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[HellishFiend]

Turbo_J wrote...


EDI: was created using Reaper CODE - likely sanitized if not completely rewritten using Reaper code as a basis.

Geth: Upgraded using Reaper CODE - likely sanitized

Code is number and letters in programming language. It is not a physical substance. It is not Reaper 'TECH'

Derived = OK.
Re-purposed, maybe ok if you are lucky.
Acquired and used as is = Indoctrination fodder.

I look at it a bit differently. I think of Reaper code as the digital equivalent of whatever technology turns humans into husks. You impale something non-Reaper on a spike, and it becomes Reaper tech. 

Along those same lines, I think a scenario where you take technology that is, essentially, already based on Reaper tech to begin with, and merge it with further advanced Reaper code (sanitized or otherwise), the strong possibility exists that it could have an unintended result. 

[HellishFiend]

Arashi08 wrote...


According to Retribution, Grayson was the first Cerberus subject implanted with reaper tech, which took place AFTER the events of ME2.  So it doesn't seem very likely that Shepard could have possibly been given Reaper tech, since Grayson was the basis for Cerberus' implantation of their own troops.

That does seem logical. Are we sure though that Grayson was the first one to be implanted with Reaper tech of any kind though, or just the nanides?

[Arian Dynas]

dreamgazer wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Now, how clean is the TECH in Sheps body? That's a question I'd like answered.

If Shep's breathing in a literal interpretation of the destroy ending, then not enough to kill him. 

Enough to facilitate indoctrination?  I don't think so.  Wouldn't s/he have already been swayed by this point if that were the case, due to direct contact?

Shepard has been stated to be clean.

[Salient Archer]

Arian Dynas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...
That’s cool and I honestly think you and [mostly] everyone on this forum are brilliant people. I think you disagreed on the Shepard’s resolve part about the collector base. Anyway at the end of the day I'm just happy that we have a productive community on this forum that's intelligent and civil enough that we're happy to have divergent ideas but can still feel safe to freely express them.

Same here! Glad to have you back. 

Seconded. *brofist* 

Aww, shucks guys!, it's good to be back *brofists and safety hugs all 'round*

[Electra77]

Dwailing wrote...

....

No, it wasn't pointless.  You just essentially gave the Reapers the galaxy's biggest middle finger, and you just showed them that Shepard is more than just another organic for them to push around.  You've done something that NO organic that we know of has EVER done.  And I don't know if the Reapers understand fear, but you can be **** sure that I'm going to give them every opportunity and reason to do so.  

That we know of.  Exactly!  Reaper have been doing this for countless millenia.  They have most certainly encountered resistance.  If you think God child is reaper manipulation, why believe the ego-stroking tribute that no other organic has ever done this before?  So, you've given the reapers the finger.  Their response is inevitably: been there, done that.  Just because the protheans didn't get their act together to build the crucible didn't mean previous cycles did not.  And what would this symbolic finger mean?  You are mortally wounded on Earth.  Reaper fleets occupy the entire galaxy.  The military strength of the galaxy is trying to retake Earth to use an untested device in what ends up being a vain attempt to destroy the reapers.  Nice!

[dreamgazer]

Arian Dynas wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Now, how clean is the TECH in Sheps body? That's a question I'd like answered.

If Shep's breathing in a literal interpretation of the destroy ending, then not enough to kill him. 

Enough to facilitate indoctrination?  I don't think so.  Wouldn't s/he have already been swayed by this point if that were the case, due to direct contact?

Shepard has been stated to be clean.

I knew his/her brain and cognitive processes were deemed clean, but I wasn't sure about the other physiological stuff: spinal structure, ligaments and tendons, etc.

[Arashi08]

HellishFiend wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...


According to Retribution, Grayson was the first Cerberus subject implanted with reaper tech, which took place AFTER the events of ME2.  So it doesn't seem very likely that Shepard could have possibly been given Reaper tech, since Grayson was the basis for Cerberus' implantation of their own troops.

That does seem logical. Are we sure though that Grayson was the first one to be implanted with Reaper tech of any kind though, or just the nanides?

A good question, but I remember looking at the vids (or maybe a vid) on Chronos station mentioning how Grayson's implants had been instrumental in their work, yet they never mention in other footage about how much Shepard's implants have affected their research either. 

Still, this is a weak counterpoint.  A stronger one would likely be how TIM was adamant that Shepard be the same person she was before her death.  TIM was clear that he wanted THE Commander Shepard and not a tool that would follow orders.  Considering that it was highly likely that TIM and Cerberus knew about the Indoctrination effect Reaper tech had on people,  butbased on events like the Derelict Reaper, didn't understand how it worked I don't see him taking the chance that Shepard could become an indoctrinated servant, especially one that could end up working for the Reapers.

And of course there was the fact that Dr. Chakwas was able to scan your implants to check for anything nasty Cerberus left, I would assume she had an understanding of what Shepard's Implants consisted of.

[Salient Archer]

Dwailing wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...


Just going to drop this here: http://social.biowar...3/2141#11952209 I don't ask for you to agree with it, but just read it with an open mind .. and yes, it is very, very longwinded.

Just for the record, I want you to know that I do agree with the vast majority of your EMS theory. It was just one particular point I disagreed on, and I cant even remember what it was, so it must not have been very important.

Yeah I agree with your theory. Seems quite explained and thought out. How long did it take you to write that and get all the details right? Very well done.:happy:

The thought process was more of a vent to process what I initially had seen in the final scenes of the game. I honestly felt depressed after finishing it, and although I played as a mostly Paragon Shep I chose destroy on instinct alone, it was out of character but yet felt right and honest. I wanted to explore the part of my psyche that led me to that decision. So I then took the time to collect my thoughts, explored the extended lore and that eventually lead to that EMS system.

You know, I had my own theory about the EMS system a few dozen pages ago.  In addition to the idea that it represents Shepard's will power, I postulated that it could represent, in a slightly crazy sort of way, the degree to which the PLAYER is concerned with what happens.  If you have a low EMS, it means you didn't complete many side missions, and you didn't play much if any multiplayer.  Therefore, it can be safely assumed that you aren't as concerned about the outcome of the war and the game.  So, they give you one or, at most, two possible endings, and that's that.  If you play singleplayer but no multiplayer, you're more dedicated, and so, they give you synthesis, and a better version of control and destroy.  They assume you're more concerned with the outcome, so they give you better possible endings.  And finally, if you play multiplayer in addition to singleplayer, you can end up getting the breath scene after destroy.  You REALLY care about this universe, and you want some hope for the future, so that's what they give you.  Now, I know this sounds crazy, and it quite possibly (Probably? lol) is, but I figure it's speculation worthy.  Also, I know this maybe dips into literalist territory, but I do believe it could be tweaked slightly to fit IT.

Edit: I just had an addition.  The extra endings that come with a higher EMS might ALSO be an attempt to placate the players by giving them extra hope for the future, culminating in the breath scene.

I wouldn’t say it’s very farfetched at all as this was my initial reasoning for my EMS/Will Power concept in the first place.

I believe it already fits with indoctrination theory based from the concept Hudson had from the start “The Player ins’t controlling Shepard, the Player IS Shepard! ... Those who get an unsatisfactory ending never felt the need to build Shepard’s resolve, never cared enough to achieve the ultimate outcome so they never received the ultimate outcome and possibly felt cheated by that, the player (and Shepard) never had the will power or drive to pull it all together.

Whereas those who are truly invested in Shepard would feel the ramifications of the endings the most, especially those that chose destroy over the other endings, for me seeing Shepard waking up in the destroy ending was a big WTF? moment. That scene not only confused me but got me truly excited that everything I did to push forward, every side-mission, war asset and MP extraction I strived for actually made a difference to some extent, that my (and hence Shepard’s) will to win this battle, regardless of physical or in ITD’s case morally and psychologically was immutable and unconquerable.

[Arashi08]

Arashi08 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...


According to Retribution, Grayson was the first Cerberus subject implanted with reaper tech, which took place AFTER the events of ME2.  So it doesn't seem very likely that Shepard could have possibly been given Reaper tech, since Grayson was the basis for Cerberus' implantation of their own troops.

That does seem logical. Are we sure though that Grayson was the first one to be implanted with Reaper tech of any kind though, or just the nanides?

A good question, but I remember looking at the vids (or maybe a vid) on Chronos station mentioning how Grayson's implants had been instrumental in their work, yet they never mention in other footage about how much Shepard's implants have affected their research either. 

Still, this is a weak counterpoint.  A stronger one would likely be how TIM was adamant that Shepard be the same person she was before her death.  TIM was clear that he wanted THE Commander Shepard and not a tool that would follow orders.  Considering that it was highly likely that TIM and Cerberus knew about the Indoctrination effect Reaper tech had on people,  butbased on events like the Derelict Reaper, didn't understand how it worked I don't see him taking the chance that Shepard could become an indoctrinated servant, especially one that could end up working for the Reapers.

And of course there was the fact that Dr. Chakwas was able to scan your implants to check for anything nasty Cerberus left, I would assume she had an understanding of what Shepard's Implants consisted of.

There is one other thing I thought of.  During one of the N7 missions in ME3 you (supposedly) meet some of the scientists that worked on the Lazarus Project,  meaning that if Reaper tech was used in Shepard's reconstruction, they had access to it as well.  Yet, from what I remember it is never mentioned and there do not seem to be any records of them using Reaper tech.  Of course, they aren't very detailed about the Project much at all, but maybe I should replay ti to be sure...after I finish my double playthrough of ME1 and 2

[HellishFiend]

Arashi08 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...


According to Retribution, Grayson was the first Cerberus subject implanted with reaper tech, which took place AFTER the events of ME2.  So it doesn't seem very likely that Shepard could have possibly been given Reaper tech, since Grayson was the basis for Cerberus' implantation of their own troops.

That does seem logical. Are we sure though that Grayson was the first one to be implanted with Reaper tech of any kind though, or just the nanides?

A good question, but I remember looking at the vids (or maybe a vid) on Chronos station mentioning how Grayson's implants had been instrumental in their work, yet they never mention in other footage about how much Shepard's implants have affected their research either. 

Still, this is a weak counterpoint.  A stronger one would likely be how TIM was adamant that Shepard be the same person she was before her death.  TIM was clear that he wanted THE Commander Shepard and not a tool that would follow orders.  Considering that it was highly likely that TIM and Cerberus knew about the Indoctrination effect Reaper tech had on people,  butbased on events like the Derelict Reaper, didn't understand how it worked I don't see him taking the chance that Shepard could become an indoctrinated servant, especially one that could end up working for the Reapers.

And of course there was the fact that Dr. Chakwas was able to scan your implants to check for anything nasty Cerberus left, I would assume she had an understanding of what Shepard's Implants consisted of.

I would indeed be inclined to think that since the writers went through so much trouble to stress that TIM wanted Shepard back as Shepard, and to point out that Shepard was clean, that it means something of significance. 

I wasnt necessarily making a counterpoint to your idea, just offering a question up to help explore it further, which seems to have worked. 

[Turbo_J]

lol - You know, the Reaper on Rannoch kind of warns that control isn't a good idea if you renegade it.

'Look at the results of the Quarian's attempts to maintain control.' - (of the Geth)

[Electra77]

Turbo_J wrote...

I got sick of waiting and fixed my computer. 80MM fan attached to video card, some arctic silver for good measure... max load temp of 81C and it seems to work just fine. Lot quieter than the stock fan too.

So what I miss?

Oh, and on 'Reaper Tech' and EDI and the Geth...

EDI: was created using Reaper CODE - likely sanitized if not completely rewritten using Reaper code as a basis.

Geth: Upgraded using Reaper CODE - likely sanitized

Code is number and letters in programming language. It is not a physical substance. It is not Reaper 'TECH'

The way I see it , any unmodified Reaper hardware could pose a problem. Reaper TECH is the danger, not the program languages derived from Reaper code itself... as long as it's 'scrubbed' of course.

Think about the Geth dreadnaught and what Tali says about the Geth being integrated into the ship. Some Reaper tech may have independent, unintelligent programs that contribute to Indoctrination, including but not limited to infrasonic and ultrasonic noise production. Look at all the circuitry embedded into the skeleton of the Proto Reaper on Cronos.

The IFF had a virus embedded into it, but it was not an Indoctrination device. Reaper artifacts like Roe were deliberately designed to Indoctrinate. Even the derelict Reaper still had the capacity to indoctrinate. I think it's an element built into the structure of the Reaper, but it can be disabled, as it's just software and circuitry hidden in the hardware.

Now, how clean is the TECH in Sheps body? That's a question I'd like answered.

Derived = OK.
Re-purposed, maybe ok if you are lucky.
Acquired and used as is = Indoctrination fodder.

When Legion talks about Reaper processing, he says it is ineffible basically.  So, how does one scrub that code of "bad" elements?  Hardware argument does not make sense to me.  Hardware is meaningless without programming or something to control it.  And code being just programming language, well let me rephrase it as a program and not a language.  They aren't just taking Reaper COBOL and writing programs in my understanding.  They are taking a Reaper program that they can understand and repurposing for their needs.  That ultimately makes more senes than them fundamentally understanding the language in which reapers write their programs.

[HellishFiend]

Turbo_J wrote...

lol - You know, the Reaper on Rannoch kind of warns that control isn't a good idea if you renegade it.

'Look at the results of the Quarian's attempts to maintain control.' - (of the Geth)

In my playthrough, it was more like "Look at the results of the Quari-"  Shepard: "STFU!" *calls down orbital strike* 

[HellishFiend]

Electra77 wrote...

When Legion talks about Reaper processing, he says it is ineffible basically.  So, how does one scrub that code of "bad" elements?  Hardware argument does not make sense to me.  Hardware is meaningless without programming or something to control it.  And code being just programming language, well let me rephrase it as a program and not a language.  They aren't just taking Reaper COBOL and writing programs in my understanding.  They are taking a Reaper program that they can understand and repurposing for their needs.  That ultimately makes more senes than them fundamentally understanding the language in which reapers write their programs.

I agree, and when you combine that with my point at the top of the page about how you're plugging that modified Reaper code into hardware that is already on the "path that the Reapers desire", I really wouldnt trust the results to be safe. 

[TJBartlemus]

Arian Dynas wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Now, how clean is the TECH in Sheps body? That's a question I'd like answered.

If Shep's breathing in a literal interpretation of the destroy ending, then not enough to kill him. 

Enough to facilitate indoctrination?  I don't think so.  Wouldn't s/he have already been swayed by this point if that were the case, due to direct contact?

Shepard has been stated to be clean.

If you take the destroy ending and see the breathe scene at face value, I guess the synthetics weren't too important if he is alive. So (if at face value) what were the synthetic implants for?

[Arashi08]

HellishFiend wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...


According to Retribution, Grayson was the first Cerberus subject implanted with reaper tech, which took place AFTER the events of ME2.  So it doesn't seem very likely that Shepard could have possibly been given Reaper tech, since Grayson was the basis for Cerberus' implantation of their own troops.

That does seem logical. Are we sure though that Grayson was the first one to be implanted with Reaper tech of any kind though, or just the nanides?

A good question, but I remember looking at the vids (or maybe a vid) on Chronos station mentioning how Grayson's implants had been instrumental in their work, yet they never mention in other footage about how much Shepard's implants have affected their research either. 

Still, this is a weak counterpoint.  A stronger one would likely be how TIM was adamant that Shepard be the same person she was before her death.  TIM was clear that he wanted THE Commander Shepard and not a tool that would follow orders.  Considering that it was highly likely that TIM and Cerberus knew about the Indoctrination effect Reaper tech had on people,  butbased on events like the Derelict Reaper, didn't understand how it worked I don't see him taking the chance that Shepard could become an indoctrinated servant, especially one that could end up working for the Reapers.

And of course there was the fact that Dr. Chakwas was able to scan your implants to check for anything nasty Cerberus left, I would assume she had an understanding of what Shepard's Implants consisted of.

I would indeed be inclined to think that since the writers went through so much trouble to stress that TIM wanted Shepard back as Shepard, and to point out that Shepard was clean, that it means something of significance. 

I wasnt necessarily making a counterpoint to your idea, just offering a question up to help explore it further, which seems to have worked. 

I have no problem with people challenging my stance as long as it is done politely and respectfully.  It allows for new ways of thinking to emerge.  I'm grateful for your input, both to this topic and the thread in general. 

Modifié par Arashi08, 09 juin 2012 - 08:14 .

[HellishFiend]

TJBartlemus wrote...


If you take the destroy ending and see the breathe scene at face value, I guess the synthetics weren't too important if he is alive. So (if at face value) what were the synthetic implants for?

This unanswerable question has always beeen a fairly strong point for IT. 

[Salient Archer]

Electra77 wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

...
Just going to drop this here: http://social.biowar...3/2141#11952209 I don't ask for you to agree with it, but just read it with an open mind .. and yes, it is very, very longwinded.

I read that in AD's reference post, and that was what I was quoting.  I was having trouble with the moral assessment of keeping the collector base as an immoral choice.  How did you arrive at that conclusion?  I don't see it in your referenced post.

The reason I never chose to keep the collector base in ME2  is the same as why I originally chose Destroy in ME3, because ‘it was MY choice’. What I mean to say is that it was the decision I made in the first Mass Effect and I was going to stick to it, because it’s what I’ve always felt to be right.

I might not have been able to chose to have EDI on the SR-2, to use the Mass Relays or even to be resurrected by cerberus, but “I” (the player and Shepard) could chose to not wither my resolve from ME1 about destroying the Reapers, their perverse tech and everything they represent.

I was determined to do it on the collector base more so then ever because to do otherwise would mean that I am no better than Cerberus or even the Reapers themselves. To use your enemies methods doesn’t make you a clever tactician, it doesn’t give you the upper hand, it makes you no better than they are.



Back in ME2 I was convinced that the collector base could be the very thing to turn the tide, but we had hard proof that trying to unlock the secrets of Reaper tech corrupts and always leads to a fall and even with the ethical dilemma of what it represented aside it was a dangerous risk, it was an opportunity for mankind's grasp to extend past it’s reach. Shepard knows the dangers of Reaper tech, he’s seen what it did to Saren, he’s seen it on Virmire, he’s seen it on the derelict reaper and object rho and we the player have even more sources to prove that Reaper tech always leads to a fall and this doesn’t even cover the ethics in choosing to keep it. 

Regardless, I ask you this: Is mankind worth saving if we have to loose our humanity to do so?

[HellishFiend]

Arashi08 wrote...

I have no problem with people challenging my stance as long as it is done politely and respectfully.  It allows for new ways of thinking to emerge.  I'm grateful for your imput, both to this topic and the thread in general. 

Thank you, that is very kind. 

[Turbo_J]

HellishFiend wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...


EDI: was created using Reaper CODE - likely sanitized if not completely rewritten using Reaper code as a basis.

Geth: Upgraded using Reaper CODE - likely sanitized

Code is number and letters in programming language. It is not a physical substance. It is not Reaper 'TECH'

Derived = OK.
Re-purposed, maybe ok if you are lucky.
Acquired and used as is = Indoctrination fodder.

I look at it a bit differently. I think of Reaper code as the digital equivalent of whatever technology turns humans into husks. You impale something non-Reaper on a spike, and it becomes Reaper tech. 

Along those same lines, I think a scenario where you take technology that is, essentially, already based on Reaper tech to begin with, and merge it with further advanced Reaper code (sanitized or otherwise), the strong possibility exists that it could have an unintended result. 

But it's nanides that turn humans into husks. They are injected into the victim through the spikes and carried through the body via adrenalin.

Agree with the latter part. I still think Shep is somewhat of an antenna. Just ask James if he hears a hum when she's around.

Shep's mind is clean, but I have doubts about the implants. They may not affect her to the extent they would affect someone else given her strong will, but over the long term, there would be a cumulative affect of breaking down defensive barriers. With the Reapers all over the galaxy who's to say what is going on with supposed 'inert' Reaper tech everywhere.

[Arashi08]

HellishFiend wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

lol - You know, the Reaper on Rannoch kind of warns that control isn't a good idea if you renegade it.

'Look at the results of the Quarian's attempts to maintain control.' - (of the Geth)

In my playthrough, it was more like "Look at the results of the Quari-"  Shepard: "STFU!" *calls down orbital strike* 

That's what is so interesting about the exchange on Rannoch with the Destroyer.  in the dialogue with it Shepard's mentioning of Destroying the Reapers comes with a Paragon interrupt.  however, the Renegade interrupt occurs when Shepard talks about "taking control."  and yet if you base the ending choices solely on color, it seems like the two stances are reversed.

[HellishFiend]

Salient Archer wrote...


Back in ME2 I was convinced that the collector base could be the very thing to turn the tide, but we had hard proof that trying to unlock the secrets of Reaper tech corrupts and always leads to a fall and even with the ethical dilemma of what it represented aside it was a dangerous risk, it was an opportunity for mankind's grasp to extend past it’s reach. Shepard knows the dangers of Reaper tech, he’s seen what it did to Saren, he’s seen it on Virmire, he’s seen it on the derelict reaper and object rho and we the player have even more sources to prove that Reaper tech always leads to a fall and this doesn’t even cover the ethics in choosing to keep it. 

Regardless, I ask you this: Is mankind worth saving if we have to loose our humanity to do so?

I think most players seem to forget about that bolded part at the most critical moments. In almost all cases it requires retrospect to realize that all of the information that points us toward the correct decision is "hidden in the data", and we have to try hard to keep that information at the forefront so that we can use it to guide us. 

[TJBartlemus]

HellishFiend wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...


According to Retribution, Grayson was the first Cerberus subject implanted with reaper tech, which took place AFTER the events of ME2.  So it doesn't seem very likely that Shepard could have possibly been given Reaper tech, since Grayson was the basis for Cerberus' implantation of their own troops.

That does seem logical. Are we sure though that Grayson was the first one to be implanted with Reaper tech of any kind though, or just the nanides?

A good question, but I remember looking at the vids (or maybe a vid) on Chronos station mentioning how Grayson's implants had been instrumental in their work, yet they never mention in other footage about how much Shepard's implants have affected their research either. 

Still, this is a weak counterpoint.  A stronger one would likely be how TIM was adamant that Shepard be the same person she was before her death.  TIM was clear that he wanted THE Commander Shepard and not a tool that would follow orders.  Considering that it was highly likely that TIM and Cerberus knew about the Indoctrination effect Reaper tech had on people,  butbased on events like the Derelict Reaper, didn't understand how it worked I don't see him taking the chance that Shepard could become an indoctrinated servant, especially one that could end up working for the Reapers.

And of course there was the fact that Dr. Chakwas was able to scan your implants to check for anything nasty Cerberus left, I would assume she had an understanding of what Shepard's Implants consisted of.

I would indeed be inclined to think that since the writers went through so much trouble to stress that TIM wanted Shepard back as Shepard, and to point out that Shepard was clean, that it means something of significance. 

I wasnt necessarily making a counterpoint to your idea, just offering a question up to help explore it further, which seems to have worked. 

You know what I need cleared up is the question of did Shepard truely die? If he absolutly flatlined and brain dead then there is no salvaging of the body then. I like how shepard himself commented on Cronos station that he didn't know if he was a clone. If he was a clone it would make sense that you are able to change his appearance and abilities from 1 to 2. (For example default shepard to something completly different in custom. And all your friends recognize you though:huh:) So did someone get to his body in time and did something to it to preserve the brain?

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 09 juin 2012 - 04:42 .

[Arashi08]

HellishFiend wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

I have no problem with people challenging my stance as long as it is done politely and respectfully.  It allows for new ways of thinking to emerge.  I'm grateful for your imput, both to this topic and the thread in general. 

Thank you, that is very kind. 

YW,  that's what I think the thread should be about anyway; fans coming together to discuss things they find odd about the ending and renew our hope that BioWare could have something great in store for us, rather than stew in anger like far too many people are doing outside this thread.  far too many people just don't seem mature enough to have access to the internet it seems...

[HellishFiend]

Turbo_J wrote...


But it's nanides that turn humans into husks. They are injected into the victim through the spikes and carried through the body via adrenalin.

Agree with the latter part. I still think Shep is somewhat of an antenna. Just ask James if he hears a hum when she's around.

Shep's mind is clean, but I have doubts about the implants. They may not affect her to the extent they would affect someone else given her strong will, but over the long term, there would be a cumulative affect of breaking down defensive barriers. With the Reapers all over the galaxy who's to say what is going on with supposed 'inert' Reaper tech everywhere.

Yeah, that is part of what I was getting at. All spacefaring races are essentially backboned by "Reaper tech". The distinction that even Shepard draws between Reaper and non-Reaper tech is a distinction that, quite frankly, I think is blurrier than we realize. Yes, there is a difference between tech that comes straight from the Reapers in its fully evolved and unlocked form, but if you give a child a toy, does that toy not operate in the manner in which you designed it? There has to be something there that has yet to come into play.