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HellishFiend

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Well, Google translate sucks balls, so we need a German. I'll get the Sauerbraten, you get the fishing pole and we'll go find a metroline someplace and see if we can catch one.

EDIT: Or I suppose, if you want to be boring we could see if the band has a twitter page and ask them what the name means.


A translator isnt much help at this point anyway since his explanation seems to imply that it is some kind of meaningful phrase or figure of speech.

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Someone's a big Henry Rollins fan ain't he?

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On a side note, M4 Part I by the Faunts is a pretty good song, Really like how it relates to M4 Part II, brings me back to those days of running Shepards through 30 hour runs of ME1...good times.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Here is a youtube comment I turned up while looking into the title of the credits song:

BTW The credits song's title is "Das Malefitz" which is a rarely used German expression that roughly translates to "Renegade action" (Evil, ruthless, godless action). "Der Malefitz" would be a renegade. (from lat. Maleficium (profane/godless) misdeed, or maleficus evil, bad, godless)


Is there a German speaker in the house?!

INES! Where are you!?


I got this.

*sees Malefitz*

Ach du meine Guete!

He got it mostly right with the translations, although it seems to be "Malefiz" without the t, which is something like an old word for crime or misdeed OR judgement and courtroom. Lulz.

Credibility? It's from the Duden dictionary.

Modifié par lex0r11, 08 juin 2012 - 09:09 .


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lex0r11 wrote...
I got this.

*sees Malefitz*

Ach du meine Guete!

He got it mostly right with the translations, although it seems to be "Malefiz" without the t, which is something like an old word for crime or misdeed OR judgement and courtroom. Lulz.


0.o 

Do you have any speculation as to what it might mean in the context of being the credits song for ME3?

Modifié par HellishFiend, 08 juin 2012 - 09:08 .


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lex0r11 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Here is a youtube comment I turned up while looking into the title of the credits song:

BTW The credits song's title is "Das Malefitz" which is a rarely used German expression that roughly translates to "Renegade action" (Evil, ruthless, godless action). "Der Malefitz" would be a renegade. (from lat. Maleficium (profane/godless) misdeed, or maleficus evil, bad, godless)


Is there a German speaker in the house?!

INES! Where are you!?


I got this.

*sees Malefitz*

Ach du meine Guete!

He got it mostly right with the translations, although it seems to be "Malefiz" without the t, which is something like an old word for crime or misdeed OR judgement and courtroom. Lulz.

Credibility? It's from the Duden dictionary.


Danken Got.

I forgot you spoke German.

Well if this is the case this isn't huge. It's MASSIVE!

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HellishFiend wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...
I got this.

*sees Malefitz*

Ach du meine Guete!

He got it mostly right with the translations, although it seems to be "Malefiz" without the t, which is something like an old word for crime or misdeed OR judgement and courtroom. Lulz.


0.o 

Do you have any speculation as to what it might mean in the context of being the credits song for ME3?


Renegade Action. Highlighting Destroy yet again, singling it out. This is huge. It's also the song that takes place RIGHT after An End, Once and For All, meaning it's the transition from AEOFA's Cliff Hanger ending.

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Blimey, I thought everyone new about the end tune already, I was only referencing how it fits with the previous track.

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it seems to me that anti-IT has very much become a case of vocal minority. all screaming "its not IT its bad writing" or something similar, in a very interesting experience i got into a "discussion" with a young man at the local hobby shop, and he started going on with how me3 was bad writing and IT was fanfiction, and then went on to tell me for 15 minutes what should have happened. all i could think is "you say that IT is fanfic, yet your the one with a 20 minute headcannon that doesnt match the events in game at all"

After a little back and forth, the young man got very upset, said something along the lines that ME3 can never be forgiven and stormed out...ah 14 year olds, what fun to deal with.

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Sorry, if I'm interfering with your current discussion, but can someone explain to me, why according to I. T. choosing destroy means defying Catalyst?

Even if I assume, that Catalyst is lying to me, and trying to deceive me, why would he provide me with option which could be disastrous for him? I mean, if I was in his position, I would only speak about options beneficial to me.

For example, in Destroy Shepard could wake up as paranoid, who believe nobody, and seriously suspects everybody to be indoctrinated. Needless to say, such striking paranoia would decrease his efficiency and decrease morale of allied forces. Especially if he, for example, starts shooting everybody claiming that they're indoctrinated.

And even if we assume, that Destroy is least preferable option for Catalyst, why it is impossible to be worst only in comparison? Yes , it would be better to have Shepard controlled/synthetized, but why he couldn't be useful as I described?

I seriously think, that if don't believe somebody, doing that they proposed to you isn't good idea. Especially in that case, because Catalyst is outright states: ''The paths are open, but you have to choose.'' I think that means he wants me to choose something from these three options, so its likely that all of them are beneficial to him. If he is lying of course.

I tried to disscuss it in other situations, but never once got a satisfying logical answer.

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Danken Got.

I forgot you spoke German.

Well if this is the case this isn't huge. It's MASSIVE!


Haha, er versucht Deutsch zu sprechen.
Niedlich. :lol:

HellishFiend wrote...

0.o 

Do you have any speculation as to what it might mean in the context of being the credits song for ME3?


Well, if these guys looked up some old German words an saw crime or judgement?
Do I really need to say more? =]

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Renegade Action. Highlighting Destroy yet again, singling it out. This is huge. It's also the song that takes place RIGHT after An End, Once and For All, meaning it's the transition from AEOFA's Cliff Hanger ending.


Quite possibly. Definitely something to add to the list!

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

I've just frapsed the blue ending 4 times and went through the scenes in question step by step. It is not getting any more corporal, if it does it's a bug. But I could see that the refraction of the beam or whatever is quite strong at its then current position and could be mistaken as its ordinary skin. I made some screens that should clearly show that all we see is refraction, not its ordinary skin.
http://thundermods.n...lith/ME3/B0.png
http://thundermods.n...lith/ME3/B1.png
http://thundermods.n...lith/ME3/B2.png
http://thundermods.n...lith/ME3/B3.png
http://thundermods.n...lith/ME3/B4.png
http://thundermods.n...lith/ME3/B5.png
http://thundermods.n...lith/ME3/B6.png
http://thundermods.n...lith/ME3/B7.png
http://thundermods.n...lith/ME3/B8.png
http://thundermods.n...lith/ME3/B9.png


Good to see some REAL evidence for a change.
Imho, the last 24 h on this thread have been not very professional. Almost became boring with all that fog reading and using same images for speculations. And after catching up the last 5 h I got a little worried about the sanity of some of you guys :D.

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senshi420 wrote...

it seems to me that anti-IT has very much become a case of vocal minority. all screaming "its not IT its bad writing" or something similar, in a very interesting experience i got into a "discussion" with a young man at the local hobby shop, and he started going on with how me3 was bad writing and IT was fanfiction, and then went on to tell me for 15 minutes what should have happened. all i could think is "you say that IT is fanfic, yet your the one with a 20 minute headcannon that doesnt match the events in game at all"

After a little back and forth, the young man got very upset, said something along the lines that ME3 can never be forgiven and stormed out...ah 14 year olds, what fun to deal with.


Ahh to be 14 and think you know everything.

I learned that was stupid by the time I was 15, decided I liked the Socrates quote about wisdom and since then questioned my every move and threw myself into chronic depression.

I think there was a moral in this somewhere, but if there is for the life of me I can't find it.

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Sorry, someone has probably answered this before, but have we heard any more news about the ending? I heard that something about ME3 would be said at E3
Does anyone know the page number where it's been discussed in this topic (if it has been)? I'm reading through the pages but I may have missed it. Thank you :)

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senshi420 wrote...

it seems to me that anti-IT has very much become a case of vocal minority. all screaming "its not IT its bad writing" or something similar, in a very interesting experience i got into a "discussion" with a young man at the local hobby shop, and he started going on with how me3 was bad writing and IT was fanfiction, and then went on to tell me for 15 minutes what should have happened. all i could think is "you say that IT is fanfic, yet your the one with a 20 minute headcannon that doesnt match the events in game at all"

After a little back and forth, the young man got very upset, said something along the lines that ME3 can never be forgiven and stormed out...ah 14 year olds, what fun to deal with.


I agree. Further indicated by the results of various polls that have been floating around. Most notably Priestly's from the HtL forum. 

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Arian Dynas wrote...

senshi420 wrote...

it seems to me that anti-IT has very much become a case of vocal minority. all screaming "its not IT its bad writing" or something similar, in a very interesting experience i got into a "discussion" with a young man at the local hobby shop, and he started going on with how me3 was bad writing and IT was fanfiction, and then went on to tell me for 15 minutes what should have happened. all i could think is "you say that IT is fanfic, yet your the one with a 20 minute headcannon that doesnt match the events in game at all"

After a little back and forth, the young man got very upset, said something along the lines that ME3 can never be forgiven and stormed out...ah 14 year olds, what fun to deal with.


Ahh to be 14 and think you know everything.

I learned that was stupid by the time I was 15, decided I liked the Socrates quote about wisdom and since then questioned my every move and threw myself into chronic depression.

I think there was a moral in this somewhere, but if there is for the life of me I can't find it.


very similar to how things worked out for me, although 14-15 was half a lifetime ago for me.

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lex0r11 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Danken Got.

I forgot you spoke German.

Well if this is the case this isn't huge. It's MASSIVE!


Haha, er versucht Deutsch zu sprechen.
Niedlich. :lol:

HellishFiend wrote...

0.o 

Do you have any speculation as to what it might mean in the context of being the credits song for ME3?


Well, if these guys looked up some old German words an saw crime or judgement?
Do I really need to say more? =]




Ну товарищи, я бы очень приятно видеть вас пытаются лепетать из русского языка. Да, и если человек просит вас сигарет или джинсов, не забудьте получить по низкой цене, они бесполезны в Москве.

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Lord Goose wrote...
-snip-

I always thought of it as a representation of Shepard's mind and not an actual construct by the reapers. The catalyst is just another personification of the indoctrinated part of their mind, same as TIM. I could be horribly wrong though.

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Sire Styx wrote...

Sorry, someone has probably answered this before, but have we heard any more news about the ending? I heard that something about ME3 would be said at E3
Does anyone know the page number where it's been discussed in this topic (if it has been)? I'm reading through the pages but I may have missed it. Thank you :)

E3 just announced ME3 would be a launch title for the WiiU, in another shallow attempt to squeeze as much money out as possible.

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RavenEyry wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...
-snip-

I always thought of it as a representation of Shepard's mind and not an actual construct by the reapers. The catalyst is just another personification of the indoctrinated part of their mind, same as TIM. I could be horribly wrong though.


Dude, he's not around anymore, that post is so old it's fossilized.


Nevermind.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 08 juin 2012 - 09:25 .


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MaximizedAction wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

I've just frapsed the blue ending 4 times and went through the scenes in question step by step. It is not getting any more corporal, if it does it's a bug. But I could see that the refraction of the beam or whatever is quite strong at its then current position and could be mistaken as its ordinary skin. I made some screens that should clearly show that all we see is refraction, not its ordinary skin.
http://thundermods.n...lith/ME3/B0.png
http://thundermods.n...lith/ME3/B1.png
http://thundermods.n...lith/ME3/B2.png
http://thundermods.n...lith/ME3/B3.png
http://thundermods.n...lith/ME3/B4.png
http://thundermods.n...lith/ME3/B5.png
http://thundermods.n...lith/ME3/B6.png
http://thundermods.n...lith/ME3/B7.png
http://thundermods.n...lith/ME3/B8.png
http://thundermods.n...lith/ME3/B9.png


Good to see some REAL evidence for a change.
Imho, the last 24 h on this thread have been not very professional. Almost became boring with all that fog reading and using same images for speculations. And after catching up the last 5 h I got a little worried about the sanity of some of you guys :D.


Hey now, the fog looks potentially solid :P. Never got around to reading the patterns for clues though, doubt anything's there mostly so I don't have to look too closely...I may start seeing things.

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Why do I know the Cyrillic signs for Moscow and cigarettes?

*question mark face*

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Arian Dynas wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...
-snip-

I always thought of it as a representation of Shepard's mind and not an actual construct by the reapers. The catalyst is just another personification of the indoctrinated part of their mind, same as TIM. I could be horribly wrong though.


Dude, he's not around anymore, that post is so old it's fossilized.

But it's on the same page as my reply:blink:

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HellishFiend wrote...

senshi420 wrote...

it seems to me that anti-IT has very much become a case of vocal minority. all screaming "its not IT its bad writing" or something similar, in a very interesting experience i got into a "discussion" with a young man at the local hobby shop, and he started going on with how me3 was bad writing and IT was fanfiction, and then went on to tell me for 15 minutes what should have happened. all i could think is "you say that IT is fanfic, yet your the one with a 20 minute headcannon that doesnt match the events in game at all"

After a little back and forth, the young man got very upset, said something along the lines that ME3 can never be forgiven and stormed out...ah 14 year olds, what fun to deal with.


I agree. Further indicated by the results of various polls that have been floating around. Most notably Priestly's from the HtL forum. 


thats my point hellish, and it gets chalked up to them litterally doing what they say WE do, taking things out of context, ignoring evidence to the contrary, not researching the points they are trying to knock down. One example being: on the milkman blog they are still using "low ems= destroy only" as a talking point. which has been debunked.
Im not saying IT is true, wont know that till EC, id like to hope it is though, i just want to believe in the brilliance of people who have given us almost nothing but brilliance out of their careers so far.
you know instead of just getting mad.