Makrys wrote...
Am I the only one that thinks this was possibly deleted because it would have made the ending TOO obvious as a dream? I mean, if you clearly see your teammates killed by Harby, and then later see them step out of the beam, sirens would be going off everywhere. I wonder if they originally intended this as a clue, and then deemed it too obvious, so removed it. Curious.
No, I'm going to +1 this- in fact, I almost wrote this very comment last night, but couldn't phrase it right. But yes, I think they were planning to put it in as a clue for IT, but then took it out because it would make it 'too obvious'.
paxxton wrote...
OK, so who liked the Mass Effect 3 ending the first time you saw it? I did.
I have to be honest: I played the ending about a month after the MASSIVE internet sh!tstorm about the ending. I mean, it was kind of crazy, it seemed like everyone and their dog was FURIOUS about the ending, like the ending had killed thier parents and slept with their partners the day before their weddings. So basically, it unreasonably hyped my expectations for how bad the ending would be. I literally had one friend say: "I prepared myself for the worst, and it was even worse than that."
So, worse than the worst you could imagine? So I had to imagine even worse than that to prepare myself. So, my three nightmare scenarios were:
1. Shepard would, like, look up at the camera, in the game, and start addressing me, the player, like I was a real person, and tell me I was playing a game, and that none of this was real, and that the Reaper threat didn't exist, so I didn't need to fight them, I could just 'imagine' them away, a la The Neverending Story.
2. [and I apologise for writing this- mods please advise if you'd like me to delete this line] That Shepard would have to molest the starchild to win the game. Like, a quicktime event would say: "Press X to molest!" and you couldn't proceed without pressing X [seriously, I say this tounge-in-cheek, but that is how badly some people were describing the ending]
3. That you'd get to Earth and it would say: "To be continued..." [which I gather some people would have preferred to the ending we got]
So, when I actually got to the ending, I was prepared for the worst, and was... pleasantly surprised? What I was worried about was that the endings would break the universe of the game. Now, even if you don't believe IT, the endings do not break the universe. They are extremely odd and disappointing, but they live within the universe of the game, and that's all I was after. I actually thought the 'Terminator-baby' at the end of ME2 was worse. But still, I was oddly discomfited by some of the decisions, and had a feeling that something 'wasn't quite right'- especially the magical bodyswapping gunshot wound and the 'crash of the Normandy'. And I certainly thought, right off the bat, that starchild was lying, was a Reaper, and that I had to Destroy. So I did choose destroy, and I got the breath scene, and I instantly thought: "That's in London."
So I was sort-of okay with the ending, even if it seemed clearly incomplete- I certainly didn't think it deserved the retake movement and all the broughaha that came along with it- I felt like ME3 was one of the greatest games I'd ever played, and if the last 5 mins were weaker than the first 40 hours, so be it. The next day I watched the first 'Indoctrination Theory' video (the 20 minute one) and... everything clicked. It felt like someone had done a judo flip on my brain. It just made SO MUCH SENSE. And as I looked deeper and deeper with the help of all the good people in this thread, it just seemed more and more obvious, until it got to the point where I realized I could no longer take the literal explanation seriously. I went to dinner with a friend the other night and he started talking as though the last sequence actually happened, and I just... I couldn't proceed with the conversation. It was like he was suggesting we take an expedition to the arctic to find Santa Claus- we were both operating in different universes. The only reason not to believe in IT is if you have not examined all of the evidence- that's not a judgment, it's fine not to believe, but that's my opinion- there is no way to absorb all of the evidence gathered in this thread and still believe the ending should be taken literally. I just can't do it.
Ctoagu wrote...
Kinda crazy though; I almost didn't want to believe in IT, because I made the wrong choice and such.
Very good of you to be open enough to change your mind about this. I mean it- I actually think there is a portion of literalists who made the control or synthesis choice, and rather than admit they may have made the wrong choice, they just dig their heels in to defend their decision. I have a mate (same guy, above, who I had dinner with) who chose synthesis because he thought the Joker/EDI storyline was thematically directing him to do so, and now he simply cannot let go of that decision, no matter how much evidence is presented, he will
always believe Synthesis was the correct choice- because it's easier than admitting he might have made the wrong choice. I think a lot of literalists may refuse to even look at the evidence for IT, for this reason.
GethPrimeMKII wrote...
Did anyone feel it odd and out of place to be able to conveniently reach and converse, via hologram, with all of the ME2 squad mates in Priority:Earth?
Yes, but I don't see this as evidence for IT. The game makes you do a lot of odd things, because it's a game. It's odd that you can only ever take two squad members with you, even on missions where having more firepower would help. It's odd that both teammates can die repeatedly in a battle and then just get up once the battle is over. The fact is, I
loved the 'final goodbyes' on Earth, and I would be really disappointed if they had never happened. They felt real to me. That was the real ending of the game, and it was the ending we were promised- where all our decisions and relationships finally played out. I didn't mind them 'bending the rules' a bit so that I could talk to my friends. It was necessary.
HellishFiend wrote...
GethPrimeMKII wrote...
If it turns out the dreaming starts at Cronos station, is it possible that the dreaming doesn't end at the breath scene in London?
Its not beyond the realm of believability that the breath scene is a metaphor, or part of the dream, but its near the edge somewhere...
True, but the breath scene was really the first major clue for IT, and I think it clearly points to London, not Cronos.
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But then again, I do have an exorbitant amount of free time that I've chosen to dedicate towards this.
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