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Is it just me, or does that painting look like an abstract image of a Reaper?


Yeah that's what I thought too about the painting but didn't really figure it could add to IT. Regarding to the bed looking like Shepards and the fact there is a burnt body there I feel is symbolism or some type of message cause:

1-Why would the reapers burn a body? It is waste of organic material. They use both alive and dead bodies and the Reapers leave that one there, why? It obviously wasn't burnt by an explosion because everything else is fine.

2- If the fact the room is a representation of Shepards cabin and the fact there is a burnt body on a bed means that the body is meant to be Shepard.

I might be reading too much into this, so please tell me if I am. :blush:


Ok yeah, like from the last dream where s/he burned, on fire. Ok, really creepy.

EDIT: Ok seems like something I should remember, but do we see other burnt bodies, anything like this elsewhere in the game or in London?

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UrgentArchengel wrote...

Had a real rough night. Been called trash to my face for no reason, been treated like a total idiot, and you know what, I'm done. Had fun while it lasted. Not sure why I am here anymore. I actually don't care if IT is true anymore. I just don't fit in it seems. If I come back, I'm not posting anymore. Better to save my a** then lose it.


:crying: some people have been... kinda rude on the thread at times. Sorry.
You shouldn't let their bad attitudes affect you.

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Starbuck8 wrote...

:crying: some people have been... kinda rude on the thread at times. Sorry.
You shouldn't let their bad attitudes affect you.


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Some people just like to watch things burn.  Don't let it affect you. 

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@Urgent: I'm sorry you had a negative experience. I hope you'll come back at some point. If not, then I at least hope you'll be hear for the party after the EC shows that we (And you.) were right all along.

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Starbuck8 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

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Is it just me, or does that painting look like an abstract image of a Reaper?


Yeah that's what I thought too about the painting but didn't really figure it could add to IT. Regarding to the bed looking like Shepards and the fact there is a burnt body there I feel is symbolism or some type of message cause:

1-Why would the reapers burn a body? It is waste of organic material. They use both alive and dead bodies and the Reapers leave that one there, why? It obviously wasn't burnt by an explosion because everything else is fine.

2- If the fact the room is a representation of Shepards cabin and the fact there is a burnt body on a bed means that the body is meant to be Shepard.

I might be reading too much into this, so please tell me if I am. :blush:


Ok yeah, like from the last dream where s/he burned, on fire. Ok, really creepy.

EDIT: Ok seems like something I should remember, but do we see other burnt bodies, anything like this elsewhere in the game or in London?


I don't recall if there are more burned bodies.


However, you're right about the last dream Shepard has is of him/her burning.  And considering its in a very similar room to Shep's cabin (though the corpse is on the wrong side of the bed, based on various LI scenes).  And the sort-of Reaper abstract art (its vague to make out, but the bit on the right side especially looks like the outline of a Destroyer)...

Very interesting.  Maybe just an easter egg, but still...

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Starbuck8 wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Had a real rough night. Been called trash to my face for no reason, been treated like a total idiot, and you know what, I'm done. Had fun while it lasted. Not sure why I am here anymore. I actually don't care if IT is true anymore. I just don't fit in it seems. If I come back, I'm not posting anymore. Better to save my a** then lose it.


:crying: some people have been... kinda rude on the thread at times. Sorry.
You shouldn't let their bad attitudes affect you.


Yeah, don't think anything of it. Feel free to message though if your feeling down. No one should be treated like garbage for doing something they enjoy. People arguing on forums over stupid things like 'only idiots believe in IT', or 'you must be an idiot if you think there is a connection' is just a shame. If you're seriously going to be rude to the point of actually hurting someone, then you really need to get off the computer and actually do something with your life, because you are obviously deprived of so much human contact that you need to resort to this kind of behavior.

Again, feel free to PM if you feel down. I support IT, and I support those who support that I support IT support. 

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Okay, folks. How can we make sense of this low-EMS control / collector base situation?

Does it have to do with the difference in the Reaper heart and the Reaper brain inside the Crucible?

I've no idea what to really do with it.

May take on low EMS in general is this:

In my eyes, low EMS always means Shepard becomes indoctrinated. With such a poor fleet he has no hope of winning the battle form the start, thus is willpower is severly weakened. Even by picking the "right" choice DESTROY, his will to fight off the Indoctrination is just not strong enough. He loses to the Reapers, as illustrated by Earth and possibly all other planets hit by the red wave being completely vaporized. As Shepard himself said: "Wihout hope, we might as well be machines".


As for why the possible low-EMS choice is depending on your decision concerning the Collector Base in ME 2:

Like I said before, with low EMS it doesn't matter what you do, you just can't win against the process of Indoctrination. So the Reaper don't need to drag you over to their side with "tricks" like suggesting SYNHTESIS. So, they just present you with the choice that Shepard would most likley pick.

A Shepard who destroyed the collector Base would arguably also choose to end the Reaper thread. So he gets DESTROY.

A Shepard who decided, that destroying all the technology from the Collector Base would be a mistake, would most likely agree with TIM, that destroying the Reapers would be also a mistake if there would be a way to control them instead. So he gets CONTROL.

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If I was discussing the fact that it was used as a tool to grind people up and turn them into a proto-reaper goo than I’d understand your point, but I’m not discussing if it’s just morally right or wrong to keep it because of what it did or what it stand for. What I’m trying to say is that Shepard has hard evidence that the study of Reaper technology leads to indoctrination and that the technology eventually turns on those who try to wield it (see: Virmire or the Derelict Reaper) could you honestly hand a piece of technology like that over knowing that those who are subjected to it (much like the Leviathan) will become mindless slaves to the Reapers, who then in turn could eventually be planted in key areas of society to destroy entire civilizations? Or could you hand it over to a man who later proves that he has a deep interest in abducting people to huskify them for his own needs?

We as a player have even more proof of why it’s a poor decision to research Reaper tech such as The Arch Monolith in evolution or those affected by the research of Sovereign in Revelation or even Object Rho in Arrival. This is not to mention the other times brought up in ME2, Ascension, Invasion, Retribution or the countless reports in ME3 about those affected by Reaper indoctrination such as the Baterian Leviathan.

This is the point I’m argueing: a logical Shepard Renegade or Paragon would know that the Technology would cause incalculable harm for very little to no gain.

To summarize: it’d be like handing all your troops the guns of your enemies but forgeting to mention to them that after they fire their first round it’s rigid to blow both their hands off.

P.S. About binary choice, that a very fair call. It was wrong of me to force you into such a black and white choice, but sometimes they’re the only choices we are offered in life. Anyway, You say you don’t like being offered only two choices, but yet you played Mass Effect 3? You must have been stoked when the ending offered you three choices. :P


Fair enough on the morality question.  If there is no way to study reaper tech without succumbing to indoctrination, then the war is already lost.  At this point, galatic society is maybe a post-information age society (in terms of our own civilization).  The reapers are far beyond that and have created devices like the relays that are for all intents and purposes to us like magic.  As you point out, even their most mundane devices can subvert their enemies to their own advantage.  So ,what hope is there?

Back to indoctrination theory, you wrest free and then what?  You, like Javik, become the scion of a dying species. 

On the ps, there are really few black and white choices, but my problem was really more with the thought that the consequences implied were one dimensional.  That aside, great questions have multidimensional consequences.  That is what is good about Witcher 2's morality engine.  I am with folks who are disappointed by the three choice option and the feable responses of the alleged Catalyst.  Catalyst postulates a universal principle.  We are just asked to accept that.  Further, we are just asked to accept Catalysts's response to that universal principle.  If Shepard isn't hallucinating, he is in some state of shock or concusion that is interfering with his ability to reason.  All choices fit within the construct that Catalyst has setup for us.  No matter what we choose, we are forced to accept his statements.  Three choices constrained by someone else's postulates you must accept as fact are no more satisfying than two choices.

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As I read through everything I just wanted to say that Riot86 is kicking ass with his recent posts. The similarities are interesting. I agree with what someone else said: if you find a picture of the LI or Shepard's old N7 helmet in Priority:Earth, I'll promptly start to freak out.

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One thing I noticed. When Joker is running away from 'The Plot Hole', why does he look behind himself? Think about it, the Normandy is not a car; there is no rear windshield, so him looking behind himself would just make him look at the galaxy map at the rear of the ship.

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Andromidius wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

*snip*


Is it just me, or does that painting look like an abstract image of a Reaper?


Yeah that's what I thought too about the painting but didn't really figure it could add to IT. Regarding to the bed looking like Shepards and the fact there is a burnt body there I feel is symbolism or some type of message cause:

1-Why would the reapers burn a body? It is waste of organic material. They use both alive and dead bodies and the Reapers leave that one there, why? It obviously wasn't burnt by an explosion because everything else is fine.

2- If the fact the room is a representation of Shepards cabin and the fact there is a burnt body on a bed means that the body is meant to be Shepard.

I might be reading too much into this, so please tell me if I am. :blush:


Ok yeah, like from the last dream where s/he burned, on fire. Ok, really creepy.

EDIT: Ok seems like something I should remember, but do we see other burnt bodies, anything like this elsewhere in the game or in London?


I don't recall if there are more burned bodies.


However, you're right about the last dream Shepard has is of him/her burning.  And considering its in a very similar room to Shep's cabin (though the corpse is on the wrong side of the bed, based on various LI scenes).  And the sort-of Reaper abstract art (its vague to make out, but the bit on the right side especially looks like the outline of a Destroyer)...

Very interesting.  Maybe just an easter egg, but still...

There is actually another burned body in the game I can think of...it is found in the same room on a stretcher :D

The message found in the apartment strongly suggest, that these two bodies are in fact the parents of the boy who wrote the message.

So maybe the second body is a representation of your LI. It would actually be nice to see, if this second body would also be there, if your Shep didn't romance anybody throughout the series.
(Same goes with the hamster cage - I'd like to know if a "No-Hamster-Shep" also stumbles across this cage in London ^_^)

Modifié par Riot86, 10 juin 2012 - 04:13 .


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LazyTechGuy wrote...

As I read through everything I just wanted to say that Riot86 is kicking ass with his recent posts. The similarities are interesting. I agree with what someone else said: if you find a picture of the LI or Shepard's old N7 helmet in Priority:Earth, I'll promptly start to freak out.


Yeah, I agree. However, I wouldn' necessarily claim that the whole thing is a dream.
Honestly, though, that's not because I think it's crazy, it's just that I don't want to have that whole battle over the Thanix missles rendered pointless. That son of a bosh'tet was the hardest battle in the game. However, the feeling that came from winning it.... To quote Tali, "Totally worth it." That was a true crowning moment of awesome.

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UrgentArchengel wrote...

Had a real rough night. Been called trash to my face for no reason, been treated like a total idiot, and you know what, I'm done. Had fun while it lasted. Not sure why I am here anymore. I actually don't care if IT is true anymore. I just don't fit in it seems. If I come back, I'm not posting anymore. Better to save my a** then lose it.


Dude, are you just going to let people stomp on you in RL as well? If people give you crap for no reason, smile and walk away. But don't let it affect you. Some people are just a**holes, and as dreamgazer said, just want to watch things burn. My father has always told me a saying as I've grown up. When I was hurt by someone he would tell me, "Landon, hurting people hurt people."

It not only made sense, but got me to understand and be sympathetic to what those who hurt me are probably going through as well. It just means that people who are in pain will dish out pain to others. No one likes to feel pain. It makes us moody, upset, and possibly angry. It can turn us into something we're not. So don't take flaming, and hate speech seriously. ESPECIALLY on the internet. ESPECIALLY in a forum. Thats just natural. You should know that heading in. You should know that if you post your opinions, some people will disagree, and some will act hostile to you just because they're dicks. However, the vast majority are good fun loving citizens who wish you no harm. So, don't let the few pricks who want nothing more than rage at someone, ruin your day. They deserve just as much attention and respect as they give you. So, in the end, ignore them.

Only you can determine how you live and look at life. I can only imagine that if you let people bully you on the internet, you might also let them bully you in RL. Grow up, act like a man, stand up for yourself, and don't take s*** from people who have nothing better to do than throw it at your face. These losers just thrive off of it. They probably lead suck ass lives themselves, so their method of feeling better is tearing down everyone they can to their level. Your job is to laugh off their pathetic attempts and move on. Most are trolls, or flamers, nothing else. People who DESPERATELY need to get off the internet and live their life. 

Point, you decide who you are. No one else. You are the captain of your own ship, so you decide who gets to steer it. You, or the imbeciles who have no life and wish to make yours a little worse? Your decision.

Drive it, man. Drive it into the f****** sunset and run over whoever tries to tear you down. No one controls how you act and react but you. Live and let live. Smile, and live life large. Too little time we have to let others ruin it for us. Just be yourself, and live your life. That's all anyone can ever do.

Daddy pep talk over. :P

PS. Probably WAY overdid it, but its late anyway, and I don't really give a s***.

Modifié par Makrys, 10 juin 2012 - 04:23 .


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dmay7 wrote...

One thing I noticed. When Joker is running away from 'The Plot Hole', why does he look behind himself? Think about it, the Normandy is not a car; there is rear windshield, so him looking behind himself would just make him look at the galaxy map at the rear of the ship.


Well I feel like an idiot now...could of sworn there was a big a** rear window Joker was looking out of. Well back to reality and I realize there isn't one cause "Windows are a structural weakness." (Legion) <_<

On the serious note, I honestly didn't notice that and I guess that was the point. BioWare kept you in the moment and the scene is so short you don't notice what's wrong with it. Good find!!:D

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TJBartlemus wrote...

Edit: Not like dirt holes, literatly in the restrooms they are just metal holes with stall dividers.

That's gonna give me nightmares... thanks.  :blink:

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dmay7 wrote...

One thing I noticed. When Joker is running away from 'The Plot Hole', why does he look behind himself? Think about it, the Normandy is not a car; there is rear windshield, so him looking behind himself would just make him look at the galaxy map at the rear of the ship.


That one COULD be explained as Joker checking to see how close the flames were, but yeah, I agree, it's weird.

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Riot86 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

*snip*


Is it just me, or does that painting look like an abstract image of a Reaper?


Yeah that's what I thought too about the painting but didn't really figure it could add to IT. Regarding to the bed looking like Shepards and the fact there is a burnt body there I feel is symbolism or some type of message cause:

1-Why would the reapers burn a body? It is waste of organic material. They use both alive and dead bodies and the Reapers leave that one there, why? It obviously wasn't burnt by an explosion because everything else is fine.

2- If the fact the room is a representation of Shepards cabin and the fact there is a burnt body on a bed means that the body is meant to be Shepard.

I might be reading too much into this, so please tell me if I am. :blush:


Ok yeah, like from the last dream where s/he burned, on fire. Ok, really creepy.

EDIT: Ok seems like something I should remember, but do we see other burnt bodies, anything like this elsewhere in the game or in London?


I don't recall if there are more burned bodies.


However, you're right about the last dream Shepard has is of him/her burning.  And considering its in a very similar room to Shep's cabin (though the corpse is on the wrong side of the bed, based on various LI scenes).  And the sort-of Reaper abstract art (its vague to make out, but the bit on the right side especially looks like the outline of a Destroyer)...

Very interesting.  Maybe just an easter egg, but still...

There is actually another burned body in the game I can think of...it is found in the same room on a stretcher :D

The message found in the apartment strongly suggest, that these two bodies are in fact the parents of the boy who wrote the message.

So maybe the second body is a representation of your LI. It would actually be nice to see, if this second body would also be there, if your Shep didn't romance anybody throughout the series.
(Same goes with the hamster cage - I'd like to know if a "No-Hamster-Shep" also stumbles across this cage in London ^_^)


Still doesn't explain the bodies being burnt. (look above for my questioning and support)

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Makrys wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Had a real rough night. Been called trash to my face for no reason, been treated like a total idiot, and you know what, I'm done. Had fun while it lasted. Not sure why I am here anymore. I actually don't care if IT is true anymore. I just don't fit in it seems. If I come back, I'm not posting anymore. Better to save my a** then lose it.


Dude, are you just going to let people stomp on you in RL as well? If people give you crap for no reason, smile and walk away. But don't let it affect you. Some people are just a**holes, and as dreamgazer said, just want to watch things burn. My father has always told me a saying, when I was hurt by someone, "Hurting people hurt people."

If you don't quite get it, it just means that people who are in pain will dish out pain to others. No one likes to feel pain. It makes us moody, upset, and possibly angry. It can turn us into something we're not. So don't take flaming, and hate speech seriously. ESPECIALLY on the internet. ESPECIALLY in a forum. Thats just natural. You should know that heading in. You should know that if you post your opinions, some people will disagree, and some will act hostile to you just because they're dicks. However, the vast majority are good fun loving citizens who wish you no harm. So, don't let the few pricks who want nothing more than rage at someone, ruin your day. They deserve just as much attention and respect as they give you. So, in the end, ignore them.

Only you can determine how you live and look at life. I can only imagine that if you let people bully you on the internet, you might also let them bully you in RL. Grow up, act like a man, stand up for yourself, and don't take s*** from people who have nothing better to do than throw it at your face. These losers just thrive off of it. They probably lead suck ass lives themselves, so their method of feeling better is tearing down everyone they can to their level. Your job is to laugh off their pathetic attempts and move on. Most are trolls, or flamers, nothing else. People who DESPERATELY need to get off the internet and live their life. 

Point, you decide who you are. No one else. You are the captain of your own ship, so you decide who gets to steer it. You, or the imbeciles who have no life and wish to make yours a little worse? Your decision.

Drive it, man. Drive it into the f****** sunset and run over whoever tries to tear you down. No one controls how you act and react but you. Live and let live. Smile, and live life large. Too little time we have to let others ruin it for us. Just be yourself, and live your life. That's all anyone can ever do.

Daddy pep talk over. :P

PS. Probably WAY overdid it, but its late anyway, and I don't really give a s***.


If I may quote Garrus, "There's no pep talk like a military pep talk."

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Okay, I may have had a bit of a meltdown. Thanks for the support. I kinda suffer from an inferiority complex so that doesn't help. I hope I didn't make too much of a spectacle, but apparently I am trash. Sebisot or however you spell that a**hole's name needs to get taken off permanently. Has anyone actually been kicked off for good since Bioware put that rule in effect?

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TJBartlemus wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

*snip*


Is it just me, or does that painting look like an abstract image of a Reaper?


Yeah that's what I thought too about the painting but didn't really figure it could add to IT. Regarding to the bed looking like Shepards and the fact there is a burnt body there I feel is symbolism or some type of message cause:

1-Why would the reapers burn a body? It is waste of organic material. They use both alive and dead bodies and the Reapers leave that one there, why? It obviously wasn't burnt by an explosion because everything else is fine.

2- If the fact the room is a representation of Shepards cabin and the fact there is a burnt body on a bed means that the body is meant to be Shepard.

I might be reading too much into this, so please tell me if I am. :blush:


Ok yeah, like from the last dream where s/he burned, on fire. Ok, really creepy.

EDIT: Ok seems like something I should remember, but do we see other burnt bodies, anything like this elsewhere in the game or in London?


I don't recall if there are more burned bodies.


However, you're right about the last dream Shepard has is of him/her burning.  And considering its in a very similar room to Shep's cabin (though the corpse is on the wrong side of the bed, based on various LI scenes).  And the sort-of Reaper abstract art (its vague to make out, but the bit on the right side especially looks like the outline of a Destroyer)...

Very interesting.  Maybe just an easter egg, but still...

There is actually another burned body in the game I can think of...it is found in the same room on a stretcher :D

The message found in the apartment strongly suggest, that these two bodies are in fact the parents of the boy who wrote the message.

So maybe the second body is a representation of your LI. It would actually be nice to see, if this second body would also be there, if your Shep didn't romance anybody throughout the series.
(Same goes with the hamster cage - I'd like to know if a "No-Hamster-Shep" also stumbles across this cage in London ^_^)


Still doesn't explain the bodies being burnt. (look above for my questioning and support)


Well no offense, but if a big ass giant red laser blasted you I'm pretty sure you would be burned.

(No disrect intended, unless there was proof that the Reaper lasers vaporize instead of severley burning to crisp, which I am not aware of at this moment).

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And on topic... I'm not sure the skeleton on the bed has much significance to IT, though it is odd that it was burned.

There's a lot that doesn't make sense in the final mission, not just the final scene. So, I'm really hoping the EC gives us a new Priority: Earth.

Modifié par Makrys, 10 juin 2012 - 04:26 .


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Not sure if anyone else has had a chance to check in with this thread: http://social.biowar.../index/12500980

I tried...and again found myself flabbergasted.  The OP clearly states the intention of the thread...and the Anti-IT'ers can't help but to answer the question w/o first arguing points that they have been asked (for the purpose of that thread) to ignore...it is times like this, where I question their ability not to read, but to comprehend. The OP is clearly trying to get them to see things as "all else being equal", what is your reaction...fairly, some are doing just that.  But the majority (by there posts assuming that they are Anti-IT'ers) just want to say "but all else isn't equal...For crying in the mud people, can you put down the egos for just one second and follow instructions.  It reminds me of a test I took in high school...

It was for Physics...we were given the test and told explicity to read and follow all the instructions on the test.  The very first instruction was please read the entire test before doing anything...so I did.  So I read...I got to the last page and the very last statement simply said, "Please place your name at the top of the exam and turn in for credit".  Or in other words the true test was to see if you followed the instructions.  I remember putting my name on the test and turning it in.  The looks of panic that I got from the other students was priceless.  Slowly, my classmates got to the last page...comprehension dawned...and the room filled with eyes of daggers.  I don't remember ever feeling more hated...but, what did I care, it wasn't my fault that they couldn't follow simple instructions.

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Riot86 wrote...

As for why the possible low-EMS choice is depending on your decision concerning the Collector Base in ME 2:

Like I said before, with low EMS it doesn't matter what you do, you just can't win against the process of Indoctrination. So the Reaper don't need to drag you over to their side with "tricks" like suggesting SYNHTESIS. So, they just present you with the choice that Shepard would most likley pick.

A Shepard who destroyed the collector Base would arguably also choose to end the Reaper thread. So he gets DESTROY.

A Shepard who decided, that destroying all the technology from the Collector Base would be a mistake, would most likely agree with TIM, that destroying the Reapers would be also a mistake if there would be a way to control them instead. So he gets CONTROL.


Low EMS, low hope/morale, no way of breaking indoctrination.

And it paves the way for a "Reapers win" ending that would mirror the "Shepard died" ending in ME2.

Interesting.

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TJBartlemus wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

*snip*


Is it just me, or does that painting look like an abstract image of a Reaper?


Yeah that's what I thought too about the painting but didn't really figure it could add to IT. Regarding to the bed looking like Shepards and the fact there is a burnt body there I feel is symbolism or some type of message cause:

1-Why would the reapers burn a body? It is waste of organic material. They use both alive and dead bodies and the Reapers leave that one there, why? It obviously wasn't burnt by an explosion because everything else is fine.

2- If the fact the room is a representation of Shepards cabin and the fact there is a burnt body on a bed means that the body is meant to be Shepard.

I might be reading too much into this, so please tell me if I am. :blush:


Ok yeah, like from the last dream where s/he burned, on fire. Ok, really creepy.

EDIT: Ok seems like something I should remember, but do we see other burnt bodies, anything like this elsewhere in the game or in London?


I don't recall if there are more burned bodies.


However, you're right about the last dream Shepard has is of him/her burning.  And considering its in a very similar room to Shep's cabin (though the corpse is on the wrong side of the bed, based on various LI scenes).  And the sort-of Reaper abstract art (its vague to make out, but the bit on the right side especially looks like the outline of a Destroyer)...

Very interesting.  Maybe just an easter egg, but still...

There is actually another burned body in the game I can think of...it is found in the same room on a stretcher :D

The message found in the apartment strongly suggest, that these two bodies are in fact the parents of the boy who wrote the message.

So maybe the second body is a representation of your LI. It would actually be nice to see, if this second body would also be there, if your Shep didn't romance anybody throughout the series.
(Same goes with the hamster cage - I'd like to know if a "No-Hamster-Shep" also stumbles across this cage in London ^_^)


Still doesn't explain the bodies being burnt. (look above for my questioning and support)


Wait on a stretcher? Like the VS? :huh:

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Makrys wrote...

And on topic... I'm not sure the skeleton on the bed has much significance to IT, though it is odd that it was burned.

There's a lot that doesn't make sense in the final mission, not just the final scene. So, I'm really hoping the EC gives us a new Priority: Earth.


I agree that it can't really be counted as proof yet.  But its certainly something very odd and out of place.  If IT wasn't even in consideration that room would probably be considered an Easter Egg.

Needs more investigation though.  It could lead to something more concrete.  Otherwise, chalk it up to 'another thing that makes no sense'.