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Look man, I live in Germany. I have no idea whatsoever when comic-con is. I've only heard that Bioware will be showing something there, but I don't know when comic-con is.


You mean you arent fully familiarizing yourself with American conventions and events? The quiz is tomorrow. Get studying! ;)

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I'd bet that whatever they're talking about at Comic-Con isn't the EC, but something to do with one of the two ME movies being made this year. Probably a trailer for one or both of them.

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So do any of you find it strange that the catalyst took on the form of the kid, and then there it is. How did the catalyst know about the kid on Earth. It wasn't there when it happened and I doubt Shepard would talk about the kid to a reaper much less describe every detail about the boy when Shepard was K.O.


I'm in the camp that the kid was never, ever real, and that the Reapers were using him to build a weakness within Shepard that they could then exploit at the correct moment. I personally feel we have plenty of evidence to support that just within ME3 alone. And then you have to consider that he is the one and only child that we ever see in a Mass Effect game. That fact alone might also be trying to tell us something. 


true the child is the only kid you see in ME3, and does anybody have a pictuer of the star brat smiling when you pick Control?

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estebanus wrote...

FFZero wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

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Yes but I meani if the EC does n't explain what happens at the end then well I don't know but we will see a sneak peak at it on Tuesday.



*snip*



What's on tuesday?

BioWare is showing off something at Comic Con in San Diego.



Oh, right! Comic-con! I totally forgot that!

Well, it'll be interesting to at least see what Bioware has in store for us!:P



Umm... Comic Con isn’t until mid-ish July. We won’t be getting any new info any time soon I’d wager. Unless of course someone has tweeted something about showing stuff early or there’s another San Diego Comic Con that I don’t know about.



Look man, I live in Germany. I have no idea whatsoever when comic-con is. I've only heard that Bioware will be showing something there, but I don't know when comic-con is.


Your point? I’m in the UK and through the power of google I found out when it was.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

I'd bet that whatever they're talking about at Comic-Con isn't the EC, but something to do with one of the two ME movies being made this year. Probably a trailer for one or both of them.

If it's July (not June) then it is quite probable they'll reveal at least the release date for the EC.

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Yes I now I like the Peace thing but if the EC goes south then we need to be ready.


Ready for what? I think we're on different wavelengths here. Getting defensive or going up in arms is not going to serve any positive purpose whatsoever. And it certainly isnt the point of this thread, to be sure. 

agreed, this thread isn't about forming an IT army or getting a bunch of supporters, or at least it shouldn't be.  I don't care so much about the IT that I will be devastated if it isn't true, just as long as we get a satisfying ending.  I happen to like IT because it offers alot of interestng information about things we didn't originally expect to find in the game and it brings alot of people together who can think critically and discuss all this information out there surrounding BioWare's upcoming plans.  if trolls want to attack this thread because IT is proven wrong in the future so what?  For me it isn't about anti-IT vs Pro-IT it is about being mature and thinking about the situation instead of just getting angry about it. 

Hope is an important thing ME fans could use right now and this thread offers it with alot if contributions.

That's the way I see it anyway, sorry for rambling on.

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HellishFiend wrote...

Keep in mind that the shadows in that scene are particularly wonky compared to the rest of the game. 

A while back we spent some time going over the shadows of that entire scene. We determined that it is blatantly intentional that Anderson and TIM's shadows are locked at a certain angle opposite of each other, and do not change based on their relative position to any light source in the room. They are at a 90 degree angle from each other, or rather, opposing 45 degree angles along Shepard's path to the control panel.

I speculated that it could be analogous to a dialog wheel, since at one point in the conversation, the camera clearly highlights the angles of the shadows, and even goes so far as to hide Shepard entirely.

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I think it was Megumi who did a 4 pic comparison of the shadows at important moments during the conversation. Sometimes it looked to me as if Shepard's shadow seemed like a superposition of the two other shadows.

But whatever it is, TIM's and Anderson's shadow are never from a main light source as the shadow of the console, as can be seen from the above shot.

Posted Image


Hey, okay I know the shadow thing was discussed a long time ago, but seeing it again piqued my curiosity as a math major ^_^

Not sure if this was done previously but I did a rough vector analysis of the shadows in Megumi's sketch above. If her drawing is accurate, it appears that Shep's shadow really is a mathmatical "combination" (by vector addition, ignoring magnitude [length of shadow] from the sketch) of TIM's and Anderson's shadows in the first choice and second choice instances. This would most certainly be something they purposefully programmed into this scene. The symbollic implications are compelling!

If this interests anyone, let me know if you'd like me to do a similar analysis from the actual screen shots of the shadows (not sure where to dig those up) or if you'd like screenshots of my analysis.

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This is late but it took awhile to get caught up from 6 hrs. ago. In regards to the discussion about where the 'full on' hallucination starts I have a question/suggestion. As most of you know I am not much of an analyst. I listen to other, more analytical people and decide what 'feels' right. That said, when I came to this thread IT made sense to me because of the 'white fade' after harby's beam. I had a weird feeling during the whole game and it got progressively worse, but the 'white fade' after the laser blast was the first time it hit my conscious. (oh look, pretty lights, something must be happening) I believe the IT is completely true. A puzzle presented to us by bioware. A puzzle that Bioware wants, at least some of us, to figure out. ( this ball wants to be caught )
Could the 'white fades' (and 'black fades' like after the mako crash) be used as a code key for analyzing the ending? Three dreams, each getting progressively worse, and each punctuated with a 'white fade'. (I don't remember if there are any 'black fades' associated with the dreams)
For someone like me the 'white fade' just says "HEY, pay attention" BUT, for people like so many of ya'll, who have the ability to dissect this thing on the molecular level, it could be sign post for a side by side, sequential, parallel analysis between the dreams and the ending. Look here & compare to here, THEN, look here and compare to here.
Like I said, I'm no analyst, but Contact is a very good movie and it got me thinking.


I loved Contact. Very underrated movie IMO. I think it speaks directly to the imagination. 

I've never thought about whether the screen going black during the mako crash means anything. I did think it was strange how they go from a crash to the very next instant being outside the mako conveniently at the edge of that ridge where they can then run down towards the beam. It all just seems a little too convenient, even considering the need for creative liberties. 

I cant think of any other "black screen transitions" off the top of my head though, so I'm not sure where to go with that. 

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HellishFiend wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Look man, I live in Germany. I have no idea whatsoever when comic-con is. I've only heard that Bioware will be showing something there, but I don't know when comic-con is.


You mean you arent fully familiarizing yourself with American conventions and events? The quiz is tomorrow. Get studying! ;)



Bah, I'm half-american, so I think I know the basics of it all! Also, I'm a history and culture freak, so I've studied a lot about The USA and many other countries!^_^

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BleedingUranium wrote...

I'd bet that whatever they're talking about at Comic-Con isn't the EC, but something to do with one of the two ME movies being made this year. Probably a trailer for one or both of them.



uuuuuugh..I will never...NEVER see that movie...Posted Image

Edit: I mean the live-action one by Legendary, the one that is basically a movie version of ME1.  I might see the animated one.

Modifié par Arashi08, 10 juin 2012 - 11:15 .


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BleedingUranium wrote...

I'd bet that whatever they're talking about at Comic-Con isn't the EC, but something to do with one of the two ME movies being made this year. Probably a trailer for one or both of them.


Um no offense to the movie but my consern is which person are they doing. it it the male or female Sheaprd, and will there be chocies that the audiecns can pick, and who would be Shepard's love intrest, and wil Shepard be Paragon, or Renegade?

Sorry misspelled alot.

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FFZero wrote...

estebanus wrote...

FFZero wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

masster blaster wrote...


Yes but I meani if the EC does n't explain what happens at the end then well I don't know but we will see a sneak peak at it on Tuesday.



*snip*



What's on tuesday?

BioWare is showing off something at Comic Con in San Diego.



Oh, right! Comic-con! I totally forgot that!

Well, it'll be interesting to at least see what Bioware has in store for us!:P



Umm... Comic Con isn’t until mid-ish July. We won’t be getting any new info any time soon I’d wager. Unless of course someone has tweeted something about showing stuff early or there’s another San Diego Comic Con that I don’t know about.



Look man, I live in Germany. I have no idea whatsoever when comic-con is. I've only heard that Bioware will be showing something there, but I don't know when comic-con is.


Your point? I’m in the UK and through the power of google I found out when it was.



Wasn't trying to be insulting or anything, I was just pointing out that it wasn't a high priority for me or anything!:P

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paxxton wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I'd bet that whatever they're talking about at Comic-Con isn't the EC, but something to do with one of the two ME movies being made this year. Probably a trailer for one or both of them.

If it's July (not June) then it is quite probable they'll reveal at least the release date for the EC.


wait what day does summer end exacttly, because Bioware said it comes out in the summer time, and if you think for a momunt why do they need more time to complete the Ec?

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masster blaster wrote...

paxxton wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I'd bet that whatever they're talking about at Comic-Con isn't the EC, but something to do with one of the two ME movies being made this year. Probably a trailer for one or both of them.

If it's July (not June) then it is quite probable they'll reveal at least the release date for the EC.


wait what day does summer end exacttly, because Bioware said it comes out in the summer time, and if you think for a momunt why do they need more time to complete the Ec?

It's 23rd of September in the Northern Hemisphere.

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Arashi08 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Yes I now I like the Peace thing but if the EC goes south then we need to be ready.


Ready for what? I think we're on different wavelengths here. Getting defensive or going up in arms is not going to serve any positive purpose whatsoever. And it certainly isnt the point of this thread, to be sure. 

agreed, this thread isn't about forming an IT army or getting a bunch of supporters, or at least it shouldn't be.  I don't care so much about the IT that I will be devastated if it isn't true, just as long as we get a satisfying ending.  I happen to like IT because it offers alot of interestng information about things we didn't originally expect to find in the game and it brings alot of people together who can think critically and discuss all this information out there surrounding BioWare's upcoming plans.  if trolls want to attack this thread because IT is proven wrong in the future so what?  For me it isn't about anti-IT vs Pro-IT it is about being mature and thinking about the situation instead of just getting angry about it. 

Hope is an important thing ME fans could use right now and this thread offers it with alot if contributions.

That's the way I see it anyway, sorry for rambling on.


um you do realize I got him to put a picture of Tim saying " have a little faith" which was my goal to get on this forum.

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Starbuck8 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Keep in mind that the shadows in that scene are particularly wonky compared to the rest of the game. 

A while back we spent some time going over the shadows of that entire scene. We determined that it is blatantly intentional that Anderson and TIM's shadows are locked at a certain angle opposite of each other, and do not change based on their relative position to any light source in the room. They are at a 90 degree angle from each other, or rather, opposing 45 degree angles along Shepard's path to the control panel.

I speculated that it could be analogous to a dialog wheel, since at one point in the conversation, the camera clearly highlights the angles of the shadows, and even goes so far as to hide Shepard entirely.

Posted Image

 


I think it was Megumi who did a 4 pic comparison of the shadows at important moments during the conversation. Sometimes it looked to me as if Shepard's shadow seemed like a superposition of the two other shadows.

But whatever it is, TIM's and Anderson's shadow are never from a main light source as the shadow of the console, as can be seen from the above shot.

Posted Image


Hey, okay I know the shadow thing was discussed a long time ago, but seeing it again piqued my curiosity as a math major ^_^

Not sure if this was done previously but I did a rough vector analysis of the shadows in Megumi's sketch above. If her drawing is accurate, it appears that Shep's shadow really is a mathmatical "combination" (by vector addition, ignoring magnitude [length of shadow] from the sketch) of TIM's and Anderson's shadows in the first choice and second choice instances. This would most certainly be something they purposefully programmed into this scene. The symbollic implications are compelling!

If this interests anyone, let me know if you'd like me to do a similar analysis from the actual screen shots of the shadows (not sure where to dig those up) or if you'd like screenshots of my analysis.


As I wrote, superposition. ;) You mathematicians don't call it that way?

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Dwailing wrote...

estebanus wrote...

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

SirLugash wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
Omg I'm away for the week end and when I return I see this again >.>

Btw heard of the new DLC stuff posted on reddit? Sounds exactly like AD predicted.

What DLC stuff ?

I was away this weekend so I missed stuff and got no link but from what I know it's from the same account that posted stuff about the last DLC. The DLC name is "Earth". Maps are London, Rio, and Vancouver. New weapons: Acolyte HP, Typhoon SMG, and Piranha Shotgun. The six new classes are all human N7 and called: Destroyer, Paladin, Demolisher, Slayer, Shadow, and Fury.


Considering that the last leak from this guy was accurate, I'd be inclined to believe that this is accurate. Also, even our founder, the mighty Byne, agrees that Arian is officially the finest of us.



Byne is not the only one who thinks this! Arian is the best the IT has to offer, and besides of that, he's just so nerdy that it makes him awesome!


Here here! I believe I was the one who suggested that he was our finest originally. Good to see I'm not the only one. Byne and lex0r also agreed at the time. There might have been others who agreed when I originally suggested that, but I can't remember them.


:blush:

Aww.. thanks guys. <3 you all!

LET YOUR FREAK FLAGS FLY HIGH! BE PROUD OF YOUR NERDINESS!

I sure am. I love fantasy novels, as well as write them, play RPGs Magic and Talisman on the weekends, I cheat at Munchkin, adore the Elder Scrolls, Mass Effect, Dragon Age and Total War, I fence for exercise and study obscure historical facts for a job.

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I have returned after much time spent reading all the ME comics and novels.

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HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Who cares about his beliefs?

I just want my thread back on topic.


You ostensibly care about his beliefs if you get into debates with him. 


Hence why most of my responses are one liners and requests for him to kindly get the hell out.

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GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I have returned after much time spent reading all the ME comics and novels.


Did they spark any new speculations for you?

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Andromidius wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...Temple of Elemental Evil, the buggiest Baldur's Gate clone I have ever seen


Hey, it wasn't THAT bad!

Admittedly very confusing and hard to play.  But it was okay.

Ish.

(Totally didn't buy it without looking up reviews first)


Oh it wasn't that bad, merely mediocre. And absurdly buggy.

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paxxton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

paxxton wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I'd bet that whatever they're talking about at Comic-Con isn't the EC, but something to do with one of the two ME movies being made this year. Probably a trailer for one or both of them.

If it's July (not June) then it is quite probable they'll reveal at least the release date for the EC.


wait what day does summer end exacttly, because Bioware said it comes out in the summer time, and if you think for a momunt why do they need more time to complete the Ec?

It's 23rd of September in the Northern Hemisphere.


Remember I told you that it comes out in Sept 09 but you thought and I thought it was the trailer but i meant the EC.

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GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I have returned after much time spent reading all the ME comics and novels.


and what did you discovered?

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Arian Dynas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Who cares about his beliefs?

I just want my thread back on topic.


You ostensibly care about his beliefs if you get into debates with him. 


Hence why most of my responses are one liners and requests for him to kindly get the hell out.


Well we never established whether he is actually a troll or just overly prideful regarding his opinions, but either way, just take the high road. :happy:

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Arashi08 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I'd bet that whatever they're talking about at Comic-Con isn't the EC, but something to do with one of the two ME movies being made this year. Probably a trailer for one or both of them.



uuuuuugh..I will never...NEVER see that movie...Posted Image

Edit: I mean the live-action one by Legendary, the one that is basically a movie version of ME1.  I might see the animated one.


Why? We literally don't know anything about it yet Posted Image