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[D.Sharrah]

Well...Ladies and Gents I thnk that I am going to head to bed. Try not to add too many pages for me to catch up with in the morning...

[UrgentArchengel]

Here's a really messed up mindf***, and it's really dumb. I don't condone it in anyway, but here it goes. Maybe Shepard wakes up back in Mass Effect 1, after having crashed the Mako on the Citadel. After seeing the Conduit comparisons, I was thinking this would be a middle finger to the fans. So if you pick Destroy, time will reverse itself, and you go back. I call it the Replay Theory. Seriously though, Priority Earth must be partially a delusion.

Modifié par UrgentArchengel, 10 juin 2012 - 04:40 .

[Riot86]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Wait on a stretcher? Like the VS?

Yes...and that is a very interesting thought
I just had an idea and was trying to explain the stretcher with Dr. Chakwas...but your idea is far better



Here also the other body on the bed from a better angle....



Actually, I don't think they are burned on a closer look...maybe eaten by Cannibals?

[Andromidius]

D.Sharrah wrote...

It was for Physics...we were given the test and told explicity to read and follow all the instructions on the test.  The very first instruction was please read the entire test before doing anything...so I did.  So I read...I got to the last page and the very last statement simply said, "Please place your name at the top of the exam and turn in for credit".  Or in other words the true test was to see if you followed the instructions.  I remember putting my name on the test and turning it in.  The looks of panic that I got from the other students was priceless.  Slowly, my classmates got to the last page...comprehension dawned...and the room filled with eyes of daggers.  I don't remember ever feeling more hated...but, what did I care, it wasn't my fault that they couldn't follow simple instructions.

I had a similar test in Junior School (aged about 10?) that was similar.

First instruction was 'read the whole form first'.

Second instruction was 'and now begin'.

Then it was a bunch of questions.

Final instruction was 'ignore all previous questions'.

My friend really couldn't understand why I never wrote a single thing down.  Until he got to the bottom.  The whole 'and now begin' part apperently confused a lot of the other students.

[Big Bad]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Okay, I may have had a bit of a meltdown. Thanks for the support. I kinda suffer from an inferiority complex so that doesn't help. I hope I didn't make too much of a spectacle, but apparently I am trash. Sebisot or however you spell that a**hole's name needs to get taken off permanently. Has anyone actually been kicked off for good since Bioware put that rule in effect?

You certainly aren't trash, and you didn't make a spectacle.  I think a lot of us just felt bad that you were treated so poorly and wanted to off some encouragement.

[Andromidius]

Riot86 wrote...
Actually, I don't think they are burned on a closer look...maybe eaten by Cannibals?

Bones are too neatly laid out.  Maybe just decomposed?  But it would take quite a few years for that to happen...

[TJBartlemus]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Okay, I may have had a bit of a meltdown. Thanks for the support. I kinda suffer from an inferiority complex so that doesn't help. I hope I didn't make too much of a spectacle, but apparently I am trash. Sebisot or however you spell that a**hole's name needs to get taken off permanently. Has anyone actually been kicked off for good since Bioware put that rule in effect?

Don't feel bad you were just stuck in the chain of screaming. (How I met Your Mother)

Barney: "The chain of screaming starts at the top. Arthurs boss's boss screams at Arthers boss. Arthurs boss screams at Arthur. Arthur screams to you. You go home to scream at Lily. Lily screams to one of her kids in kindergarden class. Then that kid screams at her dad, Arthurs boss's boss. Then the whole thing starts over again. Thus completing the circle of screaming."

Ted: "I thought it was a chain of screaming."

So don't worry. And I'm sure if it is a direct attack that the person will be gone and we will not hear from them again. Don't let them get you down. You are entitled to your opinion.

[Starbuck8]

Riot86 wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Wait on a stretcher? Like the VS?

Yes...and that is a very interesting thought
I just had an idea and was trying to explain the stretcher with Dr. Chakwas...but your idea is far better



Here also the other body on the bed from a better angle....



Actually, I don't think they are burned on a closer look...maybe eaten by Cannibals?

Lol these pics are super creepy. Anyway, yeah maybe or maybe not burned. Silly question, do cannibals eat people other than themselves?

EDIT: Hmm, why would someone be on a stretcher in their own home... while someone else is laying in bed...? This is TOO weird!!

Modifié par Starbuck8, 10 juin 2012 - 04:49 .

[Starbuck8]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Here's a really messed up mindf***, and it's really dumb. I don't condone it in anyway, but here it goes. Maybe Shepard wakes up back in Mass Effect 1, after having crashed the Mako on the Citadel. After seeing the Conduit comparisons, I was thinking this would be a middle finger to the fans. So if you pick Destroy, time will reverse itself, and you go back. I call it the Replay Theory. Seriously though, Priority Earth must be partially a delusion.

I'd have to agree if IT is the case, then some delusions or hallucinations are at least creeping in while in London, while its possible all or parts of London are part of the indoctrination hallucination. Who knows?

[TJBartlemus]

dmay7 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

*snip*

Is it just me, or does that painting look like an abstract image of a Reaper?

Yeah that's what I thought too about the painting but didn't really figure it could add to IT. Regarding to the bed looking like Shepards and the fact there is a burnt body there I feel is symbolism or some type of message cause:

1-Why would the reapers burn a body? It is waste of organic material. They use both alive and dead bodies and the Reapers leave that one there, why? It obviously wasn't burnt by an explosion because everything else is fine.

2- If the fact the room is a representation of Shepards cabin and the fact there is a burnt body on a bed means that the body is meant to be Shepard.

I might be reading too much into this, so please tell me if I am.

Ok yeah, like from the last dream where s/he burned, on fire. Ok, really creepy.

EDIT: Ok seems like something I should remember, but do we see other burnt bodies, anything like this elsewhere in the game or in London?

I don't recall if there are more burned bodies.


However, you're right about the last dream Shepard has is of him/her burning.  And considering its in a very similar room to Shep's cabin (though the corpse is on the wrong side of the bed, based on various LI scenes).  And the sort-of Reaper abstract art (its vague to make out, but the bit on the right side especially looks like the outline of a Destroyer)...

Very interesting.  Maybe just an easter egg, but still...

There is actually another burned body in the game I can think of...it is found in the same room on a stretcher

The message found in the apartment strongly suggest, that these two bodies are in fact the parents of the boy who wrote the message.

So maybe the second body is a representation of your LI. It would actually be nice to see, if this second body would also be there, if your Shep didn't romance anybody throughout the series.
(Same goes with the hamster cage - I'd like to know if a "No-Hamster-Shep" also stumbles across this cage in London )

Still doesn't explain the bodies being burnt. (look above for my questioning and support)

Well no offense, but if a big ass giant red laser blasted you I'm pretty sure you would be burned.

(No disrect intended, unless there was proof that the Reaper lasers vaporize instead of severley burning to crisp, which I am not aware of at this moment).

No disrespect taken, all I ask is that you get your research done and notice that the only thing in the room that is burnt is the body. Notice the nice pure white color of the bed.

[Andromidius]

Starbuck8 wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Here's a really messed up mindf***, and it's really dumb. I don't condone it in anyway, but here it goes. Maybe Shepard wakes up back in Mass Effect 1, after having crashed the Mako on the Citadel. After seeing the Conduit comparisons, I was thinking this would be a middle finger to the fans. So if you pick Destroy, time will reverse itself, and you go back. I call it the Replay Theory. Seriously though, Priority Earth must be partially a delusion.

I'd have to agree if IT is the case, then some delusions or hallucinations are at least creeping in while in London, while its possible all or parts of London are part of the indoctrination hallucination. Who knows?

I can get behind that too.  Partiail hallucination leading into complete dream/nightmare sequence?

Honestly I don't get all the hate towards a changed ending, especially the 'Bioware lied to us!' routine.  Does that mean everyone should complain every time a sequel comes out, even if there was no plothook leading into one?

Indoctrination Theory merely gives that hook to give more content and story.  Which surely can't be a bad thing?

[balance5050]

Can someone give me a briefing on the Earth apartment pictures? I just got back and I don't see the thing that ties it all together.

Modifié par balance5050, 10 juin 2012 - 04:51 .

[TJBartlemus]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Wait on a stretcher? Like the VS?

Yes...and that is a very interesting thought
I just had an idea and was trying to explain the stretcher with Dr. Chakwas...but your idea is far better



Here also the other body on the bed from a better angle....



Actually, I don't think they are burned on a closer look...maybe eaten by Cannibals?

Lol these pics are super creepy. Anyway, yeah maybe or maybe not burned. Silly question, do cannibals eat people other than themselves?

EDIT: Hmm, why would someone be on a stretcher in their own home... while someone else is laying in bed...? This is TOO weird!!

Okay eating a body wouldn't make the skeleton grayish black. Only burning does. If it was eaten then there would be blood/gore and the skeleton would be more white.

Edit: Also notice how the black marks move away from the body meaning the body was the source of what I assume was fire. (further symbolising the fact Shepard burnt in the last dream.)

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 10 juin 2012 - 04:52 .

[byne]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Here's a really messed up mindf***, and it's really dumb. I don't condone it in anyway, but here it goes. Maybe Shepard wakes up back in Mass Effect 1, after having crashed the Mako on the Citadel. After seeing the Conduit comparisons, I was thinking this would be a middle finger to the fans. So if you pick Destroy, time will reverse itself, and you go back. I call it the Replay Theory. Seriously though, Priority Earth must be partially a delusion.

An even bigger mind **** (which I totally dont support at all), would be beating the game, waking up in a the Normandy's medbay, and finding out the entirety of the three games was Shepard's interpretation of the prothean-reaper war imparted by the beacon on Eden Prime

[Dwailing]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Okay, I may have had a bit of a meltdown. Thanks for the support. I kinda suffer from an inferiority complex so that doesn't help. I hope I didn't make too much of a spectacle, but apparently I am trash. Sebisot or however you spell that a**hole's name needs to get taken off permanently. Has anyone actually been kicked off for good since Bioware put that rule in effect?

Does anyone know if waldstr18 actually got banned? Or did he just decise to quit trolling us?

[Starbuck8]

balance5050 wrote...

Can someone give me a briefing on the Earth apartment pictures? I just got back and I don't see the thing that ties it all together.

This is a pretty fresh topic. Starts here: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12047832/639#12501602

edit: corrected the link to point to the actualy start of Riot's pics

Modifié par Starbuck8, 10 juin 2012 - 05:06 .

[Starbuck8]

Dwailing wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Okay, I may have had a bit of a meltdown. Thanks for the support. I kinda suffer from an inferiority complex so that doesn't help. I hope I didn't make too much of a spectacle, but apparently I am trash. Sebisot or however you spell that a**hole's name needs to get taken off permanently. Has anyone actually been kicked off for good since Bioware put that rule in effect?

Does anyone know if waldstr18 actually got banned? Or did he just decise to quit trolling us?

Lol after having read through most of this thread recently to catch up, I'm actually pretty sure I saw that guy come in and brag that he was temporary banned. But haven't seen him since.

[byne]

Dwailing wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Okay, I may have had a bit of a meltdown. Thanks for the support. I kinda suffer from an inferiority complex so that doesn't help. I hope I didn't make too much of a spectacle, but apparently I am trash. Sebisot or however you spell that a**hole's name needs to get taken off permanently. Has anyone actually been kicked off for good since Bioware put that rule in effect?

Does anyone know if waldstr18 actually got banned? Or did he just decise to quit trolling us?

Did walstr do anything banworthy? As far as I saw he was just generally annoying, which isnt banworthy last I checked.

[HellishFiend]

Hey everyone. Semi-important post here so please read. I still have some catching up to do on today's posts, but I wanted to chime in on something I looked into today.

I'm fairly sure that "double grunt" you hear when Shepard shoots Anderson in the final confrontation is Anderson and TIM.

On the initial analysis many assumed it was Shepard and Anderson grunting, but that was quickly debunked when we noticed that the same 2 grunts were heard on femshep playthroughs as well. As far as I know, the matter was pretty much dropped as inconclusive.

I decided to spend a few minutes listening to those few seconds over and over, and it really sounds to me like Anderson and TIM. There are two distinct grunts, and the louder one that sounds like an "OH", which most assumed to be Anderson, actually sounds like Martin Sheen, especially if you focus on just the sound and arent watching the video along with it. The quieter one that sounds like an "AH" doesnt unmistakably sound like Keith David, but what other possibility is there?

How is this significant? Well, TIM remains defiant and aside from the initial grunt, Anderson seems to be completely unaffected by the wound. He doesnt even grasp his side anymore.

However, as soon as you have your next dialog option, TIM quickly becomes unsettled and starts losing it. Anderson remains fine. If you skip those few seconds where he is shot, you would think nothing ever happened to Anderson at all.

I think that by shooting Anderson, Shepard is doing equal damage to both of them. But since Shepard continues to take Anderson's side in the argument, TIM is instead the one who starts showing weakness.

On top of that, regardless of what happens, both Anderson and TIM collapse at nearly the same exact moment, either when Shepard kills TIM, or TIM takes his own life. In addition, both of them are invariably dead by the end of the scene.

Anderson and TIM cannot survive without each other. Neither of them can operate the control panel. And both of them are clearly blocking Shepard's path to the control panel. TIM by holding Shepard in position, and Anderson by literally standing in Shepard's path to the panel. And since failing to "side" with Anderson by saving him from being shot by TIM severely hinders your ability to get the breath scene (more than anything else in the game), I think it is safe to conclude that, when combined with all the other evidence, this scene is entirely 100% symbolic rather than literal.

Modifié par HellishFiend, 10 juin 2012 - 04:58 .

[Riot86]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Lol these pics are super creepy. Anyway, yeah maybe or maybe not burned. Silly question, do cannibals eat people other than themselves?

EDIT: Hmm, why would someone be on a stretcher in their own home... while someone else is laying in bed...? This is TOO weird!!

Just looked it up, if we can believe the Codex they don't 

"Cannibals are front-line Reaper units created from corrupted batarians.
The nickname refers to their propensity to devour the bodies of fallen
comrades. This triggers a biochemical process through which the
cannibals simultaneously heal themselves and grow new chitinous armor.
The transformation also appears to give cannibals a greater awareness of
their surroundings, leading to more strategic behavior and careful use
of battlefield cover."

So, it seems there are only two options left: they are either burned or decomposed - which both is weird

And yeah, good question....WHY the hell is there a stretcher in an apartment?

These bodies could actually be symbolic.

Modifié par Riot86, 10 juin 2012 - 05:04 .

[TJBartlemus]

@HellishFiend All I can say is that you have a lot of catching up....but most of what we are talking about is either on the last or the one before last page.

[HellishFiend]

TJBartlemus wrote...

@HellishFiend All I can say is that you have a lot of catching up....but most of what we are talking about is either on the last or the one before last page.

I'm planning on it. Not sure how long it will take but I will let you guys know what I think when I finish. 

[Riot86]

Starbuck8 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Can someone give me a briefing on the Earth apartment pictures? I just got back and I don't see the thing that ties it all together.

This is a pretty fresh topic. Starts here I believe, just 2 pages back: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12047832/641#12502697

Actually it starts here: http://social.biowar...32/639#12501602
...the husk and the airduct are in set apartment, too after all 

Modifié par Riot86, 10 juin 2012 - 05:03 .

[Rosewind]

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Okay, I may have had a bit of a meltdown. Thanks for the support. I kinda suffer from an inferiority complex so that doesn't help. I hope I didn't make too much of a spectacle, but apparently I am trash. Sebisot or however you spell that a**hole's name needs to get taken off permanently. Has anyone actually been kicked off for good since Bioware put that rule in effect?

Does anyone know if waldstr18 actually got banned? Or did he just decise to quit trolling us?

Did walstr do anything banworthy? As far as I saw he was just generally annoying, which isnt banworthy last I checked.

It should be, like it should be baned for being stupid as well.

[Starbuck8]

HellishFiend wrote...

Hey everyone. Semi-important post here so please read. I still have some catching up to do on today's posts, but I wanted to chime in on something I looked into today.

I'm fairly sure that "double grunt" you hear when Shepard shoots Anderson in the final confrontation is Anderson and TIM.

On the initial analysis many assumed it was Shepard and Anderson grunting, but that was quickly debunked when we noticed that the same 2 grunts were heard on femshep playthroughs as well. As far as I know, the matter was pretty much dropped as inconclusive.

I decided to spend a few minutes listening to those few seconds over and over, and it really sounds to me like Anderson and TIM. There are two distinct grunts, and the louder one that sounds like an "OH", which most assumed to be Anderson, actually sounds like Martin Sheen, especially if you focus on just the sound and arent watching the video along with it. The quieter one that sounds like an "AH" doesnt unmistakably sound like Keith David, but what other possibility is there?

How is this significant? Well, TIM remains defiant and aside from the initial grunt, Anderson seems to be completely unaffected by the wound. He doesnt even grasp his side anymore.

However, as soon as you have your next dialog option, TIM quickly becomes unsettled and starts losing it. Anderson remains fine. If you skip those few seconds where he is shot, you would think nothing ever happened to Anderson at all.

I think that by shooting Anderson, Shepard is doing equal damage to both of them. But since Shepard continues to take Anderson's side in the argument, TIM is instead the one who starts showing weakness.

On top of that, regardless of what happens, both Anderson and TIM collapse at nearly the same exact moment, either when Shepard kills TIM, or TIM takes his own life. In addition, both of them are invariably dead by the end of the scene.

Anderson and TIM cannot survive without each other. Neither of them can operate the control panel. And both of them are clearly blocking Shepard's path to the control panel. TIM by holding Shepard in position, and Anderson by literally standing in Shepard's path to the panel. And since failing to "side" with Anderson by saving him from being shot by TIM severely hinders your ability to get the breath scene (more than anything else in the game), I think it is safe to conclude that, when combined with all the other evidence, this scene is entirely 100% symbolic rather than literal.

The symbollic implications are compelling!

Ok another silly question: do TIM and Anderson disappear once Shep gets to the control panel or while s/he is being lifted by the heavenly elevator? or are they still laying there, dead?