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[paxxton]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

paxxton wrote...

@Byne: I choose Control in the literal interpretation because according to this viewpoint Starchild is telling Shepard the truth that he can control the Reapers. The Reapers aren't innocent little kitties, they want to destroy humanity and all other advanced races. They are extremely hostile and have to be stopped. Control lets you end the Reaper invasion and at the same time preserve their technology for the benefit of all the races in the Galaxy.

It was my first choice as well but mostly because I was more-than-half asleep and didn't notice what he said didn't make much sense.
"Or, do you think you can control us?" (a question)
"So the Illusive Man was right..."
"Yes, but he could never have taken control, because WE already controlled HIM."
"But I can...:" (not a question)
"You will die, you will control us but you will lose everything you have."
"But the Reaper WILL obey me?"
"... ... Yes." (suspicious pause, maybe dialogue load lag or not)

How do you maintain control as you lose everything you have, everything that is you? After going through the ending a second time (while wide awake) and even before I heard about IT I didn't like that explanation, felt like the Catalyst was trying to trick me.

Those choices are actually all valid if you assume their desriptions given by the Catalyst are true. Otherwise it's a deception and IT holds true.

Modifié par paxxton, 09 juin 2012 - 11:07 .

[masster blaster]

I don't know if this was discussed yet but did any of you found it stage that your pistol has unlimited ammo in the opening of the game until the husk/child appear. just as you have unlimited ammo at the end game/half ending.

Modifié par masster blaster, 09 juin 2012 - 11:02 .

[D.Sharrah]

Arashi08 wrote...

byne wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Corik wrote...

I think you're kidding again xDDDDD

Starchild is anything but coherent!

Nah. He might seem incoherent at moments but it's because we had no opportunity to chat with him and listen to his story. As for the "Created will always rebel against their creators" line it makes sense even with the geth/quarian war.

So if something holds true in one instance than it must be universally true?

In that case, everyone in this topic must be a troll, because at least one troll has posted in this topic. <_<

I'll never understand why people try to justify the Reapers' hundreds of thousands of galactic genocides by saying that they're just trying to stop galactic genocide.

No matter how you try to twist it, it doesnt make any damned sense.

How about this, godchild: you have a nigh invincible fleet of starships. When synthetics get made, send in the Reapers and destroy them, warning organics not to make synthetics.

Yknow, at least warn them that you'll slaughter the entire galaxy if they make synthetics again once before actually following through on it?

Or, hey, maybe you shouldnt have left tech all over the galaxy that allows the organics to make synthetics in the first place.

Sovereign said we develop along the paths the Reapers desire, so clearly they want  synthetics to be created.

I know this is old by now but this post was reminiscent of one of my earlier posts concerning the Reapers' motives. 

Considering how they altered the Geth in our cycle, apparently altered the Zha'til in the Protheans' cycle, and because of what Sovereign states about civilizations developing along the paths they desire.  it is almost like the Reapers are deliberately allowing these patterns to emerge, so they can justify their own existence.  Reminds me of how the Prothean VI stated the Reapers were "servants of the pattern"  possibly meaning the actual Pattern is their master, because without the pattern they have no purpose.

Yeah...circular logic is...well circular.

[Dwailing]

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Beastpwnguy7 wrote...

Not sure if you all have heard but there is yet another leak for mass effect 3 stuff

http://www.reddit.co..._to_believe_me/

Basically it's another multiplayer dlc that has three new levels all on earth including London. He also has details on the extended cut, so it seems the two coincide in some way.

Apparently, this is coming from the same guy that told us about the rebellion dlc, and he was pretty damn accurate. If this is true, Arian Dynas is right on the mark with his theory about how BioWare was going to handle this whole thing. Looks promising

I posted that earlier today, but good find, nonetheless!

You do realize that Bioware can just say no that is wrong and all they have to do is change there plan A to plan B.

Uh, they didn't change their plans after the other leak (The Rebellion leak.).  I doubt they'll do it now, not with so much at stake.

[paxxton]

D.Sharrah wrote...

I am ashamed to admit...but the first time I made it to the end I think I picked synthesis in my sleep deprived state. Then I picked control (I wanted to see all the endings and that was just the second one that I went with). Since, I have not picked anything but destory.

LOL.  It seems sleep deprivation is a common justification for succumbing to indoctrination.

[MaximizedAction]

Dwailing wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Beastpwnguy7 wrote...

Not sure if you all have heard but there is yet another leak for mass effect 3 stuff

http://www.reddit.co..._to_believe_me/

Basically it's another multiplayer dlc that has three new levels all on earth including London. He also has details on the extended cut, so it seems the two coincide in some way.

Apparently, this is coming from the same guy that told us about the rebellion dlc, and he was pretty damn accurate. If this is true, Arian Dynas is right on the mark with his theory about how BioWare was going to handle this whole thing. Looks promising

I posted that earlier today, but good find, nonetheless!

You do realize that Bioware can just say no that is wrong and all they have to do is change there plan A to plan B.

Uh, they didn't change their plans after the other leak (The Rebellion leak.).  I doubt they'll do it now, not with so much at stake.

Yeah, too much steak.

[D.Sharrah]

Dwailing wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Beastpwnguy7 wrote...

Not sure if you all have heard but there is yet another leak for mass effect 3 stuff

http://www.reddit.co..._to_believe_me/

Basically it's another multiplayer dlc that has three new levels all on earth including London. He also has details on the extended cut, so it seems the two coincide in some way.

Apparently, this is coming from the same guy that told us about the rebellion dlc, and he was pretty damn accurate. If this is true, Arian Dynas is right on the mark with his theory about how BioWare was going to handle this whole thing. Looks promising

I posted that earlier today, but good find, nonetheless!

You do realize that Bioware can just say no that is wrong and all they have to do is change there plan A to plan B.

Uh, they didn't change their plans after the other leak (The Rebellion leak.).  I doubt they'll do it now, not with so much at stake.

And wasn't there a tweet ealier this week from Gamble that suggested that they had something big on the way that was discussed...I think that this would fit.  I think it was something about revealing something at Comic Con....

[Arashi08]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

byne wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Corik wrote...

I think you're kidding again xDDDDD

Starchild is anything but coherent!

Nah. He might seem incoherent at moments but it's because we had no opportunity to chat with him and listen to his story. As for the "Created will always rebel against their creators" line it makes sense even with the geth/quarian war.

So if something holds true in one instance than it must be universally true?

In that case, everyone in this topic must be a troll, because at least one troll has posted in this topic. <_<

I'll never understand why people try to justify the Reapers' hundreds of thousands of galactic genocides by saying that they're just trying to stop galactic genocide.

No matter how you try to twist it, it doesnt make any damned sense.

How about this, godchild: you have a nigh invincible fleet of starships. When synthetics get made, send in the Reapers and destroy them, warning organics not to make synthetics.

Yknow, at least warn them that you'll slaughter the entire galaxy if they make synthetics again once before actually following through on it?

Or, hey, maybe you shouldnt have left tech all over the galaxy that allows the organics to make synthetics in the first place.

Sovereign said we develop along the paths the Reapers desire, so clearly they want  synthetics to be created.

I know this is old by now but this post was reminiscent of one of my earlier posts concerning the Reapers' motives. 

Considering how they altered the Geth in our cycle, apparently altered the Zha'til in the Protheans' cycle, and because of what Sovereign states about civilizations developing along the paths they desire.  it is almost like the Reapers are deliberately allowing these patterns to emerge, so they can justify their own existence.  Reminds me of how the Prothean VI stated the Reapers were "servants of the pattern"  possibly meaning the actual Pattern is their master, because without the pattern they have no purpose.

Yeah...circular logic is...well circular.

Kind of like how President Eden in Fallout 3 says he is infallible because he was programmed to be.  I kinda see a similar correlation with the Reapers too...

Modifié par Arashi08, 09 juin 2012 - 11:08 .

[paxxton]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Beastpwnguy7 wrote...

Not sure if you all have heard but there is yet another leak for mass effect 3 stuff

http://www.reddit.co..._to_believe_me/

Basically it's another multiplayer dlc that has three new levels all on earth including London. He also has details on the extended cut, so it seems the two coincide in some way.

Apparently, this is coming from the same guy that told us about the rebellion dlc, and he was pretty damn accurate. If this is true, Arian Dynas is right on the mark with his theory about how BioWare was going to handle this whole thing. Looks promising

I posted that earlier today, but good find, nonetheless!

You do realize that Bioware can just say no that is wrong and all they have to do is change there plan A to plan B.

Uh, they didn't change their plans after the other leak (The Rebellion leak.).  I doubt they'll do it now, not with so much at stake.

And wasn't there a tweet ealier this week from Gamble that suggested that they had something big on the way that was discussed...I think that this would fit.  I think it was something about revealing something at Comic Con....

I want to see all those cities in the EC.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

paxxton wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

paxxton wrote...

@Byne: I choose Control in the literal interpretation because according to this viewpoint Starchild is telling Shepard the truth that he can control the Reapers. The Reapers aren't innocent little kitties, they want to destroy humanity and all other advanced races. They are extremely hostile and have to be stopped. Control lets you end the Reaper invasion and at the same time preserve their technology for the benefit of all the races in the Galaxy.

It was my first choice as well but mostly because I was more-than-half asleep and didn't notice what he said didn't make much sense.
"Or, do you think you can control us?" (a question)
"So the Illusive Man was right..."
"Yes, but he could never have taken control, because WE already controlled HIM."
"But I can...:" (not a question)
"You will die, you will control us but you will lose everything you have."
"But the Reaper WILL obey me?"
"... ... Yes." (suspicious pause, maybe dialogue load lag or not)

How do you maintain control as you lose everything you have, everything that is you? After going through the ending a second time (while wide awake) and even before I heard about IT I didn't like that explanation, felt like the Catalyst was trying to trick me.

Those choices are actually all valid if you assume their desriptions given by the Catalyst are true. Otherwise it's a deception and IT holds true.

I really don't know, a lot of what the Catalyst says seems ... let's say odd. His tone, his meaning, his questions and statements. Or maybe I'm thinking too much.

[MaximizedAction]

Fun fact:
The train sounds in the Control ending start EXACTLY once Shepard drops her weapon.
Fits perfectly to the dream symbol "trains" which, as a reminder, can stand for losing control or being guided in a particular direction.
Take that with Dwailing's post of the gun representing our control of Shepard/Shepard's control of herself.
Perfect.

[D.Sharrah]

paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

I am ashamed to admit...but the first time I made it to the end I think I picked synthesis in my sleep deprived state. Then I picked control (I wanted to see all the endings and that was just the second one that I went with). Since, I have not picked anything but destory.

LOL.  It seems sleep deprivation is a common justification for succumbing to indoctrination.

Well...for me sleep deprivation and playing ME go hand in hand.  If you have kids you'll understand this - your gaming time gets limited to the time that the kids are in bed.  Which means one of two things...either you are playing late at night when you should be sleeping - or - you are playing very early in the morning before the coffee has had a chance to kick in.  The things that we do for the games that we love...

Also, at that point - with my first playthrough I was spoiler free.  Didn't know what was coming...not sure if it would have mattered or not.  But once I had a chance to process what I seen (with all three choices) - I knew something was off and came here.  Found IT pretty early on and lurked forever.  Finally got up the nerve to post some questions and such - and now I can't stop.

And to bring it back to the sleep question, a funny thing while I was finishing my renegade (ok renegon) playthrough the other day and I was barely able to keep my eyes open during the last part...

[paxxton]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

paxxton wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

paxxton wrote...

@Byne: I choose Control in the literal interpretation because according to this viewpoint Starchild is telling Shepard the truth that he can control the Reapers. The Reapers aren't innocent little kitties, they want to destroy humanity and all other advanced races. They are extremely hostile and have to be stopped. Control lets you end the Reaper invasion and at the same time preserve their technology for the benefit of all the races in the Galaxy.

It was my first choice as well but mostly because I was more-than-half asleep and didn't notice what he said didn't make much sense.
"Or, do you think you can control us?" (a question)
"So the Illusive Man was right..."
"Yes, but he could never have taken control, because WE already controlled HIM."
"But I can...:" (not a question)
"You will die, you will control us but you will lose everything you have."
"But the Reaper WILL obey me?"
"... ... Yes." (suspicious pause, maybe dialogue load lag or not)

How do you maintain control as you lose everything you have, everything that is you? After going through the ending a second time (while wide awake) and even before I heard about IT I didn't like that explanation, felt like the Catalyst was trying to trick me.

Those choices are actually all valid if you assume their desriptions given by the Catalyst are true. Otherwise it's a deception and IT holds true.

I really don't know, a lot of what the Catalyst says seems ... let's say odd. His tone, his meaning, his questions and statements. Or maybe I'm thinking too much.

It all depends on the player's attitude. After 2822 pages of both threads it is hard not to perceive the Starchild as a lier and Harbinger's avatar. Every fluctuation in his tone, every pause are interpreted as a possible indicators that he is holding something back. It's because we all know what we have discovered.

Modifié par paxxton, 09 juin 2012 - 11:20 .

[D.Sharrah]

Does anyone know if there was any more resolution on the discussion from a couple days ago about "what happens to the catalyst" during the choices...destroy = disappears, control = becomes child, synthesis = ?...I remeber that someone posted that they thought they saw the child appear in synthesis too...but don't remember if there was any more resolution than that.

[paxxton]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Does anyone know if there was any more resolution on the discussion from a couple days ago about "what happens to the catalyst" during the choices...destroy = disappears, control = becomes child, synthesis = ?...I remeber that someone posted that they thought they saw the child appear in synthesis too...but don't remember if there was any more resolution than that.

As far as I remember HellishFiend mentioned that the child becomes corporeal in the Synthesis ending too.

Modifié par paxxton, 09 juin 2012 - 11:22 .

[masster blaster]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Does anyone know if there was any more resolution on the discussion from a couple days ago about "what happens to the catalyst" during the choices...destroy = disappears, control = becomes child, synthesis = ?...I remeber that someone posted that they thought they saw the child appear in synthesis too...but don't remember if there was any more resolution than that.

Who know for all we know this can be the same child at the end of the credits. Which I seriously doubt, but magic...

[Dwailing]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Beastpwnguy7 wrote...

Not sure if you all have heard but there is yet another leak for mass effect 3 stuff

http://www.reddit.co..._to_believe_me/

Basically it's another multiplayer dlc that has three new levels all on earth including London. He also has details on the extended cut, so it seems the two coincide in some way.

Apparently, this is coming from the same guy that told us about the rebellion dlc, and he was pretty damn accurate. If this is true, Arian Dynas is right on the mark with his theory about how BioWare was going to handle this whole thing. Looks promising

I posted that earlier today, but good find, nonetheless!

You do realize that Bioware can just say no that is wrong and all they have to do is change there plan A to plan B.

Uh, they didn't change their plans after the other leak (The Rebellion leak.).  I doubt they'll do it now, not with so much at stake.

Yeah, too much steak.

I ****ing love steak!  (To quote Shep. )

Modifié par Dwailing, 09 juin 2012 - 11:23 .

[Electra77]

Salient Archer wrote...

...
The reason I never chose to keep the collector base in ME2  is the same as why I originally chose Destroy in ME3, because ‘it was MY choice’. What I mean to say is that it was the decision I made in the first Mass Effect and I was going to stick to it, because it’s what I’ve always felt to be right.

I might not have been able to chose to have EDI on the SR-2, to use the Mass Relays or even to be resurrected by cerberus, but “I” (the player and Shepard) could chose to not wither my resolve from ME1 about destroying the Reapers, their perverse tech and everything they represent.

I was determined to do it on the collector base more so then ever because to do otherwise would mean that I am no better than Cerberus or even the Reapers themselves. To use your enemies methods doesn’t make you a clever tactician, it doesn’t give you the upper hand, it makes you no better than they are.



Back in ME2 I was convinced that the collector base could be the very thing to turn the tide, but we had hard proof that trying to unlock the secrets of Reaper tech corrupts and always leads to a fall and even with the ethical dilemma of what it represented aside it was a dangerous risk, it was an opportunity for mankind's grasp to extend past it’s reach. Shepard knows the dangers of Reaper tech, he’s seen what it did to Saren, he’s seen it on Virmire, he’s seen it on the derelict reaper and object rho and we the player have even more sources to prove that Reaper tech always leads to a fall and this doesn’t even cover the ethics in choosing to keep it. 

Regardless, I ask you this: Is mankind worth saving if we have to loose our humanity to do so?

We are confusing methods and tools.  Rounding everyone up to turn them in genetic ooze for a new reaper is their method.  Their technology is a tool, and in some cases that tool helps facilitate their actions.  Taking their technology does not require you to adopt, accept, or appove of their methods.  If you are a stone age civilization and found yourself fighting an industrial age civilization, you would not attempt to capture their guns and use those guns against your industrial age aggressors?

To your question, I reject that this is the binary choice I am offered.  Humanity requires a lot of defining as well before I could answer the question.  Right now I don't know what the price I'm being asked to pay, making the huge assumption that I have to fall into this binary trap.

[D.Sharrah]

paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Does anyone know if there was any more resolution on the discussion from a couple days ago about "what happens to the catalyst" during the choices...destroy = disappears, control = becomes child, synthesis = ?...I remeber that someone posted that they thought they saw the child appear in synthesis too...but don't remember if there was any more resolution than that.

As far as I remember HellishFiend mentioned that the child becomes corporeal in the Synthesis ending too.

I remember that part...the las thing I rember was that we were waiting for someone to flycam the scene (I can't since I am on the 360) to see if we could get a better sreen cap/vid of it...don't remember if that acrually happened or not.  And frankly, I am too lazy to go back through the last 100 pages or so to find it myself.

Modifié par D.Sharrah, 09 juin 2012 - 11:37 .

[paxxton]

D.Sharrah wrote...

paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Does anyone know if there was any more resolution on the discussion from a couple days ago about "what happens to the catalyst" during the choices...destroy = disappears, control = becomes child, synthesis = ?...I remeber that someone posted that they thought they saw the child appear in synthesis too...but don't remember if there was any more resolution than that.

As far as I remember HellishFiend mentioned that the child becomes corporeal in the Synthesis ending too.

I remember that part...the las thing I rember was that we were waiting for someone to flycam the scene (I can't since I am on the 360) to see if we could get a better sreen cap/vid of it...don't remember if that acrually happened or not.  And frankly, I am too lazt to go back through the last 100 pages or so to find it myself.

I'm unaware of any new findings in this area of IT research project. Unfortunately, I'm also too lazy to dig through 100 pages so you'll have to ask HellishFiend when he's here.

[MaximizedAction]

paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Does anyone know if there was any more resolution on the discussion from a couple days ago about "what happens to the catalyst" during the choices...destroy = disappears, control = becomes child, synthesis = ?...I remeber that someone posted that they thought they saw the child appear in synthesis too...but don't remember if there was any more resolution than that.

As far as I remember HellishFiend mentioned that the child becomes corporeal in the Synthesis ending too.

And Megumi screenshot the whole control sequence from another point of view, I think, and her series of pics indicated that the Catalyst remains in this ghostly form. So him turning real was just an artifact from the youtube video screenshot, Hellish posted.

[Dwailing]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Fun fact:
The train sounds in the Control ending start EXACTLY once Shepard drops her weapon.
Fits perfectly to the dream symbol "trains" which, as a reminder, can stand for losing control or being guided in a particular direction.
Take that with Dwailing's post of the gun representing our control of Shepard/Shepard's control of herself.
Perfect.

Huh, I don't think that's EXACTLY what my original idea was, but it IS easy to go from my idea to that.  I'd say it's something of a natural evolution of my idea.

Edit: This might be a matter of symantics more than anything else.  My theory originally was that the gun is Shepard's willpower, the Shepard we see and control is actually the litteral avatar of the player, and it ends up being our decision what we do with Shep's willpower (Throw it away or hold on tightly.).

Modifié par Dwailing, 09 juin 2012 - 11:45 .

[paxxton]

MaximizedAction wrote...

paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Does anyone know if there was any more resolution on the discussion from a couple days ago about "what happens to the catalyst" during the choices...destroy = disappears, control = becomes child, synthesis = ?...I remeber that someone posted that they thought they saw the child appear in synthesis too...but don't remember if there was any more resolution than that.

As far as I remember HellishFiend mentioned that the child becomes corporeal in the Synthesis ending too.

And Megumi screenshot the whole control sequence from another point of view, I think, and her series of pics indicated that the Catalyst remains in this ghostly form. So him turning real was just an artifact from the youtube video screenshot, Hellish posted.

Oh, no! I think Megumi posted a cleaner screenshot of the Starchild turning corporeal during Control.

Modifié par paxxton, 09 juin 2012 - 11:39 .

[masster blaster]

Well I really can't think up anymore thought about IT because we all have pretty much thought of everything we could think of . All we can do now is wait for the EC and hope we are all right about IT.

[paxxton]

masster blaster wrote...

Well I really can't think up anymore thought about IT because we all have pretty much thought of everything we could think of . All we can do now is wait for the EC and hope we are all right about IT.

Until Tuesday then.