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[Starbuck8]

paxxton wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Just one remark about the possibility that the Starchild contradicts himself. That's not true. In what he says the Citadel isn't the Catalyst, he is. It means that the Citadel (which in his reasoning is not the Catalyst) is his home.

Lol yeah but then he does, if you account for the definition of "catalyst", since he said the crucible changed him.

No, he doesn't. I don't see your point.

Yes he does? Exact quote: "The crucible changed me." But honestly I have forgotten what the point of this was... That the catalyst contradicts himself? Sorry, not trying to argue with you

[HellishFiend]

paxxton wrote...

Corik wrote...

I think you're kidding again xDDDDD

Starchild is anything but coherent!

Nah. He might seem incoherent at moments but it's because we had no opportunity to chat with him and listen to his story. As for the "Created will always rebel against their creators" line it makes sense even with the geth/quarian war.

So if something holds true in one instance than it must be universally true?

In that case, everyone in this topic must be a troll, because at least one troll has posted in this topic. <_<

[lex0r11]

byne wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

If you've not heard there's a potential possibly maybe leak of a MP pack with Earth maps coming out around the same time as EC. Fits Arian's gameplan if true.

That dude is brilliant.  Seriously, no offence to Byne, but I think he might be the finest of us.

... <3:kissing:

I dont know why Dwailing would think I'd take offense to him saying something I fully agree with.

[LazyTechGuy]

One question about the theory Arian Dynas proposed: so if they didn't plan the EC, what was their plan for the actual ending?

I know, I know. I get annoyed with those "but then there's no ending if IT is true" posts too. I'm just wondering, because best case scenerio, even if everyone understood that the ending was IT, BW would still need to plan on releasing something.

Modifié par LazyTechGuy, 09 juin 2012 - 09:02 .

[Starbuck8]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Just one remark about the possibility that the Starchild contradicts himself. That's not true. In what he says the Citadel isn't the Catalyst, he is. It means that the Citadel (which in his reasoning is not the Catalyst) is his home.

Lol yeah but then he does, if you account for the definition of "catalyst", since he said the crucible changed him.

No, he doesn't. I don't see your point.

One thing the Catalyst says that definitely contradicts what the Reapers are doing is when he claims the Reapers only harvest the advanced races, and leave the younger ones alone.

Unless the godchild somehow got horribly confused and thinks Harvesters are the best scholars of the current cycle, he's just flat out lying about leaving the younger races alone.

Hey, that's a good point, one I actually haven't heard before to point toward starbinger being a lying jerk.

[paxxton]

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Corik wrote...

I think you're kidding again xDDDDD

Starchild is anything but coherent!

Nah. He might seem incoherent at moments but it's because we had no opportunity to chat with him and listen to his story. As for the "Created will always rebel against their creators" line it makes sense even with the geth/quarian war.

So if something holds true in one instance than it must be universally true?

In that case, everyone in this topic must be a troll, because at least one troll has posted in this topic. <_<

No. But I didn't saw any example that disproves the Starchild's assertion.

Modifié par paxxton, 09 juin 2012 - 09:01 .

[byne]

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Corik wrote...

I think you're kidding again xDDDDD

Starchild is anything but coherent!

Nah. He might seem incoherent at moments but it's because we had no opportunity to chat with him and listen to his story. As for the "Created will always rebel against their creators" line it makes sense even with the geth/quarian war.

So if something holds true in one instance than it must be universally true?

In that case, everyone in this topic must be a troll, because at least one troll has posted in this topic. <_<

I'll never understand why people try to justify the Reapers' hundreds of thousands of galactic genocides by saying that they're just trying to stop galactic genocide.

No matter how you try to twist it, it doesnt make any damned sense.

How about this, godchild: you have a nigh invincible fleet of starships. When synthetics get made, send in the Reapers and destroy them, warning organics not to make synthetics.

Yknow, at least warn them that you'll slaughter the entire galaxy if they make synthetics again once before actually following through on it?

Or, hey, maybe you shouldnt have left tech all over the galaxy that allows the organics to make synthetics in the first place.

Sovereign said we develop along the paths the Reapers desire, so clearly they want  synthetics to be created.

Modifié par byne, 09 juin 2012 - 09:03 .

[paxxton]

Starbuck8 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Just one remark about the possibility that the Starchild contradicts himself. That's not true. In what he says the Citadel isn't the Catalyst, he is. It means that the Citadel (which in his reasoning is not the Catalyst) is his home.

Lol yeah but then he does, if you account for the definition of "catalyst", since he said the crucible changed him.

No, he doesn't. I don't see your point.

Yes he does? Exact quote: "The crucible changed me." But honestly I have forgotten what the point of this was... That the catalyst contradicts himself? Sorry, not trying to argue with you

What's wrong with that quote? The Starchild's name is Catalyst. It doesn't imply that he cannot change his mind.

The original problem was that some people were claiming that the Catalyst said that he is his home. He didn't.

Modifié par paxxton, 09 juin 2012 - 09:07 .

[BleedingUranium]

lex0r11 wrote...

byne wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

If you've not heard there's a potential possibly maybe leak of a MP pack with Earth maps coming out around the same time as EC. Fits Arian's gameplan if true.

That dude is brilliant.  Seriously, no offence to Byne, but I think he might be the finest of us.

... <3:kissing:

I dont know why Dwailing would think I'd take offense to him saying something I fully agree with.

I don't have something as cool as that  But, fourthed

[Turbo_J]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Just one remark about the possibility that the Starchild contradicts himself. That's not true. In what he says the Citadel isn't the Catalyst, he is. It means that the Citadel (which in his reasoning is not the Catalyst) is his home.

Lol yeah but then he does, if you account for the definition of "catalyst", since he said the crucible changed him.

No, he doesn't. I don't see your point.

One thing the Catalyst says that definitely contradicts what the Reapers are doing is when he claims the Reapers only harvest the advanced races, and leave the younger ones alone.

Unless the godchild somehow got horribly confused and thinks Harvesters are the best scholars of the current cycle, he's just flat out lying about leaving the younger races alone.

Younger = primitive... otherwise humans would not still be around.

For the record: I did fathom the importance of the Trinket... I've said as much earlier.

From what I gathered on Eletania, last probe to visit Earth was not prothean. It was Reaper tech.

The air grows colder, winter falls. You must range farther for food, clutching the furs tight against you to ward off the chill. It is on one of these long hunts that the strange bird returns. You hear it before you see it, its call a deafening roar as it descends from above, swooping down on you. A single great eye opens on the underbelly, a glowing red orb. You try to run, but a finger of red light extends from the eye and engulfs you, and all goes black again.

Remember, Javik said that when the invasion started, they halted all studies on primitive life.

Also, Hackett mentions to Shep that the Yahg are being left alone. They don't have any Tech even of their own making on their world.

Modifié par Turbo_J, 09 juin 2012 - 09:06 .

[HellishFiend]

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Corik wrote...

I think you're kidding again xDDDDD

Starchild is anything but coherent!

Nah. He might seem incoherent at moments but it's because we had no opportunity to chat with him and listen to his story. As for the "Created will always rebel against their creators" line it makes sense even with the geth/quarian war.

So if something holds true in one instance than it must be universally true?

In that case, everyone in this topic must be a troll, because at least one troll has posted in this topic. <_<

No. But I didn't saw any example that disproves the Starchild's assertion.

Yeah I think I'm just gonna hold back from engaging in this one...

[TJBartlemus]

Okay regarding Reaper shape and how they convert the current cycles species into a reaper that resembles them....where are all the different variety from the cycles? Almost all of the Reapers I have seen are the same design except harbinger and the human reaper. And I am certain over thousands of cycles, humans aren't the only species to be found worthy. Hey Starchild! If you help them to ascend where are they? Care to explain that????

[Dwailing]

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Corik wrote...

I think you're kidding again xDDDDD

Starchild is anything but coherent!

Nah. He might seem incoherent at moments but it's because we had no opportunity to chat with him and listen to his story. As for the "Created will always rebel against their creators" line it makes sense even with the geth/quarian war.

So if something holds true in one instance than it must be universally true?

In that case, everyone in this topic must be a troll, because at least one troll has posted in this topic. <_<

No. But I didn't saw any example that disproves the Starchild's assertion.

Uh, how does the Morning War NOT disprove ReaperBieber's assertion?  The Quarians struck first, the Geth only fought to defend themselves.  The created did NOT turn on the creators.  The creators struck first.  HOLY ****!!!  I just realized something!  The Reaper Bieber's EXACT words are, "The created will always rebel against their creators."  Now, the Geth call the Quarians the Creators.  Well, the created (the Geth) did NOT rebel against their CREATORS (the Quarians).  My point is, the Geth use the EXACT words of ReaperBieber when talking about the Quarians.  But, they were not the ones that rebelled.  Hint?  Maybe?  Me being genuinely crazy this time?

Edit: OK, I'm just going to give this a slightly less crazy sound.  The ReaperBieber's usage of the word creators might be intended to make you think about the Quarians.

Modifié par Dwailing, 09 juin 2012 - 09:10 .

[TJBartlemus]

Turbo_J wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Just one remark about the possibility that the Starchild contradicts himself. That's not true. In what he says the Citadel isn't the Catalyst, he is. It means that the Citadel (which in his reasoning is not the Catalyst) is his home.

Lol yeah but then he does, if you account for the definition of "catalyst", since he said the crucible changed him.

No, he doesn't. I don't see your point.

One thing the Catalyst says that definitely contradicts what the Reapers are doing is when he claims the Reapers only harvest the advanced races, and leave the younger ones alone.

Unless the godchild somehow got horribly confused and thinks Harvesters are the best scholars of the current cycle, he's just flat out lying about leaving the younger races alone.

Younger = primitive... otherwise humans would not still be around.

For the record: I did fathom the importance of the Trinket... I've said as much earlier.

From what I gathered on Eletania, last probe to visit Earth was not prothean. It was Reaper tech.

The air grows colder, winter falls. You must range farther for food, clutching the furs tight against you to ward off the chill. It is on one of these long hunts that the strange bird returns. You hear it before you see it, its call a deafening roar as it descends from above, swooping down on you. A single great eye opens on the underbelly, a glowing red orb. You try to run, but a finger of red light extends from the eye and engulfs you, and all goes black again.

Remember, Javik said that when the invasion started, they halted all studies on primitive life.

Also, Hackett mentions to Shep that the Yahg are being left alone. They don't have any Tech even of their own making on their world.

So the message is when you see a Reaper just play stupid and they can't see you?

[HellishFiend]

Dwailing wrote...

Uh, how does the Morning War NOT disprove ReaperBieber's assertion?  The Quarians struck first, the Geth only fought to defend themselves.  The created did NOT turn on the creators.  The creators struck first.  HOLY ****!!!  I just realized something!  The Reaper Bieber's EXACT words are, "The created will always rebel against their creators."  Now, the Geth call the Quarians the Creators.  Well, the created (the Geth) did NOT rebel against their CREATORS (the Quarians).  My point is, the Geth use the EXACT words of ReaperBieber when talking about the Quarians.  But, they were not the ones that rebelled.  Hint?  Maybe?  Me being genuinely crazy this time?

No, not at all. You're spot-on. 

[byne]

Turbo_J wrote...

byne wrote...


One thing the Catalyst says that definitely contradicts what the Reapers are doing is when he claims the Reapers only harvest the advanced races, and leave the younger ones alone.

Unless the godchild somehow got horribly confused and thinks Harvesters are the best scholars of the current cycle, he's just flat out lying about leaving the younger races alone.

Younger = primitive... otherwise humans would not still be around.

Also, Hackett mentions to Shep that the Yahg are being left alone. They don't have any Tech even of their own making on their world.

So, are you saying harvesters are more advanced than the yahg? Or the humans 50,000 years ago?

Also, I kind of wonder what happened to the Raloi. The news broadcasts on the Citadel say they've closed their embassy, retreated to their planet, and destroyed all satellites in an attempt to appear too primitive to harvest, which kind of seems like a good plan.

Yknow, except for the part where THE FREAKING NEWS REPORTS ON IT AND GIVES AWAY THE PLAN!

Modifié par byne, 09 juin 2012 - 09:13 .

[Starbuck8]

paxxton wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Just one remark about the possibility that the Starchild contradicts himself. That's not true. In what he says the Citadel isn't the Catalyst, he is. It means that the Citadel (which in his reasoning is not the Catalyst) is his home.

Lol yeah but then he does, if you account for the definition of "catalyst", since he said the crucible changed him.

No, he doesn't. I don't see your point.

Yes he does? Exact quote: "The crucible changed me." But honestly I have forgotten what the point of this was... That the catalyst contradicts himself? Sorry, not trying to argue with you

What's wrong with that quote? The Starchild name is Catalyst. It doesn't imply that he cannot change his mind.

The original problem was that some people were claiming that the Catalyst said that he is his home. He didn't.

I know you were right about your original point, the kid says he is the catalyst, and the citadel is his home and is "part of him". He didn't actually say the citadel is the catalyst, unless you count his line about it being "part of him".

Anyway, just pointing out that if you use the actual definition of catalyst, he contradicts himself in another way, by saying the crucible changed him. Besides, I still can't believe you think the catalyst makes any sense. Most if not all of his reasoning falls into severy categories of logical fallacies, circular reasoning, or false premises. Lies even, if you consider what Byne said above.

[Turbo_J]

Turbo_J wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

@Turbo_J Have you ever noticed that there are only Prothean (species) collectors? Javik said they conquered all the other civilizations and were eventually also called Prothean but where are the other species? And if they only changed Javik's people then would the Humans be the only species chosen to be the next cycle's collectors?

Not sure. Humans were a viable species to create a reaper from. EDI postulated that the Protheans may have either put up too much of a fight or were found out later to not be as viable as the Reapers first thought.

It would stand to Reason that Humans may end up doing the same thing in a 'lose' situation, but I'm assuming that won't happen. At least it won't in my cycle. They are dead. Finished! Dammit!

As for not seeing other species, I guess it depends on their usefulness in the beginning of a cycle. The species who end up being the most broadly accessible and best sleeper agents probably gets that task. Given the Protheans ran the cycle, it seems reasonable. You also have to rememer that the Reapers hit the Citadel first - coming through it and spreading through the galaxy in record time. Javik said the 'slave' races splintered quickly and they probably fell quickly as well.

If humans had not been the 'bullies' they are, as Liara put it in ME1, then it may have been the Asari who were tasked with splinter group duties. However, they were not viable for Reaper reproduction: There is a two fold reason for that I've been tossing around so I'll expound on it in a bit.

If the Asari were the splinter group, Humans still may have ended up being the Reaper reproduction target because of their genetics. I think the end of ME1 and the start of ME2 after Sheps revival was a targeting turning point on the Reapers part. It seemed clear at first, with the destruction of the Normandy, that Harbi had simply told the collectors to 'kill that bit ch'.

The Asari:

With the revelation of the genetic modification the Asari received as part of their 'nudging' by the Protheans; (implications I hate for the record), it could be possible this was far more than enhancing Biotic abilities that already existed by nature. It could have been to make them non-viable to the Reapers. Only Ardat-Yachti can be turned into husks and they seem to be difficult to Indoctrinate. They had started to develop the communication capabilities similar to the Protheans; referred to by Javik as the Cosmic Imperative, but we don't know much about it beyond that. I do think the Protheans saw another potential the Asari offered that few other species do... Long life. Krogans don't count. The are inherently violent and... they can't share memories.

Sapien/Living Beacons

It takes one Asari and any complex animal or some radioactivity to produce a population; (Asari are resistant to radioactivity as evidenced by Liara; standing in space or on planets without full protection. They also don't get cancer from Eezo - they actually eat it.) The Asari live for a 1000 years. A single Asari could repopulate the galaxy, diplomatically engage the other races to help as species 'matured' and be prepared for the reapers with ease by the beginning of the next cycle... and every one of them would know everything about the Reapers thanks to melding.

If the next cycle were to fail, it would only take one Asari surviving to repeat the process and alter tactics to try again.

Anyone who hates Liara or even the Asari would really frown upon this, but it's just too obviously possible.

I don't like bumping my own posts, but this got burried fast without a single word.

[byne]

lex0r11 wrote...

There needs to be a paragon seal of approval.

[HellishFiend]

byne wrote...

So, are you saying harvesters are more advanced than the yahg? Or the humans 50,000 years ago?

Also, I kind of wonder what happened to the Raloi. The news broadcasts on the Citadel say they've closed their embassy, retreated to their planet, and destroyed all satellites in an attempt to appear to primitive to harvest, which kind of seems like a good plan.

Yknow, except for the part where THE FREAKING NEWS REPORTS ON IT AND GIVES AWAY THE PLAN!

If I were the Reapers I would make sure there was a definitive way of tracking any civilization that has started down the "path we desire". In other words, scanning technology that can detect other technology that has been influenced by the discovery of the mass relays and citadel. No way to hide from that. 

[Dwailing]

Anyone up for some PC MP?

[Turbo_J]

byne wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

byne wrote...


One thing the Catalyst says that definitely contradicts what the Reapers are doing is when he claims the Reapers only harvest the advanced races, and leave the younger ones alone.

Unless the godchild somehow got horribly confused and thinks Harvesters are the best scholars of the current cycle, he's just flat out lying about leaving the younger races alone.

Younger = primitive... otherwise humans would not still be around.

Also, Hackett mentions to Shep that the Yahg are being left alone. They don't have any Tech even of their own making on their world.

So, are you saying harvesters are more advanced than the yahg? Or the humans 50,000 years ago?

Also, I kind of wonder what happened to the Raloi. The news broadcasts on the Citadel say they've closed their embassy, retreated to their planet, and destroyed all satellites in an attempt to appear to primitive to harvest, which kind of seems like a good plan.

Yknow, except for the part where THE FREAKING NEWS REPORTS ON IT AND GIVES AWAY THE PLAN!

Harvesters are animals. Yahg are known to be sapiens. Big difference. Not every single form of life in the galaxy will evolve to the level of sapiens.

[BleedingUranium]

I don't know if you guys figured it out, but it was Jacob that talked about going to Rio after the war, when you talk to him in the hospital. I also didn't know that's where the N7 training school was, coupled with us also maybe getting six N7 classes (Seriously? We don't have enough humans???) that's fairly interesting. Also, if we do go to Rio in the EC, maybe that's where this could fit in?

It doesn't really look like Rio to me, but a lot like the Vancouver area ( live near there), easiest to see in the Normandy shots. It's just that that trailer's always bothered me, because nothing close to that ever happened. Also, Hammerheads. Steve said the tech labs are probably a pile of rubble, which instantly said to me that we were going to be getting it back. And because there's no vehicle in ME3 yet.

Just some stuff to think about.

[Rifneno]

Turbo_J wrote...

For the record: I did fathom the importance of the Trinket... I've said as much earlier.

From what I gathered on Eletania, last probe to visit Earth was not prothean. It was Reaper tech.

The air grows colder, winter falls. You must range farther for food, clutching the furs tight against you to ward off the chill. It is on one of these long hunts that the strange bird returns. You hear it before you see it, its call a deafening roar as it descends from above, swooping down on you. A single great eye opens on the underbelly, a glowing red orb. You try to run, but a finger of red light extends from the eye and engulfs you, and all goes black again.

Remember, Javik said that when the invasion started, they halted all studies on primitive life.

Also, Hackett mentions to Shep that the Yahg are being left alone. They don't have any Tech even of their own making on their world.

They halted studies on primitive life, so the Mars outpost should've been abandoned right at the start of the Reaper war.  ...  Kind of odd, isn't it, that the Catalyst blueprints were there? 

[Dwailing]

BleedingUranium wrote...

I don't know if you guys figured it out, but it was Jacob that talked about going to Rio after the war, when you talk to him in the hospital. I also didn't know that's where the N7 training school was, coupled with us also maybe getting six N7 classes (Seriously? We don't have enough humans???) that's fairly interesting. Also, if we do go to Rio in the EC, maybe that's where this could fit in?

It doesn't really look like Rio to me, but a lot like the Vancouver area ( live near there), easiest to see in the Normandy shots. It's just that that trailer's always bothered me, because nothing close to that ever happened. Also, Hammerheads. Steve said the tech labs are probably a pile of rubble, which instantly said to me that we were going to be getting it back. And because there's no vehicle in ME3 yet.

Just some stuff to think about.

You know, Jacob talked about Rio, and didn't the "leak" of the info for the new MP DLC mention that Rio is one of the maps?  I'd normally take a leak like this with a grain of salt, but considering that the last couple leaks have been accurate (And possibly done by BW to try to keep us satisfied or at least not homicidal until the EC is released.), I'm more inclined to think it could be accurate.