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[dreamgazer]

Arian Dynas wrote...

So... anyone willing to give me the readers digest version of what I've been missing?

Visual parallels that make you question the entirety of Priority: Earth, and a lot of verbal warfare outside the walls of the thread.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Arian Dynas wrote...

So... anyone willing to give me the readers digest version of what I've been missing?

Others have been posting more similiarites and oddities with the London mission, only a few pages old actually. Also Hellish brought up a gready symbolic interpretation of the TIM Anderson conflict. Aside from that I haven't been paying much attention.

[Arian Dynas]

Salient Archer wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

So... anyone willing to give me the readers digest version of what I've been missing?

+1 here too, just walked in. Seems Arian and I keep similar time tables.

Got home from the Pathfinder game I attend on Saturdays.

[Salient Archer]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

So... anyone willing to give me the readers digest version of what I've been missing?

+1 here too, just walked in. Seems Arian and I keep similar time tables.

Got home from the Pathfinder game I attend on Saturdays.

Sweet, Nowhere near as exciting for me. It just started to rain outside on this dreary Australian afternoon so I felt it was the best excuse to catch up on some ITD thread.

[Salient Archer]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

So... anyone willing to give me the readers digest version of what I've been missing?

Others have been posting more similiarites and oddities with the London mission, only a few pages old actually. Also Hellish brought up a gready symbolic interpretation of the TIM Anderson conflict. Aside from that I haven't been paying much attention.

It is an interesting look at the London mission; I just can't seel myself on the shuttle crash being the integral point. There's just something about the theory that doesn't click in my head and although I can't put my finger on why it doesn't I just don't buy it yet ... as illogical a statement that is for me to make.

[Arian Dynas]

Salient Archer wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

So... anyone willing to give me the readers digest version of what I've been missing?

+1 here too, just walked in. Seems Arian and I keep similar time tables.

Got home from the Pathfinder game I attend on Saturdays.

Sweet, Nowhere near as exciting for me. It just started to rain outside on this dreary Australian afternoon so I felt it was the best excuse to catch up on some ITD thread.

Ah rain...

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Salient Archer wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

So... anyone willing to give me the readers digest version of what I've been missing?

Others have been posting more similiarites and oddities with the London mission, only a few pages old actually. Also Hellish brought up a gready symbolic interpretation of the TIM Anderson conflict. Aside from that I haven't been paying much attention.

It is an interesting look at the London mission; I just can't seel myself on the shuttle crash being the integral point. There's just something about the theory that doesn't click in my head and although I can't put my finger on why it doesn't I just don't buy it yet ... as illogical a statement that is for me to make.

Trying to think of it this way: [WARNING, Incoming Speculation, Brace]
The Beam structure has turned all of London into an Indoctrination Zone, or maybe it's the epicenter for an Indoctrination signal being sent throughout Earth. Being within London and range of the Beam would be comparable to being within the Derelct Reaper for the Cerberus scientists. This would result in odd behavior, memory loss and/or sharing memories, and visual/auditory illusions. The closer to the Beam you get, the higher the chance of Indoctrination could be.

This is mostly a random idea but is somewhat supported by a datapad you see in the FOB in London:



Of course this can be explained just by having a Reaper captiol ship nearby or potentially numerous ones in orbit....

[Salient Archer]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

So... anyone willing to give me the readers digest version of what I've been missing?

Others have been posting more similiarites and oddities with the London mission, only a few pages old actually. Also Hellish brought up a gready symbolic interpretation of the TIM Anderson conflict. Aside from that I haven't been paying much attention.

It is an interesting look at the London mission; I just can't seel myself on the shuttle crash being the integral point. There's just something about the theory that doesn't click in my head and although I can't put my finger on why it doesn't I just don't buy it yet ... as illogical a statement that is for me to make.

Trying to think of it this way: [WARNING, Incoming Speculation, Brace]
The Beam structure has turned all of London into an Indoctrination Zone, or maybe it's the epicenter for an Indoctrination signal being sent throughout Earth. Being within London and range of the Beam would be comparable to being within the Derelct Reaper for the Cerberus scientists. This would result in odd behavior, memory loss and/or sharing memories, and visual/auditory illusions. The closer to the Beam you get, the higher the chance of Indoctrination could be.

This is mostly a random idea but is somewhat supported by a datapad you see in the FOB in London:



Of course this can be explained just by having a Reaper captiol ship nearby or potentially numerous ones in orbit....

Hmm, I actually like the idea of the beam being a highly amplified indoctrination device, much like the Arch Monolith in ME:Evolution, just on a larger scale. Plus the reapers do prefer taking the path of least resistance, hence it would easier to conquer your enemy by turning them into your own subservient army than it is to fight them. Also, it makes sense of not only that data-pad entry but also why things from Shepard's memory and past start presenting themselves as (s)he gets closer to it. Besides, it would give motivation to why the Reapers would want the citadel brought to earth, considering us humans are their favorite procreation ooze. [yes I did try to make that sound very creepy]

EDIT: I guess in that sense the hallucinations could have started much earlier but the indoctrination attempt ramps up once harbinger knocks Shep out with his death-ray of doom, which leads to full blown psychological warfare for Shep.

Modifié par Salient Archer, 10 juin 2012 - 06:35 .

[Bill Casey]

James: It’s… not right. It looks pretty. Calm and peaceful. But it’s not right. It’s all just an illusion.
____________________________________________

James: They’d rather believe in this than face the truth.

Shepard: I can hardly believe it myself. Like everything on Earth was some kind of nightmare.

James: Yeah. That’s what I hate most. It’s like this place wants you to forget that.

___________________________________________

Ashley: We have reports coming all the time on what’s going on. Half are wild speculation, and half are probably too optimistic to be true.

___________________________________________

Ashley: When I thought you were dead, I lost hope. I’m telling you. But when you came back, I was ready to believe in anything. I mean, maybe this problem can’t be solved by some grunts shooting the bogeyman in the face, but if you think it might help, I’m game.

Modifié par Bill Casey, 10 juin 2012 - 07:03 .

[Starbuck8]

Bill Casey wrote...

James: It’s… not right. It looks pretty. Calm and peaceful. But it’s not right. It’s all just an illusion.
____________________________________________

James: They’d rather believe in this than face the truth.

Shepard: I can hardly believe it myself. Like everything on Earth was some kind of nightmare.

James: Yeah. That’s what I hate most. It’s like this place wants you to forget that.

___________________________________________

Ashley: We have reports coming all the time on what’s going on. Half are wild speculation, and half are probably too optimistic to be true.

___________________________________________

Ashley: When I thought you were dead, I lost hope. I’m telling you. But when you came back, I was ready to believe in anything. I mean, maybe this problem can’t be solved by some grunts shooting the bogeyman in the face, but if you think it might help, I’m game.

Heh... prophetic!

[Arian Dynas]

>.> nothing in nearly 20 minutes? This is shameful people. I DEMAND ACTION!

[prettz]

Arian Dynas wrote...

>.> nothing in nearly 20 minutes? This is shameful people. I DEMAND ACTION!

OK hears part of a vid I'm working on it's on a unlisted link but anyone care to see if the info accurate, makes sense to you and (grammer:crying:) it still in a bit of raw form and no sound track yet
www.youtube.com/watch

[Legion109]

Arian Dynas wrote...

>.> nothing in nearly 20 minutes? This is shameful people. I DEMAND ACTION!

You rang

Aaaawwwwwwssss yeah the man without plans is back with a pack that looks like a rat with a cat in the hat that's late to the race cause he walked a slow pace... Viva La 109 

:O:O

- We dont hold lines in Las Vegas we do lines -
Indoception - the belief it was an Indoctrination in a Hallucination caused by the Indoctrination in the Dreams.

[Arian Dynas]

prettz wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

>.> nothing in nearly 20 minutes? This is shameful people. I DEMAND ACTION!

OK hears part of a vid I'm working on it's on a unlisted link but anyone care to see if the info accurate, makes sense to you and (grammer:crying:) it still in a bit of raw form and no sound track yet
www.youtube.com/watch

Grammar.

Not sure what you mean by your first sentence. But this is just the trick behind the magic? Not sure what you're trying to say.

"What does the gun morph mean if we're not looking at it as a glitch?"

Do you mean "Shepard was never holding a carnifex, but a predator the whole time?" as a question, like "Was Shepard holding a carnifex the whole time, or a predator?" or as a statement, like "Shepard was holding a predator the whole time, not a carnifex."

Shepard finally breaking free from the illusion of Reaper Indoctrination? What do you mean by that?

"Now, one final observation about the gun."

There, hope that helps.

[Arian Dynas]

Legion109 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

>.> nothing in nearly 20 minutes? This is shameful people. I DEMAND ACTION!

You rang

Aaaawwwwwwssss yeah the man without plans is back with a pack that looks like a rat with a cat in the hat that's late to the race cause he walked a slow pace... Viva La 109 

:O:O

- We dont hold lines in Las Vegas we do lines -
Indoception - the belief it was an Indoctrination in a Hallucination caused by the Indoctrination in the Dreams.

Don't make me get my rubber chicken.

[prettz]

Arian Dynas wrote...

prettz wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

>.> nothing in nearly 20 minutes? This is shameful people. I DEMAND ACTION!

OK hears part of a vid I'm working on it's on a unlisted link but anyone care to see if the info accurate, makes sense to you and (grammer:crying:) it still in a bit of raw form and no sound track yet
www.youtube.com/watch

Grammar.

Not sure what you mean by your first sentence. But this is just the trick behind the magic? Not sure what you're trying to say.

"What does the gun morph mean if we're not looking at it as a glitch?"

Do you mean "Shepard was never holding a carnifex, but a predator the whole time?" as a question, like "Was Shepard holding a carnifex the whole time, or a predator?" or as a statement, like "Shepard was holding a predator the whole time, not a carnifex."

Shepard finally breaking free from the illusion of Reaper Indoctrination? What do you mean by that?

"Now, one final observation about the gun."

There, hope that helps.

"Trick behind the magic" is referring to the technical programing why the Predator is their . explained it in another clip before this one

for the carnifex I asking if maybe he pick up the Predator at the start thats why it has the predator animation but he sees it as a Carnifex but when Shepard chooses destroy the gun is seen for what it is in the last few seconds showing Shepard broke from the Illusion or whatever going on to Shepard.

so I'd say it's more of a question I try to keep the vids close to the middle (Try being key word) want the viewer to think about it instead of told...

thanks for the help.

(dang you Grammar! always the finial boss)

[Salient Archer]

Sorry Arian, I've been off exploring some concepts in relation to the Citadel beam being a mass indoctrination device, not unlike the Arch Monolith that Desolas and Saren found in Shanxi.

[prettz]

Salient Archer wrote...

Sorry Arian, I've been off exploring some concepts in relation to the Citadel beam being a mass indoctrination device, not unlike the Arch Monolith that Desolas and Saren found in Shanxi.

this was the only reason I could think why joker would book it. after being told by Edi that a mass indoctrination wave was heading his way or something...

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

prettz wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Sorry Arian, I've been off exploring some concepts in relation to the Citadel beam being a mass indoctrination device, not unlike the Arch Monolith that Desolas and Saren found in Shanxi.

this was the only reason I could think why joker would book it. after being told by Edi that a mass indoctrination wave was heading his way or something...

I dont think Indoctrination is something you can make into a wave. I mean even the fastest cases of Indoctrination (that is, cases hwere you are not simply reduced to a mindless husk by beeing impaled on spike of doom) take some time.

[RavenEyry]

As well as Earth I recall DJBare noticed some irregularities on the cerberus base. The question is did Shep ever wake up from the third dream, or are they awake but hallucinating until the shuttle crash/mako crash/ Harby lazor? I find it unlikely that the final two missions were all a dream, it seems far too long, but I like the idea that the strain on Shep's brain is causing perception to warp.

[DJBare]

Electra77 wrote...If you are a stone age civilization and found yourself fighting an industrial age civilization, you would not attempt to capture their guns and use those guns against your industrial age aggressors?

No, because they would lack the intelligence to use it safely, and that's even assuming they have enough intelligence to operate it at all, you give a stone age man your cell phone, the first thing he is likely to do is attempt to eat it.

[Salient Archer]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

prettz wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Sorry Arian, I've been off exploring some concepts in relation to the Citadel beam being a mass indoctrination device, not unlike the Arch Monolith that Desolas and Saren found in Shanxi.

this was the only reason I could think why joker would book it. after being told by Edi that a mass indoctrination wave was heading his way or something...

I dont think Indoctrination is something you can make into a wave. I mean even the fastest cases of Indoctrination (that is, cases hwere you are not simply reduced to a mindless husk by beeing impaled on spike of doom) take some time.

Just to be clear, I didn't actually mean the wave we see once the crucible blesses the cosmos with its plot-rays of space magic.

I was referring to the beam in london the citadel extrudes when it arrives at earth, the beam that Shepard Incorporated™ charge towards in london. My assumption being that the citadel, once shooting it’s beam acts as mass indoctrination device, which would explain why Shepard’s hallucinations suddenly ramp up once (s)he’s gaining proximity to it. Also keep in mind Vega’s thoughts (foreshadowing) about the culture on the Citadel being too apathetic about the war, which could possibly indicate that the citadel had already been causing some kind of low level indoctrination in it’s more dormant state. This concept could also explain the motivation behind the Reapers moving the citadel to earth in the first place.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Salient Archer wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

prettz wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Sorry Arian, I've been off exploring some concepts in relation to the Citadel beam being a mass indoctrination device, not unlike the Arch Monolith that Desolas and Saren found in Shanxi.

this was the only reason I could think why joker would book it. after being told by Edi that a mass indoctrination wave was heading his way or something...

I dont think Indoctrination is something you can make into a wave. I mean even the fastest cases of Indoctrination (that is, cases hwere you are not simply reduced to a mindless husk by beeing impaled on spike of doom) take some time.

Just to be clear, I didn't actually mean the wave we see once the crucible blesses the cosmos with its plot-rays of space magic.

I was referring to the beam in london the citadel extrudes when it arrives at earth, the beam that Shepard Incorporated™ charge towards in london. My assumption being that the citadel, once shooting it’s beam acts as mass indoctrination device, which would explain why Shepard’s hallucinations suddenly ramp up once (s)he’s gaining proximity to it. Also keep in mind Vega’s thoughts (foreshadowing) about the culture on the Citadel being too apathetic about the war, which could possibly indicate that the citadel had already been causing some kind of low level indoctrination in it’s more dormant state. This concept could also explain the motivation behind the Reapers moving the citadel to earth in the first place.

But it dosent explain why the Reapers would defend the Citadel in any way.

A far more devoius plan would be:

Let TIM tell you the Crucible is ready and capture the Citadel, but dont let Shepard know that you know (if the VI is really lying). Then leave a sizeable, but ultimately only token force at Earth which the moment the giant united fleet arrives pulls back as it is clear (to Shepard) that it is outmatched leaving the Citadel for the fleet to capture.

Fleet plugs in Crucible and Reapers laugh or whatever they do when their plans work. The End.

What not to do if you truly want your enemies to plug in that giant device they ahev been building is to place some 100-150 of your biggest ships (did a rough count based on the scenes of the battle above Earth) + and unknown number of Destroyers, a fleet so big it can and will defeat your enemies in stand up fight, between your enemies and your ultimate trap.

That is ultimately the main reason I think the Crucible simply dosent work and its purpose was to lure the fleet into battle, not be a weapon against it in itself because the Reapers seem a bit to determined on us not getting to the Citadel.

[DJBare]

EJ107 wrote...
I think that the long time has more to do with the heavy focus on multiplayer DLC to be honest, not the actual difficulty of making the scenes. 

I'm not trying to be harsh or cruel to any of the people who support the theory (It's a fun bit of speculation) but the Dev's have outright said multiple times that the current ending will not change. I know that they don't exactly have the best track record for honesty lately, but I do worry that some people are expecting too much from the DLC. I felt the blow of the ending pretty hard myself, and I worry that by expecting the extended cut to just go "All of what you saw was fake! Here's your REAL ending!" people are just setting themselves up for yet another disappointment. 

That's what I remember, does anyone have the original quote?, because I.T means the "current" ending does not need changing.

[RavenEyry]

EJ107 wrote...
I think that the long time has more to do with the heavy focus on multiplayer DLC to be honest, not the actual difficulty of making the scenes. 

How many times must I remind people SP and MP are made by different teams? 'Focussing' on MP content makes absolutely no difference whatsoever to the production times of SP DLC.