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[HellishFiend]

SS2Dante wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Andromidius wrote...


You could be right on the overaching plot development, though I do think Dark Energy did originally have a part to play.  Was probably dropped since it overcomplicated an already complicated plot and didn't really add anything to the story.  Heck, maybe it still will be in the story *cough cough*.

Nope! Dark Energy was the red herring! I'm calling it right now. 

Nah, I don't buy that. Tali's mission in 2 set up the Dark Energy mystery quite clearly. And the Catalyst is a Dark Energy converter, or some such thing. Either it's not been done yet or it was scrapped, unless it's explained in the EC, but I don't think they'd just create a mystery and not solve it as a red herring.

EDIT - reading again, perhaps I don't so much disagree but agree with caveats

Well it wouldnt be much of a red herring if it wasnt "set up quite clearly", would it?

[HellishFiend]

SS2Dante wrote...

No no no no

THAT is in the realms of literary criticism, not intentional design, I'd bet anything.

Note: "seems plausible" doesnt imply that one agrees with something. Just acknowledging it. 

[Andromidius]

SS2Dante wrote...
Claiming that the dream noises sound like oily shadows, for example, is both over-stretching and and missaprehending the Rachni "hearing". But ah well.

Speaking of the Rachni and the oily shadows...

Their long antennae are probably their ears*, and they are potentially more functional then their eyes.  The fact they 'sing' to each other may add to this theory, being that sound is their main form of stimuli for communication.  Thus sound would be the best way to manipulate them, and the fact hear 'sounds like oily shadows' could mean they 'see' the oily shadows like a Bat can see with echolocation.

Thus in humans, they can see shadows creeping into their subconscience.  Oily shadows.

Don't really know how relivent or blantantly obvious that is, but it always interested me.  And those shadowy figures in the dreams certainly had a fluid aspect to them.

* Edit:  Should have said 'equivilent of ears'.  Since, you know, antennae aren't ears.  Doh.

Modifié par Andromidius, 07 juin 2012 - 10:09 .

[paxxton]

Did anyone notice that?

paxxton wrote...

Is it just me or the characters in ME3 look strangely exhausted in comparison to ME2?

Could that be an effect of indoctrination? Look at Miranda and Jacob. Shepard also doesn't look well. As if they were tired of fighting even if they do not acknowledge that. Their faces are pale and old. Btw, they are all humans. Ashley is the only one who looks better than in ME2 but she's already indoctrinated.

[HellishFiend]

Andromidius wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...
Claiming that the dream noises sound like oily shadows, for example, is both over-stretching and and missaprehending the Rachni "hearing". But ah well.

Speaking of the Rachni and the oily shadows...

Their long antennae are probably their ears, and they are potentially more functional then their eyes.  The fact they 'sing' to each other may add to this theory, being that sound is their main form of stimuli for communication.  Thus sound would be the best way to manipulate them, and the fact hear 'sounds like oily shadows' could mean they 'see' the oily shadows like a Bat can see with echolocation.

Thus in humans, they can see shadows creeping into their subconscience.  Oily shadows.

Don't really know how relivent or blantantly obvious that is, but it always interested me.  And those shadowy figures in the dreams certainly had a fluid aspect to them.

Plus, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that even in humans, the sense of sound has a faster and more powerful connection to the brain when compared to sight. 

[SS2Dante]

HellishFiend wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Andromidius wrote...


You could be right on the overaching plot development, though I do think Dark Energy did originally have a part to play.  Was probably dropped since it overcomplicated an already complicated plot and didn't really add anything to the story.  Heck, maybe it still will be in the story *cough cough*.

Nope! Dark Energy was the red herring! I'm calling it right now. 

Nah, I don't buy that. Tali's mission in 2 set up the Dark Energy mystery quite clearly. And the Catalyst is a Dark Energy converter, or some such thing. Either it's not been done yet or it was scrapped, unless it's explained in the EC, but I don't think they'd just create a mystery and not solve it as a red herring.

EDIT - reading again, perhaps I don't so much disagree but agree with caveats

Well it wouldnt be much of a red herring if it wasnt "set up quite clearly", would it?

Hence the edit, sorry, my problem would be if it's not addressed in the EC. Red herrings have to be explained, so if the Dark Energy buildup is not then that means they've deliberately opened up a mystery that they don't intend to solve, which is just bad storytelling. Since I don't think Bioware are bad storytellers, that would imply it wasn't set up as a red herring.

Unless some future game in the same universe takes it on...

[HellishFiend]

paxxton wrote...

Did anyone notice that?

paxxton wrote...

Is it just me or the characters in ME3 look strangely exhausted in comparison to ME2?

Could that be an effect of indoctrination? Look at Miranda and Jacob. Shepard also doesn't look well. As if they were tired of fighting even if they do not acknowledge that. Their faces are pale and old. Btw, they are all humans. Ashley is the only one who looks better than in ME2 but she's already indoctrinated.

Noticed it.. Dont have any coherent thoughts on the matter though, unfortunately. 

[EpyonX3]

Side note.

We know that a dead reaper can still mess with your head, right?

What happened to the scientists that studied the remains of Sovereign? We got thannix missiles from it but no one went through the effects of being near reaper tech?

[Andromidius]

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


Ok since I still like IT I'm going to offer this bit of observation.

It could be said that Shepard embraces the child and find peace right?

Well to me that's similar to what Samara says before she kills someone. "find peace in the embrace of the goddess"

Now the Goddess Samara is refering to is most likely Athane, which we learned was actually a prothean preparing the Asari for the return of the reapers.

I'm not sure where to continue with this but maybe you guys can see a connection.

I'll go back to my corner now...

Not bad, seems plausible. 

Though that would imply that Starbinger is a diety of some kind.  Which I guess he's supposed to be in a twisted way - the Reaper's 'God' creator.  If he even exists as is portrayed.

Plus I always took that prayer as being a blessing of protection, asking the Goddess to protect them from the darkness.  So protection from Reapers?

[paxxton]

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Did anyone notice that?

paxxton wrote...

Is it just me or the characters in ME3 look strangely exhausted in comparison to ME2?

Could that be an effect of indoctrination? Look at Miranda and Jacob. Shepard also doesn't look well. As if they were tired of fighting even if they do not acknowledge that. Their faces are pale and old. Btw, they are all humans. Ashley is the only one who looks better than in ME2 but she's already indoctrinated.

Noticed it.. Dont have any coherent thoughts on the matter though, unfortunately. 

Maybe later then.

Modifié par paxxton, 07 juin 2012 - 10:13 .

[SS2Dante]

HellishFiend wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...
Claiming that the dream noises sound like oily shadows, for example, is both over-stretching and and missaprehending the Rachni "hearing". But ah well.

Speaking of the Rachni and the oily shadows...

Their long antennae are probably their ears, and they are potentially more functional then their eyes.  The fact they 'sing' to each other may add to this theory, being that sound is their main form of stimuli for communication.  Thus sound would be the best way to manipulate them, and the fact hear 'sounds like oily shadows' could mean they 'see' the oily shadows like a Bat can see with echolocation.

Thus in humans, they can see shadows creeping into their subconscience.  Oily shadows.

Don't really know how relivent or blantantly obvious that is, but it always interested me.  And those shadowy figures in the dreams certainly had a fluid aspect to them.

Plus, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that even in humans, the sense of sound has a faster and more powerful connection to the brain when compared to sight. 

It's implied to be almost like synesthesia, or more accurately, the Rachi "hearing" encompasses several perceptions, including sight (oily shadows) and smell/taste (sour yellow note). Basically I don't think the Rachni hearing is really comparable to our own.

[TSA_383]

HellishFiend wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...
ME3 plays a 15Hz tone over the entirety of the normandy at fairly high volume, which is pretty interesting.

 

Really!? Gonna have to take a look at my subwoofer next time I'm on the Normandy....

On second thought, damn. It seems my sub might actually have an electronic crossover cutoff of 19hz, so I might not be able to check into this one. I'd have to hook up a subwoofer with no built-in crossover.

I don't still have the spectral thing I screenshotted, but basically I did this:

-Had nice filter box and nice speakers still plugged in.
-Set it to filter out everything above 20Hz at 24dB/Octave (pretty steep)
-Turned 400W amp up to full.
-Went back to ME3
-Started walking around normandy.
-Watched speaker vibrate along the floor of the room
-Got complaints from downstairs neighbour

paxxton wrote...

Is it just me or the characters in ME3 look strangely exhausted in comparison to ME2?

Oh totally, it's part of the dark theme of the series.

So many characters seem to note how frail Shep looks though - you can see him/her cracking...

Modifié par TSA_383, 07 juin 2012 - 10:15 .

[SS2Dante]

Andromidius wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


Ok since I still like IT I'm going to offer this bit of observation.

It could be said that Shepard embraces the child and find peace right?

Well to me that's similar to what Samara says before she kills someone. "find peace in the embrace of the goddess"

Now the Goddess Samara is refering to is most likely Athane, which we learned was actually a prothean preparing the Asari for the return of the reapers.

I'm not sure where to continue with this but maybe you guys can see a connection.

I'll go back to my corner now...

Not bad, seems plausible. 

Though that would imply that Starbinger is a diety of some kind.  Which I guess he's supposed to be in a twisted way - the Reaper's 'God' creator.  If he even exists as is portrayed.

Plus I always took that prayer as being a blessing of protection, asking the Goddess to protect them from the darkness.  So protection from Reapers?

He doesn't mean it as literally as that, I think. Symbolism.

[HellishFiend]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Side note.

We know that a dead reaper can still mess with your head, right?

What happened to the scientists that studied the remains of Sovereign? We got thannix missiles from it but no one went through the effects of being near reaper tech?

No, we got Thanix cannons from Sovereign, not missiles. And due to the way Thanix technology works, as I've pointed out, "Thanix Missiles" is a contradiction of terms. There is also no codex entry for it. One would think that a piece of tech so vital to the survival of the galaxy would have a flippin' codex entry... if it were real. 

[Andromidius]

HellishFiend wrote...

Plus, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that even in humans, the sense of sound has a faster and more powerful connection to the brain when compared to sight. 

Yeah it does.  Its more primal and deep-rooted, its why we can be effected by sounds we can't even 'hear'.

It was more an analogy to her choice of words.  'Sound' and 'vision' are the same thing to her.  Perhaps, in any case.

SS2Dante wrote...

It's implied to be almost like
synesthesia, or more accurately, the Rachi "hearing" encompasses several
perceptions, including sight (oily shadows) and smell/taste (sour
yellow note). Basically I don't think the Rachni hearing is really
comparable to our own.

Ninja'ed, but yeah basically this.

Modifié par Andromidius, 07 juin 2012 - 10:15 .

[EpyonX3]

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Did anyone notice that?

paxxton wrote...

Is it just me or the characters in ME3 look strangely exhausted in comparison to ME2?

Could that be an effect of indoctrination? Look at Miranda and Jacob. Shepard also doesn't look well. As if they were tired of fighting even if they do not acknowledge that. Their faces are pale and old. Btw, they are all humans. Ashley is the only one who looks better than in ME2 but she's already indoctrinated.

Noticed it.. Dont have any coherent thoughts on the matter though, unfortunately. 

I would say ashley looks better because she wasn't with you on the suicide mission. Everyone else has their reason to be stressed besides the reaper attack.

Miranda is hunting her dad while running from Cerberus and Jacob is protecting Cerberus refugees and his love interest. They're on guard 24/7. Then Shepard as we all know is under the most stress of them all.

[HellishFiend]

SS2Dante wrote...

He doesn't mean it as literally as that, I think. Symbolism.

Yeah. Symbolic evidence also happens to be my favorite kind of evidence for IT. 

[paxxton]

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Side note.

We know that a dead reaper can still mess with your head, right?

What happened to the scientists that studied the remains of Sovereign? We got thannix missiles from it but no one went through the effects of being near reaper tech?

No, we got Thanix cannons from Sovereign, not missiles. And due to the way Thanix technology works, as I've pointed out, "Thanix Missiles" is a contradiction of terms. There is also no codex entry for it. One would think that a piece of tech so vital to the survival of the galaxy would have a flippin' codex entry... if it were real. 

How could that be? It would mean many more people are hallucinating or that the game is a dream.

[EpyonX3]

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Side note.

We know that a dead reaper can still mess with your head, right?

What happened to the scientists that studied the remains of Sovereign? We got thannix missiles from it but no one went through the effects of being near reaper tech?

No, we got Thanix cannons from Sovereign, not missiles. And due to the way Thanix technology works, as I've pointed out, "Thanix Missiles" is a contradiction of terms. There is also no codex entry for it. One would think that a piece of tech so vital to the survival of the galaxy would have a flippin' codex entry... if it were real. 

Sorry, Cannons then. That's very odd. Maybe it was so top secret that there's no documentation on it, although a few people seem to know what it is and how much damage they do.

I'm just wondering what prevented the people working on Sovereign from becoming mind freaked?

[paxxton]

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Did anyone notice that?

paxxton wrote...

Is it just me or the characters in ME3 look strangely exhausted in comparison to ME2?

Could that be an effect of indoctrination? Look at Miranda and Jacob. Shepard also doesn't look well. As if they were tired of fighting even if they do not acknowledge that. Their faces are pale and old. Btw, they are all humans. Ashley is the only one who looks better than in ME2 but she's already indoctrinated.

Noticed it.. Dont have any coherent thoughts on the matter though, unfortunately. 

I would say ashley looks better because she wasn't with you on the suicide mission. Everyone else has their reason to be stressed besides the reaper attack.

Miranda is hunting her dad while running from Cerberus and Jacob is protecting Cerberus refugees and his love interest. They're on guard 24/7. Then Shepard as we all know is under the most stress of them all.

But Shepard was on vacation for 6 months.

[HellishFiend]

TSA_383 wrote...

I don't still have the spectral thing I screenshotted, but basically I did this:

-Had nice filter box and nice speakers still plugged in.
-Set it to filter out everything above 20Hz at 24dB/Octave (pretty steep)
-Turned 400W amp up to full.
-Went back to ME3
-Started walking around normandy.
-Watched speaker vibrate along the floor of the room
-Got complaints from downstairs neighbour

Sweet dude! You just proved the presence of infrasonic noise on the Normandy. Good lord, that is powerfully significant!

It would take a ridiculous amount of bias to write that off as unintentional, since that frequency is inaudible and wont be reproduced by most home theater/pc setups, 99+% of the playerbase will never even know it's there, much less be able to hear it! There is no way a developer would put that in there unless it were a clue. 

[Jamie9]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Sorry, Cannons then. That's very odd. Maybe it was so top secret that there's no documentation on it, although a few people seem to know what it is and how much damage they do.

I'm just wondering what prevented the people working on Sovereign from becoming mind freaked?

The Derelict Reaper's Mass Effect core was still online. I theorise this is where the Reaper's "brain" is, and thus where indoctrination stems from. As Sovereign was blown into hundreds of pieces, the Mass Effect core was obliterated. No Mass Effect core - No indoctrination.

[Andromidius]

I'm guessing the Reaper's core is what causes Indoctrination waves. We see in ME2 on the 'dead Reaper' that the core is still active. Sovereign was blown into many pieces, so its probable that the core was destroyed and thus Sovereign actually died.

Yeah, I don't think the 'dead Reaper' is actually dead. Just crippled, maybe in a coma or paralysed state. Which is pretty horrific if you think about it, considering how long its been there. Even for them, that's a pretty nasty fate.

Edit: Pipped to the post.

Modifié par Andromidius, 07 juin 2012 - 10:21 .

[EpyonX3]

byne wrote...

What's wrong with Jacob? Poor guy...

[HellishFiend]

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

No, we got Thanix cannons from Sovereign, not missiles. And due to the way Thanix technology works, as I've pointed out, "Thanix Missiles" is a contradiction of terms. There is also no codex entry for it. One would think that a piece of tech so vital to the survival of the galaxy would have a flippin' codex entry... if it were real. 

How could that be? It would mean many more people are hallucinating or that the game is a dream.

I honestly have no idea, but it seems to be part of a larger theme within the London mission. A wrong Cain, and a wrong Thanix weapon, both used to take out a different Destroyer impeding their ability to reach the beam. 

Add that into all the other strangeness of the London sequence, and like I said, it points to a theme.