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[HellishFiend]

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Sorry guys, didnt know that analogy would hit so hard...

If it makes you feel any better, I remain largely unaffected emotionally.

lol, yes, I am glad I didnt universally cast a wave of negative emotion across the entire thread. 

[Jadebaby]

HellishFiend wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Sorry guys, didnt know that analogy would hit so hard...

If it makes you feel any better, I remain largely unaffected emotionally.

lol, yes, I am glad I didnt universally cast a wave of negative emotion across the entire thread. 

I can only imagine what that would look like....

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[Arian Dynas]

Overload_C14 wrote...

Anyone notice on how the maps have started closing in on the story line?
Condor, Jade, Goddess and now on earth? Seems to be following the way the story went and if this leak can be trusted Earth maps will be coming out. Grouped together with the information of the EC with it I feel something fishy here... As soon as these maps come out (Assuming its not fake) we need to give this a good looking over, I think there may be some clues to help prove some of our points in multiplayer.

If you want, I can send you a link to the theory I had on this a while back.

Oh and I expect there to be one more DLC before Earth AND the EC. Some Chronus Station ones.

And it just occured to me, what if summer was the intended date for the proposed IT DLC and the EC is just their way of making us wait for it?

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Overload_C14 wrote...

Anyone notice on how the maps have started closing in on the story line?
Condor, Jade, Goddess and now on earth? Seems to be following the way the story went and if this leak can be trusted Earth maps will be coming out. Grouped together with the information of the EC with it I feel something fishy here... As soon as these maps come out (Assuming its not fake) we need to give this a good looking over, I think there may be some clues to help prove some of our points in multiplayer.

If you want, I can send you a link to the theory I had on this a while back.

Oh and I expect there to be one more DLC before Earth AND the EC. Some Chronus Station ones.

And it just occured to me, what if summer was the intended date for the proposed IT DLC and the EC is just their way of making us wait for it?

I would like formally reques that paticular post reposted. Mostly so I don't have to go dig for it myself, not entirely sure I read it actually.

[Arian Dynas]

byne wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...


Rio I can't think of any significance ingame aside from I think James mentioning he had family there? I'm not entirely sure though.

Rio is where the Interplanetary Combatives Training  school is. This school is where all N7 operatives received their training.

Significant to both Vega AND Shepard. Nice.

[Overload_C14]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Overload_C14 wrote...

Anyone notice on how the maps have started closing in on the story line?
Condor, Jade, Goddess and now on earth? Seems to be following the way the story went and if this leak can be trusted Earth maps will be coming out. Grouped together with the information of the EC with it I feel something fishy here... As soon as these maps come out (Assuming its not fake) we need to give this a good looking over, I think there may be some clues to help prove some of our points in multiplayer.

If you want, I can send you a link to the theory I had on this a while back.

Oh and I expect there to be one more DLC before Earth AND the EC. Some Chronus Station ones.

And it just occured to me, what if summer was the intended date for the proposed IT DLC and the EC is just their way of making us wait for it?

A link to the theroy would be awesome

Also, If the EC is just a teaser to another DLC I think people will throw they computers/consoles out the window xD

[Arian Dynas]

[quote]gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

[quote]Arian Dynas wrote...

[quote]Overload_C14 wrote...

Anyone notice on how the maps have started closing in on the story line?
Condor, Jade, Goddess and now on earth? Seems to be following the way the story went and if this leak can be trusted Earth maps will be coming out. Grouped together with the information of the EC with it I feel something fishy here... As soon as these maps come out (Assuming its not fake) we need to give this a good looking over, I think there may be some clues to help prove some of our points in multiplayer.[/quote]

If you want, I can send you a link to the theory I had on this a while back.

Oh and I expect there to be one more DLC before Earth AND the EC. Some Chronus Station ones.

And it just occured to me, what if summer was the intended date for the proposed IT DLC and the EC is just their way of making us wait for it?

[/quote]

I would like formally reques that paticular post reposted. Mostly so I don't have to go dig for it myself, not entirely sure I read it actually.

[/quote]

Gotcha covered.

[quote]Arian Dynas wrote...

But, in address to the OP (And by the way, all the insults and such? Don't blame everyone who believes something different from what you do by the actions and words of a few elitists. And really, can you blame us for being defensive with the torches and pitchforks reaction we get?)

To be entirely honest with you?

I don't think the EC was planned at all.

Does that mean I doubt IT? Heck no.

I think that the EC is Bioware doing EXACTLY what they said, making things more clear so that people can comprehend the ending better. For the simple fact that I think and continue to beleive their DLC plan worked out something like this;

1). Start up the ANN twitter feed, giving "Live realtime accounts" of the war and the events leading up to it, place the timeline to start the invasion on March 6th.

2). Design Mass Effect 3, plant clues both subtle and obvious to draw the interest of the fans, the ending is designed to be strange, out of place, but ultimately fulfilling and capable of satisfying the fans for now. Multiplayer is implimented to keep fan interest up. Fans keep speculating about the strange, out of place ending, staying involved and interested where normally they would finish the game and that would be the end of their thoughts on the subject.

3). Do weekly multiplayer events to make sure that the fans keep playing, even the casual ones, also integrate a story into multiplayer, since A. That's what Bioware does, and B. It gets fans involved in the story, they get to feel like real soldiers in the war. Multiplayer events coincide with classified major operations in the war, usually announced by Admiral Hackett.

4). Release single player DLC which again raises fan involvement and interest and keeps them playing, as well as speculating as more evidence and information comes in over time, in the ANN timeline, it is announced via the Twitter feed (usually the day before) and launched on the dates the events take place on.

5). Release multiplayer packs, representing various forces that enter the war over time, such as the Quarians and more Krogan as forces swell and increase, reflecting the alliegance of various forces, as well as their maneuvers against the Reapers. Which also keeps ME3 in the front of fans minds, interested, involved. thinking about, speculating.

6). Keep updating the ANN twitter feed, which eventually reaches the date of Chronos Station and the Seige of Earth, then to great fanfare, a final ending DLC is released, in which it is revealed the ending was in fact a big mind **** and that Shepard was facing indoctrination, some fans having realized this before, they reveal the numbers from the legend saves, showing the number of people they "indoctrinated" before allowing people to download this DLC, which follows the choice from their Legendsave, forcing them to live with the choice they made, showing them a different result and mission depending on their choices.

7). Mac Walters and Casey Hudson share a bottle of bubbly with Dr. Musyka and Gamble.

Unfortunately, they flubbed the "satisifed" part of the ending, but got the "strange and out of place" part spot on, so they need to make it clearer that it was intentional, so to salvage their original plan, they have to make the EC, which they didn't expect to have to make, and thus they are forced to defend the artistic integrity of their ending, which was meant to be intentional, yet most fans refused to interpret from the get go, not having to expect interpretative value from a videogame. It explains their comments that they didn't expect to make the EC, why they seemed "hurt" that we didn't like the ending, why they defended their artistic integrity so hard, and why they refused to change the endings that are, from face value, a bunch of stinkers, but from IT perspective, are positively brilliant.

Though I don't expect them to be following their original plan now, from the fan backlash, they likely decided it was a far better idea to just make the EC and squeeze in the ending content they originally had planned, potentially sans combat to win back the fans.

And even better? The funny thing about it? They aren't losing out on this at all. The only thing on the line is their reputation, which assuming this whole thing was planned will get completely turned around.

Returned copies? They don't lose any money, the distributing franchises like Gamestop and Amazon do, (considering Origin flatly refused refunds) and the only thing they maybe lose from them is reputation, which if they turn it around by revealing this massive plot twist? They just earned back AND MORE.

Sold games? Put in the used bin? Cerberus network all over again baby, people buy those used games, they already got their money from producing them, now they get to charge an additional $15 for the actual ending. Cash money.

Well what about the people who sold their games? Wouldn't you go out to buy another copy of one of the greatest games ever that was suddenly vindicated by the most epic twist in videogame interactive storytelling history? Especially since now with an ending suited to it, it's perfect? They just sold the same game to a person TWICE. Jackpot.

Lost reputation due to the worst ending in videogame history? Not quite, it's now being actually advertised as "The Most Talked About Ending in Years!" and there's no advertisement like free advertisement, and you KNOW people will buy it out of morbid cuiriousity to see if the ending is really that bad, and plenty will remember the good parts and think "Hmm, that game was fantastic for 98%" and potentially go back to buy the other two. Ca-CHING!

And the prestige! (not the Christopher Nolan flick) Bioware suddenly will be rocketed to the top again as brilliant storytellers, completely vindicated in the eyes of even their most curmudgeonly fans after the supposed fiasco of DA2, as well as having pulled off a plot twist that would make M. Night Shamaylan cry in jealousy, something other developers will dream of copying, but being completely unable to, cementing Bioware's reputation as tops in the videogame storytelling biz. EA will have conquered their reputation as this evil monolithic company, concerned only with making money (yet ironically, will be making more bank than ever, hmm funny, seems people don't mind that when they get what they want out of it.)

And revealing something this big? After the treatment the ending got on the news, you can BET this will be plastered EVERYWHERE. Yet more free advertisement. Not to mention everyone and their literature professor will be talking about it and dissecting it ala Kubrickian methods for years to come (just like we are now) they will have cemented their place as videogame legends.

Not to mention this will be a HUGE jumping off point for an entire FRANCHISE, Mass Effect just became mainstream, nearly as much as Star Trek and Star Wars, with a feature length movie, comic books, videogames, statuettes, three award winning games, the top of their respective markets, novels, patches, tee shirts, anime, all dragged into the limelight.

Think about it greedily if you must, EA is full of smart, undeniably greedy people, do you honestly think they would possibly turn down a gold mine like this, with literally NO downside? With movies and anime and novels and every kind of merchandising swag under the sun coming out with the Mass Effect name, ME is a franchise they are pushing HARD. IT is a win-win suitation for them, if Bioware DIDN'T do it or plan it, EA would be leaning on them anyway TO do it, their artistic integrity be damned! And yet Bioware gets to pull off a first in gaming, a truly interactive, involving storytelling experience, involving REAL roleplaying (not just Paragon and Renegade choices) with actual interprative vaue just like any well written novel, and a genuine artistic value.

It is literally a win-win suitation. And If I can think of it, you can bet your bollocks that EA and Bioware would. [/quote]
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[HellishFiend]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Sorry guys, didnt know that analogy would hit so hard...

If it makes you feel any better, I remain largely unaffected emotionally.

lol, yes, I am glad I didnt universally cast a wave of negative emotion across the entire thread. 

I can only imagine what that would look like....

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:lol: You just made my night, thank you. 

[Starbuck8]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Sorry guys, didnt know that analogy would hit so hard...

If it makes you feel any better, I remain largely unaffected emotionally.

lol, yes, I am glad I didnt universally cast a wave of negative emotion across the entire thread. 

I can only imagine what that would look like....

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Lol. Hellish uses depressing analogy. It's super effective! :happy:

[HellishFiend]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Sorry guys, didnt know that analogy would hit so hard...

If it makes you feel any better, I remain largely unaffected emotionally.

lol, yes, I am glad I didnt universally cast a wave of negative emotion across the entire thread. 

I can only imagine what that would look like....

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Lol. Hellish uses depressing analogy. It's super effective! :happy:

If only you knew how hard I was laughing right now! lol

[gunslinger_ruiz]

@Arian Dynas

Ah yes, the best case scenario I both hope and dream for. The gamers get something amazing, Bioware gets to go down in history as one of the most talented game makers of our time and EA is kept happy with a big (or rather bigger) wad of money for their troubles.

[ThisOneIsPunny]

byne wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...


Rio I can't think of any significance ingame aside from I think James mentioning he had family there? I'm not entirely sure though.

Rio is where the Interplanetary Combatives Training  school is. This school is where all N7 operatives received their training.

Balls, and we're supposedly getting actual N7 recruits too!

ivenoidea wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Vega from New York not Rio.

I thought Hackett is from Rio.

Yeah, Rose is right. And i think Hackett's from somewhere else.

[DJBare]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

But in retrospect...  That Human Reaper is made from the melted down bodies of thousands of innocent colonists.  And the fact we HAVE to use a componant from it for the Crucible revolts me.

Why let a giant piece of advanced machinery go to waste? Besides, what's done is done.

Just my personal opinion, but it's not really a moral issue, it's more an issue of ignorance, let me try to explain, if we were at war with a race that was technically on the same level as us then taking any innovations/inventions the enemy come up with is no problem because technically we're at the same level.
Reaper tech on the other hand is millions of years advanced compared to our own, simply put it's like stone age man finding an atomic bomb, they keep hitting it with their clubs to see what happens, that's us with reaper tech, we like to think we are intelligent enough to work it out but that's because we have a problem saying "I don't know"; it's also why I'll stand by my statement that control is a fools errand, Shepard a mere human controlling billions of minds that are millions of years advanced?

[Arian Dynas]

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

byne wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...


Rio I can't think of any significance ingame aside from I think James mentioning he had family there? I'm not entirely sure though.

Rio is where the Interplanetary Combatives Training  school is. This school is where all N7 operatives received their training.

Balls, and we're supposedly getting actual N7 recruits too!

ivenoidea wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Vega from New York not Rio.

I thought Hackett is from Rio.

Yeah, Rose is right. And i think Hackett's from somewhere else.

Hmm, liberating the N7 training ground, then blowing the Reapers to hell with a motley crew of the best of the best of the best. Sounds awesome. Oh and Hackett's from  Buenos Aires.

[HellishFiend]

DJBare wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

But in retrospect...  That Human Reaper is made from the melted down bodies of thousands of innocent colonists.  And the fact we HAVE to use a componant from it for the Crucible revolts me.

Why let a giant piece of advanced machinery go to waste? Besides, what's done is done.

Just my personal opinion, but it's not really a moral issue, it's more an issue of ignorance, let me try to explain, if we were at war with a race that was technically on the same level as us then taking any innovations/inventions the enemy come up with is no problem because technically we're at the same level.
Reaper tech on the other hand is millions of years advanced compared to our own, simply put it's like stone age man finding an atomic bomb, they keep hitting it with their clubs to see what happens, that's us with reaper tech, we like to think we are intelligent enough to work it out but that's because we have a problem saying "I don't know"; it's also why I'll stand by my statement that control is a fools errand, Shepard a mere human controlling billions of minds that are millions of years advanced?

I like that interpretation. Hadnt thought of it that way before. 

[Jadebaby]

HellishFiend wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

lol, yes, I am glad I didnt universally cast a wave of negative emotion across the entire thread. 

I can only imagine what that would look like....

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:lol: You just made my night, thank you. 

My pleasure.

[HellishFiend]

HellishFiend wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Just my personal opinion, but it's not really a moral issue, it's more an issue of ignorance, let me try to explain, if we were at war with a race that was technically on the same level as us then taking any innovations/inventions the enemy come up with is no problem because technically we're at the same level.
Reaper tech on the other hand is millions of years advanced compared to our own, simply put it's like stone age man finding an atomic bomb, they keep hitting it with their clubs to see what happens, that's us with reaper tech, we like to think we are intelligent enough to work it out but that's because we have a problem saying "I don't know"; it's also why I'll stand by my statement that control is a fools errand, Shepard a mere human controlling billions of minds that are millions of years advanced?

I like that interpretation. Hadnt thought of it that way before. 

So I have to ask, what is your opinion on the Thanix Cannons? Did you install them in your ME2 playthrough? Do you approve or disapprove?

[Jadebaby]

Back on topic, does anyone find it weird that The Illusive Man would have gone to the Citadel like he did, after activating the Prothean beacon and discovering just how many times the "control" pattern had been attempted before? Or did this 'control' group have an ace up their sleaves the same way civilization - in general - had the crucible?

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Back on topic, does anyone find it weird that The Illusive Man would have gone to the Citadel like he did, after activating the Prothean beacon and discovering just how many times the "control" pattern had been attempted before? Or did this 'control' group have an ace up their sleaves the same way civilization - in general - had the crucible?

Possible the VI didn't tell him that part, or that he didnt eve ntalk with the VI just mined for data. Also possible that he knew but thought he was...superior to earlier attempts, thought he was different, better, that they couldn't control him because he could control others.

[Jadebaby]

DJBare wrote...

Just my personal opinion, but it's not really a moral issue, it's more an issue of ignorance, let me try to explain, if we were at war with a race that was technically on the same level as us then taking any innovations/inventions the enemy come up with is no problem because technically we're at the same level.
Reaper tech on the other hand is millions of years advanced compared to our own, simply put it's like stone age man finding an atomic bomb, they keep hitting it with their clubs to see what happens, that's us with reaper tech, we like to think we are intelligent enough to work it out but that's because we have a problem saying "I don't know"; it's also why I'll stand by my statement that control is a fools errand, Shepard a mere human controlling billions of minds that are millions of years advanced?

Nice. you should post that in the control support thread and see what they come up with.

[Jadebaby]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Possible the VI didn't tell him that part, or that he didnt eve ntalk with the VI just mined for data. Also possible that he knew but thought he was...superior to earlier attempts, thought he was different, better, that they couldn't control him because he could control others.

Very plausible. I guess the real quesiton is - if IDT is canon - did TIM succeed?

[HellishFiend]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Back on topic, does anyone find it weird that The Illusive Man would have gone to the Citadel like he did, after activating the Prothean beacon and discovering just how many times the "control" pattern had been attempted before? Or did this 'control' group have an ace up their sleaves the same way civilization - in general - had the crucible?

I find the entire situation of "TIM finds identity of Catalyst, TIM scampers off to inform Reapers" very hard to swallow. I dont know what to peg it on, though. Was the VI hacked or misinformed to say that? If it was, why? 

If not, then why the heck would TIM do that? He still thinks he is opposing the Reapers, so it makes no sense that he would run off and tell them to guard the Citadel. 

[HellishFiend]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Just my personal opinion, but it's not really a moral issue, it's more an issue of ignorance, let me try to explain, if we were at war with a race that was technically on the same level as us then taking any innovations/inventions the enemy come up with is no problem because technically we're at the same level.
Reaper tech on the other hand is millions of years advanced compared to our own, simply put it's like stone age man finding an atomic bomb, they keep hitting it with their clubs to see what happens, that's us with reaper tech, we like to think we are intelligent enough to work it out but that's because we have a problem saying "I don't know"; it's also why I'll stand by my statement that control is a fools errand, Shepard a mere human controlling billions of minds that are millions of years advanced?

Nice. you should post that in the control support thread and see what they come up with.

I dont like to besmirch other posters unless they come in here and attack us first, but I personally find the OP of the control thread to be of very substantial bias, to the point of being unreasonable. For some reason I find pro-control to be a curious mindset in a very perverse (for lack of a better word) way, so I've read many of his posts and his replies to contentions against his beliefs, and he doesnt seem to give any counterpoints fair weight before deciding they are wrong and coming up with something to refute it. 

So I wouldnt bother expecting a well-thought out response to anything tossed his way. 

[Arian Dynas]

HellishFiend wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Back on topic, does anyone find it weird that The Illusive Man would have gone to the Citadel like he did, after activating the Prothean beacon and discovering just how many times the "control" pattern had been attempted before? Or did this 'control' group have an ace up their sleaves the same way civilization - in general - had the crucible?

I find the entire situation of "TIM finds identity of Catalyst, TIM scampers off to inform Reapers" very hard to swallow. I dont know what to peg it on, though. Was the VI hacked or misinformed to say that? If it was, why? 

If not, then why the heck would TIM do that? He still thinks he is opposing the Reapers, so it makes no sense that he would run off and tell them to guard the Citadel. 

I don't think he DID tell them. But I think as soon as he knew, they did too. And, well, read my script for my opinion on where he went.

[DirtyPhoenix]

So there are rumours of Earth-based maps now?