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[dmay7]

Sorry guys, dlc has been leaked...here is the new ending.

[Electra77]

Arian Dynas wrote...

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Salient Archer wrote...

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But, I look at this way; if Shepard made the immoral choice of retaining a technology that is that perverse and than decides to freely handed it over to the most sinister man in the whole galaxy, it’s pretty clear that Shepard’s resolve to destroy the Reapers has started to wane.
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When in war if you captured superior technology from the enemy intact, would you choose to just destroy it?  And why would not destroying it be immoral?  Granted you may not want that in TIM's hands, but why wouldn't every leg up you could get against an otherwise overwhelming threat outweigh TIM getting his hands on it?  You couldn't radio this in to the Alliance and the Council as well?

[dreamgazer]

Arian Dynas wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Let me start:

The codex entry for indoctrination mentions "oily shadows". Do you see any oily shadows in the game?

Let's see... 10 clues eh?

1. Notice the boy. Doesn't he act a bit strange for a boy of 9?

2. Where is Harbinger?

3. Hmm, what's wrong with that gun? Try reloading it.

4. Did you see something behind you in the Collector hall? Turn around and look.

5. The Illusive Man isn't acting quite like himself, is he? I wonder why. And who is Anderson talking to?

6. The Illusive Man was really in favor of Control. Who supported Synthesis?

7. The Citadel looks really familiar, doesn't it?

8. I wonder what the significance of those dreams are. Why is there whispering? What are those shadows?

9. Shepard's eyes look strange in the Control and Synthesis endings. Maybe you should look a bit closer.

10. There are alot of bodies along the beam run. I wonder who they belong to.

byne wrote...

I'd say:

Anderson represents destroy, TIM represents control, can you think of anyone who represents synthesis?

Maybe with a follow up of:

If you thought of someone like that, are they similar to either Anderson or TIM in some way?

Edit: Ninja'd by Arian! *shakes fist*

Dwailing wrote...

How about this,

Most airvents seem to make a lot of noise when people crawl around inside them. Can you think of any times where this isn't the case?

What else? Folks agree or disagree with these, specific ones in particular?

[Dwailing]

@Arian and others: Thirded!

[HellishFiend]

lex0r11 wrote...

*feels he failed to help a fellow*



*punishes himself with a 5 mile run while listening to this on a loop*

youtu.be/q4pqgBw_exw

You're being harsh on yourself, but thanks for the sentiments. 

[dreamgazer]

dmay7 wrote...

Sorry guys, dlc has been leaked...here is the new ending.

Even better: a senior designer at BioWare tweeted this bundle of joy out.  Talk about your choices from ME2 mattering.

[Arian Dynas]

Electra77 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

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Also if they are trying to indoctrinate him, why kill him? I am sure if they are trying to indoctrinate him Harbinger I am sure would not approve of killing him. Now if to them it is a win win situation, sheperd dies/ shepard is husk, that would make sense.

And why at the end are they even trying to indoctrinate him anymore? The fleet are here and the crucible is on the way. It's not like they can stop him from uniting the galaxy anymore. And it doesn't even need to be shepard to open the citadel. Anyone could do it.

I don't think he can be a husk wuthout the nanites based on the Santuary explanation.  Unless the reaper beam is also an aerosol spray of husk creating nanites.

Anyone could do it?  I'm not sure about that.  What does the crucible even do?  And who came up with the idea?  The protheans said it wasn't them.  And we know that the reapers created the citadel and the mass relays.  How do we know that they didn't also create the original plans for the crucible that everyone is building on?  If they fear its use, why bring the citadel to Earth?  Why not send it to the other side of a relay the galaxy had not yet tested out?

The citadel going to Earth where reapers knew what the opposition's plans were would seem to support the indoctrination theory.

*sigh* time to take you under my wing it seems.

Time for a wall of text, most-like.

You are misunderstanding the significance of the beam. There are no nanites in Shepard's system (despite what some would have you belive) and we do not claim there to be any. The indoctrinated eyes are symbolic. Not everyone who is indoctrinated has implant eyes, but every person with implant eyes is indoctrinated. They are a symbolic representation of Shepard giving in. The beam is significant not because it's an indoctrination beam, but because Shepard, whom is already exhibiting symptoms of indoctrination and is currently fending off the process (such as there being a difference between being sick and coming down with something.) is struck with the beam (or according to some interpretations, which we are still figuring out the specifics of is caught in the shuttle crash at the very beginning of The Return) and injured to a severe enough point that his willpower, his will to live and his mental capability are severely compromised by his wounds, as a result Harbinger worms his way into Shepard's mind, the last reistance gone, forcing Shepard into a coma, in which he fights a hallucinatory battle with himself and with Harbinger.


It is entirely possible, hence my own theory that the Crucible has a built in "safety" making it incapable of firing without a necessary component, the idea being that the forces of the cycle will waste time and manpower building it, only to find the Crucible to be a wild goose chase.

[byne]

HellishFiend wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

*feels he failed to help a fellow*



*punishes himself with a 5 mile run while listening to this on a loop*

youtu.be/q4pqgBw_exw

You're being harsh on yourself, but thanks for the sentiments. 

If he was really being harsh on himself, he'd listen to that Crazy Bus* song I talked about earlier.





*I take no responsibility for losses in hearing and/or sanity that may result from clicking on this link.

[Dwailing]

I just had a thought on the topic of airvents. Has anyone tried using the flycam to more closely examine the kid's vent? I was just thinking there might be something in there that might be speculation worthy.

[HellishFiend]

Electra77 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

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Salient Archer wrote...

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But, I look at this way; if Shepard made the immoral choice of retaining a technology that is that perverse and than decides to freely handed it over to the most sinister man in the whole galaxy, it’s pretty clear that Shepard’s resolve to destroy the Reapers has started to wane.
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When in war if you captured superior technology from the enemy intact, would you choose to just destroy it?  And why would not destroying it be immoral?  Granted you may not want that in TIM's hands, but why wouldn't every leg up you could get against an otherwise overwhelming threat outweigh TIM getting his hands on it?  You couldn't radio this in to the Alliance and the Council as well?

I disagree with Salient Archer's line of reasoning on that aspect as well. I believe it is because choosing to save the collector base shows that you are the type to want to capitalize on any kind of opportunity you might be presented with, regardless of the implications. 

In ME2, the implications were that you would be exploiting the graveyard of millions of humans in an attempt to gain an edge against the Reapers.

In ME3, those implications translate over to the assumption that your personality would lead to you choose the face-value of the control option, which would be that you would exploit essentially the graveyards of countless numbers of organics from previous cycles to fulfill whatever motives you may have. 

In my case, the assumption was correct, because while I had access to all 3 choices, I chose control on my first playthrough. I had also saved the collector base. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 08 juin 2012 - 04:26 .

[Arian Dynas]

Electra77 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

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Salient Archer wrote...

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But, I look at this way; if Shepard made the immoral choice of retaining a technology that is that perverse and than decides to freely handed it over to the most sinister man in the whole galaxy, it’s pretty clear that Shepard’s resolve to destroy the Reapers has started to wane.
...

When in war if you captured superior technology from the enemy intact, would you choose to just destroy it?  And why would not destroying it be immoral?  Granted you may not want that in TIM's hands, but why wouldn't every leg up you could get against an otherwise overwhelming threat outweigh TIM getting his hands on it?  You couldn't radio this in to the Alliance and the Council as well?

Because as we have seen, Reaper technology, by it's very nature is deleterious, even standing in it's presence can begin the indoctrination process, no good could come of it, look at what happened to Kar-Shan, they studied the Leviathan of Dis and the whole planet fell because of it. The ends do NOT justify the means.

[byne]

dreamgazer wrote...

dmay7 wrote...

Sorry guys, dlc has been leaked...here is the new ending.

Even better: a senior designer at BioWare tweeted this bundle of joy out.  Talk about your choices from ME2 mattering.

So, even though the designer clearly tweeted it as a joke, would you actually be happy if that was included in the EC?

I know I wouldnt. I love the Biotic God and all, but:

A) Its too silly, even as fanservice
The Biotic God isnt even actually a biotic

[Arian Dynas]

HellishFiend wrote...

Electra77 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

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Salient Archer wrote...

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But, I look at this way; if Shepard made the immoral choice of retaining a technology that is that perverse and than decides to freely handed it over to the most sinister man in the whole galaxy, it’s pretty clear that Shepard’s resolve to destroy the Reapers has started to wane.
...

When in war if you captured superior technology from the enemy intact, would you choose to just destroy it?  And why would not destroying it be immoral?  Granted you may not want that in TIM's hands, but why wouldn't every leg up you could get against an otherwise overwhelming threat outweigh TIM getting his hands on it?  You couldn't radio this in to the Alliance and the Council as well?

I disagree with Salient Archer's line of reasoning on that aspect as well. I believe it is because choosing to save the collector base shows that you are the type to want to capitalize on any kind of opportunity you might be presented with, regardless of the implications. 

In ME2, the implications were that you would be exploiting the graveyard of millions of humans in an attempt to gain an edge against the Reapers.

In ME3, those implications translate over to the assumption that your personality would lead to you choose the face-value of the control option, which would be that you would exploit essentially the graveyards of countless numbers of organics from previous cycles to fulfill whatever motives you may have. 

In my case, the assumption was correct, because while I had access to all 3 choices, I chose control on my first playthrough. I had also saved the collector base. 

For the record, I'm the one who sugguested that interpretation to Salient. 

[HellishFiend]

Arian Dynas wrote...

*sigh* 

Bad Arian! No sighing at the new posters! Sigh at me, if you must, but not new posters. We could use more fresh minds in this topic. 

[HellishFiend]

Arian Dynas wrote...

For the record, I'm the one who sugguested that interpretation to Salient. 

I disagree! 

[dreamgazer]

byne wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

dmay7 wrote...

Sorry guys, dlc has been leaked...here is the new ending.

Even better: a senior designer at BioWare tweeted this bundle of joy out.  Talk about your choices from ME2 mattering.

So, even though the designer clearly tweeted it as a joke, would you actually be happy if that was included in the EC?

I know I wouldnt. I love the Biotic God and all, but:

A) Its too silly, even as fanservice
The Biotic God isnt even actually a biotic

No, it's silly.  I love it, but it's silly.

[HellishFiend]

dreamgazer wrote...

dmay7 wrote...

Sorry guys, dlc has been leaked...here is the new ending.

Even better: a senior designer at BioWare tweeted this bundle of joy out.  Talk about your choices from ME2 mattering.

Wait, so does encouraging the Biotic god yield this result? Or saving him from getting slapped around by that Asari by discouraging him?  

He clearly has an EMS of over 9000, so I'd hate to lose out on that. 

[MegumiAzusa]

BleedingUranium wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

*snip*
This
*snip*

What am I seeing?

A frame of the vision Javik gives you on Eden Prime the first time he touches you. Right after that frame.

It's a Prothean, possibly Javik, looking at a Destroyer landing. I'm not getting what it means.

ok the complete set would be (in that order, ignore the file names):
http://www.thundermo...ith/ME3/jvk.jpg
http://www.thundermo...th/ME3/reap.jpg
http://www.thundermo...h/ME3/reap2.jpg
http://www.thundermo...h/ME3/reap1.jpg
Notice the outward distortion even Javiks image has.
Now a bit later you get one frame of the Collectors:
http://www.thundermo...h/ME3/clctr.jpg
(followed by another frame where the distortion is extreme)
and one of the last frames, second last time we see Javik:
http://www.thundermo...th/ME3/jvk1.jpg

We can only theorize about the meaning of this effect, but it has a meaning otherwise BW wouldn't have done it in a movie where every 2 frames the scene switches to another.

[HellishFiend]

Dwailing wrote...

I just had a thought on the topic of airvents. Has anyone tried using the flycam to more closely examine the kid's vent? I was just thinking there might be something in there that might be speculation worthy.

It's been done, yes. It's a dead end around that corner. Nothing special. 

[dreamgazer]

HellishFiend wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

dmay7 wrote...

Sorry guys, dlc has been leaked...here is the new ending.

Even better: a senior designer at BioWare tweeted this bundle of joy out.  Talk about your choices from ME2 mattering.

Wait, so does encouraging the Biotic god yield this result? Or saving him from getting slapped around by that Asari by discouraging him?  

He clearly has an EMS of over 9000, so I'd hate to lose out on that. 

Maybe.  I was just joshing.  

Actually, for some reason, I thought I remembered the damage done in the Renegade version of Mr. Biotic God's scene being a little more significant. 

Modifié par dreamgazer, 08 juin 2012 - 04:34 .

[gunslinger_ruiz]

dreamgazer wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Let me start:

The codex entry for indoctrination mentions "oily shadows". Do you see any oily shadows in the game?

Let's see... 10 clues eh?

1. Notice the boy. Doesn't he act a bit strange for a boy of 9?

2. Where is Harbinger?

3. Hmm, what's wrong with that gun? Try reloading it.

4. Did you see something behind you in the Collector hall? Turn around and look.

5. The Illusive Man isn't acting quite like himself, is he? I wonder why. And who is Anderson talking to?

6. The Illusive Man was really in favor of Control. Who supported Synthesis?

7. The Citadel looks really familiar, doesn't it?

8. I wonder what the significance of those dreams are. Why is there whispering? What are those shadows?

9. Shepard's eyes look strange in the Control and Synthesis endings. Maybe you should look a bit closer.

10. There are alot of bodies along the beam run. I wonder who they belong to.

byne wrote...

I'd say:

Anderson represents destroy, TIM represents control, can you think of anyone who represents synthesis?

Maybe with a follow up of:

If you thought of someone like that, are they similar to either Anderson or TIM in some way?

Edit: Ninja'd by Arian! *shakes fist*

Dwailing wrote...

How about this,

Most airvents seem to make a lot of noise when people crawl around inside them. Can you think of any times where this isn't the case?

What else? Folks agree or disagree with these, specific ones in particular?

Does the rubble in Shepard's Breath scene look familiar? Where have you seen it before?

Does it seem odd that Shepard surived the "Destroy" ending while being partly Synthetic? Could the Catalyst have been lying about other things?

[Arian Dynas]

HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

For the record, I'm the one who sugguested that interpretation to Salient. 

I disagree! 

I disagree to your disagreement!

You are made of stupid! 

[byne]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Let me start:

The codex entry for indoctrination mentions "oily shadows". Do you see any oily shadows in the game?

Let's see... 10 clues eh?

1. Notice the boy. Doesn't he act a bit strange for a boy of 9?

2. Where is Harbinger?

3. Hmm, what's wrong with that gun? Try reloading it.

4. Did you see something behind you in the Collector hall? Turn around and look.

5. The Illusive Man isn't acting quite like himself, is he? I wonder why. And who is Anderson talking to?

6. The Illusive Man was really in favor of Control. Who supported Synthesis?

7. The Citadel looks really familiar, doesn't it?

8. I wonder what the significance of those dreams are. Why is there whispering? What are those shadows?

9. Shepard's eyes look strange in the Control and Synthesis endings. Maybe you should look a bit closer.

10. There are alot of bodies along the beam run. I wonder who they belong to.

byne wrote...

I'd say:

Anderson represents destroy, TIM represents control, can you think of anyone who represents synthesis?

Maybe with a follow up of:

If you thought of someone like that, are they similar to either Anderson or TIM in some way?

Edit: Ninja'd by Arian! *shakes fist*

Dwailing wrote...

How about this,

Most airvents seem to make a lot of noise when people crawl around inside them. Can you think of any times where this isn't the case?

What else? Folks agree or disagree with these, specific ones in particular?

Does the rubble in Shepard's Breath scene look familiar? Where have you seen it before?

Does it seem odd that Shepard surived the "Destroy" ending while being partly Synthetic? Could the Catalyst have been lying about other things?

Do you hear that hum? Is that just me?

[Arian Dynas]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Let me start:

The codex entry for indoctrination mentions "oily shadows". Do you see any oily shadows in the game?

Let's see... 10 clues eh?

1. Notice the boy. Doesn't he act a bit strange for a boy of 9?

2. Where is Harbinger?

3. Hmm, what's wrong with that gun? Try reloading it.

4. Did you see something behind you in the Collector hall? Turn around and look.

5. The Illusive Man isn't acting quite like himself, is he? I wonder why. And who is Anderson talking to?

6. The Illusive Man was really in favor of Control. Who supported Synthesis?

7. The Citadel looks really familiar, doesn't it?

8. I wonder what the significance of those dreams are. Why is there whispering? What are those shadows?

9. Shepard's eyes look strange in the Control and Synthesis endings. Maybe you should look a bit closer.

10. There are alot of bodies along the beam run. I wonder who they belong to.

byne wrote...

I'd say:

Anderson represents destroy, TIM represents control, can you think of anyone who represents synthesis?

Maybe with a follow up of:

If you thought of someone like that, are they similar to either Anderson or TIM in some way?

Edit: Ninja'd by Arian! *shakes fist*

Dwailing wrote...

How about this,

Most airvents seem to make a lot of noise when people crawl around inside them. Can you think of any times where this isn't the case?

What else? Folks agree or disagree with these, specific ones in particular?

Does the rubble in Shepard's Breath scene look familiar? Where have you seen it before?

Does it seem odd that Shepard surived the "Destroy" ending while being partly Synthetic? Could the Catalyst have been lying about other things?

What is the definition of the word "Catalyst"? What does he tell you the Crucible did?

[HellishFiend]

MegumiAzusa wrote...


We can only theorize about the meaning of this effect, but it has a meaning otherwise BW wouldn't have done it in a movie where every 2 frames the scene switches to another.

How do you determine what is in those last 2 images? I cant make heads or tails of them...