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[Turbo_J]

HellishFiend wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...


And for anyone questioning the validity of the cain anomaly HellishFiend and I were discussing way back in the 490s, go read it... I've got nothing for you. When has ME ever change the physics of a weapon or it's function for a single moment. Especially without updating the codex or making it permanent... On Rannoch they needed something for the reaper so they introduced a entirely new weapon with the necessary function. Plausibility.  Even without updating the codex... when have they messed with how a weapon operates? If the Hades needed to be taken down with something other than a cain for it to 'work' that is what BW would have composed for that portion of London. Or London really does = rushed.

Mark my words - That point in the game is key. They did not want you hanging around there poking your nose into things. If my gaming box was not down I'd record that area. I did hang around and there's some interesting 'components' to be found.

Welcome back.  And yes, I agree with the above 100%

Yeah, long day at work. Had to take the long way home because of an accident on the bridge too, but I drove the race car so it was worth it.

[HellishFiend]

Jamie9 wrote...

I don't really consider the comics as canon... so Pallin's fate isn't contradictory. I accept the novels (yes, even Deception...), but the comics seem to take away more than they add.

Just like TIM's backstory. We don't need to know that. It's part of his character. So I don't consider them canon

You have that a tad backwards. The comics are established as canon, not left up to our decision. Deception has been stricken from canon until the lore inconsistencies can be fixed and the novel re-released. 

[Arian Dynas]

Jamie9 wrote...

I don't really consider the comics as canon... so Pallin's fate isn't contradictory. I accept the novels (yes, even Deception...), but the comics seem to take away more than they add.

Just like TIM's backstory. We don't need to know that. It's part of his character. So I don't consider them canon

Welp, since Casey Hudson writes a number of them and has stated them to be so, the comic books are canon. And to be honest, they're not too bad (the recent ones anyway, though I want to shoot the artist of the last one, the one featuring Tali, GODDAMN he sucks, I could even do better than him and I define artistic mediocrity.)

[byne]

Turbo_J wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

The Cain does fly sideways at whatever the target is.

Observe this video, you'll notice that the projectile moves slightly to the left as Shepard acquires a target as it's fired.

Good find. Odd, that animation contradicts the lore from the ME3 codex as well. I believe the second Cain near the Hades Cannon reaper does fire according to the lore, though. 

I'm still inclined to think there is something symbolic here. 

Unless you fire it at the Hades.

Pick up the first and miss, the second takes on the magic guided missile proprieties and hits it's mark.

From this day forward, any cain pointed at a Reaper, will die. Until we find a cain and point it at a Reaper. At which point, we will likely die.

Interestingly, if you just shoot both Cains off to the side and dont hit the Hades cannon with either of them, a red laser kills you. It knocked me like 100 feet in the air. Was pretty awesome.

[Turbo_J]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

It also means if such sounds are in the game, that heavily hints towards attempted indoctrination of the player! Or at lest some sort of emotional manipulation...

Interesting indeed...

What about when TIM controls you and Anderson? During that part I kept thinking someting was up cause Shepard repeditively looks like he is having this massive headache, there is this weird drone like sound in the background, and at the edge of the screen it is blurry like the people shadows in the dreams.

Also don't you have to be indoctrinated for Reaper tech to control you?

He could never control US, because WE controlled him...

TIM was never controlling Shep or Anderson. Starbinger was. He even admited it if you read between the lines.

[Turbo_J]

BleedingUranium wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

It also means if such sounds are in the game, that heavily hints towards attempted indoctrination of the player! Or at lest some sort of emotional manipulation...

Interesting indeed...

What about when TIM controls you and Anderson? During that part I kept thinking someting was up cause Shepard repeditively looks like he is having this massive headache, there is this weird drone like sound in the background, and at the edge of the screen it is blurry like the people shadows in the dreams.

Also don't you have to be indoctrinated for Reaper tech to control you?

I think the control thing was added to add to the unrealness of the scene, because Miranda felt the need to bring up the control chip thing a couple times in ME3, when that was completely taken care of in ME2.

Anderson being born in London I see in a similar way, I'm just not sure what it means yet

Yep, no control chip. How can anyone control Sheps body without the mind?

[BleedingUranium]

Turbo_J wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...
On a similar note, that Thermal Pipe you get for Adams never goes anywhere either. On my first playthrough I was like "Oh, this is going to be just like the three important upgrades in ME2", especially when they described the exact situation it would be useful in...

Yeah, really hard to believe that over 2 or 3 dozen lines of cutscene were spent on something that gives you a few EMS. 

And if IT is true and you don't get the GX-12 what do you think may happen to the engineering team as they fight above Earth? What do you think may happen to the entire ship?

Get the pipe. What's a thousand credits and some random chatter to take your mind off, say, political crap or a reaper war for a bit.?

Oh don't worry, I do everything, I'm a completionist  The only two things I screwed up on this ME1-3 playthough is I didn't get the trinket from the Consort in ME1, because I didn't know about it and went to the people in the wrong order, and sided with Tali over Xen in ME3, so I didn't get the Crucible part 

[Jamie9]

HellishFiend wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

I don't really consider the comics as canon... so Pallin's fate isn't contradictory. I accept the novels (yes, even Deception...), but the comics seem to take away more than they add.

Just like TIM's backstory. We don't need to know that. It's part of his character. So I don't consider them canon

You have that a tad backwards. The comics are established as canon, not left up to our decision. Deception has been stricken from canon until the lore inconsistencies can be fixed and the novel re-released. 

Well, I meant ignoring things about Chora's Den etc.

When is that book getting re-released anyway? Are the Extended Cut and Deception v.2 real? I demand proof!

Officially, the comics are canon, yes. But they're not my canon. I've stricken them from my personal canon.

[MegumiAzusa]

prettz wrote...

ugh to many pages to read anyways have we noticed how star child filters out much of the electricity when viewed from it's body

That is because of a common fault in alpha blending, non solid objects behind the first transparent one aren't drawn.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 08 juin 2012 - 01:02 .

[prettz]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

That is because of a common fault in alpha blending, non solid objects behind the first transparent one aren't drawn.

ah, so that what going on, thanks :happy: It still looks cool. found my self taking a lot of flycam shots




note: I use a FXAA tool so it makes lights brighter and dark darker in game

Modifié par prettz, 08 juin 2012 - 01:09 .

[Unschuld]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

I don't really consider the comics as canon... so Pallin's fate isn't contradictory. I accept the novels (yes, even Deception...), but the comics seem to take away more than they add.

Just like TIM's backstory. We don't need to know that. It's part of his character. So I don't consider them canon

Welp, since Casey Hudson writes a number of them and has stated them to be so, the comic books are canon. And to be honest, they're not too bad (the recent ones anyway, though I want to shoot the artist of the last one, the one featuring Tali, GODDAMN he sucks, I could even do better than him and I define artistic mediocrity.)

The artist is fine, but he was the wrong choice for the subject matter. I've stated this before, that it's too stylized, and that he should have stuck to comics of a "comical" nature. The style didn't work for Mass Effect... at all. The guy who did the Vega comic wasn't half bad, and I really wish they just stuck with him on the rest of the series.

[Unschuld]

prettz wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

That is because of a common fault in alpha blending, non solid objects behind the first transparent one aren't drawn.

ah, so that what going on, thanks :happy: It still looks cool. found my self taking a lot of flycam shots

Wait, so... what is this now? The kid doesn't turn opaque and corporeal when the blast wave hits him now?

[dmay7]

prettz wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

That is because of a common fault in alpha blending, non solid objects behind the first transparent one aren't drawn.

ah, so that what going on, thanks :happy: It still looks cool. found my self taking a lot of flycam shots

If this ending didn't go against everything I ever stood for in Mass Effect, this would TOTALLY be my new wallpaper.

[HellishFiend]

HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Something to help ME stomach your idea a bit more, if you think this is the case and that London was basically a sonnambulist battle, what do you think happened in it's place? How did Shepard get where he did? What happened in place of the Cain hitting the Hades Cannon? Was Shepard just running around, claiming he heard orders, his squaddies beliving it and firing heavy weapons pointlessly at a Destroyer when the Fleet was really preparing to fire?

Questions we cannot answer, hence why I am reticent with any conclusions I might otherwise be inclined to discuss. It would require too much random guesswork.

The evidence points towards something, but we have no way of knowing what it's pointing to. At least not yet. We may find something. Two months ago we would have thought it preposterous to question the reality of anything prior to harby's beam. 

Well then theorize with me here! Lots of speculation! C'mon throw me a bone, give me your best guesstimate.

Alright, give me a few minutes to gather my thoughts and I'll try and come up with something. 

Ok, so near as I can figure, there are a few very general, broad, loosely defined directions that I theorize this could be headed. Keep in mind I use the word theorize quite loosely, because I would never suggest these things if you hadnt insisted. And hopefully I put enough qualifiers beforehand (can it get any more vague than general, broad, and loosely defined?). 

1) Shepard never truly woke up from the third dream, and the entirety of the events post-third dream are entirely in Shepard's head.
Key support item: Surreal oddities and inconsistencies starting at Cronos station explained
Key weakness: Would result in, essentially, a retcon of everything after the 3rd dream

2) Shepard is experiencing and engaging in the events after the third dream in somnambulate (waking dream/sleepwalking) fashion. The events are heavily influenced by the indoctrination hallucinations, but the events are otherwise taking place in some form or fashion. 
Key support item: Would sufficiently explain many oddities and inconsistencies starting at and following Cronos station
Key weakness: Would call into question a virtually unlimited amount of items

3) Shepard is knocked unconscious in London far earlier than Harby's beam, and everything following that point is a hallucination
Key support item: Would sufficiently explain lore failures and otherwise difficult to swallow similarities between events in London and past events Shepard has experienced. 
Key weakness: Even less has been done to make progress towards actually "retaking Earth" than we have been led to believe

Please dont crucify me for these, because like I said, I'm only doing it because Arian insisted...

Modifié par HellishFiend, 08 juin 2012 - 01:14 .

[dreamgazer]

You know, I think I've seen many of my favorite ME3 screen grabs amid talking with you fine folks.

That second Control grab is stunning, prettz.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 08 juin 2012 - 01:10 .

[HellishFiend]

Unschuld wrote...

Wait, so... what is this now? The kid doesn't turn opaque and corporeal when the blast wave hits him now?

I'm fairly sure he does. You can see it quite clearly in the in-game view. I think we just havent seen flycam shots from the correct moments yet...

[BleedingUranium]

Guys, which comic mentioned Arrival as being canon. I'm arguing with a literalist who refused to admit it's canon.

[Andromidius]

HellishFiend wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Something to help ME stomach your idea a bit more, if you think this is the case and that London was basically a sonnambulist battle, what do you think happened in it's place? How did Shepard get where he did? What happened in place of the Cain hitting the Hades Cannon? Was Shepard just running around, claiming he heard orders, his squaddies beliving it and firing heavy weapons pointlessly at a Destroyer when the Fleet was really preparing to fire?

Questions we cannot answer, hence why I am reticent with any conclusions I might otherwise be inclined to discuss. It would require too much random guesswork.

The evidence points towards something, but we have no way of knowing what it's pointing to. At least not yet. We may find something. Two months ago we would have thought it preposterous to question the reality of anything prior to harby's beam. 

Well then theorize with me here! Lots of speculation! C'mon throw me a bone, give me your best guesstimate.

Alright, give me a few minutes to gather my thoughts and I'll try and come up with something. 

Ok, so near as I can figure, there are a few very general, broad, loosely defined directions that I theorize this could be headed. Keep in mind I use the word theorize quite loosely, because I would never suggest these things if you hadnt insisted. And hopefully I put enough qualifiers beforehand (can it get any more vague than general, broad, and loosely defined?). 

1) Shepard never truly woke up from the third dream, and the entirety of the events post-third dream are entirely in Shepard's head.
Key support item: Surreal oddities and inconsistencies starting at Cronos station
Key weakness: Would result in, essentially, a retcon of everything after the 3rd dream

2) Shepard is experiencing and engaging in the events after the third dream in somnambulate (waking dream/sleepwalking) fashion. The events are heavily influenced by the indoctrination hallucinations, but the events are otherwise taking place in some form or fashion. 
Key support item: Would sufficiently explain many oddities and inconsistencies starting at and following Cronos station
Key weakness: Would call into question a virtually unlimited amount of items

3) Shepard is knocked unconscious in London far earlier than Harby's beam, and everything following that point is a hallucination
Key support item: Would sufficiently explain lore failures and otherwise difficult to swallow similarities between events in London and past events Shepard has experienced. 
Key weakness: Even less has been done to make progress towards actually "retaking Earth" than we have been led to believe

Please dont crucify me for these, because like I said, I'm only doing it because Arian insisted...

The second one would seem most plausible.

To account the unlimited items, they might not even exist at all and Shepard is 'just standing there' while imagining using it.  And no-one says anything about it because they are too busy with fighting Husks or assume Shepard is just thinking about what to do next.

Shakey, but hey its all hypothetical.

[GethPrimeMKII]

If it turns out the dreaming starts at Cronos station, is it possible that the dreaming doesn't end at the breath scene in London?

[HellishFiend]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

If it turns out the dreaming starts at Cronos station, is it possible that the dreaming doesn't end at the breath scene in London?

Its not beyond the realm of believability that the breath scene is a metaphor, or part of the dream, but its near the edge somewhere...

[balance5050]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Guys, which comic mentioned Arrival as being canon. I'm arguing with a literalist who refused to admit it's canon.

Oh god, don't bother with those people, if Bioware made it then it's canon period. 

[HellishFiend]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Guys, which comic mentioned Arrival as being canon. I'm arguing with a literalist who refused to admit it's canon.

Not sure on the name, but its the one with Vega. 

[GethPrimeMKII]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Guys, which comic mentioned Arrival as being canon. I'm arguing with a literalist who refused to admit it's canon.

Mass Effect Conviction. Happens days after the events of Arrival. James Vega is tasked with guarding Shepard who is held prisoner.

[BleedingUranium]

balance5050 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Guys, which comic mentioned Arrival as being canon. I'm arguing with a literalist who refused to admit it's canon.

Oh god, don't bother with those people, if Bioware made it then it's canon period. 

Lol, it's for entertainment. Also, I do want to know, because I never learned which one it was

[Andromidius]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

If it turns out the dreaming starts at Cronos station, is it possible that the dreaming doesn't end at the breath scene in London?

Sort of like when you're dreaming, and suddenly feel like you're falling before you jolt awake?

Interesting idea.  Nothing to prove it yet, but interesting anyway.