BleedingUranium wrote...
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BleedingUranium wrote...
D.Sharrah wrote...
Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
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Except it is no longer a positive thing if your forces are gonna turn upon you sooner or later, even worse that they are doing it allready. If you dont have complete control over something like that it is safer to wipe it out.
And you ignore that Collector forces are still fighting alongside the Reapers as as I quoted and that the Reapers put what you have claimed is untrustworthy servants to build their newest Reaper.
The problem with this theory are massive.
As a response to someone I posted that maybe the rebellion isn't a foregone conclusion...but because the Reapers believe in ReaperBieber the Starbinger's (or Habinger's, if you prefer) circular logic (particularily pertaining to the created always rebelling against the creators) - its the mere perception that it exists as a possibility that drives them to quell the "rebellion" by perfroming another "cycle" and creating their newest tool.
And I never claimed that the theory was infallible...quite the opposite actually, I suggested that I might need to be sent to a rubber room. 
After having an amusing, and really, really long "debate" with an Anti-ITer, I came an interesting conclusion, that also, I just realized, applies here.
There aren't actually Pro and Anti-ITers, what they really are are BW Is Good At Writing and BW Is Bad At Writing... ers.
Before we even get to IT, we have to ask if the person your talking with or about either thinks BW devs are good writers, or bad ones. If they have decided that BW sucks, no matter what you do, not matter what logic and evidence you can show them, they either won't believe IT, or believe they would that, in the unlikely event that IT is true, it would either be barely better than, or even worse then, the current literal ending.
Anyone who likes BW, or like me, hadn't really heard of them before, are always going to be open to the idea of IT. Regardless of how much they are convinced, or whether the are actually behind IT, for various good reasons, they will all be open to the idea of IT.
So, people that are Anti-BW, while they may be wrong about that, they are right about the complaints they make (not all of them) if you assume BW are bad writers/lazy/greedy.
Like I said, we shouldn't divide people into Pro-IT or Anti-IT, but into Pro (or neutral)-BW and Anti-BW.
Now, apply that same logic to the Starchild. His logic is sound if you accept that he is correct when he says that the created will always rebel against their creator. If that point were true, he'd be right, but since we can prove it's not true, then all the assumptions he makes because of that belief are thrown out the window.
I.... would have to agree with that. I've always thought that Bioware are the most brilliant writers of all time (Playing KOTOR before you were a teenager does that to a person, even if I didn't know it at the time.
), and that's always been THE main reason I believe in IT. The evidence is great, but it's my refusal to accept that Bioware could frak up this badly that has kept my belief intact. Sadly, others seem to not think that. So, they deny IT on principle alone. I don't want to start a flame war or anything, but I feel like I'm part of the Evolution vs. Creationism debate that has raged for the last 150 or so years. If someone believes that the Bible is the Word of God, then no matter what evidence you show them in favor of Evolution, you will never convince them that Evolution is real.
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