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[Lord Goose]

Banshee actually have black eyes.
Collector General had yellow.
Sovereign in Saren's body read.
Indoctrinated salarians had the same eye color as normal ones.
Benezia and her asari commandos too.
Rachni had same eye color , both normal and indoctrinated one.
Do I have to continue?

[Lord Goose]

Banshee actually have black eyes.
Collector General had yellow.
Sovereign in Saren's body read.
Indoctrinated salarians had the same eye color as normal ones.
Benezia and her asari commandos too.
Rachni had same eye color , both normal and indoctrinated one.
Do I have to continue?

[paxxton]

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EDIT3: Also, Shepard could be riding a Citadel arm down to London. It would explain how he survived reentry.

How did he get to the citadel arm, and how did he fall off the citadel arm and wind up in Earth rubble?

Also, cut out the massive edit chain, you're going to make me feel compelled to go back and triple check each page for edits! 

He could have been thrown to a Citadel arm by a wave from the blast and ride it like a space snowboard.

Modifié par paxxton, 09 juin 2012 - 12:00 .

[Arian Dynas]

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EDIT3: Also, Shepard could be riding a Citadel arm down to London. It would explain how he survived reentry.

How did he get to the citadel arm, and how did he fall off the citadel arm and wind up in Earth rubble?

Also, cut out the massive edit chain, you're going to make me feel compelled to go back and triple check each page for edits! 

I Edited my last post.

EDIT: I edited this post.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 08 juin 2012 - 11:55 .

[paxxton]

We have a special guest! Welcome!

[HellishFiend]

Fingertrip wrote...

I don't quite understand why people are still not convinced enough just by the fact that your eyes- go bloody Saren/TIM like when picking Synthesis and Control, whereas Destroy has no changes.

I mean, seriously- what's the point otherwise to showcase the eyes? Nothing? I don't just get it. It should be one fo the most blatant and obvious stuff that should persuade people who actually played Mass Effect to understand the outcome of the game. The moment I caught a glimpse of the eyes, I realised a player just did something REALLY REALLY bad.

They consider it debunked on the grounds that Benezia and other Indoctrinated folk dont sport the blue eyes. They are not considering that the blue eyes are widely believed to be caused only by exposure only to certain types of Reaper devices or implanted indoctrination tech, as seen in the first comic. 

[Andromidius]

Lord Goose wrote...

Banshee actually have black eyes.
Collector General had yellow.
Sovereign in Saren's body read.
Indoctrinated salarians had the same eye color as normal ones.
Benezia and her asari commandos too.
Rachni had same eye color , both normal and indoctrinated one.
Do I have to continue?

Sure.  Because you're still ignoring the fact Shepard's eyes change colour.

[Arian Dynas]

Lord Goose wrote...

Banshee actually have black eyes.
Collector General had yellow.
Sovereign in Saren's body read.
Indoctrinated salarians had the same eye color as normal ones.
Benezia and her asari commandos too.
Rachni had same eye color , both normal and indoctrinated one.
Do I have to continue?

Sovereign's are red,
Saren had blue.
Your argument stinks
and so do you. 

:devil:

EDIT: Yes I absolutely am being faceitous.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 08 juin 2012 - 11:57 .

[Big Bad]

Salient Archer wrote...

Ok guys, time to help me out. It's near imposible to get a sensible answer from anyone outside of this forum so the question I'd like you guys to ponder is this:

'Please explain from a literalist perspective where Shepard is during the breath scene and how did Shepard get there?

Please only use in-game and in-universe evidence as I will not accept "the starchild is malevolent" crap."

Also bear in mind the following:

-the size and intensity of the blast
-what possible exits Shepard has that we see in the cinematic
-kinetic barriers can not withstand high temperatures or radiation
-the time that takes place between the tube destruction and the citadel explosion
-the general laws of physics and thermodynamics
-the environment(s) Shepard would be subjected to

Obviously I'm very pro-ITD but remember Iron-Sharpens-Iron and I'm honestly just curious what truly intelectual and analytical minds could come up with from a literalist perspective.

Quick, somebody page EpyonX3.  This is totally his beat!

[TJBartlemus]

Fingertrip wrote...

I don't quite understand why people are still not convinced enough just by the fact that your eyes- go bloody Saren/TIM like when picking Synthesis and Control, whereas Destroy has no changes.

I mean, seriously- what's the point otherwise to showcase the eyes? Nothing? I don't just get it. It should be one fo the most blatant and obvious stuff that should persuade people who actually played Mass Effect to understand the outcome of the game. The moment I caught a glimpse of the eyes, I realised a player just did something REALLY REALLY bad.

Well it is not as obvious as a giant sign saying: "Well after all this time of saving the galaxy you just F'd up and now YOU LOST. Want to play again?" I think that would tick a lot of people off in my opinion.

BioWare just doesn't want to be the bad guy and say, "Well you made the wrong decision in the end it was all for nothing." No they want to be the good guy and make it so no matter what you win, (In varying degrees) and if your team or earth doesn't survive it was your fault.

[Fingertrip]

The point still stands if they think that's debunking. (Which is just flat out ridicilous)

What IS THE POINT of the eye-changing at the end? The camera is angled in such matter to make it also seen by the player as well, in all of the endings as well. Why did they decide to show that destroy had no what-so-ever changes to the eyes? Why would your eyes change even in the first place?

I don't know, but has it not come across people's mind that maybe the specific "eye transformation" is a mere-selection of the Indoctrinated individuals. Seeing as the eye-changes are only made to key-and vital Indoctrinated Figures, such as specifically Saren and The Illusive Man. Both figures weren't exactly raging lunatics, both instead had some "humanity" left in them and were able to operate to quiet good, and not be a brainless hoard, or so to say.

Well it is not as obvious as a giant sign saying: "Well after all
this time of saving the galaxy you just F'd up and now YOU LOST. Want to
play again?" I think that would tick a lot of people off in my opinion.


BioWare just doesn't want to be the bad guy and say, "Well you
made the wrong decision in the end it was all for nothing." No they want
to be the good guy and make it so no matter what you win, (In varying
degrees) and if your team or earth doesn't survive it was your fault.

Naturally, I don't expect it be a giant fail. I'd guess eventho Saren and TIM were indoctrinated, they managed to achieve some redemption. You'd maybe expect something bad to occur, like hell- Shepard dying in both of those options- but a possibility is that you need to wrap up quickly before pulling the plug, whereas Destroy might give you no time limit and ... well, a different outcome in general that is more on the leaning of a good outcome.

Hell, if there's a final confrontation versus Harbinger, imagine if you ended up fighting against him regardless, but in "Indoctrinated" mode, and your surrounding was oily, blurry and uncertain. Hell, you'd end up shooting your friends, eventho they do appear as villains. Whereas in Destroy, your vision is clear and you know who's the ally/foe. Just seeing something like that in my head would be quiet epic.

Least in that sense, you'd be fooling Shepard/The Player, but still make him able to save the galaxy, but at what cost? Maybe if you play the synthesis/control propertly, you might avoid complete diseaster by killing friends/allies- but you're always going to have to end up pulling the plug- but going out with a bang.

In that regard, I believe they could conjure alot of different outcomes based on who got killed/survived the final confrontation before the war is won. 

Modifié par Fingertrip, 09 juin 2012 - 12:08 .

[HellishFiend]

Arian Dynas wrote...


I Edited my last post.

EDIT: I edited this post.

Deceit! Trickery! I followed the chain of edits to a dead end!

[FFZero]

Fingertrip wrote...

I don't quite understand why people are still not convinced enough just by the fact that your eyes- go bloody Saren/TIM like when picking Synthesis and Control, whereas Destroy has no changes.

I mean, seriously- what's the point otherwise to showcase the eyes? Nothing? I don't just get it. It should be one fo the most blatant and obvious stuff that should persuade people who actually played Mass Effect to understand the outcome of the game. The moment I caught a glimpse of the eyes, I realised a player just did something REALLY REALLY bad.

Denial most likely. They don’t want to believe that they’ve picked the wrong option, despite evidence to the contrary, or they find it impossible to engage their brains and use logic to connect the dots. I mean if you’re operating under the belief that starbrat isn’t lying why show the eyes at all? Considering in both control and synthesis Shepard is disintegrated why add that little bit unless there’s a meaning behind it.

[Salient Archer]

It just goes to show that if some of the minds I respect the most can't come up with an in-game/in-universe example that doesn't use some form of additional explanation or the implementation of technology we don't see or have never seen before than it explains why the closed-minded literalists can't answer it.

[Big Bad]

Lord Goose wrote...

Banshee actually have black eyes.
Collector General had yellow.
Sovereign in Saren's body read.
Indoctrinated salarians had the same eye color as normal ones.
Benezia and her asari commandos too.
Rachni had same eye color , both normal and indoctrinated one.
Do I have to continue?

It has been established, in canon, that TIM's eyes were changed to as a result of him having contact with some sort of Reaper artifact.  And then, Shepard's eyes mirror TIM's in the controly/synthesis endings.  And you think that this isn't significant?

[HellishFiend]

Big Bad wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...

Banshee actually have black eyes.
Collector General had yellow.
Sovereign in Saren's body read.
Indoctrinated salarians had the same eye color as normal ones.
Benezia and her asari commandos too.
Rachni had same eye color , both normal and indoctrinated one.
Do I have to continue?

It has been established, in canon, that TIM's eyes were changed to as a result of him having contact with some sort of Reaper artifact.  And then, Shepard's eyes mirror TIM's in the controly/synthesis endings.  And you think that this isn't significant?

Next thing they'll say is there is no proof that TIM was indoctrinated or under any sort of Reaper influence.  He just Kwazy. 

[Electra77]

Arian Dynas wrote...

...

Because as we have seen, Reaper technology, by it's very nature is deleterious, even standing in it's presence can begin the indoctrination process, no good could come of it, look at what happened to Kar-Shan, they studied the Leviathan of Dis and the whole planet fell because of it. The ends do NOT justify the means.

Not all reaper tech is deleterious, the Turians used tech from Sovereign to create Thanix cannons (that you then install onthe Normandy).  EDI uses reaper teach as well.  The geth use reaper tech to become autonomously sentient beings.  Not to mention the mass relays are reaper tech.  The example you give is of a reaper who ends up indoctrinating those who study it.  It is not clear whether you can be indoctrinated on the collector base.  What would be the purpose, honestly?  It is a processing facility used to take organic life to create reapers.  What could be more valuable in terms of intelligence?  What if the only way to save the galaxy was by saving that base?  You wouldn't use it?  Hate to throw out an NRA argument here, but the reapers and collectors killed those people.  The techonology just facilitated.  I don't think this is an ends-justify-the-means question at all.  It is does misuse of technology taint it. 

[Big Bad]

HellishFiend wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...

Banshee actually have black eyes.
Collector General had yellow.
Sovereign in Saren's body read.
Indoctrinated salarians had the same eye color as normal ones.
Benezia and her asari commandos too.
Rachni had same eye color , both normal and indoctrinated one.
Do I have to continue?

It has been established, in canon, that TIM's eyes were changed to as a result of him having contact with some sort of Reaper artifact.  And then, Shepard's eyes mirror TIM's in the controly/synthesis endings.  And you think that this isn't significant?

Next thing they'll say is there is no proof that TIM was indoctrinated or under any sort of Reaper influence.  He just Kwazy. 

He's mad I tell you!  MAAADDDD!

Modifié par Big Bad, 09 juin 2012 - 12:10 .

[Salient Archer]

paxxton wrote...
He could have been thrown to a Citadel arm by a wave from the blast and ride it like a space snowboard.

This i'll consider just because it would be damn cool cinematic if it was done in a retro Dark Star kind of way, even it'll make everyone's minds collectively explode at once.

[Arian Dynas]

HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...


I Edited my last post.

EDIT: I edited this post.

Deceit! Trickery! I followed the chain of edits to a dead end!

I so love being evil. 

[Arian Dynas]

Salient Archer wrote...

It just goes to show that if some of the minds I respect the most can't come up with an in-game/in-universe example that doesn't use some form of additional explanation or the implementation of technology we don't see or have never seen before than it explains why the closed-minded literalists can't answer it.

Awww:wub:

By the way, have you read the rewrite of my script? You can see the most recent edition in my script.

[HellishFiend]

Electra77 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

...

Because as we have seen, Reaper technology, by it's very nature is deleterious, even standing in it's presence can begin the indoctrination process, no good could come of it, look at what happened to Kar-Shan, they studied the Leviathan of Dis and the whole planet fell because of it. The ends do NOT justify the means.

Not all reaper tech is deleterious, the Turians used tech from Sovereign to create Thanix cannons (that you then install onthe Normandy).  EDI uses reaper teach as well.  The geth use reaper tech to become autonomously sentient beings.  Not to mention the mass relays are reaper tech.  The example you give is of a reaper who ends up indoctrinating those who study it.  It is not clear whether you can be indoctrinated on the collector base.  What would be the purpose, honestly?  It is a processing facility used to take organic life to create reapers.  What could be more valuable in terms of intelligence?  What if the only way to save the galaxy was by saving that base?  You wouldn't use it?  Hate to throw out an NRA argument here, but the reapers and collectors killed those people.  The techonology just facilitated.  I don't think this is an ends-justify-the-means question at all.  It is does misuse of technology taint it. 

To be fair, an audio expert who also happens to be an IT theorist acted on a hunch and discovered that there is infrasonic noise being generated on the Normandy. We're working on getting some proof put together, and it's difficult because it requires specific equipment. The majority of sound systems will not attempt to reproduce infrasonic frequencies, since they are inaudible.

If we can definitively prove this, then any Reaper tech or Reaper influenced tech such as the Thanix cannon is fair game as a possible source of that infrasonic sound. 

[Big Bad]

I'mma go play some PC MP. If anybody wants to join me, my username is someotherguy86

Modifié par Big Bad, 09 juin 2012 - 12:12 .

[Salient Archer]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

It just goes to show that if some of the minds I respect the most can't come up with an in-game/in-universe example that doesn't use some form of additional explanation or the implementation of technology we don't see or have never seen before than it explains why the closed-minded literalists can't answer it.

Awww:wub:

By the way, have you read the rewrite of my script? You can see the most recent edition in my script.

 I didn't know you had done it yet?!?! - Uploading it to my iPad™ for reading right NOW!

Modifié par Salient Archer, 09 juin 2012 - 12:15 .

[UrgentArchengel]

We're back to eyes again? Shepard's eyes are not only inverted, they also have wire running through them...why wires, especially reaper wires. The eyes are a big deal, but can you deal with it?