sad. Mordin was happy to die to save the Krogan. Legion was happy to die to help the Geth achieve sentience. But I was still devastated to see them go.

In a roundabout way, Thane saves the council and the Virmire Survivor, which is a pretty big thing to do considering he was going to die in a couple of months anyway. Still sad though.

Although many people have compared the fall of Thessia to the Child - in that it is forced empathy, I actually did feel for Thessia.

Did I expect to save it? Not really. But I expected to be able to help in some way. Aid the resistance. At least get the Prothean VI. But you get nothing. You lose.

[Unschuld]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Which is pretty much exactly what I said... 

I'll admit I got excited, so I may have misinterpreted what you said as Anderson "forgetting things" (which is why he tells you the London thing twice), rather than the reason he's saying that being entirely due to shared memories.

[D.Sharrah]

paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Is it just me...or is the thread moving at break neck speeds today?

Were you here on Monday? It was really hard to catch up with anything posted then. Every 5 seconds several new posts appeared.

I was at work...when I got home I saw the number of new pages and said forget trying to read to catch up...in fact I may have even posted that I gave up trying to catch up...can't remeber if that was Monday or not...

It just seems like today every time I make a post, I have several new posts to catch up on...and forget about it if I actually have to step away from the computer for anything (like to get the kids some lunch)...

Edit:  Speaking of which its time to get the youngest down for a nap...

Sometimes it's virtually impossible.

Its usually not to bad...just get him warm, give him his pacifer and gently bounce him until he's closed his eyes...then go and lay him down.  As long as he is ready it doesn't take too long...which is why I was able to back on here so quick (but not before there was about a page of new posts).

[dreamgazer]

byne wrote...

The only death that made me feel sad was Thane's. Mordin and Legion went out the way they wanted, saving an entire species in the process. Thane died in a hospital bed unable to breathe. Thane's death felt pointless.

Thane's actual death didn't do it for me, but Kolyat's prayer certainly did.  I wanted that guy on my ship immediately after that scene. 

Still think he might make it into the Life Support room eventually.  That scene could pretty much work either with Kolyat not on the squad or with him present the entire time. 

[llbountyhunter]

Macgummi wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...
 Events even leading up to that felt like they were supposed to wear you down physically and emotionally. Did anyone else just feel drained by the time the catalyst scene hit? Thanks to that, the most I even noticed the first time around was the datapad about the people walking toward the beam and the "created will always rebel against the creator" nonsense.

I know I certainly did. I was only able to half-pay attention to what Starbinger was even saying, and I know I'm not alone in that, because several other people have said the same. 

I did, too. I can´t even say why. When I finished the game it was Saturday afternoon, I wasn´t exhausted or anything, but still I hardly managed to listen closely to Starchild...

Well i finished the game like at four in the morning... I assumed things would make sense after I slept for awhile... but alas, they did not.

[TSA_383]

Text-wall time
[quote]Macgummi wrote...

[quote]HellishFiend wrote...

[quote]ThisOneIsPunny wrote...
 Events even leading up to that felt like they were supposed to wear you down physically and emotionally. Did anyone else just feel drained by the time the catalyst scene hit? Thanks
to that, the most I even noticed the first time around was the datapad
about the people walking toward the beam and the "created will always
rebel against the creator" nonsense.[/quote]

I know I certainly
did. I was only able to half-pay attention to what Starbinger was even
saying, and I know I'm not alone in that, because several other people
have said the same. 
[/quote]

I did, too. I can´t even say
why. When I finished the game it was Saturday afternoon, I wasn´t
exhausted or anything, but still I hardly managed to listen closely to
Starchild...

[/quote]

The whole thing was designed from the ground up to wear you down as much as possible.
everything about it was depressing.

[quote]estebanus wrote...

Ok, I managed to get a picture of starchild turning corporeal that is much better quality than that youtube pic. Here it is.


[/quote]

Holy. ****.


That is awesome.


If anyone has a link to a good 1080p HD youtube link for the endings, I'm willing to go through the whole thing frame-by-frame and see what there is to find from these things.

Good work!

[quote]D.Sharrah wrote...

[quote]HellishFiend wrote...

snip...

[/quote]

Also...there
is a similar instance in the synthesis ending...but its not as easy to
see (either in vid or still)...I believe we have been waiting for
someone to flycam the scene...I would, but alas I am on 360.   Not sure
exactly what page it is...but there is a vid of it somewhere, and I
believe the shift is around the 6:18 mark of that vid.  I'll see if I
can find the link and post it in an edit...

Edit:  Back on page 546, Brought to us by Bleeding Uranium...

"AHA! I found something in the Synthesis ending!
At the moment the scene starts Shepard drops the Carnifex. At the same
time, in the background you can see Starbinger, and he turns real for a
second (like in Control), and then disappears! "[/quote]
I shall investigate and produce screenshots shortly

[quote]Makrys wrote...

[quote]HellishFiend wrote...

[quote]Makrys wrote...

What do you think its symbolic of? I mean, what exactly is that saying?

And
that's very interesting about London. I'd be interested in learning
what combat areas are rehashes from the previous games, and what they
are rehashing.

I'm not going to lie. I would be very pleased if we got a new final mission and a new ending. But they already said no to the new ending, so I'm not sure how we can have a new mission leading up to it.

[/quote]

It's symbolic of the metaphoric "tool" used by Shepard when picking that particular choice. 

In Destroy, the gun is your tool, so it changes to "Good guy Predator'

In
Control, Starbinger's persuasions are your tool, so he briefly changes
to vent boy, since that is who Starbinger uses to manipulate your
motivations. 


[/quote]

Gotcha. And these split second changes have got to be intentional. I mean, it seems way too coincidental otherwise. And they would be a bug? Eh.

[/quote]
Due to the way it's done, it's not possible for it to be unintentional.
In fact, somebody probably put quite a lot of work into this transition and I imagine they'd be pretty pissed off if we didn't notice

[quote]Makrys wrote...

What do you think its symbolic of? I mean, what exactly is that saying?

And
that's very interesting about London. I'd be interested in learning
what combat areas are rehashes from the previous games, and what they
are rehashing.

I'm not going to lie. I would be very pleased if we got a new final mission and a new ending. But they already said no to the new ending, so I'm not sure how we can have a new mission leading up to it.

[/quote]
The child is a part of the alternative reality that the reapers make Shepard see. You are absorbed by that reality choosing control or synthesis

[quote]Unschuld wrote...

[quote]Arian Dynas wrote...

[quote]HellishFiend wrote...

[quote]llbountyhunter wrote...

[quote]HellishFiend wrote...

You're mistaken here... Shepard did not ask Anderson any question of the sort. It was extremely random on Anderson's part.

[/quote]

shepard asks one time, and when anderson repeats it shepards has forgoten.

[/quote]

I'm
fairly certain that Shepard does not ever ask Anderson where he was
born. And when Anderson tells him the second time in the mako, Shepard
sounds confused that he would repeat it to him.

[/quote]

One
possibility, Anderson might have forgotten, someone check the scene
with the Cerberus doctors on the Derelict Reaper, I think one of them
was experiencing memory loss, which also resulted in him sharing
memories with someone else.

[/quote]

DUDE!!!

No, I
thought of something. Maybe someone already brought it up while I was
asleep/away. Those scientists start sharing memories inside the derelict
reaper and get confused. What if Anderson's "I was born in London" line
is a result of him sharing memories with Coates or any of the other
millions of people living there?[/quote]

Certainly plausible. I'll have a listen on my next play-through and see if I spot anything curious.

[quote]HellishFiend wrote...

[quote]bigstig wrote...

The
idea of facing against your LI has been mentioned before, usually the
concept was your LI will be the one who has to kill you or is the one
that allows you to break your indoctrination.
[/quote]

That could get ugly for me, since I romanced Jack!

"****
YOU, Shepard! We put our trust in you and in the end you sided with the
Reapers! *crushes you into a pulp with raw biotic force*"

[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/crying.png[/smilie]

[/quote]
Ditto, I'd love for Jack to come back, for me she was the most interesting character in ME2 by far.
Jack fans got badly short-changed in ME3.

[quote]dreamgazer wrote...

[quote]Turbo_J wrote...

[quote]dreamgazer wrote...

[quote]Turbo_J wrote...

Liara
killed her mother. I'm sure she'll do what needs to be done. I'd hope
for the save too, as she is also my LI, but once the brain has been
altered by indoctrination, there is no coming back from it. It's
permanent unless a fix/cure is developed in the near ME future.

[/quote]

Or
unless Liara ninja-prepared Shepard for the parameters of an
indoctrination attempt during the "gift" sequence, based on the mutual
experience with her mother and given Liara's knowledge of Shepard's
strong will.

[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]

[/quote]

Falls
out of the realm of lore, but I guess it could be done kind of... Still
a stretch. It could be a way to save control and synth victims.

[/quote]

A
little, yeah, but we're working with a few unique parameters that
outline Shepard as a unique case: a) Benezia knew how to corner a
portion of her mentality off to Saren's influence, something that Liara
could have had a few years to research and master; Shepard's been
established as someone who can weather mental "manipulation", given how
she could withstand Shiala's mental meddling after the Thorian's death;
and c) Shepard's been able to carry the Prothean visions in his/her mind
all along. 

[/quote]

Could Liara's "gift" make a part of shepard's mind immune to the indoctrination, allowing him to regain control somehow?

[quote]EpyonX3 wrote...

I feel like the crazy old man in the
corner shouting out random stuff that people can't stand. And every once
in a while I say something that people like or find funny. [/quote]

Such is life

[byne]

balance5050 wrote...

byne wrote...

The only death that made me feel sad was Thane's. Mordin and Legion went out the way they wanted, saving an entire species in the process. Thane died in a hospital bed unable to breathe. Thane's death felt pointless.

As for Thessia, did people actually care when Thessia fell?

The Reapers were all over the planet. Did anyone actually go into that mission expecting to save Thessia? I sure didnt.

No Mordin love? I straight weeped man, for both of my playthroughs and will cry again on my 3rd.

Only teared up for Thane's death, because how he went out was a lot sadder than how Legion and Mordin went out.

I dont even like Thane that much. I like Mordin and Legion far more, I just didnt find their deaths sad, because they went out for a reason.

"Some souls die in battle, some in their sleep, and some die for no reason at all" - Padok Wiks

Thane's definitely felt like a 'no reason at all' kind of death.

[balance5050]

byne wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

byne wrote...

The only death that made me feel sad was Thane's. Mordin and Legion went out the way they wanted, saving an entire species in the process. Thane died in a hospital bed unable to breathe. Thane's death felt pointless.

As for Thessia, did people actually care when Thessia fell?

The Reapers were all over the planet. Did anyone actually go into that mission expecting to save Thessia? I sure didnt.

No Mordin love? I straight weeped man, for both of my playthroughs and will cry again on my 3rd.

Only teared up for Thane's death, because how he went out was a lot sadder than how Legion and Mordin went out.

I dont even like Thane that much. I like Mordin and Legion far more, I just didnt find their deaths sad, because they went out for a reason.

"Some souls die in battle, some in their sleep, and some die for no reason at all" - Padok Wiks

Thane's definitely felt like a 'no reason at all' kind of death.

You're right, Thane's death was more of punch to the gut than the other major deaths.... I was more angry than sad I guess....

[HellishFiend]

@
llbountyhunter, reposting this reply I made to one of your posts earlier today, in case you missed it. I hope it doesnt sound too harsh, as I had just woken up. 

 

HellishFiend wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

So is that "all of earth was a hallucination" idea still circling around? If so id like to bring some points up.

1. The cain.
So part of the evidence for the theory is that the cain doesn't shoot straight when shooting the hades cannon.

This is incorrect the cain DOES shoot straight. Pick up the second cain and shoot the banshee, straight shot.Obviously the first cain was their for dramatic effect. There's a difference from symbolism and theatrics.


2. Anderson repeating his birthplace.

Well this wouldn't be the first time a character does this. Remember miranda?

She tells about depating putting a control chip in shepard during her visit to the citadel. Then again on sancuary.why would she do that??? Might as well move the hallucination starting point again.

The tone of your first and last sentences suggests to me that youre biased because you dont want all of Earth to be a hallucination.

If you've been reading my posts, it should be quite clear that I am fully objective when analyzing evidence, and I happen to think that the Cain discrepancy is very compelling as a piece of evidence that something is wrong with that scene. 

That is far, far too much of a discrepancy to accept as creative license. And I take the fact that there are two Cains there at all as an illustration that the manner in which the Cain takes down the Hades Cannon is off.

Answer me this: If its done incorrectly for dramatic effect, why have two Cains at all? Why have one which defies lore sitting right next to one that operates according to the codex? The "dramatic effect" explanation would be far more plausible if there were only one Cain. In addition, why not scrap the codex entry again like they did with ME2, since it contradicts the "theatric" version that we see? Or, why not alter the Codex entry to wrap the lore around the Cain as the way we see it? Sorry, it just doesnt add up to creative license, in my opinion. 

[Rosewind]

dreamgazer wrote...

byne wrote...

The only death that made me feel sad was Thane's. Mordin and Legion went out the way they wanted, saving an entire species in the process. Thane died in a hospital bed unable to breathe. Thane's death felt pointless.

Thane's actual death didn't do it for me, but Kolyat's prayer certainly did.  I wanted that guy on my ship immediately after that scene. 

Still think he might make it into the Life Support room eventually.  That scene could pretty much work either with Kolyat not on the squad or with him present the entire time. 

Same here the death was meh but that prayer makes me cry, I only want him on the ship so i could lick him......

I am still like HELLL YEAH when shep stabs Kai leng in the stomach and says thats for Thane

Modifié par Rosewind, 07 juin 2012 - 07:46 .

[ivenoidea]

OK so i was trying to take a video of starchild materializing in synthesis now, and something REALLY strange happened. Video as soon as the damn upload finishes.

Edit: Here it is.

www.youtube.com/watch

(It's still being processed, so for 1080p you'l have to wait a bit.)

Modifié par ivenoidea, 07 juin 2012 - 07:49 .

[byne]

HellishFiend wrote...

Macgummi wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...
 Events even leading up to that felt like they were supposed to wear you down physically and emotionally. Did anyone else just feel drained by the time the catalyst scene hit? Thanks to that, the most I even noticed the first time around was the datapad about the people walking toward the beam and the "created will always rebel against the creator" nonsense.

I know I certainly did. I was only able to half-pay attention to what Starbinger was even saying, and I know I'm not alone in that, because several other people have said the same. 

I did, too. I can´t even say why. When I finished the game it was Saturday afternoon, I wasn´t exhausted or anything, but still I hardly managed to listen closely to Starchild...

It's possible it has something to do with the music, too. The sound designers have said several times that they embedded some psychological effects into the music of the game. We've discovered some, but not all of them. 

I definitely noticed that this music was off.

Maybe my audio settings were a tad messed up or something, but every time I get to the part where the elevator starts rising, and I hear that music, I can almost feel it in my head.

Its really weird music.