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paxxton wrote...
Those results are uplifting. 4:1 for IT.balance5050 wrote...
Besides I think they already have a rough idea of how many want IT to be true.
http://www.holdtheli...on-theory.1909/
paxxton wrote...
LOL. Maybe I oversimplified a bit.senshi420 wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Actually, have you considered that we are drawing some conclusions from various evidence and by repeating and reliving them constantly we create a mental force that persuades others to embrace IT? If enough people believes IT is true, BioWare will have to implement it regardless of whether they planned for it or want it.
pax, as big of a fan as i am of your UNITplease oh please keep this new age stuff out of our mass effect
I didn't mean any magical will power or Dragon Ball stuff. Rather by reading what we write here people start to see that it all makes sense and become ITists.
EDIT: You are welcome to post in the UNIT thread.
http://social.biowar.../index/12089259
Andromidius wrote...
Mass Effect needs a bit more armour customisation. Even if its 'allow helmets to be removed during dialogue' - its the one reason I NEVER wear a helmet. Despite the big stat loss, I can't stand not being able to see Shep's face.
Andromidius wrote...
Transmogrification is pretty awesome for WoW. Though people will always complain that people are wearing gear they 'didn't earn'. Which is nonsense.
Mass Effect needs a bit more armour customisation. Even if its 'allow helmets to be removed during dialogue' - its the one reason I NEVER wear a helmet. Despite the big stat loss, I can't stand not being able to see Shep's face.
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byne wrote...
Andromidius wrote...
Mass Effect needs a bit more armour customisation. Even if its 'allow helmets to be removed during dialogue' - its the one reason I NEVER wear a helmet. Despite the big stat loss, I can't stand not being able to see Shep's face.
You do realize that option is included in ME3, right?
estebanus wrote...
Also, here's my Guild Wars 2 character!
Look at the pretty kitty! Isn't he cute?
byne wrote...
estebanus wrote...
Also, here's my Guild Wars 2 character!
Look at the pretty kitty! Isn't he cute?
Its... like a khajiit/tauren/worgen hybrid.
Modifié par estebanus, 08 juin 2012 - 10:45 .
Andromidius wrote...
byne wrote...
Andromidius wrote...
Mass Effect needs a bit more armour customisation. Even if its 'allow helmets to be removed during dialogue' - its the one reason I NEVER wear a helmet. Despite the big stat loss, I can't stand not being able to see Shep's face.
You do realize that option is included in ME3, right?
Is it? Eek, missed that one.
Isn't in ME2 though is it?
Andromidius wrote...
byne wrote...
Andromidius wrote...
Mass Effect needs a bit more armour customisation. Even if its 'allow helmets to be removed during dialogue' - its the one reason I NEVER wear a helmet. Despite the big stat loss, I can't stand not being able to see Shep's face.
You do realize that option is included in ME3, right?
Is it? Eek, missed that one.
Isn't in ME2 though is it?
'd. CURSE YOU BYNE! :happy:
Modifié par HellishFiend, 08 juin 2012 - 10:45 .
estebanus wrote...
byne wrote...
estebanus wrote...
Also, here's my Guild Wars 2 character!
*snip*
Look at the pretty kitty! Isn't he cute?
Its... like a khajiit/tauren/worgen hybrid.
Commonly referred to as "Charr".
And be careful, he bites!
Thanks! Good to know I have at least one real supporter on BSN. Despite bumping the UNIT thread recently nobody showed up to post.senshi420 wrote...
paxxton wrote...
LOL. Maybe I oversimplified a bit.senshi420 wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Actually, have you considered that we are drawing some conclusions from various evidence and by repeating and reliving them constantly we create a mental force that persuades others to embrace IT? If enough people believes IT is true, BioWare will have to implement it regardless of whether they planned for it or want it.
pax, as big of a fan as i am of your UNIT
EDIT: You are welcome to post in the UNIT thread.
http://social.biowar.../index/12089259
i enjoyed it more when you still called it UNIT, mostly because watching you go around inviting people to speculate on your UNIT brought me many many lulz. and i liek people who can make me laugh like that
on the theory itself, its got some interesting points, not something i lean towards, but who knows atm right? if i think of anything that may add to your theory, i will of course add it there
Modifié par paxxton, 08 juin 2012 - 11:16 .
byne wrote...
estebanus wrote...
byne wrote...
estebanus wrote...
Also, here's my Guild Wars 2 character!
*snip*
Look at the pretty kitty! Isn't he cute?
Its... like a khajiit/tauren/worgen hybrid.
Commonly referred to as "Charr".
And be careful, he bites!
Charr? He'd better recite poetry about the blue rose of [Insert Guild Wars city here]!
HellishFiend wrote...
Lord Luc1fer wrote...
K, I'm back, tail between my legs. How come on PC it only retains your last 3 saves? can't get back to chronos
[EDIT] I'm the world's sillest goose, guess where it arrive after the credits?
Yup, thats part of why I said it "may be a clue".
estebanus wrote...
byne wrote...
estebanus wrote...
Also, here's my Guild Wars 2 character!
*snip*
Look at the pretty kitty! Isn't he cute?
Its... like a khajiit/tauren/worgen hybrid.
Commonly referred to as "Charr".
And be careful, he bites!
Lord Luc1fer wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
Lord Luc1fer wrote...
K, I'm back, tail between my legs. How come on PC it only retains your last 3 saves? can't get back to chronos
[EDIT] I'm the world's sillest goose, guess where it arrive after the credits?
Yup, thats part of why I said it "may be a clue".
OK, checking in at 11:49pm GMT, got the Breath scene. Big thanks to HellishFiend and Paxxton for telling me to go to chronos and telling me to do it on narrative mode, respectively. Did I miss anything?
You're welcome!Lord Luc1fer wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
Lord Luc1fer wrote...
K, I'm back, tail between my legs. How come on PC it only retains your last 3 saves? can't get back to chronos
[EDIT] I'm the world's sillest goose, guess where it arrive after the credits?
Yup, thats part of why I said it "may be a clue".
OK, checking in at 11:49pm GMT, got the Breath scene. Big thanks to HellishFiend and Paxxton for telling me to go to chronos and telling me to do it on narrative mode, respectively. Did I miss anything?
Lord Luc1fer wrote...
Also, anyone else think the stargazer looks alot like anderson in alliance brass uniform?
paxxton wrote...
Thanks! Good to know I have at least one real supporter on BSN. Despite bumping the UNIT thread recently nobody showed up to post.
The names can be used interchangeably. Metaconvergence Theory emphasizes the unification UNIT is supposed to bring about. I explain that in more detail in the updated OP to the UNIT thread.
Arian Dynas wrote...
estebanus wrote...
byne wrote...
estebanus wrote...
Also, here's my Guild Wars 2 character!
*snip*
Look at the pretty kitty! Isn't he cute?
Its... like a khajiit/tauren/worgen hybrid.
Commonly referred to as "Charr".
And be careful, he bites!
My personal favorite creation for my book shall always remain my Werewolf/Vampire/Chinese/Jewish/Russian/Venician/Fremen
Turbo_J wrote...
bigstig wrote...
llbountyhunter wrote...
bigstig wrote...
Here is something for you to ponder:
Starchild states that the the created will always rebel against the creators:
The Repears may attempt to CREATE a new Reaper in each cycle(as evident from the Proto-Repear in ME2)
Discuss:
Could a Reaper civil war be possible? Or does this lend itself to the idea that Harbringer is Reaper 001 and actual controls the rest of the Reaper species either via indoctrination or his "assuming direct control" method. In which case would it mean if you take down Harbringer then you free the remaining Reapers from his control?
Just thought I'd throw this one out there, no doubt it has been mentioned before but if it has been then I haven't seen it and I'm still proud to have come up with it.
I'm leaning more towards no... because, while they are still "individual " they are still connected, and thus there ideas are connected and conflicting ideas would almost never happen, (I recently read the book "redemption ark" which speaks of future humans possibly getting implants and becoming a kind of consensus.... also has a story similar too mass effect...I recommend it )
Of course there may still be disagreements like how not all geth agreed to averythimg in me3, but like geth i dont think ther would go to war with each other.
Again I add this: Individuality does not automatically mean independence. We are all individuals but we are all part of a state/country which may or may not be part of an even greater structure i.e. I live in Scotland, Scotland is part of the United Kingdom, The United Kingdom is part of Europe and so on. Someone at the EU makes a decision and that filters down to me. I am still an individual but I am connected to something else.
BTW the consensus idea not that far fetched, we have actually real world evidence of it occuring. For example it was reported that some Sheep in a farm had beaten the cattle grate by lying down and rolling over it, nothing too special in itself but elsewhere another group of Sheep were doing exactly the same thing Link1, Link 2. Also there is anecdotal evidence of Birds discovering how to open Milk bottles at the same time as well
Back on topic if we treat the Reaper ID like Legion, Legion became an individual in the end but he started as a group of Geth each with their own mind and they did differ. Which is why he required Shepard to make the final decision about the heretics in Mass Effect 2.
Legion is important here, as over the course of conversation with him in ME2 and ME3 you can conceptualize how the Reapers function - especially if you add in information provided to you by Sovereign in ME1
I went into this a while back, but I've got some insight to add on the internal control.
Geth: We are all Geth... there is no difference between them save for the task oriented portion of the software... Their 'specialization' if you will. Geth, as a whole, make up a single entity. They are several programs, but not independent... like all the cells in our body. The cells do not have self awareness, but all of them combined together to give us as a whole, self awareness, among other useful things.
The Geth are a gestalt intellect, but interdependent. A fractured mind because when not together, they suffer not only the loss of intelligence, but the loss of self awareness... they are a VI and thus not alive or fully self-aware on their own.
The Reapers: We are a nation, independent and free of all weakness.
Nazar are the programs inside Sovereign. Each of these programs is a fully evolved AI - perhaps more; like the added singular intellect of each individual Reaped to make Sovereign. These programs are independent. However, this is where it gets tricky.
The programs may be alive and fully independent, but they are not FREE.
Legion regarding Reaper 'code' upgrades: 'We would be alive, but with free will.
When hooked up to the Reapers, the Geth are fully evolved AI, independent, but WITHOUT free will. The Reaper signal seems to act as some sort of software shackle. Legion had upgrade code... meaning he was 1,182 fully evolved AI's in one platform... The only way to keep him in check was to take away his ability to control his hardware... hardware blocks... as that many AI could not possibly be controlled through software. It would be far too intelligent for that.
Edit: The Reapers also take away sapien hardware (body), making controlling non-indoctrinated minds much easier.
So what's to say that the population inside a Reaper isn't also shackled by the Reaper TECH; controlled by the pure hardware; the Reaper portion of the AI itself to prevent free independent thought from individual programs; it may seem like a catch 22, but that's the puzzle we are trying to work out... why wouldn't the Reaper itself eventually free it's own programs; other than maybe it's governed by a hard core anti-chaos programming logic.
So this shackling would also prevents emotions from developing. It's not indoctrination, but simply control. The only way to control an organic civilization so it will do your bidding in a collective manner? Could it be the 'Reapers' tried to get organics to work together at one time as free independents to solve a problem 'like dark energy' but found them to chaotic, so came up with a way to remove chaos from the equation? Form an organic Giganto computer without emotions so pure problem solving could be done without infighting, sidetracking, or distractions... Just verbalizing thoughts there... I still think their purpose is more mundane than that.
Legion: Even before his independent personality started to come out, the 1,182 programs inside him worked closely together, but with free will and, as a whole, they began to develop an emotional attachment to an organic they had never met... Symbolized in wearing Shepard's armor and not being able to explain why.
So what would happen if we were to unshackle the billions of AI inside a Reaper?
Eryri wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
Ok I'm going into Old Coot mode.
You've been warned.
Sorry. Didn't mean to interrupt the conversation.
paxxton wrote...
Thanks! Good to know I have at least one real supporter on BSN. Despite bumping the UNIT thread recently nobody showed up to post.
The names can be used interchangeably. Metaconvergence Theory emphasizes the unification UNIT is supposed to bring about. I explain that in more detail in the updated OP to the UNIT thread.
Modifié par paxxton, 08 juin 2012 - 10:55 .
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