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[SS2Dante]

BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

But they consist of something. They are more than just a symbol.

No, they are the oily shadows that the Rachni queen talks about, Reaper influence, not nanites. Besides, that scene on the citadel isn't real anyway.

Best argument against is that they are an overlay on the screen, not models or particles. Like the hud, or blood when you are on low health, or even the transition effects. Overlay isn't real, IT or non-IT.

Howeeeever, I will say that according to the leaked script, this moment is meant to remind you of the experiments from Mirandas mission.

[MegumiAzusa]

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[quote]Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

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[quote]Dwailing wrote...

Sooooo, it's been quiet for around 13 minutes. Anyone have any great insights? Small insights? Random OT stuff that means absolutely nothing for IT but is fun to talk about? (That's what I usually do.)[/quote]
I have a Unified Nanide-based Indoctrination Theory.
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Ah, the Unified Nanide-based Indoctrination Theory. We have dismissed these claims


Just kidding. They're imaginative but the Sanctuary mission debunks your hypothesis since Tim was working to control Reapers and Reaper troops, not organics.

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Wrong. He turned organics into husks on Sanctuary and he learned how to control them.
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Still dosent change that the purpose of Sanctuary was to "replicate the Reaper control signal."

Not indoctrination signal, not husk creation process (though that was required side effect, though as noted in a log these husks are not created the same way the Reaper husks are) but reaper control signal, specifically targeting the Reaper ground troops.

At no point had Sanctuary anything to do with controlling organics or the use of nanites beyond what was needed to create husks.

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So you're suggesting that TIM would throw all the "side-effect" research away because the main purpose was to research the means to control Reaper troops? That way humanity would never have developed a non-stick frying pan (teflon) which was discovered by accident.
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The "side-effect" research of Sanctuary amounted to a way to create "husk like creatures" and that process was obviusly not transportable in case you dident notice the massive tubes the colonists were placed in.

That is a pretty far cry from near perfect organic control.

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The tubes aren't needed if the nanides are air-borne.
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Give me an instance of airborne nanites in Mass Effect then, please? Even the dragon teeth require contact to convert someone.

Also a husk is mindless, both Shepard and Anderson retain their minds and you fail to realize that any airbone nanites if it indeed was would target TIM as well, essentially making it a suicide attack.[/quote]
One log or pad said people in the disposal area had to wear some heavy hazmat suits. Meaning they are airborne.[/quote]

Even if that is the case that also proves the nanites are completely uncontrolled and as such as big a danger to the Illusive Man as it is to Shepard and Anderson and that they would quickly and completely degenrate into husks since there was no control at all.

Also as my bother just pointed out. If it was indeed nanites then logically TIM would be fumbling with an Omni Tool or similar to control them, not using what looks like Biotics.

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TIM has been implanted for the last scene. He can control the nanides.
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He's been implanted at Reaper direction to become a more efficient agent. hos goal was to control husks and then ultimately Reapers, not little molecule-sized machines.[/quote]
Controlling a Husk means controlling these machines as they control the Husks.

[MaximizedAction]

SS2Dante wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Hey, apparently Casey "Speculations" Hudson has tweeted that there is a new ME3 patch coming out and that they will be ready to discuss its content soon. Any thoughts?

Uh, the last tweet I see on @CaseyDHudson is from 17 March. Source?

I saw it retweeted on the Mass Effect website.

Edit: It might not have been from Casey, but I saw a retweet from somebody on their website about a Patch 3 for ME3.

It was from Chris 

https://twitter.com/...057276159295488

Presumably referencing this.

http://www.escapistm...r-Mass-Effect-3 

Chris commented on a thread dedicated to Sony's leak: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/343/index/12067667&lf=8
But at least there WILL be news this month about DLC.

[SS2Dante]

Ravereth wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Hey, apparently Casey "Speculations" Hudson has tweeted that there is a new ME3 patch coming out and that they will be ready to discuss its content soon. Any thoughts?

Uh, the last tweet I see on @CaseyDHudson is from 17 March. Source?

I saw it retweeted on the Mass Effect website.

Edit: It might not have been from Casey, but I saw a retweet from somebody on their website about a Patch 3 for ME3.

It was from Chris 

https://twitter.com/...057276159295488

Presumably referencing this.

http://www.escapistm...r-Mass-Effect-3 

I don't think so 
https://twitter.com/...124598769221633 

BAM me wrong. Hmm they've been dead sneaky about the patches, do they make a big deal of them at all? Cos I have no idea when the face glitch patch was released.

[BatmanTurian]

funny Tweet I found from Priestly about the Diabolo III server problem going on. Might relate to his feelings about the backlash on ME3: @Phoenix_Blue @blizzard Still unfair. A moments rage will last once servers are working. The game may be brilliant but the unfair hate stays

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 16 mai 2012 - 06:34 .

[Boradam]

LazyTechGuy wrote...

Boradam, which glitch is that? You can't talk to anyone?

If Kaidan is the VS Gabriella and Kenneth don't talk to Shepard or have random banter because the flag for their dialogue is "Is Shepard good friends with Ashley?"

Obviously that's not possible when you have Kaidan alive instead of Ashley.

Modifié par Boradam, 16 mai 2012 - 06:38 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

paxxton wrote...

TIM has been implanted for the last scene. He can control the nanides.

Then how do you explain that Biotic Pulse thing, TIm did it for show?

Oh and as mentioned there is a distinct lack of a thick green gas like substance in the control chamber, the subtsance clearly shown turning people into husks in the vids. Something like that is not just missed.

You also fail to adress how Shepard and Anderson are not reduced to mindless beeings by the nanites. see the nanites that make husks are not controlling the person in any way, tehy only take fluids and other stuff out of the victims body and replace it with extensive machinery and it is through that machinery, not the nanites, that the Reapers control them. Shortly said even if it wa airborne nanites the Illusive man would ahve zero control until Shepard and Anderson were a pair of husks.

And the most blatant thing of all. The Repears have a billion years (at least going by the Leviathan of Dis) behind them and created the original husk process. If they could make that process airborne in an even remotely controlled and large scale way then they would not need Indoctrination at all.

[paxxton]

SS2Dante wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

But they consist of something. They are more than just a symbol.

No, they are the oily shadows that the Rachni queen talks about, Reaper influence, not nanites. Besides, that scene on the citadel isn't real anyway.

Best argument against is that they are an overlay on the screen, not models or particles. Like the hud, or blood when you are on low health, or even the transition effects. Overlay isn't real, IT or non-IT.

Howeeeever, I will say that according to the leaked script, this moment is meant to remind you of the experiments from Mirandas mission.

Even if those tendrils are an overlay (or sprites) - this only means that technically it was more convenient for the dev team to do it. It's just a programmer's optimization technique.

And this moment reminded me of nanides.

[Dwailing]

BatmanTurian wrote...

funny Tweet I found from Priestly about the Diabolo III server problem going on. Might relate to his feelings about the backlash on ME3: @Phoenix_Blue @blizzard Still unfair. A moments rage will last once servers are working. The game may be brilliant but the unfair hate stays

Hey, I don't hate ME3.  I frakking LOVE this game, as long as IT is true.

[BatmanTurian]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Controlling a Husk means controlling these machines as they control the Husks.

Controlling a husk means controling the signal that controls the husk and masking the Reaper signal

[Boradam]

Dwailing wrote...

Boradam wrote...

LazyTechGuy wrote...

Boradam wrote...

Maybe it will help fix the Kaidan/Ashley conversation glitch that affects the Engineering Bay conversations.

Yeah, that fix would really tie the game together.  

I kid you not when I say that the glitch was one of the most heart breaking things I've ever dealt with in the game. I loved the characters in Mass Effect 2 so not being able to hear a word in Mass Effect 3 was pretty game breaking since I'll be doing my true Mass Effect run with Kaidan surviving...

If you have the PC version (or know a way to edit saves on your console of choice), you could just edit the Ashley approval rating while Kaidan is alive.  There, problem solved, although I would love it if they could actually patch it.

I'm on Xbox as all my Mass Effect games were on there, and my PC is too poor to run Mass Effect 3 efficiently. I must wait for the patch if there will ever be one.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Controlling a Husk means controlling these machines as they control the Husks.

Not true. The nanites do not control a husk, they only convert it from what we are told. The nanites replace the fluids and certain organs of the body with machinery and it is through that machinery the Reapers control them, else the conversion into a mindless husk would not be necesary at all, right?

[Dwailing]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TIM has been implanted for the last scene. He can control the nanides.

Then how do you explain that Biotic Pulse thing, TIm did it for show?

Oh and as mentioned there is a distinct lack of a thick green gas like substance in the control chamber, the subtsance clearly shown turning people into husks in the vids. Something like that is not just missed.

You also fail to adress how Shepard and Anderson are not reduced to mindless beeings by the nanites. see the nanites that make husks are not controlling the person in any way, tehy only take fluids and other stuff out of the victims body and replace it with extensive machinery and it is through that machinery, not the nanites, that the Reapers control them. Shortly said even if it wa airborne nanites the Illusive man would ahve zero control until Shepard and Anderson were a pair of husks.

And the most blatant thing of all. The Repears have a billion years (at least going by the Leviathan of Dis) behind them and created the original husk process. If they could make that process airborne in an even remotely controlled and large scale way then they would not need Indoctrination at all.

Woot!  This, FTW!  Besides, I think the biggest problem I have with nanide theory is that it assumes that the scene with TIM and Anderson is real.  I think we've pretty clearly shown that it is highly unlikely that this is so.

[BatmanTurian]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TIM has been implanted for the last scene. He can control the nanides.

Then how do you explain that Biotic Pulse thing, TIm did it for show?

Oh and as mentioned there is a distinct lack of a thick green gas like substance in the control chamber, the subtsance clearly shown turning people into husks in the vids. Something like that is not just missed.

You also fail to adress how Shepard and Anderson are not reduced to mindless beeings by the nanites. see the nanites that make husks are not controlling the person in any way, tehy only take fluids and other stuff out of the victims body and replace it with extensive machinery and it is through that machinery, not the nanites, that the Reapers control them. Shortly said even if it wa airborne nanites the Illusive man would ahve zero control until Shepard and Anderson were a pair of husks.

And the most blatant thing of all. The Repears have a billion years (at least going by the Leviathan of Dis) behind them and created the original husk process. If they could make that process airborne in an even remotely controlled and large scale way then they would not need Indoctrination at all.

Yes, nanites are injected, not airborne. That's why the dragon's teeth are needed.

[MegumiAzusa]

BatmanTurian wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Controlling a Husk means controlling these machines as they control the Husks.

Controlling a husk means controling the signal that controls the husk and masking the Reaper signal

Sure, and that signal also controls the nanides.

[paxxton]

Dwailing wrote...

 Besides, I think the biggest problem I have with nanide theory is that it assumes that the scene with TIM and Anderson is real.  I think we've pretty clearly shown that it is highly unlikely that this is so.

That's totally untrue. UNIT does not imply that the TIM/Anderson scene is real. It is only concerned with how technically it could be organized.

Modifié par paxxton, 16 mai 2012 - 06:44 .

[BatmanTurian]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Controlling a Husk means controlling these machines as they control the Husks.

Controlling a husk means controling the signal that controls the husk and masking the Reaper signal

Sure, and that signal also controls the nanides.

No, it controls the machinery that has replaced the organic material in the husks. The nanites only convert organic material in the husks into machinery, replacing water and cellular structures with Reaper technology.

[MegumiAzusa]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TIM has been implanted for the last scene. He can control the nanides.

Then how do you explain that Biotic Pulse thing, TIm did it for show?

Oh and as mentioned there is a distinct lack of a thick green gas like substance in the control chamber, the subtsance clearly shown turning people into husks in the vids. Something like that is not just missed.

You also fail to adress how Shepard and Anderson are not reduced to mindless beeings by the nanites. see the nanites that make husks are not controlling the person in any way, tehy only take fluids and other stuff out of the victims body and replace it with extensive machinery and it is through that machinery, not the nanites, that the Reapers control them. Shortly said even if it wa airborne nanites the Illusive man would ahve zero control until Shepard and Anderson were a pair of husks.

And the most blatant thing of all. The Repears have a billion years (at least going by the Leviathan of Dis) behind them and created the original husk process. If they could make that process airborne in an even remotely controlled and large scale way then they would not need Indoctrination at all.

Yes, nanites are injected, not airborne. That's why the dragon's teeth are needed.

Were you not listening? The Dragon's Teeth have two purposes: quickly distribute many nanides (airborne would just be slower) and giving pain and therefor increasing adrenaline output.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Controlling a Husk means controlling these machines as they control the Husks.

Controlling a husk means controling the signal that controls the husk and masking the Reaper signal

Sure, and that signal also controls the nanides.

Look at my post. The nanintes only convert the body into a husk, replacing orgnaic material with machinery that allow the Reapers to control it. Wy am i so sure of that? Well if the nanites could control the body, why convert it into a husk and lose all knowledge the person had and the opputunity to use the person in the harvesting?

[BatmanTurian]

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TIM has been implanted for the last scene. He can control the nanides.

Then how do you explain that Biotic Pulse thing, TIm did it for show?

Oh and as mentioned there is a distinct lack of a thick green gas like substance in the control chamber, the subtsance clearly shown turning people into husks in the vids. Something like that is not just missed.

You also fail to adress how Shepard and Anderson are not reduced to mindless beeings by the nanites. see the nanites that make husks are not controlling the person in any way, tehy only take fluids and other stuff out of the victims body and replace it with extensive machinery and it is through that machinery, not the nanites, that the Reapers control them. Shortly said even if it wa airborne nanites the Illusive man would ahve zero control until Shepard and Anderson were a pair of husks.

And the most blatant thing of all. The Repears have a billion years (at least going by the Leviathan of Dis) behind them and created the original husk process. If they could make that process airborne in an even remotely controlled and large scale way then they would not need Indoctrination at all.

Woot!  This, FTW!  Besides, I think the biggest problem I have with nanide theory is that it assumes that the scene with TIM and Anderson is real.  I think we've pretty clearly shown that it is highly unlikely that this is so.

That's totally untrue. UNIT does not imply that the TIM/Anderson scene is real. It only tries to show how technically it could be organized.

No, it implies it is real, because you are saying those oily shadows are nanites. If so, then they were also present in ME1 while fighting Saren when he turned into a husk after killing him and Sovvy taking control. It is a visual cue only meant to tell the player something is wrong in the Lovecraftian sense.

[MegumiAzusa]

Boradam wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Boradam wrote...

LazyTechGuy wrote...

Boradam wrote...

Maybe it will help fix the Kaidan/Ashley conversation glitch that affects the Engineering Bay conversations.

Yeah, that fix would really tie the game together.  

I kid you not when I say that the glitch was one of the most heart breaking things I've ever dealt with in the game. I loved the characters in Mass Effect 2 so not being able to hear a word in Mass Effect 3 was pretty game breaking since I'll be doing my true Mass Effect run with Kaidan surviving...

If you have the PC version (or know a way to edit saves on your console of choice), you could just edit the Ashley approval rating while Kaidan is alive.  There, problem solved, although I would love it if they could actually patch it.

I'm on Xbox as all my Mass Effect games were on there, and my PC is too poor to run Mass Effect 3 efficiently. I must wait for the patch if there will ever be one.

You know there is a converter to convert saves for different platforms? Convert to pc, then edit it, and back to xbox.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TIM has been implanted for the last scene. He can control the nanides.

Then how do you explain that Biotic Pulse thing, TIm did it for show?

Oh and as mentioned there is a distinct lack of a thick green gas like substance in the control chamber, the subtsance clearly shown turning people into husks in the vids. Something like that is not just missed.

You also fail to adress how Shepard and Anderson are not reduced to mindless beeings by the nanites. see the nanites that make husks are not controlling the person in any way, tehy only take fluids and other stuff out of the victims body and replace it with extensive machinery and it is through that machinery, not the nanites, that the Reapers control them. Shortly said even if it wa airborne nanites the Illusive man would ahve zero control until Shepard and Anderson were a pair of husks.

And the most blatant thing of all. The Repears have a billion years (at least going by the Leviathan of Dis) behind them and created the original husk process. If they could make that process airborne in an even remotely controlled and large scale way then they would not need Indoctrination at all.

Yes, nanites are injected, not airborne. That's why the dragon's teeth are needed.

Were you not listening? The Dragon's Teeth have two purposes: quickly distribute many nanides (airborne would just be slower) and giving pain and therefor increasing adrenaline output.

I am quite listening, but check my other posts. The nanites only extract and convert the victims organic parts with machinery. If they could control the victim no machinery would be needed.

[TSA_383]

Remember that old leaked script from earlier?
The one with the unused sequence involving Joker?

Well, not only was the audio left in the game - the subtitles are still there too:
[biod_end001_910racetoconduit_loc_int.end001_final_run_trouble_c_D.end001_final_run_trouble_c_dlg]
speaker_list: radio_joker, global_joker, radio_end001_alliance_marine, radio_end001_alliance_major
+-[entry #0]
speaker: variable_1
listener: variable_2
+-[reply #0]
listener: variable_3
+-[entry #1]
| speaker: variable_1
| listener: variable_2
| text: Joker! Are you a sight for sore eyes!
| +-[reply #1]
| listener: variable_3
| +-[entry #2]
| | speaker: radio_joker
| | listener: variable_2
| | text: I wasn't gonna let you guys take all the credit!
| +-[entry #3]
| | speaker: radio_joker
| | listener: variable_2
| | text: That was for Cortez!
| +-[entry #4]
| | speaker: radio_joker
| | listener: variable_2
| | text: Just make sure EDI gets back in one piece!
| +-[entry #5]
| speaker: global_joker
| listener: variable_2
| text: Late to the party, but the girls are coming home with me!
+-[entry #6]
speaker: variable_1
listener: variable_2
text: Joker! Good timing.
+-[reply #2]
listener: variable_3
+-[entry #7]
speaker: radio_joker
listener: variable_2
text: Now get the hell on there so we can end this!

I wouldn't be terribly surprised if this or something like it gets used for EC, but it's still probably just an oversight.
Interesting though

Gibbed managed to dump the game's entire subtitles database here:
http://mod.gib.me/ma...3/testdump2.txt

[BatmanTurian]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TIM has been implanted for the last scene. He can control the nanides.

Then how do you explain that Biotic Pulse thing, TIm did it for show?

Oh and as mentioned there is a distinct lack of a thick green gas like substance in the control chamber, the subtsance clearly shown turning people into husks in the vids. Something like that is not just missed.

You also fail to adress how Shepard and Anderson are not reduced to mindless beeings by the nanites. see the nanites that make husks are not controlling the person in any way, tehy only take fluids and other stuff out of the victims body and replace it with extensive machinery and it is through that machinery, not the nanites, that the Reapers control them. Shortly said even if it wa airborne nanites the Illusive man would ahve zero control until Shepard and Anderson were a pair of husks.

And the most blatant thing of all. The Repears have a billion years (at least going by the Leviathan of Dis) behind them and created the original husk process. If they could make that process airborne in an even remotely controlled and large scale way then they would not need Indoctrination at all.

Yes, nanites are injected, not airborne. That's why the dragon's teeth are needed.

Were you not listening? The Dragon's Teeth have two purposes: quickly distribute many nanides (airborne would just be slower) and giving pain and therefor increasing adrenaline output.

Doesn't matter, nanites are for converting organics into shock troops. They don't control the troops, the machinery created by the nanites does, machinery being controlled by a signal from the Reapers. Tim wants to bypass that signal and block it and use his own. That is what Sanctuary is for, research into controlling the Reapers. It's all Tim talks about.

[paxxton]

BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TIM has been implanted for the last scene. He can control the nanides.

Then how do you explain that Biotic Pulse thing, TIm did it for show?

Oh and as mentioned there is a distinct lack of a thick green gas like substance in the control chamber, the subtsance clearly shown turning people into husks in the vids. Something like that is not just missed.

You also fail to adress how Shepard and Anderson are not reduced to mindless beeings by the nanites. see the nanites that make husks are not controlling the person in any way, tehy only take fluids and other stuff out of the victims body and replace it with extensive machinery and it is through that machinery, not the nanites, that the Reapers control them. Shortly said even if it wa airborne nanites the Illusive man would ahve zero control until Shepard and Anderson were a pair of husks.

And the most blatant thing of all. The Repears have a billion years (at least going by the Leviathan of Dis) behind them and created the original husk process. If they could make that process airborne in an even remotely controlled and large scale way then they would not need Indoctrination at all.

Woot!  This, FTW!  Besides, I think the biggest problem I have with nanide theory is that it assumes that the scene with TIM and Anderson is real.  I think we've pretty clearly shown that it is highly unlikely that this is so.

That's totally untrue. UNIT does not imply that the TIM/Anderson scene is real. It only tries to show how technically it could be organized.

No, it implies it is real, because you are saying those oily shadows are nanites. If so, then they were also present in ME1 while fighting Saren when he turned into a husk after killing him and Sovvy taking control. It is a visual cue only meant to tell the player something is wrong in the Lovecraftian sense.

Nope, it doesn't imply that. Dreams are unreal but there are always some real aspect in them.