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[D.Sharrah]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Snip...

Except it is no longer a positive thing if your forces are gonna turn upon you sooner or later, even worse that they are doing it allready. If you dont have complete control over something like that it is safer to wipe it out.

And you ignore that Collector forces are still fighting alongside the Reapers as as I quoted and that the Reapers put what you have claimed is untrustworthy servants to build their newest Reaper.

The problem with this theory are massive.

As a response to someone I posted that maybe the rebellion isn't a foregone conclusion...but because the Reapers believe in ReaperBieber the Starbinger's (or Habinger's, if you prefer) circular logic (particularily pertaining to the created always rebelling against the creators) - its the mere perception that it exists as a possibility that drives them to quell the "rebellion" by perfroming another "cycle" and creating their newest tool.

And I never claimed that the theory was infallible...quite the opposite actually, I suggested that I might need to be sent to a rubber room.

[MaximizedAction]

Dwailing wrote...

Anyone up for some PC MP?

Sure thing, gimme a few minutes.

[Dwailing]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Anyone up for some PC MP?

Sure thing, gimme a few minutes.

No problem, I'm in a game anyway.

[Turbo_J]

BleedingUranium wrote...

I don't know if you guys figured it out, but it was Jacob that talked about going to Rio after the war, when you talk to him in the hospital. I also didn't know that's where the N7 training school was, coupled with us also maybe getting six N7 classes (Seriously? We don't have enough humans???) that's fairly interesting. Also, if we do go to Rio in the EC, maybe that's where this could fit in?

It doesn't really look like Rio to me, but a lot like the Vancouver area ( live near there), easiest to see in the Normandy shots. It's just that that trailer's always bothered me, because nothing close to that ever happened. Also, Hammerheads. Steve said the tech labs are probably a pile of rubble, which instantly said to me that we were going to be getting it back. And because there's no vehicle in ME3 yet.

Just some stuff to think about.

"I was born in Vancouver." Ominous pause...

[byne]

Turbo_J wrote...

byne wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

byne wrote...


One thing the Catalyst says that definitely contradicts what the Reapers are doing is when he claims the Reapers only harvest the advanced races, and leave the younger ones alone.

Unless the godchild somehow got horribly confused and thinks Harvesters are the best scholars of the current cycle, he's just flat out lying about leaving the younger races alone.

Younger = primitive... otherwise humans would not still be around.

Also, Hackett mentions to Shep that the Yahg are being left alone. They don't have any Tech even of their own making on their world.

So, are you saying harvesters are more advanced than the yahg? Or the humans 50,000 years ago?

Also, I kind of wonder what happened to the Raloi. The news broadcasts on the Citadel say they've closed their embassy, retreated to their planet, and destroyed all satellites in an attempt to appear to primitive to harvest, which kind of seems like a good plan.

Yknow, except for the part where THE FREAKING NEWS REPORTS ON IT AND GIVES AWAY THE PLAN!

Harvesters are animals. Yahg are known to be sapiens. Big difference. Not every single form of life in the galaxy will evolve to the level of sapiens.

If the reapers harvest animals, and just leave primitive sapient life alone (ignoring for the fact that whether you're sapient or not, you're still an animal), why dont we ever see thresher maw husks?

Also, why didnt the Reapers harvest humans back when we were still stupid apes? Why now when we're extra smart apes?

And how exactly would the Reapers know which life would evolve to what point? Can they see the future now?

Plus none of this changes the fact that if the Reapers want to stop us from creating synthetics why not just come harvest every species when it reaches its equivalent of the bronze age? Theres nothin they'd be able to do to the Reapers and it'd reduce Reaper losses down to zero.

If godchild actually cared about preserving entire species in Reaper form, he'd choose the way that guarantees not a single Reaper is ever lost.

[Starbuck8]

Rifneno wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

For the record: I did fathom the importance of the Trinket... I've said as much earlier.

From what I gathered on Eletania, last probe to visit Earth was not prothean. It was Reaper tech.

The air grows colder, winter falls. You must range farther for food, clutching the furs tight against you to ward off the chill. It is on one of these long hunts that the strange bird returns. You hear it before you see it, its call a deafening roar as it descends from above, swooping down on you. A single great eye opens on the underbelly, a glowing red orb. You try to run, but a finger of red light extends from the eye and engulfs you, and all goes black again.

Remember, Javik said that when the invasion started, they halted all studies on primitive life.

Also, Hackett mentions to Shep that the Yahg are being left alone. They don't have any Tech even of their own making on their world.

They halted studies on primitive life, so the Mars outpost should've been abandoned right at the start of the Reaper war.  ...  Kind of odd, isn't it, that the Catalyst blueprints were there? 

Hmm, interesting theory on the Eletania vision. I hadn't considered that. But I have to ask, if the reapers captured that human with the implant, how did his memories end up in a prothean sphere? Also a clue to me that it was the protheans picking him back up was he says the "strange bird returns", but hey he's just a caveman, what does he know?

Also it's weird that the prothean blueprints were suspiciously left on mars untouched and unharmed, but the project scientist's VI was on Thessia...

[DJBare]

Turbo_J wrote...

Eryri wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

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I dropped off BSN and just played the game, and found more and more info. It even took me a month to get off my butt and post the video on the park not existing. I found that out on my third playthrough IIRC, but always suspected there was something up with the kid. I didn't know he may not be real until I saw the park wasn't real.

With all the bashing and hating and 'crazy talk' fighting between the literalists and IT believers, I'd just as soon be productive and entertain myself in other ways. I'm not one for confrontation... unless you have a fast car and want to race.

Yes it did get very bitter on parts of the BSN for a while. Could you post a link to your video of the park please? I haven't heard about this piece of evidence.

www.youtube.com/watch

I added it to my sig. Didn't think people cared, really.

I still say the boy was killed there and the park was burnt to nothing by a laser, in my opinion the only time the child is real is when Shepard is staring out the window at him, after that every view of the child is hallucination.

[Turbo_J]

Rifneno wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

For the record: I did fathom the importance of the Trinket... I've said as much earlier.

From what I gathered on Eletania, last probe to visit Earth was not prothean. It was Reaper tech.

The air grows colder, winter falls. You must range farther for food, clutching the furs tight against you to ward off the chill. It is on one of these long hunts that the strange bird returns. You hear it before you see it, its call a deafening roar as it descends from above, swooping down on you. A single great eye opens on the underbelly, a glowing red orb. You try to run, but a finger of red light extends from the eye and engulfs you, and all goes black again.

Remember, Javik said that when the invasion started, they halted all studies on primitive life.

Also, Hackett mentions to Shep that the Yahg are being left alone. They don't have any Tech even of their own making on their world.

They halted studies on primitive life, so the Mars outpost should've been abandoned right at the start of the Reaper war.  ...  Kind of odd, isn't it, that the Catalyst blueprints were there? 

Now you're catching on.

I still think Liara took a dumb pill that day.

[paxxton]

Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

No. But I didn't saw any example that disproves the Starchild's assertion.

Uh, how does the Morning War NOT disprove ReaperBieber's assertion?  The Quarians struck first, the Geth only fought to defend themselves.  The created did NOT turn on the creators.  The creators struck first.  HOLY ****!!!  I just realized something!  The Reaper Bieber's EXACT words are, "The created will always rebel against their creators."  Now, the Geth call the Quarians the Creators.  Well, the created (the Geth) did NOT rebel against their CREATORS (the Quarians).  My point is, the Geth use the EXACT words of ReaperBieber when talking about the Quarians.  But, they were not the ones that rebelled.  Hint?  Maybe?  Me being genuinely crazy this time?

Edit: OK, I'm just going to give this a slightly less crazy sound.  The ReaperBieber's usage of the word creators might be intended to make you think about the Quarians.

Rebellion can also mean that the created started to do things they creator didn't want them to do. In the case of geth they started to be self-aware or something like that. This can be viewed as a form of turning on the Quarians.

Modifié par paxxton, 09 juin 2012 - 09:26 .

[Turbo_J]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

For the record: I did fathom the importance of the Trinket... I've said as much earlier.

From what I gathered on Eletania, last probe to visit Earth was not prothean. It was Reaper tech.

The air grows colder, winter falls. You must range farther for food, clutching the furs tight against you to ward off the chill. It is on one of these long hunts that the strange bird returns. You hear it before you see it, its call a deafening roar as it descends from above, swooping down on you. A single great eye opens on the underbelly, a glowing red orb. You try to run, but a finger of red light extends from the eye and engulfs you, and all goes black again.

Remember, Javik said that when the invasion started, they halted all studies on primitive life.

Also, Hackett mentions to Shep that the Yahg are being left alone. They don't have any Tech even of their own making on their world.

They halted studies on primitive life, so the Mars outpost should've been abandoned right at the start of the Reaper war.  ...  Kind of odd, isn't it, that the Catalyst blueprints were there? 

Hmm, interesting theory on the Eletania vision. I hadn't considered that. But I have to ask, if the reapers captured that human with the implant, how did his memories end up in a prothean sphere? Also a clue to me that it was the protheans picking him back up was he says the "strange bird returns", but hey he's just a caveman, what does he know?

Also it's weird that the prothean blueprints were suspiciously left on mars untouched and unharmed, but the project scientist's VI was on Thessia...

It's a data drive, wireless transmitter - or even a memory shard, and that poor human was probably vaporized.

And an Asari had the 'trinket'

Modifié par Turbo_J, 09 juin 2012 - 09:27 .

[byne]

Rifneno wrote...

They halted studies on primitive life, so the Mars outpost should've been abandoned right at the start of the Reaper war.  ...  Kind of odd, isn't it, that the Catalyst blueprints were there? 

I think you mean the Crucible blueprints.

Anyhow, I still kind of like my idea that the Crucible is some kind of hyper powerful mass accelerator weapon.

Saying the protheans were building their Crucible on Mars, and saying the huge gash on Mars was due to testing the weapon, or it going off accidentally or something would be interesting. It'd be like the rift on Klendagon.

[ivenoidea]

Dwailing wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I don't know if you guys figured it out, but it was Jacob that talked about going to Rio after the war, when you talk to him in the hospital. I also didn't know that's where the N7 training school was, coupled with us also maybe getting six N7 classes (Seriously? We don't have enough humans???) that's fairly interesting. Also, if we do go to Rio in the EC, maybe that's where this could fit in?

It doesn't really look like Rio to me, but a lot like the Vancouver area ( live near there), easiest to see in the Normandy shots. It's just that that trailer's always bothered me, because nothing close to that ever happened. Also, Hammerheads. Steve said the tech labs are probably a pile of rubble, which instantly said to me that we were going to be getting it back. And because there's no vehicle in ME3 yet.

Just some stuff to think about.

You know, Jacob talked about Rio, and didn't the "leak" of the info for the new MP DLC mention that Rio is one of the maps?  I'd normally take a leak like this with a grain of salt, but considering that the last couple leaks have been accurate (And possibly done by BW to try to keep us satisfied or at least not homicidal until the EC is released.), I'm more inclined to think it could be accurate.

The landmass below the normandy at 2:42 does resemble south america, at least a bit. The scene is too short to really tell something.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

For the record: I did fathom the importance of the Trinket... I've said as much earlier.

From what I gathered on Eletania, last probe to visit Earth was not prothean. It was Reaper tech.

The air grows colder, winter falls. You must range farther for food, clutching the furs tight against you to ward off the chill. It is on one of these long hunts that the strange bird returns. You hear it before you see it, its call a deafening roar as it descends from above, swooping down on you. A single great eye opens on the underbelly, a glowing red orb. You try to run, but a finger of red light extends from the eye and engulfs you, and all goes black again.

Remember, Javik said that when the invasion started, they halted all studies on primitive life.

Also, Hackett mentions to Shep that the Yahg are being left alone. They don't have any Tech even of their own making on their world.

They halted studies on primitive life, so the Mars outpost should've been abandoned right at the start of the Reaper war.  ...  Kind of odd, isn't it, that the Catalyst blueprints were there? 

Hmm, interesting theory on the Eletania vision. I hadn't considered that. But I have to ask, if the reapers captured that human with the implant, how did his memories end up in a prothean sphere? Also a clue to me that it was the protheans picking him back up was he says the "strange bird returns", but hey he's just a caveman, what does he know?

Also it's weird that the prothean blueprints were suspiciously left on mars untouched and unharmed, but the project scientist's VI was on Thessia...

Well the archives on Mars seemed to have been buried as there seems to be a massive hole where it is so it is feasible it could have avoided Reaper detection.

The Thessia one however I have no idea about. that thing seemed huge and in plain sight...

Hmm, do you guys think it is coincedence that the very same species with that giant piece of "prothean tech" is also the one who develop genetic anormalies which the Reapers can exploit to make powerful mbiotic troops?

[Starbuck8]

Turbo_J wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

For the record: I did fathom the importance of the Trinket... I've said as much earlier.

From what I gathered on Eletania, last probe to visit Earth was not prothean. It was Reaper tech.

The air grows colder, winter falls. You must range farther for food, clutching the furs tight against you to ward off the chill. It is on one of these long hunts that the strange bird returns. You hear it before you see it, its call a deafening roar as it descends from above, swooping down on you. A single great eye opens on the underbelly, a glowing red orb. You try to run, but a finger of red light extends from the eye and engulfs you, and all goes black again.

Remember, Javik said that when the invasion started, they halted all studies on primitive life.

Also, Hackett mentions to Shep that the Yahg are being left alone. They don't have any Tech even of their own making on their world.

They halted studies on primitive life, so the Mars outpost should've been abandoned right at the start of the Reaper war.  ...  Kind of odd, isn't it, that the Catalyst blueprints were there? 

Hmm, interesting theory on the Eletania vision. I hadn't considered that. But I have to ask, if the reapers captured that human with the implant, how did his memories end up in a prothean sphere? Also a clue to me that it was the protheans picking him back up was he says the "strange bird returns", but hey he's just a caveman, what does he know?

Also it's weird that the prothean blueprints were suspiciously left on mars untouched and unharmed, but the project scientist's VI was on Thessia...

It's a data drive, wireless transmitter - or even a memory shard, and that poor human was probably vaporized.

And an Asari had the 'trinket'

Ah, so the memory was on the trinket and the sphere unlocked it, I always assumed it was the other way around. And the escaping scientist went to Thessia with his VI...

and lol that's a sad twist. Poor guy.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

byne wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

They halted studies on primitive life, so the Mars outpost should've been abandoned right at the start of the Reaper war.  ...  Kind of odd, isn't it, that the Catalyst blueprints were there? 

I think you mean the Crucible blueprints.

Anyhow, I still kind of like my idea that the Crucible is some kind of hyper powerful mass accelerator weapon.

Saying the protheans were building their Crucible on Mars, and saying the huge gash on Mars was due to testing the weapon, or it going off accidentally or something would be interesting. It'd be like the rift on Klendagon.

When did you first come up with that idea of the Crucible beeing a hyper powered mass accelerator cannon? Because I have been talking about how the Crucible might turn the Citadel into giant mass accelerator cannon fro quite some time...

Maybe one of us got inspired by the other without us noticing?

[byne]

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

No. But I didn't saw any example that disproves the Starchild's assertion.

Uh, how does the Morning War NOT disprove ReaperBieber's assertion?  The Quarians struck first, the Geth only fought to defend themselves.  The created did NOT turn on the creators.  The creators struck first.  HOLY ****!!!  I just realized something!  The Reaper Bieber's EXACT words are, "The created will always rebel against their creators."  Now, the Geth call the Quarians the Creators.  Well, the created (the Geth) did NOT rebel against their CREATORS (the Quarians).  My point is, the Geth use the EXACT words of ReaperBieber when talking about the Quarians.  But, they were not the ones that rebelled.  Hint?  Maybe?  Me being genuinely crazy this time?

Edit: OK, I'm just going to give this a slightly less crazy sound.  The ReaperBieber's usage of the word creators might be intended to make you think about the Quarians.

Rebellion can also mean that the created started to do things they creator didn't want them to do. In the case of geth they started to be self-aware or something like that. This can be viewed as a form of turning on the Quarians.

Even once they started being self-aware, their biggest form of rebellion was to try and continue working after being told to shut off.

It'd be like if back when I was a kid, and I stayed up past my bedtime, my parents noticed, and parents all around the world also noticed their kids were doing the same thing, and decided the best solution was to kill every child in the world.

[paxxton]

@Byne: You are considering a different problem. Whether someone agrees or not with the Catalyst. I merely say that his reasoning makes sense. I don't say if he is right or not.

Modifié par paxxton, 09 juin 2012 - 09:32 .

[D.Sharrah]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Snip...

I'll admit I have a hard time getting behind the idea that the collectors are rebelling or starting to rebel. But I do like your theory, it's very interesting, maybe needs some refinement? Anyway, would it help your theory to add that the collectors were doing genetic experiments on themselves, if I remember from ME2 correctly. Maybe they're trying to figure out how to break away from reaper control. (devils advocate: Could be harbinger directing them to perfect his creation)
idk

Yes...the Collector's experiments on themselves is a part of the theory...part of the problem is that there are so many strings of this theory that tying them all together into a single cohesive thought is difficult.  This is one of those items that I could use as evidence - but as you suggest there are alternative possibilities as well.

The theory is far from perfect...but I do think that its importance is trying to find a way that connects the dots between the plot lines of all 3 games...I admit it is a little crazy, but I find it hard to imagine that Bioware doesn't have a "story web" where they can visually see how everything connects...

[BleedingUranium]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Snip...

Except it is no longer a positive thing if your forces are gonna turn upon you sooner or later, even worse that they are doing it allready. If you dont have complete control over something like that it is safer to wipe it out.

And you ignore that Collector forces are still fighting alongside the Reapers as as I quoted and that the Reapers put what you have claimed is untrustworthy servants to build their newest Reaper.

The problem with this theory are massive.

As a response to someone I posted that maybe the rebellion isn't a foregone conclusion...but because the Reapers believe in ReaperBieber the Starbinger's (or Habinger's, if you prefer) circular logic (particularily pertaining to the created always rebelling against the creators) - its the mere perception that it exists as a possibility that drives them to quell the "rebellion" by perfroming another "cycle" and creating their newest tool.

And I never claimed that the theory was infallible...quite the opposite actually, I suggested that I might need to be sent to a rubber room.

After having an amusing, and really, really long "debate" with an Anti-ITer, I came an interesting conclusion, that also, I just realized, applies here.

There aren't actually Pro and Anti-ITers, what they really are are BW Is Good At Writing and BW Is Bad At Writing... ers.

Before we even get to IT, we have to ask if the person your talking with or about either thinks BW devs are good writers, or bad ones. If they have decided that BW sucks, no matter what you do, not matter what logic and evidence you can show them, they either won't believe IT, or believe they would that, in the unlikely event that IT is true, it would either be barely better than, or even worse then, the current literal ending.

Anyone who likes BW, or like me, hadn't really heard of them before, are always going to be open to the idea of IT. Regardless of how much they are convinced, or whether the are actually behind IT, for various good reasons, they will all be open to the idea of IT.

So, people that are Anti-BW, while they may be wrong about that, they are right about the complaints they make (not all of them) if you assume BW are bad writers/lazy/greedy.

Like I said, we shouldn't divide people into Pro-IT or Anti-IT, but into Pro (or neutral)-BW and Anti-BW.


Now, apply that same logic to the Starchild. His logic is sound if you accept that he is correct when he says that the created will always rebel against their creator. If that point were true, he'd be right, but since we can prove it's not true, then all the assumptions he makes because of that belief are thrown out the window.

[Starbuck8]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Snip...

I'll admit I have a hard time getting behind the idea that the collectors are rebelling or starting to rebel. But I do like your theory, it's very interesting, maybe needs some refinement? Anyway, would it help your theory to add that the collectors were doing genetic experiments on themselves, if I remember from ME2 correctly. Maybe they're trying to figure out how to break away from reaper control. (devils advocate: Could be harbinger directing them to perfect his creation)
idk

Yes...the Collector's experiments on themselves is a part of the theory...part of the problem is that there are so many strings of this theory that tying them all together into a single cohesive thought is difficult.  This is one of those items that I could use as evidence - but as you suggest there are alternative possibilities as well.

The theory is far from perfect...but I do think that its importance is trying to find a way that connects the dots between the plot lines of all 3 games...I admit it is a little crazy, but I find it hard to imagine that Bioware doesn't have a "story web" where they can visually see how everything connects...

Lol if only we could have a glance!

[Turbo_J]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

For the record: I did fathom the importance of the Trinket... I've said as much earlier.

From what I gathered on Eletania, last probe to visit Earth was not prothean. It was Reaper tech.

The air grows colder, winter falls. You must range farther for food, clutching the furs tight against you to ward off the chill. It is on one of these long hunts that the strange bird returns. You hear it before you see it, its call a deafening roar as it descends from above, swooping down on you. A single great eye opens on the underbelly, a glowing red orb. You try to run, but a finger of red light extends from the eye and engulfs you, and all goes black again.

Remember, Javik said that when the invasion started, they halted all studies on primitive life.

Also, Hackett mentions to Shep that the Yahg are being left alone. They don't have any Tech even of their own making on their world.

They halted studies on primitive life, so the Mars outpost should've been abandoned right at the start of the Reaper war.  ...  Kind of odd, isn't it, that the Catalyst blueprints were there? 

Hmm, interesting theory on the Eletania vision. I hadn't considered that. But I have to ask, if the reapers captured that human with the implant, how did his memories end up in a prothean sphere? Also a clue to me that it was the protheans picking him back up was he says the "strange bird returns", but hey he's just a caveman, what does he know?

Also it's weird that the prothean blueprints were suspiciously left on mars untouched and unharmed, but the project scientist's VI was on Thessia...

Well the archives on Mars seemed to have been buried as there seems to be a massive hole where it is so it is feasible it could have avoided Reaper detection.

The Thessia one however I have no idea about. that thing seemed huge and in plain sight...

Hmm, do you guys think it is coincedence that the very same species with that giant piece of "prothean tech" is also the one who develop genetic anormalies which the Reapers can exploit to make powerful mbiotic troops?

Read my post a few pages back (which I just bummped and it still got burried again for the second time) on my theory about the Asari genetic mods, Ardat-Yachti, and more.

[byne]

paxxton wrote...

@Byne: You are considering a different problem. Whether someone agrees or not with the Catalyst. I merely say that his reasoning makes sense. I don't say if he is right or not.

No. His reasoning does not make sense. His entire argument is based on the idea that because something can happen, it absolutely will happen.

Could I be crowned the SnowKing of Antarctica tomorrow, and mercilessly rule over my penguin subjects with a permafrost fist? Technically, yes, I could be.

Should I base all my plans around the idea that it happening is inevitable? Not unless I'm ****ing insane.

Modifié par byne, 09 juin 2012 - 09:37 .

[paxxton]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

No. But I didn't saw any example that disproves the Starchild's assertion.

Uh, how does the Morning War NOT disprove ReaperBieber's assertion?  The Quarians struck first, the Geth only fought to defend themselves.  The created did NOT turn on the creators.  The creators struck first.  HOLY ****!!!  I just realized something!  The Reaper Bieber's EXACT words are, "The created will always rebel against their creators."  Now, the Geth call the Quarians the Creators.  Well, the created (the Geth) did NOT rebel against their CREATORS (the Quarians).  My point is, the Geth use the EXACT words of ReaperBieber when talking about the Quarians.  But, they were not the ones that rebelled.  Hint?  Maybe?  Me being genuinely crazy this time?

Edit: OK, I'm just going to give this a slightly less crazy sound.  The ReaperBieber's usage of the word creators might be intended to make you think about the Quarians.

Rebellion can also mean that the created started to do things they creator didn't want them to do. In the case of geth they started to be self-aware or something like that. This can be viewed as a form of turning on the Quarians.

Even once they started being self-aware, their biggest form of rebellion was to try and continue working after being told to shut off.

It'd be like if back when I was a kid, and I stayed up past my bedtime, my parents noticed, and parents all around the world also noticed their kids were doing the same thing, and decided the best solution was to kill every child in the world.

It's irrelevant what the geth wanted or what they did. The important part was that they did something that the quarians didn't want. 

Parents just tell them to go to bed. This is a form of pacifying a rebellous child. Rebellion doesn't have to be about fighting with arms and fists.

[byne]

paxxton wrote...

It's irrelevant what the geth wanted or what they did. The important part was that they did something that the quarians didn't want. 

Parents just tell them to go to bed. This is a form of pacifying a rebellous child. Rebellion doesn't have to be about fighting with arms and fists.

It always seems to boil down to that when talking to anyone making excuses for the quarians.

Because slavery is ok as long as you make the slaves yourself!

Edit: Oh, wait, Paxxton, arent you one of the people in favor of Control if the endings turn out to be literal?

I dont know why I'm even surprised that you're ok with slavery if thats the case.

Modifié par byne, 09 juin 2012 - 09:43 .

[Starbuck8]

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

No. But I didn't saw any example that disproves the Starchild's assertion.

Uh, how does the Morning War NOT disprove ReaperBieber's assertion?  The Quarians struck first, the Geth only fought to defend themselves.  The created did NOT turn on the creators.  The creators struck first.  HOLY ****!!!  I just realized something!  The Reaper Bieber's EXACT words are, "The created will always rebel against their creators."  Now, the Geth call the Quarians the Creators.  Well, the created (the Geth) did NOT rebel against their CREATORS (the Quarians).  My point is, the Geth use the EXACT words of ReaperBieber when talking about the Quarians.  But, they were not the ones that rebelled.  Hint?  Maybe?  Me being genuinely crazy this time?

Edit: OK, I'm just going to give this a slightly less crazy sound.  The ReaperBieber's usage of the word creators might be intended to make you think about the Quarians.

Rebellion can also mean that the created started to do things they creator didn't want them to do. In the case of geth they started to be self-aware or something like that. This can be viewed as a form of turning on the Quarians.

Even once they started being self-aware, their biggest form of rebellion was to try and continue working after being told to shut off.

It'd be like if back when I was a kid, and I stayed up past my bedtime, my parents noticed, and parents all around the world also noticed their kids were doing the same thing, and decided the best solution was to kill every child in the world.

It's irrelevant what the geth wanted or what they did. The important part was that they did something that the quarians didn't want. 

Parents just tell them to go to bed. This is a form of pacifying a rebellous child. Rebellion doesn't have to be about fighting with arms and fists.

Well if you render the definition of all words to be so vague that they are basically meaningless, and assume that always=often=sometimes, then yes, the catalyst totally makes sense...