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Okay, this has nothing to do with IT but it's been bothering me for a while... am I missing some reason that Tali is drinking over Miranda, who has a minor scratch on her face, at the same time as we get news that Kal'Reegar is dead?

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So what was the Easter egg was it the breathing scene or was it the Stargazer scene?

I ask this because I want to know was it a fan that started this or was it a staff member in Bioware?

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greatcrusader44 wrote...

I can confirm that I was very out of if during the catalyst scene, but it was 4am when I finished, so it was prob from being on for so long.


I was wide awake when I did the ending. My best friend told me that he was too, and while discussing it, it came up that we were both afflicted by a similar strange sense of confusion and bewilderment during the Catalyst scene. Could just a coincidence, but maybe not. 

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masster blaster wrote...

So what was the Easter egg was it the breathing scene or was it the Stargazer scene?

I ask this because I want to know was it a fan that started this or was it a staff member in Bioware?

The Easter Egg was the Stargazer scene cause it plays after the credits and has nothing to do with the main story.

Modifié par paxxton, 10 juin 2012 - 09:20 .


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Rifneno wrote...

Okay, this has nothing to do with IT but it's been bothering me for a while... am I missing some reason that Tali is drinking over Miranda, who has a minor scratch on her face, at the same time as we get news that Kal'Reegar is dead?


Probably because of her father. Tali's father did horrible things and she didn't oppose him, but Miranda just fought against him.

Modifié par Corik, 10 juin 2012 - 09:20 .


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HellishFiend wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...
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I'm continuing to work on the Normandy infrasound evidence, but I may simply not have what I need.
[...]

I have no idea what you are talking about, bit it sounds pretty interesting...can you explain what you are trying to find to a tech-noob like me? :)


Infrasound is one of the things cited by the codex as a Reaper Indoctrination tool.

Infrasound is a real life thing that can and does cause psychological effects. In fact, the same can be said about most, if not all of the things the codex entry cites. 

That's all well and good, but normally we rely on the game to tell or indicate to us when any of those things are present. However, most large speakers can reproduce infrasound, but it is usually a pointless affair since we cant hear it, and it can be damaging to the speakers at high volumes. TSA has some professional audio equipment that allows him to filter sound down to very specific ranges, and speakers that can safely reproduce them. He claims to have filtered out everything above 20hz, and is still getting heavy woofer movement. 

What we need is either a video like this that proves the existence of infrasound on the Normandy through woofer movement, or something like this (the view in the upper right corner), which displays a visual representation of the frequencies within the audio signal. 


Reposting on new page for curious lurkers. (we love you, lurkers!<3)


here's an interesting video about infrasound in a tiger's roar


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MaximizedAction wrote...

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TJBartlemus wrote...

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You should check the thing on the control panel cause it's there and then a few seconds later when he goes up the elevator (which doesn't go the right way) it's gone. :o


Are you proposing that it might mean something, or just finding it curious?


I don't know. Could be either cause as far as I see there should be nothing making that shadow.


Keep in mind that the shadows in that scene are particularly wonky compared to the rest of the game. 

A while back we spent some time going over the shadows of that entire scene. We determined that it is blatantly intentional that Anderson and TIM's shadows are locked at a certain angle opposite of each other, and do not change based on their relative position to any light source in the room. They are at a 90 degree angle from each other, or rather, opposing 45 degree angles along Shepard's path to the control panel.

I speculated that it could be analogous to a dialog wheel, since at one point in the conversation, the camera clearly highlights the angles of the shadows, and even goes so far as to hide Shepard entirely.

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I think it was Megumi who did a 4 pic comparison of the shadows at important moments during the conversation. Sometimes it looked to me as if Shepard's shadow seemed like a superposition of the two other shadows.

But whatever it is, TIM's and Anderson's shadow are never from a main light source as the shadow of the console, as can be seen from the above shot.

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estebanus wrote...

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Omg I'm away for the week end and when I return I see this again >.>

Btw heard of the new DLC stuff posted on reddit? Sounds exactly like AD predicted.

What DLC stuff ?

I was away this weekend so I missed stuff and got no link but from what I know it's from the same account that posted stuff about the last DLC. The DLC name is "Earth". Maps are London, Rio, and Vancouver. New weapons: Acolyte HP, Typhoon SMG, and Piranha Shotgun. The six new classes are all human N7 and called: Destroyer, Paladin, Demolisher, Slayer, Shadow, and Fury.


Considering that the last leak from this guy was accurate, I'd be inclined to believe that this is accurate. Also, even our founder, the mighty Byne, agrees that Arian is officially the finest of us.



Byne is not the only one who thinks this! Arian is the best the IT has to offer, and besides of that, he's just so nerdy that it makes him awesome!


Here here! I believe I was the one who suggested that he was our finest originally. Good to see I'm not the only one. Byne and lex0r also agreed at the time. There might have been others who agreed when I originally suggested that, but I can't remember them.

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Rifneno wrote...

Okay, this has nothing to do with IT but it's been bothering me for a while... am I missing some reason that Tali is drinking over Miranda, who has a minor scratch on her face, at the same time as we get news that Kal'Reegar is dead?

I got the impression they wanted to keep that scene for those of us who actually save Miranda, and came up with the far-fetched excuse that Tali is jealous Miranda could stand to her father (or something). I'm not really sure what that's all about.

If it does indeed coincide with Kal's death by e-mail I much prefer that interpretation, though.

Modifié par Melancholic, 10 juin 2012 - 09:23 .


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Rifneno wrote...

Okay, this has nothing to do with IT but it's been bothering me for a while... am I missing some reason that Tali is drinking over Miranda, who has a minor scratch on her face, at the same time as we get news that Kal'Reegar is dead?



Uhhhh... I got the Kal'Reegar news right after doing priority:rannoch, so I don't think that has anything to do with it...

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Corik wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Okay, this has nothing to do with IT but it's been bothering me for a while... am I missing some reason that Tali is drinking over Miranda, who has a minor scratch on her face, at the same time as we get news that Kal'Reegar is dead?


Probably because of her father. Tali's father did horrible things and she didn't oppose him, but Miranda just fought against him.

She didn't have any opportunity to oppose him before she found him dead.

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estebanus wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Okay, this has nothing to do with IT but it's been bothering me for a while... am I missing some reason that Tali is drinking over Miranda, who has a minor scratch on her face, at the same time as we get news that Kal'Reegar is dead?



Uhhhh... I got the Kal'Reegar news right after doing priority:rannoch, so I don't think that has anything to do with it...

I don't even remember getting the news at all. Posted Image

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paxxton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

So what was the Easter egg was it the breathing scene or was it the Stargazer scene?

I ask this because I want to know was it a fan that started this or was it a staff member in Bioware?

The Easter Egg was the Stargazer scene cause it plays after the credits and has nothing to do with the main story.


I hope your right Paxxton because if it's not then Shepard this is goodbye old friend.

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Dwailing wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

SirLugash wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
Omg I'm away for the week end and when I return I see this again >.>

Btw heard of the new DLC stuff posted on reddit? Sounds exactly like AD predicted.

What DLC stuff ?

I was away this weekend so I missed stuff and got no link but from what I know it's from the same account that posted stuff about the last DLC. The DLC name is "Earth". Maps are London, Rio, and Vancouver. New weapons: Acolyte HP, Typhoon SMG, and Piranha Shotgun. The six new classes are all human N7 and called: Destroyer, Paladin, Demolisher, Slayer, Shadow, and Fury.


Considering that the last leak from this guy was accurate, I'd be inclined to believe that this is accurate. Also, even our founder, the mighty Byne, agrees that Arian is officially the finest of us.



Byne is not the only one who thinks this! Arian is the best the IT has to offer, and besides of that, he's just so nerdy that it makes him awesome!


Here here! I believe I was the one who suggested that he was our finest originally. Good to see I'm not the only one. Byne and lex0r also agreed at the time. There might have been others who agreed when I originally suggested that, but I can't remember them.



I was one of them, but seriously, he has done a lot to help the IT, which is why I find him awesome!

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paxxton wrote...

Corik wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Okay, this has nothing to do with IT but it's been bothering me for a while... am I missing some reason that Tali is drinking over Miranda, who has a minor scratch on her face, at the same time as we get news that Kal'Reegar is dead?


Probably because of her father. Tali's father did horrible things and she didn't oppose him, but Miranda just fought against him.

She didn't have any opportunity to oppose him before she found him dead.


yeah, that's what I mean. Sorry, I'm falling asleep and can't explain myself.

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greatcrusader44 wrote...

I can confirm that I was very out of if during the catalyst scene, but it was 4am when I finished, so it was prob from being on for so long.


I think some of us (maybe most? Poll needed!) had problems to concentrate during the Catalyst scene is also due to BioWare setting up the previous events in an appropriate fashion. First the exhausting fight for the missles, then the adrenalin pumping run for the beam. Then all this confusion and questions that builds up during the following dialogs (that Tasteful Nerdrage video guy explained that the best).

All of that leaves its marks in the player's mind. So if you happen to not be doing ME3 night overtime, then all that wall of unanswered questions limit the listeners attention span non-trivially.

So, if the ending is choreographed to the last second, then they succeeded!

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masster blaster wrote...

paxxton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

So what was the Easter egg was it the breathing scene or was it the Stargazer scene?

I ask this because I want to know was it a fan that started this or was it a staff member in Bioware?

The Easter Egg was the Stargazer scene cause it plays after the credits and has nothing to do with the main story.


I hope your right Paxxton because if it's not then Shepard this is goodbye old friend.

Tali always tried to please her father, and she regretted that. Miranda was the complete opposite which she admired.

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HellishFiend wrote...

greatcrusader44 wrote...

I can confirm that I was very out of if during the catalyst scene, but it was 4am when I finished, so it was prob from being on for so long.


I was wide awake when I did the ending. My best friend told me that he was too, and while discussing it, it came up that we were both afflicted by a similar strange sense of confusion and bewilderment during the Catalyst scene. Could just a coincidence, but maybe not. 


I was playing it at about 10am, still pretty much awake, but as soon as i got up there i got a headache, was confused and tired.

And then i chose Control. FML.

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Rifneno wrote...

Okay, this has nothing to do with IT but it's been bothering me for a while... am I missing some reason that Tali is drinking over Miranda, who has a minor scratch on her face, at the same time as we get news that Kal'Reegar is dead?


I know that alot of people commented that Tali's reaction seems more appropraite if Miranda dies (which can be accomplished by refusing to give her the Alliance data - or so I have heard)...

I thought it was such a shame that we had to read about Kal'Reegar instead of seeing it...

And in any case, I am not sure that Tali would be aware of Kal'Reegar's death at that moment...unless Shep shares it with her and given the fact that she is already struggling with the emergency induction port - it may not have been the best time.  Since I usually romance Liara, I don't have an idea of the Tali conversations for the "romance" - but it would have been nice for romanced Tali and Shep to discuss at some point (given that Tali and Reegar seem friendly).

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

paxxton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

So what was the Easter egg was it the breathing scene or was it the Stargazer scene?

I ask this because I want to know was it a fan that started this or was it a staff member in Bioware?

The Easter Egg was the Stargazer scene cause it plays after the credits and has nothing to do with the main story.


I hope your right Paxxton because if it's not then Shepard this is goodbye old friend.

Tali always tried to please her father, and she regretted that. Miranda was the complete opposite which she admired.

Wrong quotation string. Posted Image

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ivenoidea wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

greatcrusader44 wrote...

I can confirm that I was very out of if during the catalyst scene, but it was 4am when I finished, so it was prob from being on for so long.


I was wide awake when I did the ending. My best friend told me that he was too, and while discussing it, it came up that we were both afflicted by a similar strange sense of confusion and bewilderment during the Catalyst scene. Could just a coincidence, but maybe not. 


I was playing it at about 10am, still pretty much awake, but as soon as i got up there i got a headache, was confused and tired.

And then i chose Control. FML.


I got depressed the moment I saw Shepard almost dead and my crewmates disappeared. I was depressed, confused, angry... Destroyed the reapers and spent almost a week trying to get over my depression XD

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paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

paxxton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

So what was the Easter egg was it the breathing scene or was it the Stargazer scene?

I ask this because I want to know was it a fan that started this or was it a staff member in Bioware?

The Easter Egg was the Stargazer scene cause it plays after the credits and has nothing to do with the main story.


I hope your right Paxxton because if it's not then Shepard this is goodbye old friend.

Tali always tried to please her father, and she regretted that. Miranda was the complete opposite which she admired.

Wrong quotation string. Posted Image

Whoops, you still know which I meant :P
Usually forums have these buttons at the bottom of the post so I get confused :P

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 10 juin 2012 - 09:28 .


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paxxton wrote...

Corik wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Okay, this has nothing to do with IT but it's been bothering me for a while... am I missing some reason that Tali is drinking over Miranda, who has a minor scratch on her face, at the same time as we get news that Kal'Reegar is dead?


Probably because of her father. Tali's father did horrible things and she didn't oppose him, but Miranda just fought against him.

She didn't have any opportunity to oppose him before she found him dead.


You now I hate the fact that they killed Reegar because A I saved his *** for what to die in six months when the Reapers invade, and I hated that all the people we helped save and promised to return the favor one day either died, or Indoc, so damm it.:(

Edit and Yes I know THERE IS A WAR GOING ON:).

Modifié par masster blaster, 10 juin 2012 - 09:31 .


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Arashi08 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...
[...]
I'm continuing to work on the Normandy infrasound evidence, but I may simply not have what I need.
[...]

I have no idea what you are talking about, bit it sounds pretty interesting...can you explain what you are trying to find to a tech-noob like me? :)


Infrasound is one of the things cited by the codex as a Reaper Indoctrination tool.

Infrasound is a real life thing that can and does cause psychological effects. In fact, the same can be said about most, if not all of the things the codex entry cites. 

That's all well and good, but normally we rely on the game to tell or indicate to us when any of those things are present. However, most large speakers can reproduce infrasound, but it is usually a pointless affair since we cant hear it, and it can be damaging to the speakers at high volumes. TSA has some professional audio equipment that allows him to filter sound down to very specific ranges, and speakers that can safely reproduce them. He claims to have filtered out everything above 20hz, and is still getting heavy woofer movement. 

What we need is either a video like this that proves the existence of infrasound on the Normandy through woofer movement, or something like this (the view in the upper right corner), which displays a visual representation of the frequencies within the audio signal. 


Reposting on new page for curious lurkers. (we love you, lurkers!<3)


here's an interesting video about infrasound in a tiger's roar


Cool video! Didnt realize that animals used infrasound as a weapon. Perhaps the Reapers arent as clever as we give them credit for.... :lol:

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HellishFiend wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...
[...]
I'm continuing to work on the Normandy infrasound evidence, but I may simply not have what I need.
[...]

I have no idea what you are talking about, bit it sounds pretty interesting...can you explain what you are trying to find to a tech-noob like me? :)


Infrasound is one of the things cited by the codex as a Reaper Indoctrination tool.

Infrasound is a real life thing that can and does cause psychological effects. In fact, the same can be said about most, if not all of the things the codex entry cites. 

That's all well and good, but normally we rely on the game to tell or indicate to us when any of those things are present. However, most large speakers can reproduce infrasound, but it is usually a pointless affair since we cant hear it, and it can be damaging to the speakers at high volumes. TSA has some professional audio equipment that allows him to filter sound down to very specific ranges, and speakers that can safely reproduce them. He claims to have filtered out everything above 20hz, and is still getting heavy woofer movement. 

What we need is either a video like this that proves the existence of infrasound on the Normandy through woofer movement, or something like this (the view in the upper right corner), which displays a visual representation of the frequencies within the audio signal. 


Reposting on new page for curious lurkers. (we love you, lurkers!<3)


here's an interesting video about infrasound in a tiger's roar


Cool video! Didnt realize that animals used infrasound as a weapon. Perhaps the Reapers arent as clever as we give them credit for.... :lol:


I'm pretty sure no one has been indoctrinated by a bat so far... xD