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[Arian Dynas]

Electra77 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

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Because as we have seen, Reaper technology, by it's very nature is deleterious, even standing in it's presence can begin the indoctrination process, no good could come of it, look at what happened to Kar-Shan, they studied the Leviathan of Dis and the whole planet fell because of it. The ends do NOT justify the means.

Not all reaper tech is deleterious, the Turians used tech from Sovereign to create Thanix cannons (that you then install onthe Normandy).  EDI uses reaper teach as well.  The geth use reaper tech to become autonomously sentient beings.  Not to mention the mass relays are reaper tech.  The example you give is of a reaper who ends up indoctrinating those who study it.  It is not clear whether you can be indoctrinated on the collector base.  What would be the purpose, honestly?  It is a processing facility used to take organic life to create reapers.  What could be more valuable in terms of intelligence?  What if the only way to save the galaxy was by saving that base?  You wouldn't use it?  Hate to throw out an NRA argument here, but the reapers and collectors killed those people.  The techonology just facilitated.  I don't think this is an ends-justify-the-means question at all.  It is does misuse of technology taint it. 

All the examples you are using are things DERIVED from Reaper tech.

They derived tech from him, saving the Collector base is different, it's intact, this is us being given the future, using dead Reapers is taking it for ourselves, the end is the same, but the journey is different.

But either way, the tech itself is not important in the context of IT, it's the fact that Shepard made the concious choice to let something created by the Reapers live. Read the EMS analysis in Salient Archer's sig for a better, more verbose and longwinded version.

[Salient Archer]

HellishFiend wrote...

Electra77 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

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Because as we have seen, Reaper technology, by it's very nature is deleterious, even standing in it's presence can begin the indoctrination process, no good could come of it, look at what happened to Kar-Shan, they studied the Leviathan of Dis and the whole planet fell because of it. The ends do NOT justify the means.

Not all reaper tech is deleterious, the Turians used tech from Sovereign to create Thanix cannons (that you then install onthe Normandy).  EDI uses reaper teach as well.  The geth use reaper tech to become autonomously sentient beings.  Not to mention the mass relays are reaper tech.  The example you give is of a reaper who ends up indoctrinating those who study it.  It is not clear whether you can be indoctrinated on the collector base.  What would be the purpose, honestly?  It is a processing facility used to take organic life to create reapers.  What could be more valuable in terms of intelligence?  What if the only way to save the galaxy was by saving that base?  You wouldn't use it?  Hate to throw out an NRA argument here, but the reapers and collectors killed those people.  The techonology just facilitated.  I don't think this is an ends-justify-the-means question at all.  It is does misuse of technology taint it. 

To be fair, an audio expert who also happens to be an IT theorist acted on a hunch and discovered that there is infrasonic noise being generated on the Normandy. We're working on getting some proof put together, and it's difficult because it requires specific equipment. The majority of sound systems will not attempt to reproduce infrasonic frequencies, since they are inaudible.

If we can definitively prove this, then any Reaper tech or Reaper influenced tech such as the Thanix cannon is fair game as a possible source of that infrasonic sound. 

If you can get me a copy of the audio files in question I have a friend who might just have the equipment we need.

[Arian Dynas]

Salient Archer wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

It just goes to show that if some of the minds I respect the most can't come up with an in-game/in-universe example that doesn't use some form of additional explanation or the implementation of technology we don't see or have never seen before than it explains why the closed-minded literalists can't answer it.

Awww:wub:

By the way, have you read the rewrite of my script? You can see the most recent edition in my script.

 I didn't know you had done it yet?!?! - Uploading it to my iPad™ for reading right NOW!

Yep. Most of the things I promised, delivered, this will probably be the last incarnation of this script for the simple fact that I am starting to belive it less, they have all but flat out said the EC will have gameplay, and I am slowly being converted to the camp that says the entire London Mission is a hallucination as Shepard lies comatose in the rubble of the shuttle crash and the rest of the squad is trying to stabilize him.

Oh and Coates is a hallucination, rather than a Reaper agent, because I couldn't find a way to make him a Reaper agent in a timely enough manner without completely ****ing up the pacing.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 09 juin 2012 - 12:21 .

[Arian Dynas]

Salient Archer wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Electra77 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

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Because as we have seen, Reaper technology, by it's very nature is deleterious, even standing in it's presence can begin the indoctrination process, no good could come of it, look at what happened to Kar-Shan, they studied the Leviathan of Dis and the whole planet fell because of it. The ends do NOT justify the means.

Not all reaper tech is deleterious, the Turians used tech from Sovereign to create Thanix cannons (that you then install onthe Normandy).  EDI uses reaper teach as well.  The geth use reaper tech to become autonomously sentient beings.  Not to mention the mass relays are reaper tech.  The example you give is of a reaper who ends up indoctrinating those who study it.  It is not clear whether you can be indoctrinated on the collector base.  What would be the purpose, honestly?  It is a processing facility used to take organic life to create reapers.  What could be more valuable in terms of intelligence?  What if the only way to save the galaxy was by saving that base?  You wouldn't use it?  Hate to throw out an NRA argument here, but the reapers and collectors killed those people.  The techonology just facilitated.  I don't think this is an ends-justify-the-means question at all.  It is does misuse of technology taint it. 

To be fair, an audio expert who also happens to be an IT theorist acted on a hunch and discovered that there is infrasonic noise being generated on the Normandy. We're working on getting some proof put together, and it's difficult because it requires specific equipment. The majority of sound systems will not attempt to reproduce infrasonic frequencies, since they are inaudible.

If we can definitively prove this, then any Reaper tech or Reaper influenced tech such as the Thanix cannon is fair game as a possible source of that infrasonic sound. 

If you can get me a copy of the audio files in question I have a friend who might just have the equipment we need.

Ask TSA then, he can hook ya up.

[Andromidius]

Big Bad wrote...

I'mma go play some PC MP. If anybody wants to join me, my username is someotherguy86

Off topic, but how do you join games with other people anyway?  The system seems...well, counter-intuitive.

Edit: Should say, how do I party up with people?

Modifié par Andromidius, 09 juin 2012 - 12:19 .

[HellishFiend]

Salient Archer wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

To be fair, an audio expert who also happens to be an IT theorist acted on a hunch and discovered that there is infrasonic noise being generated on the Normandy. We're working on getting some proof put together, and it's difficult because it requires specific equipment. The majority of sound systems will not attempt to reproduce infrasonic frequencies, since they are inaudible.

If we can definitively prove this, then any Reaper tech or Reaper influenced tech such as the Thanix cannon is fair game as a possible source of that infrasonic sound. 

If you can get me a copy of the audio files in question I have a friend who might just have the equipment we need.

I dont have the PC version, so I cant help with that, unfortunately. I'm also not aware of what file to even look for, as he found the noise during gameplay and not by digging through the files. 

[Salient Archer]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Electra77 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

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Because as we have seen, Reaper technology, by it's very nature is deleterious, even standing in it's presence can begin the indoctrination process, no good could come of it, look at what happened to Kar-Shan, they studied the Leviathan of Dis and the whole planet fell because of it. The ends do NOT justify the means.

Not all reaper tech is deleterious, the Turians used tech from Sovereign to create Thanix cannons (that you then install onthe Normandy).  EDI uses reaper teach as well.  The geth use reaper tech to become autonomously sentient beings.  Not to mention the mass relays are reaper tech.  The example you give is of a reaper who ends up indoctrinating those who study it.  It is not clear whether you can be indoctrinated on the collector base.  What would be the purpose, honestly?  It is a processing facility used to take organic life to create reapers.  What could be more valuable in terms of intelligence?  What if the only way to save the galaxy was by saving that base?  You wouldn't use it?  Hate to throw out an NRA argument here, but the reapers and collectors killed those people.  The techonology just facilitated.  I don't think this is an ends-justify-the-means question at all.  It is does misuse of technology taint it. 

All the examples you are using are things DERIVED from Reaper tech.

They derived tech from him, saving the Collector base is different, it's intact, this is us being given the future, using dead Reapers is taking it for ourselves, the end is the same, but the journey is different.

But either way, the tech itself is not important in the context of IT, it's the fact that Shepard made the concious choice to let something created by the Reapers live. Read the EMS analysis in Salient Archer's sig for a better, more verbose and longwinded version.

Just going to drop this here: http://social.biowar...3/2141#11952209 I don't ask for you to agree with it, but just read it with an open mind .. and yes, it is very, very longwinded.

[HellishFiend]

Salient Archer wrote...


Just going to drop this here: http://social.biowar...3/2141#11952209 I don't ask for you to agree with it, but just read it with an open mind .. and yes, it is very, very longwinded.

Just for the record, I want you to know that I do agree with the vast majority of your EMS theory. It was just one particular point I disagreed on, and I cant even remember what it was, so it must not have been very important.

[TJBartlemus]

A little off topic, but does it seem sad to anyone else that the best piece of software coming to the new Wii U is ME3? I mean it's cool, but with the new hardware, they could do soo much better. I feel sorry for Nintendo on the Wii U if the only game that get's people excited for it is ME3. For something original seems too far fetched, isn't it?

edit: It's not an attack on the Wii U, just on the fact that they need to show something no one has seen yet that could get us excited for it, that's all.

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 09 juin 2012 - 12:33 .

[paxxton]

TJBartlemus wrote...

A little off topic, but does it seem sad to anyone else that the best piece of software coming to the new Wii U is ME3? I mean it's cool, but with the new hardware, they could do soo much better. I feel sorry for Nintendo on the Wii U if the only game that get's people excited for it is ME3. For something original seems too far fetched, isn't it?

edit: It's not an attack on the Wii U, just on the fact that they need to show something no one has seen yet that could get us excited for it, that's all.

With Microsoft SmartGlass coming soon they might really have a hard time getting a decent consumer base. Depends on the price then. Nevertheless, Wii U seemed like a nice console. And you get new Mario games.
 
Did anyone saw that interview with Casey Hudson on March 5th? He mentioned that they were working on porting ME3 to a new platform without stating explicitly to which platform. Now we know it's Wii U.

Modifié par paxxton, 09 juin 2012 - 12:41 .

[HellishFiend]

TJBartlemus wrote...

A little off topic, but does it seem sad to anyone else that the best piece of software coming to the new Wii U is ME3? I mean it's cool, but with the new hardware, they could do soo much better. I feel sorry for Nintendo on the Wii U if the only game that get's people excited for it is ME3. For something original seems too far fetched, isn't it?

edit: It's not an attack on the Wii U, just on the fact that they need to show something no one has seen yet that could get us excited for it, that's all.

We need a new, more poweful console to play the same game that is already available on other, less expensive consoles. 

And it needs to be after the big plot twist is revealed, without any of the previous games to go along with it. 

That's how my next gen gaming needs to be. 

edit: and it needs to have a giant controller. Huge, really. With a screen.

edit2: make it a touch screen. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 09 juin 2012 - 12:44 .

[TJBartlemus]

HellishFiend wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...


Just going to drop this here: http://social.biowar...3/2141#11952209 I don't ask for you to agree with it, but just read it with an open mind .. and yes, it is very, very longwinded.

Just for the record, I want you to know that I do agree with the vast majority of your EMS theory. It was just one particular point I disagreed on, and I cant even remember what it was, so it must not have been very important.

Yeah I agree with your theory. Seems quite explained and thought out. How long did it take you to write that and get all the details right? Very well done.:happy:

[TJBartlemus]

HellishFiend wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

A little off topic, but does it seem sad to anyone else that the best piece of software coming to the new Wii U is ME3? I mean it's cool, but with the new hardware, they could do soo much better. I feel sorry for Nintendo on the Wii U if the only game that get's people excited for it is ME3. For something original seems too far fetched, isn't it?

edit: It's not an attack on the Wii U, just on the fact that they need to show something no one has seen yet that could get us excited for it, that's all.

We need a new, more poweful console to play the same game that is already available on other, less expensive consoles. 

And it needs to be after the big plot twist is revealed, without any of the previous games to go along with it. 

That's how my next gen gaming needs to be. 

edit: and it needs to have a giant controller. Huge, really. With a screen.

edit2: and a touch screen. 

I wonder with Extended content and the game going to Wii U, if they are going to make a game of the year edition of ME3?

[HellishFiend]

TJBartlemus wrote...

I wonder with Extended content and the game going to Wii U, if they are going to make a game of the year edition of ME3?

I'm picturing trilogy box sets for PC and 360. Not sure what theyll do for PS3 though. 

[paxxton]

HellishFiend wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

I wonder with Extended content and the game going to Wii U, if they are going to make a game of the year edition of ME3?

I'm picturing trilogy box sets for PC and 360. Not sure what theyll do for PS3 though. 

Are they even allowed to if they don't win the GOTY contest or aren't at least nominated?

Modifié par paxxton, 09 juin 2012 - 12:50 .

[shteuyn]

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

I wonder with Extended content and the game going to Wii U, if they are going to make a game of the year edition of ME3?

I'm picturing trilogy box sets for PC and 360. Not sure what theyll do for PS3 though. 

Are they even allowed to if they don't win the GOTY contest or aren't at least nominated?

Any magazine or website can award a GOTY to a game. So any award from any entity counts

[GethPrimeMKII]

Salient Archer wrote...

Ok guys, time to help me out. It's near imposible to get a sensible answer from anyone outside of this forum so the question I'd like you guys to ponder is this:

'Please explain from a literalist perspective where Shepard is during the breath scene and how did Shepard get there?

Please only use in-game and in-universe evidence as I will not accept "the starchild is malevolent" crap."

Also bear in mind the following:

-the size and intensity of the blast
-what possible exits Shepard has that we see in the cinematic
-kinetic barriers can not withstand high temperatures or radiation
-the time that takes place between the tube destruction and the citadel explosion
-the general laws of physics and thermodynamics
-the environment(s) Shepard would be subjected to

Obviously I'm very pro-ITD but remember Iron-Sharpens-Iron and I'm honestly just curious what truly intelectual and analytical minds could come up with from a literalist perspective.

If its not too late to take a crack at tis question, I think I can answer all your questions with just one piece of evidence.



Perfect explanation right there.

[Rifneno]

TJBartlemus wrote...

A little off topic, but does it seem sad to anyone else that the best piece of software coming to the new Wii U is ME3? I mean it's cool, but with the new hardware, they could do soo much better. I feel sorry for Nintendo on the Wii U if the only game that get's people excited for it is ME3. For something original seems too far fetched, isn't it?

edit: It's not an attack on the Wii U, just on the fact that they need to show something no one has seen yet that could get us excited for it, that's all.

Pfft.  I'm only surprised Nintenblow made a system that can handle ME3.  Here's how it works.  Take the specs for MS and Sony's systems.  Now pick some technology from half a decade before those parts were invented.  That's the bargin bin trash Nintendo will use.  Then they'll toss in a ridiculous controller and call it "innovative", or at least moreso than their competitors that are inventing new types of processors for their consoles rather than using ones from old calculators.  What one should be more concerned about is how Mass Effect will play out on a console made by such censorhappy tightwads that they've made third party developers change all references of alcohol to "soda pop."  I'm guessing not well.

...  Yeah, you could say I'm not a fan.

[byne]

Rifneno wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

A little off topic, but does it seem sad to anyone else that the best piece of software coming to the new Wii U is ME3? I mean it's cool, but with the new hardware, they could do soo much better. I feel sorry for Nintendo on the Wii U if the only game that get's people excited for it is ME3. For something original seems too far fetched, isn't it?

edit: It's not an attack on the Wii U, just on the fact that they need to show something no one has seen yet that could get us excited for it, that's all.

Pfft.  I'm only surprised Nintenblow made a system that can handle ME3.  Here's how it works.  Take the specs for MS and Sony's systems.  Now pick some technology from half a decade before those parts were invented.  That's the bargin bin trash Nintendo will use.  Then they'll toss in a ridiculous controller and call it "innovative", or at least moreso than their competitors that are inventing new types of processors for their consoles rather than using ones from old calculators.  What one should be more concerned about is how Mass Effect will play out on a console made by such censorhappy tightwads that they've made third party developers change all references of alcohol to "soda pop."  I'm guessing not well.

...  Yeah, you could say I'm not a fan.

Oh man, can you imagine if Shepard went to drink Ryncol and the bartender is all 'Be careful, that soda pop hits aliens like ground glass!'

[Rifneno]

byne wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

A little off topic, but does it seem sad to anyone else that the best piece of software coming to the new Wii U is ME3? I mean it's cool, but with the new hardware, they could do soo much better. I feel sorry for Nintendo on the Wii U if the only game that get's people excited for it is ME3. For something original seems too far fetched, isn't it?

edit: It's not an attack on the Wii U, just on the fact that they need to show something no one has seen yet that could get us excited for it, that's all.

Pfft.  I'm only surprised Nintenblow made a system that can handle ME3.  Here's how it works.  Take the specs for MS and Sony's systems.  Now pick some technology from half a decade before those parts were invented.  That's the bargin bin trash Nintendo will use.  Then they'll toss in a ridiculous controller and call it "innovative", or at least moreso than their competitors that are inventing new types of processors for their consoles rather than using ones from old calculators.  What one should be more concerned about is how Mass Effect will play out on a console made by such censorhappy tightwads that they've made third party developers change all references of alcohol to "soda pop."  I'm guessing not well.

...  Yeah, you could say I'm not a fan.

Oh man, can you imagine if Shepard went to drink Ryncol and the bartender is all 'Be careful, that soda pop hits aliens like ground glass!'

Having once heard a bartender in an SNES game say "Sir, I think you've had enough sugar for one day"... yes, I honestly can.

[Arian Dynas]

Rifneno wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

A little off topic, but does it seem sad to anyone else that the best piece of software coming to the new Wii U is ME3? I mean it's cool, but with the new hardware, they could do soo much better. I feel sorry for Nintendo on the Wii U if the only game that get's people excited for it is ME3. For something original seems too far fetched, isn't it?

edit: It's not an attack on the Wii U, just on the fact that they need to show something no one has seen yet that could get us excited for it, that's all.

Pfft.  I'm only surprised Nintenblow made a system that can handle ME3.  Here's how it works.  Take the specs for MS and Sony's systems.  Now pick some technology from half a decade before those parts were invented.  That's the bargin bin trash Nintendo will use.  Then they'll toss in a ridiculous controller and call it "innovative", or at least moreso than their competitors that are inventing new types of processors for their consoles rather than using ones from old calculators.  What one should be more concerned about is how Mass Effect will play out on a console made by such censorhappy tightwads that they've made third party developers change all references of alcohol to "soda pop."  I'm guessing not well.

...  Yeah, you could say I'm not a fan.

Dude. Some of the games on the Wii include titles like Resident Evil. I doubt they'll censor ME3 if they really want to get it on the console.  

But yes I'm with you either way WiiU is prolly gonna suck. The Wii was their good strike of luck, cheap and well handled enough to win them alot of money, they won't have that same luck again.

[TJBartlemus]

You know how people were complaining about how EA i too focused on making money, like making possibilities for future ME games and first day DLC? Well this guy is either a genius or a nut. Hope it doesn't give EA an idea to make the EC availible to one person for a huge amount of money. (An you know whats sad? Is that someone would actually buy it.)

http://www.cinemable...-DLC-43383.html

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 09 juin 2012 - 01:22 .

[Electra77]

HellishFiend wrote...

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To be fair, an audio expert who also happens to be an IT theorist acted on a hunch and discovered that there is infrasonic noise being generated on the Normandy. We're working on getting some proof put together, and it's difficult because it requires specific equipment. The majority of sound systems will not attempt to reproduce infrasonic frequencies, since they are inaudible.

If we can definitively prove this, then any Reaper tech or Reaper influenced tech such as the Thanix cannon is fair game as a possible source of that infrasonic sound. 

Well, that could be EDI.  EDI analyzed the reaper IFF.  And turns out EDI was based in part on reaper tech.  So, why not EDI?  Not only has EDI indoctrinated Shepard, it has indoctinated Joker.  Everybody is wary of this AI at first, and then it wins them over.  Charming personality or indoctrination?

[Electra77]

Salient Archer wrote...

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Just going to drop this here: http://social.biowar...3/2141#11952209 I don't ask for you to agree with it, but just read it with an open mind .. and yes, it is very, very longwinded.

I read that in AD's reference post, and that was what I was quoting.  I was having trouble with the moral assessment of keeping the collector base as an immoral choice.  How did you arrive at that conclusion?  I don't see it in your referenced post.

[Arian Dynas]

TJBartlemus wrote...

You know how people were complaining about how EA i too focused on making money, like making possibilities for future ME games and first day DLC? Well this guy is either a genius or a nut. Hope it doesn't give EA an idea to make the EC availible to one person for a huge amount of money. (An you know whats sad? Is that someone would actually buy it.)

http://www.cinemable...-DLC-43383.html

That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. It's a brilliant publicity stunt, but that's the extent of it. Peter Molyneux is also the same moron you must remember, who thought that Fable III was the greatest RPG ever designed in the history of ever, since he made it.

Fable III being the game where interaction with NPCs extends to either dancing with them, or farting in their faces. Yes real intelligent Peter.