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[Starbuck8]

Arian Dynas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Genetic memory. Hmm, seems kinda... Dune, but well, as we saw with Tchanka, someone at Bioware is a huge Dune fan, so why not?

To be fair, Mass Effect as a whole seems kind of Star Control 3, but I dont view that as a detractor at all, because while I greatly enjoyed Star Control 3, I happen to like the way Bioware handled this type of plot better. 

Nothing wrong with taking an existing concept, mixing it with new concepts, and making it into something better. 

The only problem I have with it is well, Dune doesn't seem to FIT Mass Effect paticuarly well, but eh, I could be wrong.

Well I can't remember what Javik says or calls it, but I don't think he said it was genetic memory exactly. Maybe I should find a YT vid.

[HellishFiend]

Starbuck8 wrote...


Hey there's always the possibility they were fed false/misleading information, I mean it is just a restatement of what's already been said. Okay I don't know what he leaked previously, but maybe this person was used only for MP beta testing and the MP testers were all given this statement about the EC. And if it is done, why haven't they at least announced a realse date, they must like torturing us

So far Bioware's MO has been to wait until just a few days before a multiplayer DLC release before announcing it at all. Literally, we go from having no official word about the latest MP content, to having it in-game a few days later. 

It is feasible they could do the same for the EC, but a different team could be behind that decision, so who knows. 

[gunslinger_ruiz]

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...


Hey there's always the possibility they were fed false/misleading information, I mean it is just a restatement of what's already been said. Okay I don't know what he leaked previously, but maybe this person was used only for MP beta testing and the MP testers were all given this statement about the EC. And if it is done, why haven't they at least announced a realse date, they must like torturing us

So far Bioware's MO has been to wait until just a few days before a multiplayer DLC release before announcing it at all. Literally, we go from having no official word about the latest MP content, to having it in-game a few days later. 

It is feasible they could do the same for the EC, but a different team could be behind that decision, so who knows. 

I like to think we'd have at least a weeks notice for EC if not a month, but even that might be too long of a wait from announcement to release for some. The anticipation would be unbearable .

[ivenoidea]

Starbuck8 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

This guy's first leak was spot on, and now he just leaked more information on MP-DLC as well as the extended cut.

http://www.reddit.co..._to_believe_me/

Afraid to look. Dont like spoilers...

Essentially, an established "informant" with some measure of actual credibility has informed us that the EC is "done"....

Hey there's always the possibility they were fed false/misleading information, I mean it is just a restatement of what's already been said. Okay I don't know what he leaked previously, but maybe this person was used only for MP beta testing and the MP testers were all given this statement about the EC. And if it is done, why haven't they at least announced a realse date, they must like torturing us

This reminds me of the "The Truth" leak, where supposedly an extended ending (that was before EC was announced) was to be featured. When asked about it bioware said "Do you really think we would call a dlc "The Truth"?
(And tbh it is a ****ty name)

So no, the first guys leak was *not* spot on.

He also said there would be MP dlc that would have new characters. Well, everybody could have guessed that, so no surprise there.

In short, I am not impressed.

Modifié par ivenoidea, 09 juin 2012 - 07:36 .

[Starbuck8]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Genetic memory. Hmm, seems kinda... Dune, but well, as we saw with Tchanka, someone at Bioware is a huge Dune fan, so why not?

To be fair, Mass Effect as a whole seems kind of Star Control 3, but I dont view that as a detractor at all, because while I greatly enjoyed Star Control 3, I happen to like the way Bioware handled this type of plot better. 

Nothing wrong with taking an existing concept, mixing it with new concepts, and making it into something better. 

The only problem I have with it is well, Dune doesn't seem to FIT Mass Effect paticuarly well, but eh, I could be wrong.

Well I can't remember what Javik says or calls it, but I don't think he said it was genetic memory exactly. Maybe I should find a YT vid.

Lol he calls it the "chemistry of life" and says memory has its own biomarker, as do knowledge and skills. Heck the protheans even figured out how to transfer these things into technology, the beacons. www.youtube.com/watch I'd say that's pretty good precedent :happy:

[gunslinger_ruiz]

ivenoidea wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

This guy's first leak was spot on, and now he just leaked more information on MP-DLC as well as the extended cut.

http://www.reddit.co..._to_believe_me/

Afraid to look. Dont like spoilers...

Essentially, an established "informant" with some measure of actual credibility has informed us that the EC is "done"....

Hey there's always the possibility they were fed false/misleading information, I mean it is just a restatement of what's already been said. Okay I don't know what he leaked previously, but maybe this person was used only for MP beta testing and the MP testers were all given this statement about the EC. And if it is done, why haven't they at least announced a realse date, they must like torturing us

This reminds me of the "The Truth" leak, where supposedly an extended ending (that was before EC was announced) was to be featured. When asked about it bioware said "Do you really think we would call a dlc "The Truth"?
(And tbh it is a ****ty name)

I think Arian dispproved that paticular leak. Something about the MP dlc part being true but then changed by someone else and that's what we saw.

[HellishFiend]

ivenoidea wrote...

This reminds me of the "The Truth" leak, where supposedly an extended ending (that was before EC was announced) was to be featured. When asked about it bioware said "Do you really think we would call a dlc "The Truth"?
(And tbh it is a ****ty name)

 
Keep in mind that many of the things in that "The Truth" leak have actually been proven true. It has some measure of credibility, same as the Reddit guy. "The Truth" may have been Bioware's internal name for it until they figured out what to call it, like back when the Wii actually had a decent name.

[ivenoidea]

HellishFiend wrote...

ivenoidea wrote...

This reminds me of the "The Truth" leak, where supposedly an extended ending (that was before EC was announced) was to be featured. When asked about it bioware said "Do you really think we would call a dlc "The Truth"?
(And tbh it is a ****ty name)

 
Keep in mind that many of the things in that "The Truth" leak have actually been proven true. It has some measure of credibility, same as the Reddit guy. "The Truth" may have been Bioware's internal name for it until they figured out what to call it, like back when the Wii actually had a decent name.

It's besides the point here, but although Revolution is better than Wii, everything at E3 is called "a reolution in gaming" so it would not be an ideal name.

That reminds me: My friends and i had a drinking game, everytime someone sais "revolutionary" you take a shot.
We had nothing left halfway through.

[HellishFiend]

ivenoidea wrote...

It's besides the point here, but although Revolution is better than Wii, everything at E3 is called "a reolution in gaming" so it would not be an ideal name.

That reminds me: My friends and i had a drinking game, everytime someone sais "revolutionary" you take a shot.
We had nothing left halfway through.

I know. I'm just being flippant because I've always thought Wii is a horrible name for a console. 

[ivenoidea]

HellishFiend wrote...

ivenoidea wrote...

It's besides the point here, but although Revolution is better than Wii, everything at E3 is called "a reolution in gaming" so it would not be an ideal name.

That reminds me: My friends and i had a drinking game, everytime someone sais "revolutionary" you take a shot.
We had nothing left halfway through.

I know. I'm just being flippant because I've always thought Wii is a horrible name for a console. 

Well, i always thought of it as the sound an 8 year old makes when the controller inevitably hits him in the face.

[Starbuck8]

ivenoidea wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

This guy's first leak was spot on, and now he just leaked more information on MP-DLC as well as the extended cut.

http://www.reddit.co..._to_believe_me/

Afraid to look. Dont like spoilers...

Essentially, an established "informant" with some measure of actual credibility has informed us that the EC is "done"....

Hey there's always the possibility they were fed false/misleading information, I mean it is just a restatement of what's already been said. Okay I don't know what he leaked previously, but maybe this person was used only for MP beta testing and the MP testers were all given this statement about the EC. And if it is done, why haven't they at least announced a realse date, they must like torturing us

This reminds me of the "The Truth" leak, where supposedly an extended ending (that was before EC was announced) was to be featured. When asked about it bioware said "Do you really think we would call a dlc "The Truth"?
(And tbh it is a ****ty name)

So no, the first guys leak was *not* spot on.

He also said there would be MP dlc that would have new characters. Well, everybody could have guessed that, so no surprise there.

In short, I am not impressed.

Well looking at this person's first post, they leaked the Rebellion DLC. This time he leaks a new MP DLC. Clearly seems to be someone used for beta testing MP, and his "insider" info on the EC is basically exactly what is stated on BioWare's FAQ regarding the EC. His comment that it's done almost seems like speculation/guess/interpretation. So yeah that's my take on it. I think I would be mad if anything got leaked about the EC before release.

What's interesting is his new MP leak kinda fits with someone's theory on the marketing strategy regarding the post-release DLC, I think Arian's?

[byne]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Well looking at this person's first post, they leaked the Rebellion DLC. This time he leaks a new MP DLC. Clearly seems to be someone used for beta testing MP, and his "insider" info on the EC is basically exactly what is stated on BioWare's FAQ regarding the EC. His comment that it's done almost seems like speculation/guess/interpretation. So yeah that's my take on it. I think I would be mad if anything got leaked about the EC before release.

What's interesting is his new MP leak kinda fits with someone's theory on the marketing strategy regarding the post-release DLC, I think Arian's?

Thats my problem with it.

The multiplayer team is separate from the team making the EC, is it not?

Why would a multiplayer beta tester know anything at all about the EC?

[Starbuck8]

ivenoidea wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

ivenoidea wrote...

This reminds me of the "The Truth" leak, where supposedly an extended ending (that was before EC was announced) was to be featured. When asked about it bioware said "Do you really think we would call a dlc "The Truth"?
(And tbh it is a ****ty name)

 
Keep in mind that many of the things in that "The Truth" leak have actually been proven true. It has some measure of credibility, same as the Reddit guy. "The Truth" may have been Bioware's internal name for it until they figured out what to call it, like back when the Wii actually had a decent name.

It's besides the point here, but although Revolution is better than Wii, everything at E3 is called "a reolution in gaming" so it would not be an ideal name.

That reminds me: My friends and i had a drinking game, everytime someone sais "revolutionary" you take a shot.
We had nothing left halfway through.

Sounds like a fast-track to alcohol poisoning. Lol!

[prettz]

anything new in the last day.

still working on gun but using it to learn how to use the editing software (have not edited anything in 10 years:pinched:)
learning how to do layers


and learning how to do roto brushing.


also got back from seeing prometheus. had kind of that "the created well always destroy it's creator kind of feel:o

[gunslinger_ruiz]

byne wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Well looking at this person's first post, they leaked the Rebellion DLC. This time he leaks a new MP DLC. Clearly seems to be someone used for beta testing MP, and his "insider" info on the EC is basically exactly what is stated on BioWare's FAQ regarding the EC. His comment that it's done almost seems like speculation/guess/interpretation. So yeah that's my take on it. I think I would be mad if anything got leaked about the EC before release.

What's interesting is his new MP leak kinda fits with someone's theory on the marketing strategy regarding the post-release DLC, I think Arian's?

Thats my problem with it.

The multiplayer team is separate from the team making the EC, is it not?

Why would a multiplayer beta tester know anything at all about the EC?

I don't know, maybe MP is being tied in with the SP and EC.... .... *shrugs* maybe? Or the "tester" just overheard it from another tester somewhere and here we are.

[Arian Dynas]

HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Genetic memory. Hmm, seems kinda... Dune, but well, as we saw with Tchanka, someone at Bioware is a huge Dune fan, so why not?

To be fair, Mass Effect as a whole seems kind of Star Control 3, but I dont view that as a detractor at all, because while I greatly enjoyed Star Control 3, I happen to like the way Bioware handled this type of plot better. 

Nothing wrong with taking an existing concept, mixing it with new concepts, and making it into something better. 

The only problem I have with it is well, Dune doesn't seem to FIT Mass Effect paticuarly well, but eh, I could be wrong.

I dont know much about Dune, so I cant comment on that. I was just trying to reassure you that using plot arcs that have been done before is not a bad thing. :happy:

(big spoilers for Dune, Children of Dune, God Emperor of Dune and possibly Dune Messiah.)

Never said it was. Basically Dune is a far future middle ages where a young boy eventually takes the mantle of a messiah known as the Madi, the Kwizatz Haderach, or Muad'Dib and brings down the empire, seizing control while trying to avoid his own visions of a holy war in his name that will take place. THe Kwizatz Haderach is important because the religious order trying to make him, the Bene Gesserit sisterhood, is known for using a drug known as The Water of Life to examine their genetic memory, but being women, they are only capable of seeing the genetic memory of their female ancestors, the Kwizatz Haderach, being male will not be bound by this restriction and will therefore be able to see the genetic memories of all his ancestors, becoming incredibly wise. Thresher Maws are directly stolen from the Sandworms, or Shai-Hulud, the Worm Who is God, especially that big one, Kalros. One of the major factions IN the empire, known as the Tileiaxu, or "Skin Dancers" if my memory is correct, are known for creating clones, called Ghola, and then eventually through a clone of a man named Duncan Idaho, prove that in certain situations, a clone can undergo a trauma sufficient to regain the genetic memory of his own flesh, regaining the memories, experience and personality of the original.

Yeah, don't really see how Mass Effect really matches up with that.

[HellishFiend]

prettz wrote...

anything new in the last day.

Look up a bit for a new "leak".

[ivenoidea]

Starbuck8 wrote...

ivenoidea wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

This guy's first leak was spot on, and now he just leaked more information on MP-DLC as well as the extended cut.

http://www.reddit.co..._to_believe_me/

Afraid to look. Dont like spoilers...

Essentially, an established "informant" with some measure of actual credibility has informed us that the EC is "done"....

Hey there's always the possibility they were fed false/misleading information, I mean it is just a restatement of what's already been said. Okay I don't know what he leaked previously, but maybe this person was used only for MP beta testing and the MP testers were all given this statement about the EC. And if it is done, why haven't they at least announced a realse date, they must like torturing us

This reminds me of the "The Truth" leak, where supposedly an extended ending (that was before EC was announced) was to be featured. When asked about it bioware said "Do you really think we would call a dlc "The Truth"?
(And tbh it is a ****ty name)

So no, the first guys leak was *not* spot on.

He also said there would be MP dlc that would have new characters. Well, everybody could have guessed that, so no surprise there.

In short, I am not impressed.

Well looking at this person's first post, they leaked the Rebellion DLC. This time he leaks a new MP DLC. Clearly seems to be someone used for beta testing MP, and his "insider" info on the EC is basically exactly what is stated on BioWare's FAQ regarding the EC. His comment that it's done almost seems like speculation/guess/interpretation. So yeah that's my take on it. I think I would be mad if anything got leaked about the EC before release.

What's interesting is his new MP leak kinda fits with someone's theory on the marketing strategy regarding the post-release DLC, I think Arian's?

Ah, i was wrong, i thought this was the person that leaked The Truth.

Well, considering everything that "leaked" about EC this time is, as already pointed out above in the Q&A I'm still not impressed. Also, in his first post the guy said he got it from "the database where the dlc is stored" or something like that. From what i know about game developement there might very well be info on EC there, but it might be outdated or simply wrong since they changed their opinion since they added it, or something like that.

So yes, I'm still hoping for EC to be mroe than a few cutscenes. It's also possible they want to keep the fact that there is more to it secret for as long as possible.

It wouldn't take that long for a few cutscenes.  I mean, the gane released early march.

March+april+may+june is already four months, that's 1/6th of the entire developement of the game.

Modifié par ivenoidea, 09 juin 2012 - 07:59 .

[Arian Dynas]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Well I can't remember what Javik says or calls it, but I don't think he said it was genetic memory exactly. Maybe I should find a YT vid.

Well Rifneno and I bashed it out after a long discussion and some research, eventually deciding that Javik's supposed homeopathic abilities are likely derived from several abilities, ranging from a doglike scent ability, potentially eyes that are capable of seeing in electromagnetic, ultraviolet and infrared spectra, and an subconcious deductive brain lobe, which processes this information for him, giving him a generalized feeling based off scent, minute detail and other things.

Basically he's Sherlock Holmes/Monk, only his brain does it unconciously.

[HellishFiend]

Arian Dynas wrote...


Yeah, don't really see how Mass Effect really matches up with that.

Understandable, though I see how the concept could fit if they plugged in some other aspect of organics instead of memory (Javik was able to sense emotion too, I believe), or made it into some kind of amalgamated consciousness thing. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 09 juin 2012 - 08:00 .

[Arian Dynas]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

ivenoidea wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

This guy's first leak was spot on, and now he just leaked more information on MP-DLC as well as the extended cut.

http://www.reddit.co..._to_believe_me/

Afraid to look. Dont like spoilers...

Essentially, an established "informant" with some measure of actual credibility has informed us that the EC is "done"....

Hey there's always the possibility they were fed false/misleading information, I mean it is just a restatement of what's already been said. Okay I don't know what he leaked previously, but maybe this person was used only for MP beta testing and the MP testers were all given this statement about the EC. And if it is done, why haven't they at least announced a realse date, they must like torturing us

This reminds me of the "The Truth" leak, where supposedly an extended ending (that was before EC was announced) was to be featured. When asked about it bioware said "Do you really think we would call a dlc "The Truth"?
(And tbh it is a ****ty name)

I think Arian dispproved that paticular leak. Something about the MP dlc part being true but then changed by someone else and that's what we saw.

I did, it was leaked on Facebook, via Reddit, it was a leak of multiplayer stuff someone had gotten from accidentally getting on a developer server, he posted a picture with text detailing this, the next day someone took the same picture, never bothered to remove the text from it, and posted it on 4chan, which by the way, the text posted actually contradicted the text in the picture itself so yeah, if this is the same guy responsible for the 4chan leak of "The Truth" he is not a reliable source, if he is the guy responsible for the leak of the Multiplayer info, he MIGHT be a reliable source, but the odds on that are pretty long.

[HellishFiend]

Arian Dynas wrote...

I did, it was leaked on Facebook, via Reddit, it was a leak of multiplayer stuff someone had gotten from accidentally getting on a developer server, he posted a picture with text detailing this, the next day someone took the same picture, never bothered to remove the text from it, and posted it on 4chan, which by the way, the text posted actually contradicted the text in the picture itself so yeah, if this is the same guy responsible for the 4chan leak of "The Truth" he is not a reliable source, if he is the guy responsible for the leak of the Multiplayer info, he MIGHT be a reliable source, but the odds on that are pretty long.

Well he is the same guy responsible for the Rebellion leak, which was 100% accurate. But if we consider that this "tester" or whoever he is, is getting his information fed to him and then passing it on, then he could be getting fed misinformation regarding the EC along with his legitimate information about the MP content. 

[Arian Dynas]

Starbuck8 wrote...

ivenoidea wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

This guy's first leak was spot on, and now he just leaked more information on MP-DLC as well as the extended cut.

http://www.reddit.co..._to_believe_me/

Afraid to look. Dont like spoilers...

Essentially, an established "informant" with some measure of actual credibility has informed us that the EC is "done"....

Hey there's always the possibility they were fed false/misleading information, I mean it is just a restatement of what's already been said. Okay I don't know what he leaked previously, but maybe this person was used only for MP beta testing and the MP testers were all given this statement about the EC. And if it is done, why haven't they at least announced a realse date, they must like torturing us

This reminds me of the "The Truth" leak, where supposedly an extended ending (that was before EC was announced) was to be featured. When asked about it bioware said "Do you really think we would call a dlc "The Truth"?
(And tbh it is a ****ty name)

So no, the first guys leak was *not* spot on.

He also said there would be MP dlc that would have new characters. Well, everybody could have guessed that, so no surprise there.

In short, I am not impressed.

Well looking at this person's first post, they leaked the Rebellion DLC. This time he leaks a new MP DLC. Clearly seems to be someone used for beta testing MP, and his "insider" info on the EC is basically exactly what is stated on BioWare's FAQ regarding the EC. His comment that it's done almost seems like speculation/guess/interpretation. So yeah that's my take on it. I think I would be mad if anything got leaked about the EC before release.

What's interesting is his new MP leak kinda fits with someone's theory on the marketing strategy regarding the post-release DLC, I think Arian's?

Yes it was my theory, but the thing that makes me dubious is the fact that if this guy IS a beta tester, they would have fired him and gotten someone else after the FIRST time he leaked something, unless they want us to know about this, and really, the only thing we DO know is there is now some more maps for Earth.

[Starbuck8]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Well I can't remember what Javik says or calls it, but I don't think he said it was genetic memory exactly. Maybe I should find a YT vid.

Well Rifneno and I bashed it out after a long discussion and some research, eventually deciding that Javik's supposed homeopathic abilities are likely derived from several abilities, ranging from a doglike scent ability, potentially eyes that are capable of seeing in electromagnetic, ultraviolet and infrared spectra, and an subconcious deductive brain lobe, which processes this information for him, giving him a generalized feeling based off scent, minute detail and other things.

Basically he's Sherlock Holmes/Monk, only his brain does it unconciously.

Aha, well it makes sense, kinda like a sentient lie detector. But he also says they can trasnfer memories and skills between people and technology. I linked a YT vid above.

[Arian Dynas]

HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...


Yeah, don't really see how Mass Effect really matches up with that.

Understandable, though I see how the concept could fit if they plugged in some other aspect of organics instead of memory (Javik was able to sense emotion too, I believe), or made it into some kind of amalgamated consciousness thing. 

Eh, maybe, they're both great stories (Dune is to Sci-Fi what Lord of the Rings was to high fantasy) but they both have their niche, which they both fill very well.

Anyway, take my advice, read Dune, it's not very long, it's a cornerstone of Science Fiction, an inspiriation for, really any Sci-Fi story featuring a medeival esque future with a crippling beauracracy, and despite it's name, it's not paticuarly dry either.

"Tell me of the waters of your homeworld, Muad'Dib."