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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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dreamgazer wrote...

I won't lie: I have an issue with the gun as evidence---not the implications behind each gun and whether BioWare would employ the logic in this scenario, but the fact that you have to whip out a magnifying glass and a pause button to tell that it went from Carnifex to Predator. I wish the game would have shown Shepard haphazardly dropping the Predator at the end, after focusing shots so intently on the Carnifex. In this form, if intended, it's like BioWare included a needle-in-a-haystack clue that almost all audiences would never perceive.

It's what is known as subtle clues, if I.T is Biowares intention, they are not going to throw the clues in your face, I said it before, the developers know full well the dedicated will pick the game apart right down to the tiniest detail, in my opinion if I'T ths is what Bioware are playing on.

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Now that you mention it. Yes I found that a harsh character developent, but as you wrote, her character evolved (according to Redemption). Add to that the ambush by Eva...
I'm not saying I condone her brutality (or that I mind a twist for her character) but I could understand it.

Perhaps she's putting up a facade for Shepard, she does a complete 180 (moodwhise) when Shepard walks in on her threatening that guy on Illium, and again on Mars after offing those Cerberus mooks.
The reason she gives for bringing Shepard back might just have been a song and dance to convince him/her, whereas she actually sees Shepard as a tool to further whatever (or whoevers) plans.

As mentioned earlier, it would probably be way too harsh a thing to drop on the players after 3 games with her.
However, I'm reminded of Hawke's mothers fate in DA2 and how that was almost too much (or too dark), well in DA in general tbh, so there is a precedent perhaps >:)

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I'm constantly updating my new thread on UNIT. Check it out periodically.
http://social.biowar.../index/12089259

Modifié par paxxton, 16 mai 2012 - 07:58 .


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paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Did i miss soothing? what the hell are nanides?

Basically, they are nanometric machines that once in a body travel with adrenalin. I started a new thread on UNIT.


Don't they mean nanites? not nanidies lol

Modifié par Rosewind, 16 mai 2012 - 08:09 .


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Nauks wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Did i miss soothing? what the hell are nanides?

A side effect of all the wall of text quoting? :D

This.
I've never attempted to read such a cluster**** of a couple of pages...

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Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Did i miss soothing? what the hell are nanides?

Basically, they are nanometric machines that once in a body travel with adrenalin. I started a new thread on UNIT.


Don't they mean nanites? nt nanidies lol


of course they do!

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Anything new this afternoon or is the Carnifex/Predator bit still the idea being kicked around?

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MaximizedAction wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Did i miss soothing? what the hell are nanides?

Basically, they are nanometric machines that once in a body travel with adrenalin. I started a new thread on UNIT.


Don't they mean nanites? nt nanidies lol


of course they do!

Probably but I decided to use the spelling used in the game.

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Xavendithas wrote...

Anything new this afternoon or is the Carnifex/Predator bit still the idea being kicked around?


I second this question.

Been playing Diablo 3 and not keeping up on the thread.

I get the feeling lots of people are going to get angry at me for saying this, but I'm not seeing what the big deal is with Diablo 3. Thus far seems to be a fairly mediocre game. Maybe I'm playing it wrong or something.

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byne wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

Anything new this afternoon or is the Carnifex/Predator bit still the idea being kicked around?


I second this question.

Been playing Diablo 3 and not keeping up on the thread.

I get the feeling lots of people are going to get angry at me for saying this, but I'm not seeing what the big deal is with Diablo 3. Thus far seems to be a fairly mediocre game. Maybe I'm playing it wrong or something.

I'm constantly updating my new thread on UNIT. Check it out periodically.
http://social.biowar.../index/12089259

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byne wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

Anything new this afternoon or is the Carnifex/Predator bit still the idea being kicked around?


I second this question.

Been playing Diablo 3 and not keeping up on the thread.

I get the feeling lots of people are going to get angry at me for saying this, but I'm not seeing what the big deal is with Diablo 3. Thus far seems to be a fairly mediocre game. Maybe I'm playing it wrong or something.


Nah, a friend of mine, who's a Diablo buff found it just 'OK', too.

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I have been looking into the gun switch and it happens so quickly at practically the last second.  What I found interesting is that during the part where Shepard runs and shoots the tube, every shot has the Carnifex echo shot except the last one, which is definitely a Predator shot, but this shot is muffled under the explosion of the tube.  I had to pause the game and let the explosion noises stop then unpause in order to hear the Predator shot clearly.

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byne wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

Anything new this afternoon or is the Carnifex/Predator bit still the idea being kicked around?


I second this question.

Been playing Diablo 3 and not keeping up on the thread.

I get the feeling lots of people are going to get angry at me for saying this, but I'm not seeing what the big deal is with Diablo 3. Thus far seems to be a fairly mediocre game. Maybe I'm playing it wrong or something.

Your feeling is because it's a mediocre game.

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InnerTurmoil wrote...

I have been looking into the gun switch and it happens so quickly at practically the last second.  What I found interesting is that during the part where Shepard runs and shoots the tube, every shot has the Carnifex echo shot except the last one, which is definitely a Predator shot, but this shot is muffled under the explosion of the tube.  I had to pause the game and let the explosion noises stop then unpause in order to hear the Predator shot clearly.


I was expecting someone to mention this. Seems only logical, given the circumstances.

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In regards to the Carnifex/Predator switch... Would it be a simple thing to screw up(in regards to the Unreal engine) or is this definitely something that would have been done on purpose? I'm sure you guys have already gone over this but I'm still catching up on the last 20 pages(ish).

Modifié par Xavendithas, 16 mai 2012 - 08:25 .


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InnerTurmoil wrote...

I have been looking into the gun switch and it happens so quickly at practically the last second.  What I found interesting is that during the part where Shepard runs and shoots the tube, every shot has the Carnifex echo shot except the last one, which is definitely a Predator shot, but this shot is muffled under the explosion of the tube.  I had to pause the game and let the explosion noises stop then unpause in order to hear the Predator shot clearly.

Yeah, I think this is the point where some of us believe Shepard breaks free of the indoctrination attempt, it's been pretty much established that Shepard is buried in earth bound rubble not citadel rubble., Shepard did not fall from the citadel, Shepard never left earth.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

Anything new this afternoon or is the Carnifex/Predator bit still the idea being kicked around?


I second this question.

Been playing Diablo 3 and not keeping up on the thread.

I get the feeling lots of people are going to get angry at me for saying this, but I'm not seeing what the big deal is with Diablo 3. Thus far seems to be a fairly mediocre game. Maybe I'm playing it wrong or something.

Your feeling is because it's a mediocre game.


The only reason I even kept playing was because my wizard chick is played by Grey DeLisle, and therefore sounds like Princess Azula.

And even kinda looks like her a bit:

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And for some reason that amuses me.

But all I know is I once played Diablo 2, and I played a necromancer who could blow corpses up.

The lack of corpse exploding necromancers saddens me.

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Xavendithas wrote...

In regards to the Carnifex/Predator switch... Would it be a simple thing to screw up(in regards to the Unreal engine) or is this definitely something that would have been done on purpose? I'm sure you guys have already gone over this but I'm still catching up on the last 20 pages(ish).

Ever seen your gun randomly switching while you fire it?

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C'mon! No one wants to post in the UNIT thread?

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No

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

In regards to the Carnifex/Predator switch... Would it be a simple thing to screw up(in regards to the Unreal engine) or is this definitely something that would have been done on purpose? I'm sure you guys have already gone over this but I'm still catching up on the last 20 pages(ish).

Ever seen your gun randomly switching while you fire it?


Of course not, and I'm not trying to poke holes in the theory. I think it's one of the most conclusive pieces of evidence. I still can't help that the devil's advocate in me wonders just how easy it would be to have something like that happen on accident.

Modifié par Xavendithas, 16 mai 2012 - 08:32 .


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MegumiAzusa

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byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

Anything new this afternoon or is the Carnifex/Predator bit still the idea being kicked around?


I second this question.

Been playing Diablo 3 and not keeping up on the thread.

I get the feeling lots of people are going to get angry at me for saying this, but I'm not seeing what the big deal is with Diablo 3. Thus far seems to be a fairly mediocre game. Maybe I'm playing it wrong or something.

Your feeling is because it's a mediocre game.


The only reason I even kept playing was because my wizard chick is played by Grey DeLisle, and therefore sounds like Princess Azula.

And even kinda looks like her a bit:

Posted Image

And for some reason that amuses me.

But all I know is I once played Diablo 2, and I played a necromancer who could blow corpses up.

The lack of corpse exploding necromancers saddens me.

She does quite a bit voice acting for Blizzard lately. Also some characters in ME3 like Kahlee, that's why I first assumed she was evil when meeting her :D

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Guys the last topic got CLOSED because it became too offtopic and you guys are talking about diablo and Avatar. for crying out loud get on topic!

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Xavendithas wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

In regards to the Carnifex/Predator switch... Would it be a simple thing to screw up(in regards to the Unreal engine) or is this definitely something that would have been done on purpose? I'm sure you guys have already gone over this but I'm still catching up on the last 20 pages(ish).

Ever seen your gun randomly switching while you fire it?


Of course not, and I'm not trying to poke holes in the theory. I think it's one of the most conclusive pieces of evidence. I still can't help that the devil's advocate in me wonders just how easy it would be to have something like that happen on accident.

Without stopping the animation you have to specifically code it. You can see that as in any other scene with a changed gun you either draw it or having it in the base position.

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MaximizedAction wrote...

InnerTurmoil wrote...

I have been looking into the gun switch and it happens so quickly at practically the last second.  What I found interesting is that during the part where Shepard runs and shoots the tube, every shot has the Carnifex echo shot except the last one, which is definitely a Predator shot, but this shot is muffled under the explosion of the tube.  I had to pause the game and let the explosion noises stop then unpause in order to hear the Predator shot clearly.


I was expecting someone to mention this. Seems only logical, given the circumstances.


Yes, but my thinking on the sound should have been explain further.  The Carnifex weapon was given a distinct echo sound to accompany the shot.  Why would the last shot, the one that destroys the tubes and eleminates the reapers forever, be from a different gun with a shot that should have the same ambient effects as the previous shots, but doesn't.  Since the final scene puts a great amount of effort into recognizing the gun, I would be dissapointed if this was just a programming mistake.