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[dmay7]

Unschuld wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

That's because of pareidolia. You're seeing things because your mind is trying to match up lines. Yes, I specifically resized both images to match up the lines that were there in order to be as objective as possible, but there are still some inconsistencies with them. I also viewed the video several times with the contrast as high as possible to see if I could reproduce the image. It's not there.

You must not have read my post on video encoding and decoding like I asked you to. Turbo confirmed that she can not use any other lower quality video to see the same thing she does in her video because of fidelity loss. 

And you're really going to annoy me if you keep throwing that word "pareidolia" around. Just because you've find a nice big word with a definition that fits what you think is going on here doesnt make you right. 

Why not? It's the proper word to describe the phenomena and takes up much less space than seeing-objects-in-places-where-they-do-not-exist-because-of-the-way-the-mind-works. It's not just a term I plucked from the internet, either, but something I've studied about in psychology courses. It fits, and I'll use it.

I did read your post, but the image being supplied as evidence is at a much lower quality than the video I'm currently viewing (on my hard drive, not youtube), so I really don't see this holding much ground. It's not even the image from the video that's supposedly being viewed, so I'm even less inclined. The image I see in my video is smoke. If it were a solid object, like a large building in the distance, the lines of the image would not distort and shift as the camera pans. It would stay solid enough that you could see the lines through the smoke obscuring it. This image does not.


Believe me, I'd like to be proven wrong, but so far I'm not convinced.

We know your position. Nothing is concrete. We are speculating.

According to TheFreeDictionary:
spec·u·la·tion  (spky-lshn)n.1. a. Contemplation or consideration of a subject; meditation.b. A conclusion, opinion, or theory reached by conjecture.c. Reasoning based on inconclusive evidence; conjecture or supposition.

[Riot86]

Just finished "Priority: Earth" and noticed some strange things aboard the Citadel (obviously )...hope they haven't been brought up before though

One of the strongest major evidence for IT is in my eyes, that the Citadel contains certain elements from Shepard's memory (Collector Base/Ship, Shadowbroker Ship, 1M1 Antenna), hinting at the whole scene being a Reaper induced hallucination in Shepard's head. The concept, that a organic might experience a synthetic's "world" as something he has seen before was implied in the Geth Consensus.

So, while walking through the Citadel I spotted two parts that somehow seemed familiar to me. Both can be found while standing on the bridge right after the corridor with all those corpses.


The first can be seen, if you look back to where you came from.



To me, this part looks a lot like the huge Satellite dish in the "Overlord"-DLC. Just take a look.

Lower part:


Upper part:


In my eyes, there are several clear similarities:

- The circular shape
- Doors around the whole structure
- Huge metal beams/catwalks sticking out under those doors
- The structure getting wider towards its top.


The second one is the ramp leading up to Anderson.



I've read somewhere in this thread, that this part strongly resembles the way up to the C-Sec Traffic Control Room. And I agree with that.

But to me it also bears a strong resemblance to he ramp leading up to TIM's office on Cronos Station.



On my playthrough, I actually did get the impression, that there weren't many large ramps like that in Mass Effect 3. My reaction upon seeing it in Cronos Station was actually "Oh, this is new. Something big must be up ahead". Hence I thought it was strange to suddently use a similar ramp again in the very next mission.

But that is not the reason, why I thought the ramp on the Citadel reminded me strongly of Cronos Station. It were in fact these things:

- Both ramps lead up to a room with a console Shepard needs to access
- Both of these rooms have a perfect view to a celestial body
- The Illusive Man "enters" both rooms behind Shepard
- TIM's Office has a round holopad on the ground, the Citadel Control Room has a round shape and looks in fact a bit like a giant holopad

But there is more. If you look at the picture of the ramp on Cronos Station again, you'll see, that the wall is smooth and seems to be composed of metal plates. But on both sides there seems to be a gap, which goes up diagonally and reveals what lies underneath the metal. The angle in which the gap ascends is identical to the ramps'.

On the Citadel, you'll also find a flat, metalic wall on either side of the ramp. And again, there seems to be a gap, revealing what's underneath the metal plates. And again, this gap runs diagonally upwards in the same angle as the ramp itself.



Not only do the two ramps look similar. But also that what happens after  the ramp is almost identic. Combine that with all the other familiar things aboard the Citadel and I think we can see some kind of pattern here



So, what do you think? Are these actually some suspicious similarites or am I just seeing things, because I want to see them?

If have also some thoughts on the idea that ALL of "Priority: Earth" was an hallucination. I will share them tomorrow when I'll have more time if you're interested.

Oh, and I hope I didn't bore with this rather long post

Modifié par Riot86, 08 juin 2012 - 02:55 .

[Turbo_J]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

I can see it now too, barely.

Where is this shot taken from, and when?

Right at the very beginning of the scene just above where some people think the Mako wheel is. It comes into view again at about the half way mark.

Yeah that certainly looks like a Mako wheel, but it could also be other things as well. Most of the breath scene speculation still has yet to get any solid evidence other than shepard breathes. What I felt that was quite weird that BioWare did was have the gun change after the shock wave in the destruction choice. They have had errors in the past in ME3 such as the Executor Pallin error. http://masseffect.wi...Executor_Pallin They have had plenty of time to work on the scene to not mess up that detail. Also the fact that the carnifex reloads like a predator is strange too.

There is also another aspect about thi I feel everyone has missed and not yet explained. The Beings of Light Theory. (For evidence here is the video and codex)

video

codex http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Klencory

To me it seems to have a lot of weak points but it also has some pretty interesting ones too. It would also provide EA and BioWare a way to make a ME4 and explain what motive the Reapers have. To make an army to combat a greater enemy could be plausible except for the fact that no other evidence has been shown to prove this. My opinion is that the beings of light could be a creation by an ancient race in previous cycles to combat the Reapers.

Just putting it out for discussion here guys. Also even if you don't believe in the BOL theory listen to the video on the audio quotes from Haringer about the races. Found it quite interesting.

You missed the first post of the clock evidently, but not sure you were really interested in the post - just it's use as a jump point... there is no mako wheel. What is highlighted is the clock face of Big Ben.

The Beings of light theory is Reaper lore - a Trolling by the Reapers themselves to lend credence to the lies Starbinger tells Shep before the 'choices' are handed out.

Think: Viewing Reapers with superstitious awe... Don't be fooled.

[MegumiAzusa]

Uhm some people here don't seem to know how fog works, it dissolves the light and shadow and distributes them uniformly so you can't make out silhouettes after a certain distance. We even have trouble to identify stuff that is near the camera and not completely fogged and you seriously believe you could see a building a few hundred meters away? For example cars have special fog lamps because without in a fog like that it would be invisible until it nearly hits you.

[HellishFiend]

Riot86 wrote...

Just finished "Priority: Earth" and noticed some strange things aboard the Citadel 

j/k

Excellent post!  I'm fairly sure the similarities to overlord are a first-time find, and you raise several new points about the comparison to Cronos station.

Great work!

[dmay7]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Uhm some people here don't seem to know how fog works, it dissolves the light and shadow and distributes them uniformly so you can't make out silhouettes after a certain distance. We even have trouble to identify stuff that is near the camera and not completely fogged and you seriously believe you could see a building a few hundred meters away? For example cars have special fog lamps because without in a fog like that it would be invisible until it nearly hits you.

Lol, I love how people are comparing to the fog in the scene to real fog, and forget to realize that the fog in the video is digitally created in every single sense, every single pattern, shape, and shadow was created by a digital artist.

[UrgentArchengel]

Hopefully we hear something about this next month. Just to say, confirmation or more proof may be available next month.

[Unschuld]

dmay7 wrote...

We know your position. Nothing is concrete. We are speculating.

According to TheFreeDictionary:
spec·u·la·tion  (spky-lshn)n.1. a. Contemplation or consideration of a subject; meditation.b. A conclusion, opinion, or theory reached by conjecture.c. Reasoning based on inconclusive evidence; conjecture or supposition.

And that's fine, speculate away. I'm just letting you know that it will be viewed as weak. That's the other side of healthy speculation, which is calling into question every piece of evidence and weighing its validity. If we were all patting each other on the back and agreeing with every bit of "evidence" that was found, we'd have a few good things and mountain of crap on top of it.

[Turbo_J]

HellishFiend wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

Just finished "Priority: Earth" and noticed some strange things aboard the Citadel 

j/k

Excellent post!  I'm fairly sure the similarities to overlord are a first-time find, and you raise several new points about the comparison to Cronos station.

Great work!

Agreed.

Also, remember Sheps odd pause and facial expression - for no reason what-so-ever - when (s)he walked onto the QEC dias at Cronos.

[HellishFiend]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Uhm some people here don't seem to know how fog works, it dissolves the light and shadow and distributes them uniformly so you can't make out silhouettes after a certain distance. We even have trouble to identify stuff that is near the camera and not completely fogged and you seriously believe you could see a building a few hundred meters away? For example cars have special fog lamps because without in a fog like that it would be invisible until it nearly hits you.

Really? I got the fog lamps on my car because I thought they looked cool.   /onlypartiallyjoking

[HellishFiend]

Unschuld wrote...

And that's fine, speculate away. I'm just letting you know that it will be viewed as weak. That's the other side of healthy speculation, which is calling into question every piece of evidence and weighing its validity. If we were all patting each other on the back and agreeing with every bit of "evidence" that was found, we'd have a few good things and mountain of crap on top of it.

If you pay attention at all to my posts you know that I dont do that, nor does anyone else here, to my knowledge. People like that are long since gone. 

[HellishFiend]

Turbo_J wrote...


Also, remember Sheps odd pause and facial expression - for no reason what-so-ever - when (s)he walked onto the QEC dias at Cronos.

Have to disagree with you on that one. I think it's fairly clear that he pauses there because he's standing in the same spot where his hologram would be standing any time he would converse with TIM during ME2, which was quite frequently. It's a pretty meaningful moment for him. 

[TJBartlemus]

Turbo_J wrote...

You missed the first post of the clock evidently, but not sure you were really interested in the post - just it's use as a jump point... there is no mako wheel. What is highlighted is the clock face of Big Ben.

The Beings of light theory is Reaper lore - a Trolling by the Reapers themselves to lend credence to the lies Starbinger tells Shep before the 'choices' are handed out.

Think: Viewing Reapers with superstitious awe... Don't be fooled.

Oh, well the fact it looked like a Mako wheel is just my opinion, and it has no semblence to the clock. I can believe that the Reapers were the ones to tell the guy about the beings of light but why wouldn't they just lie straight up to shepard's face and say that during the crucible instead of a chance of seeing a codex article about it?

[MegumiAzusa]

dmay7 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Uhm some people here don't seem to know how fog works, it dissolves the light and shadow and distributes them uniformly so you can't make out silhouettes after a certain distance. We even have trouble to identify stuff that is near the camera and not completely fogged and you seriously believe you could see a building a few hundred meters away? For example cars have special fog lamps because without in a fog like that it would be invisible until it nearly hits you.

Lol, I love how people are comparing to the fog in the scene to real fog, and forget to realize that the fog in the video is digitally created in every single sense, every single pattern, shape, and shadow was created by a digital artist.

Uhm no, you set up a particle emitter and it uses random values to distribute these particles and make each unique. Manually setting up all of that... have fun for a month or more.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 08 juin 2012 - 03:05 .

[Unschuld]

dmay7 wrote...
Lol, I love how people are comparing to the fog in the scene to real fog, and forget to realize that the fog in the video is digitally created in every single sense, every single pattern, shape, and shadow was created by a digital artist.

Really don't know how to respond to this other than 

 

[Bill Casey]

Turbo_J wrote...

Ok, someone with eyes, please... Ignore the red lines. I did not add them. Someone else took this screenshot and it is an absolute fluke because it is the first time you can see the clock face and it's near impossible to catch because it is one or two frames and is obscured by moving fog...

Remember, the clock is on an angle in the pic... the building (not really viewable) is leaning to the left and the face is on a 35-40 5-10 degree angle, also facing towards the left. The time reads 1:30 based on the hand position and building angle.



Please - look for the face... the dials, the dots that mark there numbers would be if it were not Big Ben...

It's quite clearly cross eyed ghost hitler...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 08 juin 2012 - 03:04 .

[MegumiAzusa]

Turbo_J wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

Just finished "Priority: Earth" and noticed some strange things aboard the Citadel 

j/k

Excellent post!  I'm fairly sure the similarities to overlord are a first-time find, and you raise several new points about the comparison to Cronos station.

Great work!

Agreed.

Also, remember Sheps odd pause and facial expression - for no reason what-so-ever - when (s)he walked onto the QEC dias at Cronos.

Why? For me it looked just like Shep remembering how often she was in that position reporting to TIM during ME2.

[BleedingUranium]

HellishFiend wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...


Also, remember Sheps odd pause and facial expression - for no reason what-so-ever - when (s)he walked onto the QEC dias at Cronos.

Have to disagree with you on that one. I think it's fairly clear that he pauses there because he's standing in the same spot where his hologram would be standing any time he would converse with TIM during ME2, which was quite frequently. It's a pretty meaningful moment for him. 

'd

[HellishFiend]

Unschuld wrote...

dmay7 wrote...
Lol, I love how people are comparing to the fog in the scene to real fog, and forget to realize that the fog in the video is digitally created in every single sense, every single pattern, shape, and shadow was created by a digital artist.

Really don't know how to respond to this other than 

*snip* 

*facepalm*

I'm going to have to quote the annoyed salarian on sur'kesh:

Really! You must stop touching that!

Seriously, can we move on past the "debating whether or not something is debatable" conversation? It's been going on for 2 pages now. 

[Turbo_J]

Unschuld wrote...

dmay7 wrote...

We know your position. Nothing is concrete. We are speculating.

According to TheFreeDictionary:
spec·u·la·tion  (spky-lshn)n.1. a. Contemplation or consideration of a subject; meditation.b. A conclusion, opinion, or theory reached by conjecture.c. Reasoning based on inconclusive evidence; conjecture or supposition.

And that's fine, speculate away. I'm just letting you know that it will be viewed as weak. That's the other side of healthy speculation, which is calling into question every piece of evidence and weighing its validity. If we were all patting each other on the back and agreeing with every bit of "evidence" that was found, we'd have a few good things and mountain of crap on top of it.

We have nothing but time to waste until the EC is released. Why do you care how we do it? What does how we are perceived have anything to do with you? Why does it bother you at all? If your intent is to somehow make us more productive, you are failing by argue about everything discussed. Your contribution is nothing more than diversion. We don't need it.

Modifié par Turbo_J, 08 juin 2012 - 03:07 .

[Electra77]

HellishFiend wrote...

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Yes, that is correct. The fact that Shepard survives Harbinger's beam at all is a contextual inconsistency, and has several well-established contradictory precedents. That boils down to, in plain English, that could not have happened in reality unless Harbinger specifically wants Shepard alive. 

We went through all this effort to control you, and now we are only giving you the choice to destroy us (aka escape indoctrination). That seems odd to me. 

That is only partially true. If you imported an ME2 save where you kept the collector base, and then proceed to have a low EMS outcome, you will be offered only the Control ending. That fact bears many implications, which are also a point of contention. I'll let you think about it, and let me know if you have any further questions on the subject. 

How fast or slow does indoctrination work? I'll have to go back, but I thought the Illusive Man's eyes were always that way. If they were that way in ME2, was he indoctrinated then? On the eye theory, were Matriarch Benezia's eye's cybernetic blue? I can't recall. 

TIM got his "indoctrinated eyes" from indirect contact with a powerful Reaper indoctrination device in the very first Mass Effect comic.  

According to the codex, "Rapid indoctrination is possible, but causes mental decay in days or weeks. Slow, patient indoctrination enables the thrall to last for months or years". There are numerous points of contention regarding the indoctrination of both TIM and Shepard, with regard to the progression of their indoctrination.

What are the well-established contradictory precedents?  And can Harbinger set his beams to stun (his I guess is a silly question since anything is possible)?

On control option, so if you side with TIM and save the Collector base, is that implying you succumb to indoctrination earlier and so only getting control in ME3 is just a formality?

So, if TIM is indoctrinated in ME2, why is he pursuing a course against the collectors?  Have reapers just gotten tired of their enslaved quasi-protheans?  And why specifically tell Miranda not to implant a control chip in Shepard's head? 

[Ctoagu]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Agreed.

Also, remember Sheps odd pause and facial expression - for no reason what-so-ever - when (s)he walked onto the QEC dias at Cronos.

Why? For me it looked just like Shep remembering how often she was in that position reporting to TIM during ME2.

I saw it the same way too. Hell, when Shep stood there, even I felt a sense of "So I'm finally standing here in the flesh, after all of this time." I'm sure we were all wondering where TIM's base was in ME2, and that scene in ME3 was there to make us realize that we were finally there.

[HellishFiend]

Turbo_J wrote...

We have nothing but time to waste until the EC is released. Why do you care how we do it? What does how we are perceived have anything to do with you? Why does it bother you at all? If your intent is to somehow make us more productive, you are failing by argue about everything discussed. Your contribution is nothing more than diversion. We don't need it.

Thank you, that is a very well worded way of making the point I've been trying to make. 

[Unschuld]

HellishFiend wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

And that's fine, speculate away. I'm just letting you know that it will be viewed as weak. That's the other side of healthy speculation, which is calling into question every piece of evidence and weighing its validity. If we were all patting each other on the back and agreeing with every bit of "evidence" that was found, we'd have a few good things and mountain of crap on top of it.

If you pay attention at all to my posts you know that I dont do that, nor does anyone else here, to my knowledge. People like that are long since gone. 

And unless we keep questioning things objectively, we run the risk of devolving back into that. Everyone is capable of putting forth bad theories, everyone here including myself. Even if the theory seems good at first, or if the poster has genuine intentions. Lulling ourselves into a state of complacency because "all 'those people' are gone" is a dangerous proposition.

[MegumiAzusa]

Ctoagu wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Agreed.

Also, remember Sheps odd pause and facial expression - for no reason what-so-ever - when (s)he walked onto the QEC dias at Cronos.

Why? For me it looked just like Shep remembering how often she was in that position reporting to TIM during ME2.

I saw it the same way too. Hell, when Shep stood there, even I felt a sense of "So I'm finally standing here in the flesh, after all of this time." I'm sure we were all wondering where TIM's base was in ME2, and that scene in ME3 was there to make us realize that we were finally there.

Yupp, though it was a bit offsetting they didn't use the holo room from ME2 but made everything out of glass and added a ceiling.