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[masster blaster]

I know I said this on the last post but when the Normandy is running from the explosion, it reminded me of the Collector attack in ME2. and when Joker turned around to see what happened to Presley, he did the same thing at the end.

Also if you pay close attention to both Normandy's in ME2 and ME3 the engines are the first to go and look at the breaches in the Normandy's look familiar.

[Bill Casey]

hoodaticus wrote...

Yeah, but the Bible doesn't say how the species were created

In Genesis II, it says God formed man from the dust on the ground, breathed life into him, removed one of his ribs and fashioned a woman out of it...

God formed each of the animals out of the ground, brought them before Adam and had Adam randomly name them...
Despite Genesis I saying God made the animals first and then man, making this a total plot hole...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 10 juin 2012 - 01:18 .

[TJBartlemus]

Riot86 wrote...

After my thoughts on some similarities I found between parts of the Citadel and Cronos Station as well as the Satellite dish from Projekt Overlord (if you are interested - my post can be found here: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12047832/581#12474519) I'd like to share some of my thoughts on the idea most of "Priority: Earth" being a hallucination.
I hope I'll get lucky again and can contribute something useful and new


So, in this thread some people thought about the possibility that not only the part after Harbingers beam takes place in Shepards head, but in fact the majority of "Priority: Earth".

If this should be the case, I would assume that much like the Citadel in the ending, London might contain elements from Shepard's memory. So I kept my eyes out to spot something familiar.

And I actually believe I found 2 things, which reminded me A LOT of places I visited earlier in the game.


1.) Is this Earth or Menae?

After taking out the AA Battery, you'll find yourself in the Forward Operating Base. A place which I felt was a little too peaceful with all the fighting going on just a few blocks away. I can't describe it in better words, but I just got the feeling something was "off".



But for some reason, the atmosphere and even the base itself seemed very familiar to me.

I was almost certain I had the same feeling of "nothing is happening here" with a war raging on just outside before - in the turian base on Menae during "Priority: Palavan" in fact.



So, I tried to find some similarities between them. This is what I gathered:

- As stated above, the mood in both encampments was actually kinda peacefull given the circumstances
- On the right side of each base, you find a communication terminal (in London used to contact your ME 2 Squadmates, on Menae used by General Corinthus to contact Palavan)
- In the middle of each base is a turret in an elevated position
- Which you have to use in both cases to defend the base against Husks and Cannibals
- Even the provisorily lamp posts are absolut identical (though this in fact could really be a case of reused assets)
- And surprisingly Primarch Victus is in London, too (Shep himself wonders why he is there),  which even further establishes a connection to the mission on Menae

Oh, and remember the briefing with Anderson and Coates?



Looks a bit like this, if you ask me...




2.) Is this London or Vancouver?

After you got your briefing from Captain Anderson, the push to the Conduit begins. For me, this is the moment where "Priority: Earth" actually starts, as this is the final assault.

So, after fighting some Reaper troops you'll end up in a parking lot. Via a ladder you enter the first buidling in this part of the mission. And then you come across this door...



The moment I saw the husk I immediately thought of the beginning of the game. For those who can't remember, while fleeing from Vancouver in the first building you enter you come across a door, were the exact same thing happens to you.



And to be honest, I couldn't remember another instance, where a Husk attacked you through a half opened door like this in Mass Effect 3.

But what happens after this in Vancouver? Well, of course it is time for our favourite little boy to appear in a ventilation duct to the left.



So naturally, after getting attacked by a Husk in London in the exact same fashion I took a look to the left as well.



And there was an airduct, too.

But that's not all - right beside the airduct is a console which can be interacted with. And on it, you'll find a message of a boy who tried to contact his parents. That's another nice coincident, isnt it?

Also, Vancouver is the last time you saw Anderson in person before London. So, after meeting him again in London there is a deja-vu like this for now reason whatsoever?

Oh, and in both cases you use a ladder moments before you reach set door. Which is another strange similarity.


Of course, this is no proof that these part of "Priority: Earth" take place in Shepards head. I'm still not 100% sure myself whether to think this part is real or just a hallucination. But at least I think I can say now, that there are indeed some strange things going on in London 

So, what do you think? Are there any resemblences? And if there are, are they intended or just coincidences?

This is a great find in my opinion!! I noticed the husk one, and found it weird too. This could absolutly help with the idea that the "indoctrination dream" starts before you get on the shuttle.

[Big Bad]

Bill Casey wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

Yeah, but the Bible doesn't say how the species were created

In Genesis II, it says God formed man from the dust on the ground, breathed life into him, removed one of his ribs and fashioned a woman out of it...

God formed each of the animals out of the ground, brought them before Adam and had Adam randomly name them...
Despite Genesis I saying God made the animals first and then man, making this a total plot hole...

I pretty much agree with you, but can we please not start an evolution vs. creation debate.  I've had enough of those to last several lifetimes!

[hoodaticus]

Bill Casey wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

Yeah, but the Bible doesn't say how the species were created

In Genesis II, it says God formed man from the dust on the ground, breathed life into him, removed one of his ribs and fashioned a woman out of it...

God formed each of the animals out of the ground, brought them before Adam and had Adam randomly name them...
Despite Genesis I saying God made the animals first and then man, making this a total plot hole...

I forgot about man being abiogenesised by God directly, without evolving.  From a raw probability perspective however, random abiogenesis directly into human form is just as probable as taking a billion years to get there through random changes.

[hoodaticus]

Big Bad wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

Yeah, but the Bible doesn't say how the species were created

In Genesis II, it says God formed man from the dust on the ground, breathed life into him, removed one of his ribs and fashioned a woman out of it...

God formed each of the animals out of the ground, brought them before Adam and had Adam randomly name them...
Despite Genesis I saying God made the animals first and then man, making this a total plot hole...

I pretty much agree with you, but can we please not start an evolution vs. creation debate.  I've had enough of those to last several lifetimes!

I hate those debates too, that's why I'm giving everyone else the last word.

[TJBartlemus]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

So, in this thread some people thought about the possibility that not only the part after Harbingers beam takes place in Shepards head, but in fact the majority of "Priority: Earth".

If this should be the case, I would assume that much like the Citadel in the ending, London might contain elements from Shepard's memory. So I kept my eyes out to spot something familiar.

And I actually believe I found 2 things, which reminded me A LOT of places I visited earlier in the game.

*snip*

Mind totally blown. Good job!

It could actually also explain why you have almost no contact or interaction with Harbinger. I mean really, Harbinger is shooting at you and he wouldn't say anything? Maybe he is too focused on indoctrinating shepard, like how sovereign was too focused on controlling saren?

[UrgentArchengel]

Feeling really dumb tonight. Don't know what it is, but lots of people have got something shoved up where the sun don't shine. Anyway, I refute my Thoery from earlier, it was just some stupid thing I thought of, never put any thought in it, just wanted to see if anyone here thought it could be possible. I have shamed the greats of Indoctrination Theorists. I am not worthy!

Anyway, I still don't think IT was originally intended, but I agree that IT will happen regardless.

[masster blaster]

My question is for all of us. If Bioware said no game play, or change to the end in the DLC is true, then why do they still have IT up for debate and was it just me or during Pax they seemed to act funny when IT came up.

[UrgentArchengel]

masster blaster wrote...

My question is for all of us. If Bioware said no game play, or change to the end in the DLC is true, then why do they still have IT up for debate and was it just me or during Pax they seemed to act funny when IT came up.

Since when was there no gameplay?

[masster blaster]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

My question is for all of us. If Bioware said no game play, or change to the end in the DLC is true, then why do they still have IT up for debate and was it just me or during Pax they seemed to act funny when IT came up.

Since when was there no gameplay?

I meant no further more editional game play to the DLC is plained at this time.

[TJBartlemus]

Looks like the surprise for EC that BioWare was prepping to release was leaked....

(couldn't get the image but here is link) http://i.imgur.com/u8BWP.gif

[TJBartlemus]

@Riot86 Have you got a picture of the painting over the vent in Priority Earth? It's blacked out in the pic you have and I want to know if it is at all important.

[estebanus]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Looks like the surprise for EC that BioWare was prepping to release was leaked....

(couldn't get the image but here is link) http://i.imgur.com/u8BWP.gif

THIS PROVES IT!!!

[masster blaster]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Looks like the surprise for EC that BioWare was prepping to release was leaked....

(couldn't get the image but here is link) http://i.imgur.com/u8BWP.gif

is that biotic god.

[masster blaster]

K time to play MP for ME3

[Riot86]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

This post is made of so much win.

Starbuck8 wrote...

Mind totally blown. Good job!

TJBartlemus wrote...
This is a great find in my opinion!! [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie] I noticed the husk one, and found it weird too. This could absolutly help with the idea that the "indoctrination dream" starts before you get on the shuttle.

Thanks...I'm glad I could contribute something of use to this thread

TJBartlemus wrote...

@Riot86 Have you got a picture of the painting over the vent in Priority Earth? It's blacked out in the pic you have and I want to know if it is at all important.

I actually tried to get a picture of the painting, but the lighting at this spot was really weird...the painting seems to be illuminated by much less light than it should be - making it impossible to spot anything, sorry

I guess someone actually has to find the texture used here and look at it with an editor to be able to tell, what the painting is showing.

Modifié par Riot86, 10 juin 2012 - 02:07 .

[Ianamus]

I'm confused... do the people here merely think that the Indoctrination theory is a fun bit of speculation that actually manages to explain the badly written ending (which I agree with) or that the Indoctrination theory is actually what Bioware intended/plan to "make canon" in the extended cut?

Because I'll have to honest, I think Bioware just wrote a shoddy ending. I don't believe that they had any great plan, and just because the indoctrination theory "makes sense" does not mean that it is intended. The Extended cut will almost certainly just do what it has been said to, add a few extra cutscenes to the ending to make it less ambiguous. Nothing else.

Modifié par EJ107, 10 juin 2012 - 02:04 .

[Riot86]

Just a quick question:
Do we see a hamster cage in another place than Shepard's cabin? 'cause if we don't, then I might have found another thing that's weird about London

Modifié par Riot86, 10 juin 2012 - 02:15 .

[Ctoagu]

EJ107 wrote...

I'm confused... do the people here merely think that the Indoctrination theory is a fun bit of speculation that actually manages to explain the badly written ending (which I agree with) or that the Indoctrination theory is actually what Bioware intended/plan to "make canon" in the extended cut?

Because I'll have to honest, I think Bioware just wrote a shoddy ending. I don't believe that they had any great plan, and just because the indoctrination theory "makes sense" does not mean that it is intended. The Extended cut will almost certainly just do what it has been said to, add a few extra cutscenes to the ending to make it less ambiguous. Nothing else.

Yeah, but there's a lot of stuff going on throughout the whole game that hints towards IT. Not to mention that barely a few days after the outrage over the endings, one of BW's employees tweeted in response that, if we knew what they had in store for us, our reaction would be different. Cue the EC being announced later on.

That, and 'just a few cutscenes' wouldn't take as long as this to foot out the door.

Edit: Brainfart leading me to say that the 'just a few cutscenes' would take longer than a few months.

Modifié par Ctoagu, 10 juin 2012 - 02:17 .

[Starbuck8]

Riot86 wrote...

Just a quick question:
Do we see a hamster cage in another place than Shepard's cabin? 'cause if we don't, then I might have found another thing that's weird about London

Lol I want to see! There's a (space) hamster cage in London?

[Ianamus]

Ctoagu wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

I'm confused... do the people here merely think that the Indoctrination theory is a fun bit of speculation that actually manages to explain the badly written ending (which I agree with) or that the Indoctrination theory is actually what Bioware intended/plan to "make canon" in the extended cut?

Because I'll have to honest, I think Bioware just wrote a shoddy ending. I don't believe that they had any great plan, and just because the indoctrination theory "makes sense" does not mean that it is intended. The Extended cut will almost certainly just do what it has been said to, add a few extra cutscenes to the ending to make it less ambiguous. Nothing else.

Yeah, but there's a lot of stuff going on throughout the whole game that hints towards IT. Not to mention that barely a few days after the outrage over the endings, one of BW's employees tweeted in response that, if we knew what they had in store for us, our reaction would be different. Cue the EC being announced later on.

That, and 'just a few cutscenes' wouldn't take as long as this to foot out the door.

Edit: Brainfart leading me to say that the 'just a few cutscenes' would take longer than a few months.

I think that the long time has more to do with the heavy focus on multiplayer DLC to be honest, not the actual difficulty of making the scenes. 

I'm not trying to be harsh or cruel to any of the people who support the theory (It's a fun bit of speculation) but the Dev's have outright said multiple times that the ending will not change. I know that they don't exactly have the best track record for honesty lately, but I do worry that some people are expecting too much from the DLC. I felt the blow of the ending pretty hard myself, and I worry that by expecting the extended cut to just go "All of what you saw was fake! Here's your REAL ending!" people are just setting themselves up for yet another disappointment. 

Modifié par EJ107, 10 juin 2012 - 02:23 .

[Sero303]

EJ107 wrote...

I'm confused... do the people here merely think that the Indoctrination theory is a fun bit of speculation that actually manages to explain the badly written ending (which I agree with) or that the Indoctrination theory is actually what Bioware intended/plan to "make canon" in the extended cut?

Because I'll have to honest, I think Bioware just wrote a shoddy ending. I don't believe that they had any great plan, and just because the indoctrination theory "makes sense" does not mean that it is intended. The Extended cut will almost certainly just do what it has been said to, add a few extra cutscenes to the ending to make it less ambiguous. Nothing else.

Is it possible that they wrote such an incredibly BAD ending, but somehow, perhaps on a subconscience level they managed to add in all sorts of little hints, little things that would be discovered after weeks of intense debate? Is it possible that they wrote such a bad ending, but managed to include just enough so that if you happen to throw in this one thing ( IDT ) it explains everything and gives them an  "out"

...I doubt it too, in all honesty I have just about given up completely on this franchise like so many others we will have to simply wait and see. But on a serious note, I mean we (the fans) basically gave them, wrote out word for word, detail upon detail the IDT ... and if they didn't decide to use it ( even though it is ripping us off I dont care! ) then they should realy be fired...

[Riot86]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

Just a quick question:
Do we see a hamster cage in another place than Shepard's cabin? 'cause if we don't, then I might have found another thing that's weird about London

Lol I want to see! There's a (space) hamster cage in London?

The cage can be found in the same room in which you got attacked by the husk through the door. It is actually in the corner between the door and the airduct. Unfortunately the hamster seems to be dead, as there is only on a bloodstain inside...poor Boo





Like with the painting above the vent, the lighting seems to be a bit weird here...again, it is way to dark making it hard to spot anything inside the cage. You actually have to find the right angle to get a good look at the bloodstain.

Modifié par Riot86, 10 juin 2012 - 02:33 .