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[estebanus]

Anyway, I'm going to bed now, so I'll see you all tomorrow. Goodbye!

[lex0r11]

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

That's not fair I can put only 4 lines of text in my post signature.

Still more decisions than Mass Effect 3's ending.

[estebanus]

lex0r11 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

That's not fair I can put only 4 lines of text in my post signature.

Still more decisions than Mass Effect 3's ending.

OH YES I DID!

Also, it's great to see you again, Lex0r!

Modifié par estebanus, 08 juin 2012 - 11:14 .

[Macgummi]

Arian Dynas wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Wow, every day I go to work, come back and there's another 30 pages...
Been too busy playing with overclocking and playing some multiplayer
http://i.imgur.com/n0JYH.png

Anyway, anything interesting happen over the past 30 pages? I'd like to check the whole infrasound thing in London and the ending sequence, that's be an interesting one. Unfortunately, whilst I have the bassiest headphones in the whole world I'm not a whale and thus sadly can't hear infrasonic. If anyone has some remotely decent speakers hooked up to their PC/console I can show you how to set up a low-pass filter in software...

Well the most interesting development of the last 24 hours in my opinion, that song that plays over the Outro and the Credits? Das Malefitz? According to some of our German speakers can be translated as "Renegade Action." Considering The Faunts (An Edmonton based band) wrote it specifically for ME3...

There´s a problem, though. :/ The correct spelling of the word in German is "Malefiz".

[Arian Dynas]

Macgummi wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Wow, every day I go to work, come back and there's another 30 pages...
Been too busy playing with overclocking and playing some multiplayer
http://i.imgur.com/n0JYH.png

Anyway, anything interesting happen over the past 30 pages? I'd like to check the whole infrasound thing in London and the ending sequence, that's be an interesting one. Unfortunately, whilst I have the bassiest headphones in the whole world I'm not a whale and thus sadly can't hear infrasonic. If anyone has some remotely decent speakers hooked up to their PC/console I can show you how to set up a low-pass filter in software...

Well the most interesting development of the last 24 hours in my opinion, that song that plays over the Outro and the Credits? Das Malefitz? According to some of our German speakers can be translated as "Renegade Action." Considering The Faunts (An Edmonton based band) wrote it specifically for ME3...

There´s a problem, though. :/ The correct spelling of the word in German is "Malefiz".

I'm aware, but Malefitz doesn't mean anything in any langugage, vaugely germanic or otherwise.

EDIT: I edited my last post. 

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 08 juin 2012 - 11:55 .

[TJBartlemus]

HellishFiend wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Also, anyone else think the stargazer looks alot like anderson in alliance brass uniform?

Not sure if it's been suggested, but some have suggested the kid is a shrunken Shepard, so Stargazer being Anderson would make sense. 

Has anyone actually compared TIM's voice and the stargazer's voice? To me the stargazer sounds like an older version of the Illusive man, and of course the little kid sounds like the kid on earth. Hmmm.... Is there something there we are not seeing?

Maybe the entire game trilogy was a story by the Illusive Man in his later years to his grandson? Like what J.R. Tolkien did to his son. It could make sense.

Edit: Except with JR it was all made up.

I'm assuming you know Stargazer is voiced by Buzz Aldrin, right? So any theoriez (wow, the z there was accidental, but it works, so I'll leave it) regarding his voice would have that to contend with. 

I was aware of the 2 different voice actors. I was just pointing out that the similarities are there, and maybe BioWare did that on purpose.

Stargazer

Illusive Man

[HellishFiend]

TJBartlemus wrote...

I was aware of the 2 different voice actors. I was just pointing out that the similarities are there, and maybe BioWare did that on purpose.

Stargazer

Illusive Man

Perhaps. But that has stiff competition with the more obvious possibilities. 

[Salient Archer]

Ok guys, time to help me out. It's near imposible to get a sensible answer from anyone outside of this forum so the question I'd like you guys to ponder is this:

'Please explain from a literalist perspective where Shepard is during the breath scene and how did Shepard get there?

Please only use in-game and in-universe evidence as I will not accept "the starchild is malevolent" crap."

Also bear in mind the following:

-the size and intensity of the blast
-what possible exits Shepard has that we see in the cinematic
-kinetic barriers can not withstand high temperatures or radiation
-the time that takes place between the tube destruction and the citadel explosion
-the general laws of physics and thermodynamics
-the environment(s) Shepard would be subjected to

Obviously I'm very pro-ITD but remember Iron-Sharpens-Iron and I'm honestly just curious what truly intelectual and analytical minds could come up with from a literalist perspective.

[HellishFiend]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Macgummi wrote...


There´s a problem, though. :/ The correct spelling of the word in German is "Malefiz".

I'm aware, but Malefitz doesn't mean anything in any langugage, vaugely germanic or otherwise.

I'm hesitant to get too excited about this one, partially because of the "off" translation, but also because it's only real evidence is itself. Most of our evidence relies on themes, errors, context, etc. The only thing we have to back this one up is that we believe Destroy is the option that breaks indoctrination. 

Dont get me wrong, I like it as evidence, and it works to an extent. I just cant get myself excited about it. 

[Rifneno]

Dendio1 wrote...

Yea im done. Ive been avoiding taking sides, but I think we have enough counter evidence to abandon the theory

Who's this "we", you got a mouse in your pocket?  You counter "evidence" is garbage.  Shepard's emotions are whispers you can't quite make out and oily shadows?  I especially love the counter "evidence" about the eyes.  Let's try this: A dog is an animal.  A dog is a mammal.  According to you, all animals are mammals.

Spoiler: Not all animals are mammals.

And HellishFiend is right about the gun switch.  There was no switch in the Wrex scene, he's clearly holding them both.  They forgot to hide the graal for a split second.  That's slightly different than how the carnifex switches to the predator which isn't even loaded into the memory for use if you pick synthesis or control.

[paxxton]

Salient Archer wrote...

Ok guys, time to help me out. It's near imposible to get a sensible answer from anyone outside of this forum so the question I'd like you guys to ponder is this:

'Please explain from a literalist perspective where Shepard is during the breath scene and how did Shepard get there?

Please only use in-game and in-universe evidence as I will not accept "the starchild is malevolent" crap."

Also bear in mind the following:

-the size and intensity of the blast
-what possible exits Shepard has that we see in the cinematic
-kinetic barriers can not withstand high temperatures or radiation
-the time that takes place between the tube destruction and the citadel explosion
-the general laws of physics and thermodynamics
-the environment(s) Shepard would be subjected to

Obviously I'm very pro-ITD but remember Iron-Sharpens-Iron and I'm honestly just curious what truly intelectual and analytical minds could come up with from a literalist perspective.

The answer is obvious. He's in afterlife (not the bar).

EDIT: That wasn't my truly intellectual and analytical answer.

EDIT2: My truly intellectual and analytical answer is to point you to the beam from the Crucible. When the camera shows it after you make a choice there is a bright sphere coming down from it. This might be Shepard being transported back to Earth.

EDIT3: Also, Shepard could be riding a Citadel arm down to London. It would explain how he survived reentry.

Modifié par paxxton, 08 juin 2012 - 11:46 .

[HellishFiend]

Salient Archer wrote...

Ok guys, time to help me out. It's near imposible to get a sensible answer from anyone outside of this forum so the question I'd like you guys to ponder is this:

'Please explain from a literalist perspective where Shepard is during the breath scene and how did Shepard get there?

Please only use in-game and in-universe evidence as I will not accept "the starchild is malevolent" crap."

Also bear in mind the following:

-the size and intensity of the blast
-what possible exits Shepard has that we see in the cinematic
-kinetic barriers can not withstand high temperatures or radiation
-the time that takes place between the tube destruction and the citadel explosion
-the general laws of physics and thermodynamics
-the environment(s) Shepard would be subjected to

Obviously I'm very pro-ITD but remember Iron-Sharpens-Iron and I'm honestly just curious what truly intelectual and analytical minds could come up with from a literalist perspective.

I thought about this at length a while back. I came up with two things:

First, the Starchild makes use of the ability, using previously unknown Citadel tech, or tech enabled by the Crucible to teleport Shepard back down to London. It could be potentially supported by the fact that Shepard disappears from one shot to the next after the initial explosion. We can see the location where he was standing, but he is not there. 

The other is that Shepard is protected by a mass effect field of unprecedented power, enabled possibly by Citadel + Crucible tech working in tandem, to protect a small area around the Destroy tube. The initial explosion happens within that field, but the massive explosion afterwards is kept out. Following this, the chunk of the Citadel containing Shepard (now unconscious due to the initial explosion), floats down to Earth, partially guarding against the force of gravity and the vacuum of space by the aforementioned mass effect field.

I couldnt think of a scenario where Shepard is laying among Citadel rubble in space, on the grounds that if the Citadel were devastated as badly as the breath scene suggests, its ability to maintain gravity and atmosphere would likely be disabled, resulting in death.

Dont get me wrong, I dont believe either of those possibilities for a second, but they were the best that my objective mind could come up with...

[TJBartlemus]

If Starchild lives in the Citadel, why does he need to have Sovereign even be there? He of course knows what is going on in the galaxy cause the governments are there and he can just press the secret "bring the reapers" button from there. Absolutly no need for a Reaper, and the chance that a being could discover the reaper that was left, like Saren, and warn everyone.

[Andromidius]

Literalists are still claiming that scene is on the Citadel, aren't they? Or did they give that one up?

[Arian Dynas]

HellishFiend wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Ok guys, time to help me out. It's near imposible to get a sensible answer from anyone outside of this forum so the question I'd like you guys to ponder is this:

'Please explain from a literalist perspective where Shepard is during the breath scene and how did Shepard get there?

Please only use in-game and in-universe evidence as I will not accept "the starchild is malevolent" crap."

Also bear in mind the following:

-the size and intensity of the blast
-what possible exits Shepard has that we see in the cinematic
-kinetic barriers can not withstand high temperatures or radiation
-the time that takes place between the tube destruction and the citadel explosion
-the general laws of physics and thermodynamics
-the environment(s) Shepard would be subjected to

Obviously I'm very pro-ITD but remember Iron-Sharpens-Iron and I'm honestly just curious what truly intelectual and analytical minds could come up with from a literalist perspective.

I thought about this at length a while back. I came up with two things:

First, the Starchild makes use of the ability, using previously unknown Citadel tech, or tech enabled by the Crucible to teleport Shepard back down to London. It could be potentially supported by the fact that Shepard disappears from one shot to the next after the initial explosion. We can see the location where he was standing, but he is not there. 

The other is that Shepard is protected by a mass effect field of unprecedented power, enabled possibly by Citadel + Crucible tech working in tandem, to protect a small area around the Destroy tube. The initial explosion happens within that field, but the massive explosion afterwards is kept out. Following this, the chunk of the Citadel containing Shepard (now unconscious due to the initial explosion), floats down to Earth, partially guarding against the force of gravity and the vacuum of space by the aforementioned mass effect field.

I couldnt think of a scenario where Shepard is laying among Citadel rubble in space, on the grounds that if the Citadel were devastated as badly as the breath scene suggests, its ability to maintain gravity and atmosphere would likely be disabled, resulting in death.

Dont get me wrong, I dont believe either of those possibilities for a second, but they were the best that my objective mind could come up with...

1. Why would he? He does't paticuarly care enough to save Shepard in any other ending, let alone the lower EMS Destroys. Why should he care? He has no reason to. Especially considerin he himself states you will die.

2. Loooooong odds.

And yes this is just me chipping in further chipping AT these arguments.

EDIT: I edited my last post. 

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 08 juin 2012 - 11:55 .

[HellishFiend]

TJBartlemus wrote...

If Starchild lives in the Citadel, why does he need to have Sovereign even be there? He of course knows what is going on in the galaxy cause the governments are there and he can just press the secret "bring the reapers" button from there. Absolutly no need for a Reaper, and the chance that a being could discover the reaper that was left, like Saren, and warn everyone.

My answer is that the entire affair is pointless, since the question itself lends to the conclusion that Starchild is in fact not what he claims to be. 

My devil's advocate answer would be that whatever the Ilos Prothean scientist team did to the Citadel prevented Starchild from doing anything at all until someone went in to fix it. That is weak though, due to contradictions in Starchild's dialog. 

[HellishFiend]

Arian Dynas wrote...


1. Why would he? He does't paticuarly care enough to save Shepard in any other ending, let alone the lower EMS Destroys. Why should he care? He has no reason to. Especially considerin he himself states you will die.

2. Loooooong odds.

And yes this is just me chipping in further chipping AT these arguments.

I agree with both of those contentions 100%. 

[HellishFiend]

Andromidius wrote...

Literalists are still claiming that scene is on the Citadel, aren't they? Or did they give that one up?

They probably still do, but I've honestly tried very hard to objectively come up with a "Shep is on the Citadel in the Breath scene" scenario, and I really just cant. Not even one that is as much of a stretch as the ones I mentioned above for Shep falling to Earth....

[Arian Dynas]

Really Salient, your REAL problem is thinking you can get a logical argument against IT we've already got the logical people on OUR side

EDIT: I edited my last post.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 08 juin 2012 - 11:55 .

[HellishFiend]

paxxton wrote...

EDIT2: My truly intellectual and analytical answer is to point you to the beam from the Crucible. When the camera shows it after you make a choice there is a bright sphere coming down from it. This might be Shepard being transported back to Earth.

I thought about that, but wasnt able to strongly consider it, because we dont even really have a strong reason to believe that beam has anything to do with the Conduit. It is, after all, coming from the Crucible, not the Citadel, and the Conduit is 100% Citadel owned and operated. I dont believe that the beam can serve a double purpose of mimicking Conduit functionality as well as serving its space magic purpose. 

[HellishFiend]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Really Salient, your REAL problem is thinking you can get a logical argument against IT we've already got the logical people on OUR side

My thoughts exactly, however I felt his well thought out question deserved an equally thought out (as much as possible, anyway) answer. 

[Andromidius]

HellishFiend wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Literalists are still claiming that scene is on the Citadel, aren't they? Or did they give that one up?

They probably still do, but I've honestly tried very hard to objectively come up with a "Shep is on the Citadel in the Breath scene" scenario, and I really just cant. Not even one that is as much of a stretch as the ones I mentioned above for Shep falling to Earth....

Well I suppose Shepard could have somehow have held his breath and found a helmet drifting in the wreckage.  I mean you don't see his head...

Oh no wait, that's stupid.  So stupid someone might actually start taking it seriously.

[HellishFiend]

paxxton wrote...

EDIT3: Also, Shepard could be riding a Citadel arm down to London. It would explain how he survived reentry.

How did he get to the citadel arm, and how did he fall off the citadel arm and wind up in Earth rubble?

Also, cut out the massive edit chain, you're going to make me feel compelled to go back and triple check each page for edits! 

[paxxton]

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EDIT2: My truly intellectual and analytical answer is to point you to the beam from the Crucible. When the camera shows it after you make a choice there is a bright sphere coming down from it. This might be Shepard being transported back to Earth.

I thought about that, but wasnt able to strongly consider it, because we dont even really have a strong reason to believe that beam has anything to do with the Conduit. It is, after all, coming from the Crucible, not the Citadel, and the Conduit is 100% Citadel owned and operated. I dont believe that the beam can serve a double purpose of mimicking Conduit functionality as well as serving its space magic purpose. 

You might be right. The Crucible is facing away from Earth anyway.

I added a 3rd EDIT to my post.

EDIT: You've already checked it out.

Modifié par paxxton, 08 juin 2012 - 11:50 .

[Fingertrip]

I don't quite understand why people are still not convinced enough just by the fact that your eyes- go bloody Saren/TIM like when picking Synthesis and Control, whereas Destroy has no changes.

I mean, seriously- what's the point otherwise to showcase the eyes? Nothing? I don't just get it. It should be one fo the most blatant and obvious stuff that should persuade people who actually played Mass Effect to understand the outcome of the game. The moment I caught a glimpse of the eyes, I realised a player just did something REALLY REALLY bad.