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[Razhael]

fits in ME3* (forgot that)

[Rifneno]

Not much to add, but wow, Riot is MVP for the month. Maybe ever.

The fleet coming through the relay at such speeds isn't unheardof. Both the geth and Arcturus fleets came through at similar speeds in ME1.

I'm still betting on Shepard never having woken up from the third dream. Need to find my Normandy symolism idea from a few days ago. Maybe later, going to check out an idea I had that, while so off the wall I don't even want to voice it but would be omg if true.

... Would've liked to study seashells. <hits elevator button>

[Turbo_J]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

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I really think indoctrination on Crono station seems quite unlikely and counter productive to the entire end of the game. Sure there might be a device on Cronos station but Shepard spends so little time on it, it really wouldn't matter.

I like the idea that the closer to the beam you get the more the influence is on you. This would also make sense because you actually can see the beam affect the rockets when you fire them at the reaper, so there is no doubt there is some type of invisible field around the beam that affects objects and I assume people. Look previous for the letter about guy fighting indoctrination. He obviously comments about wanting to go there but he is fighting it. So there is something indoctrinating. No doubt. It would also explain how Reapers could make harvesting effecient. Let the prey come to you.

What is the significance of the time on Big Ben? So what if an hour and 40 min. has passed?

Edit - typo that hanged implication...

Thanix 'missiles' do not exist. There is no codex entry on them and the woman that talks about them over they radio somehow knows they do a f-ton of damage. Whenever we get info on tech in the game we get a codex entry. Why not now?

The time at the Hades canon and the time at the LZ are the same. So does not that mean they are static and just there for aesthetics or is time not moving? More than 10 minutes had passed from the Hades to the LZ so why doesn't the clock there - which is illuminated so must be working - no read at least 10:15 or 10:20 or anything other than 10:05. We know time seemed to pass and Ben is working given it reads 11:45 at the end. Just pointing it out. It could mean nothing.

Modifié par Turbo_J, 10 juin 2012 - 07:19 .

[DJBare]

balance5050 wrote...

I still think the leaked script was a red herring.

You are not alone in that thought, it was all.....just too convenient.

[paxxton]

DJBare wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

I still think the leaked script was a red herring.

You are not alone in that thought, it was all.....just too convenient.

Valve "leaked" Half-Life 2 in 2003.  The magnitudes of both events would have been comparable if the script was legit.

Modifié par paxxton, 10 juin 2012 - 07:18 .

[dreamgazer]

 How are you fine folks doing today?  

Are our heads still spinning over Riot's visual parallels? 

[dreamgazer]

DJBare wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

I still think the leaked script was a red herring.

You are not alone in that thought, it was all.....just too convenient.

Yeah, I haven't been able to let go of the script shenanigans around The Empire Strikes Back over the past few days. 

Let alone the fact that big-budget productions (usually in film) often plant false or partly-false scripts on purpose. 

Modifié par dreamgazer, 10 juin 2012 - 07:18 .

[paxxton]

dreamgazer wrote...

DJBare wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

I still think the leaked script was a red herring.

You are not alone in that thought, it was all.....just too convenient.

Yeah, I haven't been able to let go of the script shenanigans around The Empire Strikes Back over the past few days. 

Let alone the fact that big-budget productions (usually in film) often plant false or partly-false scripts on purpose. 

Sometimes early trailers show things that don't quite make it into the final product (game trailers included).

Modifié par paxxton, 10 juin 2012 - 07:21 .

[Rifneno]

Turbo_J wrote...

The time at the Hades canon and the time at the LZ are the same. So does not mean they are static and just there for aesthetics or is time not moving. More than 10 minutes had passed from the Hades to the LZ so why doesn't the clock there - which is illuminated so must be working - no read at least 10:15 or 10:20 or anything other than 10:05. We know time seemed to pass and Ben is working given it reads 11:45 at the end. Just pointing it out. It could mean nothing.

I'd like to point out that fans of lucid dreaming check their watches often for anomalies like that.  Lucid dreams are dreams where you know you're dreaming and can then have some fun since you know you're not in reality.  There's subtle clues you can watch for to tip you off but you have to watch for them in your obviously waking hours too so they're such a habit you'll do them in dreams.  One of the most prominent is checking your watch very often.  If hours pass in what was obviously minutes or such, that's a huge tipoff.  Apparently the way our brains work when dreaming is that we can remember what time we saw on our watch a few moments ago but our mind still picks something almost ranom to display on the watch.

As you say, it could be nothing... but that could be the significance if it is on purpose.

[paxxton]

Rifneno wrote...

Not much to add, but wow, Riot is MVP for the month. Maybe ever.

The fleet coming through the relay at such speeds isn't unheardof. Both the geth and Arcturus fleets came through at similar speeds in ME1.

I'm still betting on Shepard never having woken up from the third dream. Need to find my Normandy symolism idea from a few days ago. Maybe later, going to check out an idea I had that, while so off the wall I don't even want to voice it but would be omg if true.

... Would've liked to study seashells. <hits elevator button>

When you come up with reasons why he didn't wake up let us know, ok?

Modifié par paxxton, 10 juin 2012 - 07:27 .

[Rifneno]

paxxton wrote...

When you come up with reasons why he didn't wake up let us know, ok?

Nanites did it.

[paxxton]

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

When you come up with reasons why he didn't wake up let us know, ok?

Nanites did it.

I thought you had some new idea. He wasn't influenced by nanides at that point of the game.

Hmm...  Unless he had caught them on Sanctuary.

Modifié par paxxton, 10 juin 2012 - 07:32 .

[MaximizedAction]

Rifneno wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

The time at the Hades canon and the time at the LZ are the same. So does not mean they are static and just there for aesthetics or is time not moving. More than 10 minutes had passed from the Hades to the LZ so why doesn't the clock there - which is illuminated so must be working - no read at least 10:15 or 10:20 or anything other than 10:05. We know time seemed to pass and Ben is working given it reads 11:45 at the end. Just pointing it out. It could mean nothing.

I'd like to point out that fans of lucid dreaming check their watches often for anomalies like that.  Lucid dreams are dreams where you know you're dreaming and can then have some fun since you know you're not in reality.  There's subtle clues you can watch for to tip you off but you have to watch for them in your obviously waking hours too so they're such a habit you'll do them in dreams.  One of the most prominent is checking your watch very often.  If hours pass in what was obviously minutes or such, that's a huge tipoff.  Apparently the way our brains work when dreaming is that we can remember what time we saw on our watch a few moments ago but our mind still picks something almost ranom to display on the watch.

As you say, it could be nothing... but that could be the significance if it is on purpose.

Man, I'd love to learn lucid dreaming. Hate my brain for deactivating the ability of critical thinking.

[Rifneno]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Man, I'd love to learn lucid dreaming. Hate my brain for deactivating the ability of critical thinking.

Hey, look on the bright side.  At least you're not a literalist, their brains don't activate critical thinking even in their waking hours.

[ivenoidea]

Rifneno wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

The time at the Hades canon and the time at the LZ are the same. So does not mean they are static and just there for aesthetics or is time not moving. More than 10 minutes had passed from the Hades to the LZ so why doesn't the clock there - which is illuminated so must be working - no read at least 10:15 or 10:20 or anything other than 10:05. We know time seemed to pass and Ben is working given it reads 11:45 at the end. Just pointing it out. It could mean nothing.

I'd like to point out that fans of lucid dreaming check their watches often for anomalies like that.  Lucid dreams are dreams where you know you're dreaming and can then have some fun since you know you're not in reality.  There's subtle clues you can watch for to tip you off but you have to watch for them in your obviously waking hours too so they're such a habit you'll do them in dreams.  One of the most prominent is checking your watch very often.  If hours pass in what was obviously minutes or such, that's a huge tipoff.  Apparently the way our brains work when dreaming is that we can remember what time we saw on our watch a few moments ago but our mind still picks something almost ranom to display on the watch.

As you say, it could be nothing... but that could be the significance if it is on purpose.

I'm now officially scared to ever attempt lucid dreaming. I'll just end up like the girl in Inception.

[D.Sharrah]

Speaking of the dreams...I was wondering if there was any way that we could tie them more directly to Indoctrination...and the only thing that I can really think of is the specific timing of the dreams in game...what I mean to say what is the in game timeline of events around each dream? I seem to remember that they occur after sections of gameplay where Shep has been in close contact with Reapers/reaper tech...is this right? If so, can we fairly say that there is as much as correlation b/w the dreams and reapers as there is b/w the dreams and increased stress? I don't think that it is enough that we can say there is a direct cause and effect...but a correlation along with the symbolism that seems to strike a chord with Indoctrination itself, clearly strengthens the argument.

[paxxton]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Speaking of the dreams...I was wondering if there was any way that we could tie them more directly to Indoctrination...and the only thing that I can really think of is the specific timing of the dreams in game...what I mean to say what is the in game timeline of events around each dream? I seem to remember that they occur after sections of gameplay where Shep has been in close contact with Reapers/reaper tech...is this right? If so, can we fairly say that there is as much as correlation b/w the dreams and reapers as there is b/w the dreams and increased stress? I don't think that it is enough that we can say there is a direct cause and effect...but a correlation along with the symbolism that seems to strike a chord with Indoctrination itself, clearly strengthens the argument.

The first dream is before Palaven/after the Citadel, the third is before Cronos/after Sanctuary.

Modifié par paxxton, 10 juin 2012 - 07:40 .

[ivenoidea]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Speaking of the dreams...I was wondering if there was any way that we could tie them more directly to Indoctrination...and the only thing that I can really think of is the specific timing of the dreams in game...what I mean to say what is the in game timeline of events around each dream? I seem to remember that they occur after sections of gameplay where Shep has been in close contact with Reapers/reaper tech...is this right? If so, can we fairly say that there is as much as correlation b/w the dreams and reapers as there is b/w the dreams and increased stress? I don't think that it is enough that we can say there is a direct cause and effect...but a correlation along with the symbolism that seems to strike a chord with Indoctrination itself, clearly strengthens the argument.

The first is after leaving earth, i don't remember the second one and the third one is after Shepard has sex.

Knew it, Liara is a reaper-doomsday device.

[paxxton]

ivenoidea wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Speaking of the dreams...I was wondering if there was any way that we could tie them more directly to Indoctrination...and the only thing that I can really think of is the specific timing of the dreams in game...what I mean to say what is the in game timeline of events around each dream? I seem to remember that they occur after sections of gameplay where Shep has been in close contact with Reapers/reaper tech...is this right? If so, can we fairly say that there is as much as correlation b/w the dreams and reapers as there is b/w the dreams and increased stress? I don't think that it is enough that we can say there is a direct cause and effect...but a correlation along with the symbolism that seems to strike a chord with Indoctrination itself, clearly strengthens the argument.

The first is after leaving earth, i don't remember the second one and the third one is after Shepard has sex.

Knew it, Liara is a reaper-doomsday device.

No, no. Not before Mars.

Modifié par paxxton, 10 juin 2012 - 07:41 .

[D.Sharrah]

First dream - Is it before or after you take the VS to Huerta?

Edit:  If it is after Huerta, this may be some evidence for the "Citadel is Indoctrinating People" Theory...or it could just be the stress...if it was closer to the escape from Earth (even if it is after Mars) it would make sense that there is still the likelihood of "Reaper" influence...

Modifié par D.Sharrah, 10 juin 2012 - 07:45 .

[paxxton]

D.Sharrah wrote...

First dream - Is it before or after you take the VS to Huerta?

I think it's after. Makes sense if the Citadel is an indoctrination device. But wouldn't that imply that all the Mass Relays have that capability?

Modifié par paxxton, 10 juin 2012 - 07:51 .

[D.Sharrah]

paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

First dream - Is it before or after you take the VS to Huerta?

I think it's after. Makes sense if the Citadel is an indoctrination device. But wouldn't that imply that all the Mass Relays have that capability?

Just added an edit...stating just that.  I am not sure that you can simply link it to Mass Relays...but the Mass Relays may have something to do with the Reapers ability to "transmit" indoctrination...

[Razhael]

I think that you can see in the first room of the base on earth, under the spotlight (Priority: Earth), the sofa from shepard's room.

[TJBartlemus]

I enjoy that everyone has their ideas on where the dream starts, but all I ask is for some proof to support it. Having not waken up from the third dream seems illogical to the story and  there is not proof to support it. As well with Cronos station similarites, there is just speculation. Not proof. If you guys do find proof on that PM me and let me know!!!

So far the only feasible explainations to where the dreams start or there is indoctrination influence so far is the original IT, and what we believe is that the beam is an indoctrination device...(please let me know if I am missing any that have proof that I haven't mentioned.)

My idea is that the fact that the beam is an indoctrination device goes hand in hand with the IT, and explains what I felt was an absence of a lead up to the "indoctrination dream". As Shepard gets closer to the beam he starts experiancing some form of indoctrination induced narcolepsy. Definition: "Narcolepsy is a neurological disorder that affects the
control of sleep and wakefulness. People with narcolepsy experience
excessive daytime sleepiness and intermittent, uncontrollable episodes
of falling asleep during the daytime. These sudden sleep attacks may
occur during any type of activity at any time of the day." Shepard starts having what I believe is where he is both awake but getting images from his subconcious and not notice it. The difference between Narcolepsy and what I am descibing would be that Shepard wouldn't notice the change and be in a "limbo" between asleep and awake. When he finally gets  hit with Harby's beam it shoots him into full blown sleep and into the "indoctrination dream".

[D.Sharrah]

paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

First dream - Is it before or after you take the VS to Huerta?

I think it's after. Makes sense if the Citadel is an indoctrination device. But wouldn't that imply that all the Mass Relays have that capability?

EDIT: Doesn't Liara suggest Shepard to get rest after Mars? The dream might take place then.

That's what I can't remember...I remember that one of the dreams (the 2nd I believe) is after Garrus tells you to get some rest...Shep says I'll rest when I'm dead...Garrus says we need you thinking clearly, I'll make sure that Joker doesn't launch any suicide missions...lots of paraphrasing there but you should get the general idea.