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[gunslinger_ruiz]

byne wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Well hell, looks like we lost Operation: SILENCER in MP. Either that or we won and Hackett's RPing how many losses we took in the blog release. I must've taken down 30-40 Banshee's in my own squads but damn if I could've just taken a few more.

Suppose we can't win a war without expecting some losses. And in Asari space too hmm..coincide with the Thessia defeat? A prelude to it? Arian's timeline may be up to something (as I have suspected for awhile now). We'll see for sure with the next Operation or two.

I think we won. Withdrawal from Asari colonies is canon in-game, is it not? No matter how well the special forces do, I dont think we can change canon.

...Huh, good point I didn't think of it that way. I guess we'll know for sure if we get our Victory packs. Either way I think we're getting close to an Operation having to do with Earth space maybe coincide with the next DLC. Speculations!

[Icinix]

Unschuld wrote...

JasonSic wrote...

Does Vega ever encounter reaper tech in the comics about him?

Good point. If the Darkhorse for iphone would work for a change, maybe the comic I got would actually ****ing download for once and I could find out. I didn't read the first comic about Vega though, where he meets Shepard.  

..doesn't he say something about grabbing the data off the collectors rather than saving the civvies? Isn't that what that weird looking anime is all about?

[Unschuld]

dreamgazer wrote...
Rage over a twist? No, no.  Rage over a key love interest flipping like that? Maybe.

I certainly would have been open to it, had BioWare done it well.  I also think she'd probably taken similar measures to the ones her mother took to combat it, but they could flesh it out well. 

Well, I suppose if you had the chance to prevent her from getting her brains blown out, I don't think there would be any rage over it. Just a thought. *shrug*

I still think it could have been an awesome twist.

[MegumiAzusa]

RavenEyry wrote...

He hears a hum and you don't really know anything about him, which isn't much to go on, but I'd call him a more likely candidate for traitor than creator's pet Liara.

What we know about Vega:
He's hearing hums.
He feels like being watched on one of the N7 missions that turns out to be crawling with Reapers.
He feels a watching when near the proto Reaper.
His squad was ambushed by Collectors working with Cerberus, only he survived.
He calls Shep Lola, that should be reason enough

[Rifneno]

paxxton wrote...

That's weird, man.

No, what's weird is you made a post without a link in it. Believing someone is a massive tool for blaming a Reaper attack on racial supremacists after having just experienced the full horror of said Reaper slaves first hand, is quite normal.

JasonSic wrote...

Does Vega ever encounter reaper tech in the comics about him?

Maybe steroids are Reaper tech. Somebody check on Barry Bonds.

[paxxton]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

He hears a hum and you don't really know anything about him, which isn't much to go on, but I'd call him a more likely candidate for traitor than creator's pet Liara.

What we know about Vega:
He's hearing hums.
He feels like being watched on one of the N7 missions that turns out to be crawling with Reapers.
He feels a watching when near the proto Reaper.
His squad was ambushed by Collectors working with Cerberus, only he survived.
He calls Shep Lola, that should be reason enough

Operation LOCO/LOLA - it's a Reaper codename.

Modifié par paxxton, 16 mai 2012 - 10:53 .

[dreamgazer]

Unschuld wrote...

Well, I suppose if you had the chance to prevent her from getting her brains blown out, I don't think there would be any rage over it. Just a thought. *shrug*

I still think it could have been an awesome twist.

Oh, if you could break her from it, maybe similarly to the way you do with Connor in Dragon Age? Yeah, that'd be tremendous. 

[RavenEyry]

Rifneno wrote...

Maybe steroids are Reaper tech. Somebody check on Barry Bonds.

Dat mohawk is reaper tech.

[dreamgazer]

paxxton wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

He hears a hum and you don't really know anything about him, which isn't much to go on, but I'd call him a more likely candidate for traitor than creator's pet Liara.

Vega has a weak mind so he's a perfect candidate for indoctrination. Liara is harder to indoctrinate but more valuable for the Reapers once possessed.

Weak of mind, yet strong of resolve. You'll find that sometimes it's harder to sway stubborn, tunnel-visioned people who exercise less reasoning faculties and stick to their guns. In that, I think the VS might be easier to indoctrinate than Vega.

[MegumiAzusa]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

byne wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Well hell, looks like we lost Operation: SILENCER in MP. Either that or we won and Hackett's RPing how many losses we took in the blog release. I must've taken down 30-40 Banshee's in my own squads but damn if I could've just taken a few more.

Suppose we can't win a war without expecting some losses. And in Asari space too hmm..coincide with the Thessia defeat? A prelude to it? Arian's timeline may be up to something (as I have suspected for awhile now). We'll see for sure with the next Operation or two.

I think we won. Withdrawal from Asari colonies is canon in-game, is it not? No matter how well the special forces do, I dont think we can change canon.

...Huh, good point I didn't think of it that way. I guess we'll know for sure if we get our Victory packs. Either way I think we're getting close to an Operation having to do with Earth space maybe coincide with the next DLC. Speculations!

No we lost, I already have the Commendation Pack, but no Victory Pack, and from the experience with last events the Victory Pack was always the first to get. Crusader btw.

[DJBare]

Unschuld wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
You can. And Vega has many signs of indoctrination.

He might as well make a good husk, I don't think he has the mental faculties to pull off anything truly maniacal.
Vega's alright in my book, but he is such a stereotype. Not all of us are meatheads.

Again, this makes his personality type perfect, you don't suspect him because he IS a meathead.
We don't suspect Liara because we are conditioned to consider her a goody two shoes.
We don't suspect Hackett or Anderson because they've had Shepards back throughout the series.

If you are going to pick characters to betray Shepard, then you select the least suspicious, as I said earlier, betrayal won't work from a story perspective if the protagonist is already suspicious.

[MaximizedAction]

DJBare wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
You can. And Vega has many signs of indoctrination.

He might as well make a good husk, I don't think he has the mental faculties to pull off anything truly maniacal.
Vega's alright in my book, but he is such a stereotype. Not all of us are meatheads.

Again, this makes his personality type perfect, you don't suspect him because he IS a meathead.
We don't suspect Liara because we are conditioned to consider her a goody two shoes.
We don't suspect Hackett or Anderson because they've had Shepards back throughout the series.

If you are going to pick characters to betray Shepard, then you select the least suspicious, as I said earlier, betrayal won't work from a story perspective if the protagonist is already suspicious.

Ok, let's extrapolate on that logic: the inverse twist would be TIM ending up on your side?

Intriguing, but highly unlikely...but still intriguing.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 16 mai 2012 - 10:50 .

[Unschuld]

MegumiAzusa wrote...
No we lost, I already have the Commendation Pack, but no Victory Pack, and from the experience with last events the Victory Pack was always the first to get. Crusader btw.

Just logged in to check for my pack, I FINALLY got my Valiant!!!


Crap... what was I goting to post about...

[Dantexr3]

dreamgazer wrote...

paxxton wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

He hears a hum and you don't really know anything about him, which isn't much to go on, but I'd call him a more likely candidate for traitor than creator's pet Liara.

Vega has a weak mind so he's a perfect candidate for indoctrination. Liara is harder to indoctrinate but more valuable for the Reapers once possessed.

Weak of mind, yet strong of resolve. You'll find that sometimes it's harder to sway stubborn, tunnel-visioned people who exercise less reasoning faculties and stick to their guns. In that, I think the VS might be easier to indoctrinate than Vega.

Well, both of the VS have some kind of hostility against Shepard for his/her alliance with Cerberus. So maybe being angy and distrust against other person can make you more easy to indoctrinate.

[paxxton]

dreamgazer wrote...

paxxton wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

He hears a hum and you don't really know anything about him, which isn't much to go on, but I'd call him a more likely candidate for traitor than creator's pet Liara.

Vega has a weak mind so he's a perfect candidate for indoctrination. Liara is harder to indoctrinate but more valuable for the Reapers once possessed.

Weak of mind, yet strong of resolve. You'll find that sometimes it's harder to sway stubborn, tunnel-visioned people who exercise less reasoning faculties and stick to their guns. In that, I think the VS might be easier to indoctrinate than Vega.

Now the Reapers just need to find someone who is highly respected by Vega. That's all it takes to indoctrinate him.

[Salient Archer]

byne wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Well hell, looks like we lost Operation: SILENCER in MP. Either that or we won and Hackett's RPing how many losses we took in the blog release. I must've taken down 30-40 Banshee's in my own squads but damn if I could've just taken a few more.

Suppose we can't win a war without expecting some losses. And in Asari space too hmm..coincide with the Thessia defeat? A prelude to it? Arian's timeline may be up to something (as I have suspected for awhile now). We'll see for sure with the next Operation or two.

I think we won. Withdrawal from Asari colonies is canon in-game, is it not? No matter how well the special forces do, I dont think we can change canon.

I really hope so. My teammates and I like to keep a tally and we damn-well killed close to a thousand* [I play MP way too much].

Having said that; does BW really care about canon that much when it comes to MP? I mean c'mon 3,000,000 Banshees?!. How many Asair with predispositions towards being an Ardat-Yakshi did the Reapers find?. Because I'm starting to think Samara was wrong when she said it was 1%, it's starting to feel the other way around.

*[used for emphasis] Try more like 265

Modifié par Salient Archer, 16 mai 2012 - 10:52 .

[DJBare]

MaximizedAction wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
You can. And Vega has many signs of indoctrination.

He might as well make a good husk, I don't think he has the mental faculties to pull off anything truly maniacal.
Vega's alright in my book, but he is such a stereotype. Not all of us are meatheads.

Again, this makes his personality type perfect, you don't suspect him because he IS a meathead.
We don't suspect Liara because we are conditioned to consider her a goody two shoes.
We don't suspect Hackett or Anderson because they've had Shepards back throughout the series.

If you are going to pick characters to betray Shepard, then you select the least suspicious, as I said earlier, betrayal won't work from a story perspective if the protagonist is already suspicious.

Ok, let's extrapolate on that logic: the inverse twist would be TIM ending up on your side?

Intriguing, but highly unlikely...but still intriguing.

TIM ending up on Shepards side does not follow what I've said, TIM is already a pawn of the reapers, his complete indoctrination took place at TIM's base while he stood staring at the human reaper remains, active remains I might add.

[MegumiAzusa]

Dantexr3 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

paxxton wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

He hears a hum and you don't really know anything about him, which isn't much to go on, but I'd call him a more likely candidate for traitor than creator's pet Liara.

Vega has a weak mind so he's a perfect candidate for indoctrination. Liara is harder to indoctrinate but more valuable for the Reapers once possessed.

Weak of mind, yet strong of resolve. You'll find that sometimes it's harder to sway stubborn, tunnel-visioned people who exercise less reasoning faculties and stick to their guns. In that, I think the VS might be easier to indoctrinate than Vega.

Well, both of the VS have some kind of hostility against Shepard for his/her alliance with Cerberus. So maybe being angy and distrust against other person can make you more easy to indoctrinate.

It would be easy in both cases. One already having distrust, and explicitly tell you they fear being indoctrinated how close they were to Udina in the recent events.
And a tunnel vision is perfect to give it a gentle nudge. That is how they got TIM, his lust for control, from the first time you meet him he is a micromanager. He always oversees everything personally. So just create something that seemingly promises to fulfill Vega's wish to get revenge for his squad and you're set.

[Nauks]

dreamgazer wrote...
Weak of mind, yet strong of resolve. You'll find that sometimes it's harder to sway stubborn, tunnel-visioned people who exercise less reasoning faculties and stick to their guns. In that, I think the VS might be easier to indoctrinate than Vega.

And even if you kill the VS during the Cerberus coup, boom Reaper clone to betray Shepard, problem solved, they did it with the Rachni, they can do it with the VS. >

[MaximizedAction]

DJBare wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
You can. And Vega has many signs of indoctrination.

He might as well make a good husk, I don't think he has the mental faculties to pull off anything truly maniacal.
Vega's alright in my book, but he is such a stereotype. Not all of us are meatheads.

Again, this makes his personality type perfect, you don't suspect him because he IS a meathead.
We don't suspect Liara because we are conditioned to consider her a goody two shoes.
We don't suspect Hackett or Anderson because they've had Shepards back throughout the series.

If you are going to pick characters to betray Shepard, then you select the least suspicious, as I said earlier, betrayal won't work from a story perspective if the protagonist is already suspicious.

Ok, let's extrapolate on that logic: the inverse twist would be TIM ending up on your side?

Intriguing, but highly unlikely...but still intriguing.

TIM ending up on Shepards side does not follow what I've said, TIM is already a pawn of the reapers, his complete indoctrination took place at TIM's base while he stood staring at the human reaper remains, active remains I might add.

By logic I meant, doing the least expected, but of course only if it can make sense. Of course TIM has been around too much Reaper tech.

But still, him being indoctrinated isn't even close to as directly obvious as I expected it to be prior to game release.

That wasn't meant to be serious, it's dangerous to post jokes without a smily. Here, take this:

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 16 mai 2012 - 11:00 .

[MegumiAzusa]

Salient Archer wrote...

byne wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Well hell, looks like we lost Operation: SILENCER in MP. Either that or we won and Hackett's RPing how many losses we took in the blog release. I must've taken down 30-40 Banshee's in my own squads but damn if I could've just taken a few more.

Suppose we can't win a war without expecting some losses. And in Asari space too hmm..coincide with the Thessia defeat? A prelude to it? Arian's timeline may be up to something (as I have suspected for awhile now). We'll see for sure with the next Operation or two.

I think we won. Withdrawal from Asari colonies is canon in-game, is it not? No matter how well the special forces do, I dont think we can change canon.

I really hope so. My teammates and I like to keep a tally and we damn-well killed close to a thousand* [I play MP way too much].

Having said that; does BW really care about canon that much when it comes to MP? I mean c'mon 3,000,000 Banshees?!. How many Asair with predispositions towards being an Ardat-Yakshi did the Reapers find?. Because I'm starting to think Samara was wrong when she said it was 1%, it's starting to feel the other way around.

*[used for emphasis] Try more like 265

3 Mio Banshees, why not? That's about the amount of people who live in a big city. Even the US alone got over 300 Mio people. Now think how many Asari there are on multiple planets over the whole galaxy. 1% is a huge number for that.

[paxxton]

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

That's weird, man.

No, what's weird is you made a post without a link in it. Believing someone is a massive tool for blaming a Reaper attack on racial supremacists after having just experienced the full horror of said Reaper slaves first hand, is quite normal.

Existence of a tool implies existence of a user.

Do you consider deliberately deceiving people as normal?

Modifié par paxxton, 16 mai 2012 - 11:14 .

[dreamgazer]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

And a tunnel vision is perfect to give it a gentle nudge. That is how they got TIM, his lust for control, from the first time you meet him he is a micromanager. He always oversees everything personally. So just create something that seemingly promises to fulfill Vega's wish to get revenge for his squad and you're set.

Vega's a loose cannon with a short fuse, but I've never really thought of him as vengeful.  Troubled by his past, yes, but I'm not sure how easily he'd be swayed from loyalty by promises of revenge.  Maybe I'll have to reevaluate that.  

[MaximizedAction]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

byne wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Well hell, looks like we lost Operation: SILENCER in MP. Either that or we won and Hackett's RPing how many losses we took in the blog release. I must've taken down 30-40 Banshee's in my own squads but damn if I could've just taken a few more.

Suppose we can't win a war without expecting some losses. And in Asari space too hmm..coincide with the Thessia defeat? A prelude to it? Arian's timeline may be up to something (as I have suspected for awhile now). We'll see for sure with the next Operation or two.

I think we won. Withdrawal from Asari colonies is canon in-game, is it not? No matter how well the special forces do, I dont think we can change canon.

I really hope so. My teammates and I like to keep a tally and we damn-well killed close to a thousand* [I play MP way too much].

Having said that; does BW really care about canon that much when it comes to MP? I mean c'mon 3,000,000 Banshees?!. How many Asair with predispositions towards being an Ardat-Yakshi did the Reapers find?. Because I'm starting to think Samara was wrong when she said it was 1%, it's starting to feel the other way around.

*[used for emphasis] Try more like 265

3 Mio Banshees, why not? That's about the amount of people who live in a big city. Even the US alone got over 300 Mio people. Now think how many Asari there are on multiple planets over the whole galaxy. 1% is a huge number for that.

1% of all people in the world is still approx 80 mio. That's about as many as residents Germany has and it's small compared to other countries.

So 3 mio are indeed, technically speaking, on a galactic scale, negligible.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 16 mai 2012 - 11:05 .

[Dantexr3]

Want to add this thread to the Indoctrination Paran... Theory:

http://social.biowar.../index/12091334

It can be overlooked easily, but the more I think about it the most strange it gets:

- Cerberus troops executes everyone, but they only hurts Bailey and the only survivor at the initial assault.

- Despite being Bailey who alerts Shepard about the cup, Thane does.

- Cerberus troops and Kai Leng were supposed to appear through the door behind Shepard when aiming to VS/Udina. They just flee away? I don't imagine Bailey fighting agains Kai Leng.

- When on the elevators, Bailey is making Kai Leng elevator stop in every floor, but the only elevator you see stopping is the Council one, making the VS shoot you through the elevator ceiling.

- At the end of Thane's loyalty mission in ME2, TIM considers Bailey as a good candidate to contract.