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[TJBartlemus]

balance5050 wrote...

Apparently Jennifer Hale has been having fun in the studio.

https://twitter.com/...792068438704128 

https://twitter.com/...851164454010880 

Okay.....maybe.....I was wrong. gasp* Im' just so glad I could say that. :happy: Maybe she does get some lines, and it is a sign from the heavens that EC won't suck!!!!!!!

[masster blaster]

HellishFiend wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...


Does anyone have anything new to add to the IT that no one has heard yet? The post about how the beam could be an indoctrination device was genius.  We need another idea like that to boost this topic. Ideas?

We have a barely-tapped gold mine of speculation and random theorizing we can enage in regarding when and to what extent the hallucination starts. Keep in mind we have evidence to support things being wrong on Cronos station, so everything is essentially fair game from that point on.

I like the idea that was suggested earlier that perhaps Shepard is laid out unconscious somewhere, probably under medical care, for the entirety of the London sequence we have now, and that the "final" conversations he has with his squadmates and important people are just interpretations of this they are saying to him while he is knocked out. Similar to what happens to your dreams if you fall asleep with the TV on. You get some weird amalgamation of what's running through your mind and what you're hearing from the outside world. 

We need an army and we need to surrond Shepard the brightest the toughst team, and we need to take what we have to Bioware before time is up for the EC release because if the EC does not bold well it" because we did nothing to prevent it from happenig.

[HellishFiend]

balance5050 wrote...

Apparently Jennifer Hale has been having fun in the studio.

https://twitter.com/...792068438704128 

https://twitter.com/...851164454010880 

I like how Hale goes out of her way to keep reminding people she is under NDA and cant give any details. It's as if she is hinting that a curve ball is coming. Not really a curve ball to us here, but to the majority of the playerbase, it will be. 

[balance5050]

HellishFiend wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...


Does anyone have anything new to add to the IT that no one has heard yet? The post about how the beam could be an indoctrination device was genius.  We need another idea like that to boost this topic. Ideas?

We have a barely-tapped gold mine of speculation and random theorizing we can enage in regarding when and to what extent the hallucination starts. Keep in mind we have evidence to support things being wrong on Cronos station, so everything is essentially fair game from that point on.

I like the idea that was suggested earlier that perhaps Shepard is laid out unconscious somewhere, probably under medical care, for the entirety of the London sequence we have now, and that the "final" conversations he has with his squadmates and important people are just interpretations of this they are saying to him while he is knocked out. Similar to what happens to your dreams if you fall asleep with the TV on. You get some weird amalgamation of what's running through your mind and what you're hearing from the outside world. 

I don't know if there's goung to be s specific time it happens, much like a real halluciantion it could be coming on in waves and the line simply blurs on what's real and what's hallucination, I think that the pure fantasy dream portion is still at the Mako crash or after, I think the final conversations you have with squaddies is real...

[HellishFiend]

TJBartlemus wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Apparently Jennifer Hale has been having fun in the studio.

https://twitter.com/...792068438704128 

https://twitter.com/...851164454010880 

Okay.....maybe.....I was wrong. gasp* Im' just so glad I could say that. :happy: Maybe she does get some lines, and it is a sign from the heavens that EC won't suck!!!!!!!

As byne said earlier, IT or no IT, any line Meer utters will also be uttered by Hale. That is probably the safest assumption we could possibly make. 

[Big G13]

Big G13 wrote...

This is late but it took awhile to get caught up from 6 hrs. ago. In regards to the discussion about where the 'full on' hallucination starts I have a question/suggestion. As most of you know I am not much of an analyst. I listen to other, more analytical people and decide what 'feels' right. That said, when I came to this thread IT made sense to me because of the 'white fade' after harby's beam. I had a weird feeling during the whole game and it got progressively worse, but the 'white fade' after the laser blast was the first time it hit my conscious. (oh look, pretty lights, something must be happening) I believe the IT is completely true. A puzzle presented to us by bioware. A puzzle that Bioware wants, at least some of us, to figure out. ( this ball wants to be caught )
Could the 'white fades' (and 'black fades' like after the mako crash) be used as a code key for analyzing the ending? Three dreams, each getting progressively worse, and each punctuated with a 'white fade'. (I don't remember if there are any 'black fades' associated with the dreams)
For someone like me the 'white fade' just says "HEY, pay attention" BUT, for people like so many of ya'll, who have the ability to dissect this thing on the molecular level, it could be a sign post for a side by side, sequential, parallel analysis between the dreams and the ending. Look here & compare to here, THEN, look here and compare to here.
Like I said, I'm no analyst, but Contact is a very good movie and it got me thinking.

I guess what I'm asking is, Is this a valid approach to analysis and would this approach help with the IDT. 
  -- Are the sound files, whispers, etc etc different in each dream?
  -- Do those differences correspond to the three levels of the ending?
  -- Etc. Etc.

[masster blaster]

HellishFiend wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Apparently Jennifer Hale has been having fun in the studio.

https://twitter.com/...792068438704128 

https://twitter.com/...851164454010880 

I like how Hale goes out of her way to keep reminding people she is under NDA and cant give any details. It's as if she is hinting that a curve ball is coming. Not really a curve ball to us here, but to the majority of the playerbase, it will be. 

Or she is going to say it sucks and don't get it . just kidding.

[TJBartlemus]

HellishFiend wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...


Does anyone have anything new to add to the IT that no one has heard yet? The post about how the beam could be an indoctrination device was genius.  We need another idea like that to boost this topic. Ideas?

We have a barely-tapped gold mine of speculation and random theorizing we can enage in regarding when and to what extent the hallucination starts. Keep in mind we have evidence to support things being wrong on Cronos station, so everything is essentially fair game from that point on.

I like the idea that was suggested earlier that perhaps Shepard is laid out unconscious somewhere, probably under medical care, for the entirety of the London sequence we have now, and that the "final" conversations he has with his squadmates and important people are just interpretations of this they are saying to him while he is knocked out. Similar to what happens to your dreams if you fall asleep with the TV on. You get some weird amalgamation of what's running through your mind and what you're hearing from the outside world. 

Okay so if he is under medical care on a stretcher, explain the breathe scene where he seems to be alone and near death. Unless it's a dream in a dream!!! INCEPTION!!!

[balance5050]

HellishFiend wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Apparently Jennifer Hale has been having fun in the studio.

https://twitter.com/...792068438704128 

https://twitter.com/...851164454010880 

I like how Hale goes out of her way to keep reminding people she is under NDA and cant give any details. It's as if she is hinting that a curve ball is coming. Not really a curve ball to us here, but to the majority of the playerbase, it will be. 

It's the easy way to stave off questions she can't answer that's for sure, it also makes it seem like she's dying to tell us something, something juicy....

Modifié par balance5050, 11 juin 2012 - 01:46 .

[HellishFiend]

TJBartlemus wrote...


Okay so if he is under medical care on a stretcher, explain the breathe scene where he seems to be alone and near death. Unless it's a dream in a dream!!! INCEPTION!!!

Good point. I'd just like to have a theory that explains the surreality and wrongness of London that also allows us to keep the bulk of what we hear from our squadmates in the "Base camp" sequence in London. It was mostly good stuff, though some of the QEC bits were weak. 

[Andromidius]

Rifneno wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Maybe.  But its such abstract art that I doubt its very popular.  Could be wrong, but it is another connection to something Shepard saw earlier on appearing in London.

Agreed.  Still, there's no predicting art.  At least for me.  Look at that painting "The Scream."  Thing sold for 120 million dollars.  If I had a kid and he brought something like that home from art class, I'd take him to the doctor to see what the hell's wrong with him.

Very true.  I'd not be able to stand having The Scream in my house.

I'm willing to admit its probably just an art reuse, and the fact it seems to be an abstract Reaper painting is just a happy coincidence that fits the mood.

Still an awesome find though, whoever noticed it.

[lex0r11]

Dwailing wrote...

[...]

Speaking of drugs, did we ever conclude exactly WHAT literalists are smoking?  It must be some mighty powerful stuff to cause their complete disregard for all our evidence.

Maybe the one they had in 21 jump street.

www.youtube.com/watch

[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

so when will the next celebration be at 714 or 1000.... or both?

Both. The more celebrations the better, I say.

Woot!  Cake for everyone!  Oh, and Krogan Crunch.  'Cause we ALL want to eat the cereal of Admiral Anderson just like Kai Leng. 

Edit: Also, a friend of mine suggested that it might be SalariOs, which I thought was brilliant, too.

Cheese! For everyone!

OK, I think I can safely conclude that the guys at Bethesda are FRAKKING NUTS.  I mean, first there's that bit in 
Fallout 3 with the naughty nightwear (I'm not making this up.), then there's THIS.  I'm not saying they're bad, just that they're NUTS.

[byne]

HellishFiend wrote...


Good point. I'd just like to have a theory that explains the surreality and wrongness of London that also allows us to keep the bulk of what we hear from our squadmates in the "Base camp" sequence in London. It was mostly good stuff, though some of the QEC bits were weak. 

One person they left off the QEC that I'd really have liked to contact was Shepard's mother. Shep knows going into this battle is pretty much the closest thing to a suicide mission there is.

I know for a fact my Shepard would much rather talk to her mom one last time than talk to Jacob.

[boeloe]

balance5050 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Apparently Jennifer Hale has been having fun in the studio.

https://twitter.com/...792068438704128 

https://twitter.com/...851164454010880 

I like how Hale goes out of her way to keep reminding people she is under NDA and cant give any details. It's as if she is hinting that a curve ball is coming. Not really a curve ball to us here, but to the majority of the playerbase, it will be. 

It's the easy way to stave off questions she can't answer that's for sure, it also makes it seem like she's dying to tell us something, something juicy....

It's also a neat way to keep people following you on twitter, hoping for the tiniest little hint.

[Andromidius]

HellishFiend wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Apparently Jennifer Hale has been having fun in the studio.

https://twitter.com/...792068438704128 

https://twitter.com/...851164454010880 

Okay.....maybe.....I was wrong. gasp* Im' just so glad I could say that. :happy: Maybe she does get some lines, and it is a sign from the heavens that EC won't suck!!!!!!!

As byne said earlier, IT or no IT, any line Meer utters will also be uttered by Hale. That is probably the safest assumption we could possibly make. 

Ignoring certain romance options.

Even though they did record some of the ones that were impossible to achieve and still put them on the disc.  Go figure.

[byne]

Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

so when will the next celebration be at 714 or 1000.... or both?

Both. The more celebrations the better, I say.

Woot!  Cake for everyone!  Oh, and Krogan Crunch.  'Cause we ALL want to eat the cereal of Admiral Anderson just like Kai Leng. 

Edit: Also, a friend of mine suggested that it might be SalariOs, which I thought was brilliant, too.

Cheese! For everyone!

OK, I think I can safely conclude that the guys at Bethesda are FRAKKING NUTS.  I mean, first there's that bit in 
Fallout 3 with the naughty nightwear (I'm not making this up.), then there's THIS.  I'm not saying they're bad, just that they're NUTS.

To be fair, the guy saying that is Sheogorath, Daedric Prince of Madness. He's supposed to be bat**** insane.

[Dwailing]

Andromidius wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Maybe.  But its such abstract art that I doubt its very popular.  Could be wrong, but it is another connection to something Shepard saw earlier on appearing in London.

Agreed.  Still, there's no predicting art.  At least for me.  Look at that painting "The Scream."  Thing sold for 120 million dollars.  If I had a kid and he brought something like that home from art class, I'd take him to the doctor to see what the hell's wrong with him.

Very true.  I'd not be able to stand having The Scream in my house.

I'm willing to admit its probably just an art reuse, and the fact it seems to be an abstract Reaper painting is just a happy coincidence that fits the mood.

Still an awesome find though, whoever noticed it.

*cough* Me *cough* *cough*

[Andromidius]

Dwailing wrote...

OK, I think I can safely conclude that the guys at Bethesda are FRAKKING NUTS.  I mean, first there's that bit in 
Fallout 3 with the naughty nightwear (I'm not making this up.), then there's THIS.  I'm not saying they're bad, just that they're NUTS.

Admittedly that was the God of Madness.  So he's bound to be odd.

But yeah, they do tend to include zanny stuff in most of their games.  Which is usually enjoyable.

Edit: *pat* @ Dwailing

Modifié par Andromidius, 11 juin 2012 - 01:55 .

[TJBartlemus]

balance5050 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...


Does anyone have anything new to add to the IT that no one has heard yet? The post about how the beam could be an indoctrination device was genius.  We need another idea like that to boost this topic. Ideas?

We have a barely-tapped gold mine of speculation and random theorizing we can enage in regarding when and to what extent the hallucination starts. Keep in mind we have evidence to support things being wrong on Cronos station, so everything is essentially fair game from that point on.

I like the idea that was suggested earlier that perhaps Shepard is laid out unconscious somewhere, probably under medical care, for the entirety of the London sequence we have now, and that the "final" conversations he has with his squadmates and important people are just interpretations of this they are saying to him while he is knocked out. Similar to what happens to your dreams if you fall asleep with the TV on. You get some weird amalgamation of what's running through your mind and what you're hearing from the outside world. 

I don't know if there's goung to be s specific time it happens, much like a real halluciantion it could be coming on in waves and the line simply blurs on what's real and what's hallucination, I think that the pure fantasy dream portion is still at the Mako crash or after, I think the final conversations you have with squaddies is real...

Well here was my idea to explain it. (posted it awhile ago) I think someone called it the Waking Nightmare theory, but it's not it's own theory but instead more of a support to the origional IT.


My idea is that the fact that the beam is an indoctrination device goes hand in
hand with the IT, and explains what I felt was an absence of a lead up to the
"indoctrination dream". As Shepard gets closer to the beam he starts experiencing
some form of indoctrination induced narcolepsy. Definition: "Narcolepsy is
a neurological disorder that affects the

control of sleep and wakefulness. People with narcolepsy experience

excessive daytime sleepiness and intermittent, uncontrollable episodes

of falling asleep during the daytime. These sudden sleep attacks may

occur during any type of activity at any time of the day." Shepard starts
having what I believe is where he is both awake but getting images from his subconscious
and not notice it. The difference between Narcolepsy and what I am describing
would be that Shepard wouldn't notice the change and be in a "limbo"
between asleep and awake. When he finally gets hit with Harby's beam it shoots
him into full blown sleep and into the "indoctrination dream".

I wrote this in relation to the similarities of the apartment in Priority Earth compared to your personal cabin. It would make sens if the beam was a giant indoctrination device cause that would mop up everyone the Reapers missed for harvesting. No one escapes!!!

[Rifneno]

Man... Shivering Isles sucked so hard. Except for Sheogorath. Listening to his crazed ravings made it all worthwhile. My favorites are the scene where he gives you a spell to summon his none-too-thrilled butler, and his response if you attack him.

[Sajuro]

Rifneno wrote...

Man... Shivering Isles sucked so hard. Except for Sheogorath. Listening to his crazed ravings made it all worthwhile. My favorites are the scene where he gives you a spell to summon his none-too-thrilled butler, and his response if you attack him.

Oblivion kind of sucked.

Modifié par Sajuro, 11 juin 2012 - 02:00 .

[Arian Dynas]

balance5050 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...


Does anyone have anything new to add to the IT that no one has heard yet? The post about how the beam could be an indoctrination device was genius.  We need another idea like that to boost this topic. Ideas?

We have a barely-tapped gold mine of speculation and random theorizing we can enage in regarding when and to what extent the hallucination starts. Keep in mind we have evidence to support things being wrong on Cronos station, so everything is essentially fair game from that point on.

I like the idea that was suggested earlier that perhaps Shepard is laid out unconscious somewhere, probably under medical care, for the entirety of the London sequence we have now, and that the "final" conversations he has with his squadmates and important people are just interpretations of this they are saying to him while he is knocked out. Similar to what happens to your dreams if you fall asleep with the TV on. You get some weird amalgamation of what's running through your mind and what you're hearing from the outside world. 

I don't know if there's goung to be s specific time it happens, much like a real halluciantion it could be coming on in waves and the line simply blurs on what's real and what's hallucination, I think that the pure fantasy dream portion is still at the Mako crash or after, I think the final conversations you have with squaddies is real...

Fine! I'll write a new script for my interpretation of how the whole thing is! Yeesh. 

[EpyonX3]

Dwailing wrote...


If I may quote Javik, "There was no final battle in my cycle."  It wouldn't surprise me at all if that's the way it was for the majority of the cycles.  Our cycle sounds like it is pretty unique compared to many of the other cycles, or at least, that's what I've gathered (Please correct me if I'm wrong.)  Also, Epyon, I have one question, why do you disagree with IT?  Give me one good reason why time and time again you deny every counter argument we present you with.  In fact, I'll save you having to think up an answer to this question.  I'll give you an even simpler one.  Do you hate Bioware?  Please, be honest when you answer.

Our cycle is different thanks to the protheans. Otherwise, there would be no Mass Effect story. The reapers would have just arrived. We were allowed about three years of extra time to prepare for them. Sadly the ones with the power to do so were pretty much in denial so other than that, the reapers proceeded as planned.

I don't hate Bioware. Why should I? They brought this game that is supposed to be much larger in scop than the last three games combined onto three platforms in 2.5 years. That's a huge accomplishment and I understand why Bioware defends their work so passionately.

Why I don't agree with IT? It has bigger consequences than just a bad ending and some angry fans. There are financial and legal implications to going with IT. Some may say it doesn't bother them but it doesn't mean it's not an issue.

It's also a theory based heavily on speculation. I believed IT was possible when I first read about it. But then I found evidence to the contrary. By then, IT had grown into a huge collection of bits of speculation. Some evidence for IT is compelling but others are just wild speculation. 

IT also runs in many flavors and have different starting points. So while I may argue a point with someone one day, I can't bring up the same points to another person the next because they have a different set of arguments about the same thing.

This is just one example: the start of the end game hallucination. So far I've read that it could have began after Shepard gets hit by the beam, Shepard passes out at the control panel, Shepard gets shaken up by the mako crash and the whole entire level was the hallucination.

The theory is full of these and I sometimes have trouble keeping up with all of them. Today I found out about a new one. That the reapers know about the crucible and use it as a trap and that it may have been used as a trap before. That's huge speculation that's easily accepted into IT without solid evidence.

I just can't believe in a theory such as this one like you guys do.

[Sajuro]

byne wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...


Good point. I'd just like to have a theory that explains the surreality and wrongness of London that also allows us to keep the bulk of what we hear from our squadmates in the "Base camp" sequence in London. It was mostly good stuff, though some of the QEC bits were weak. 

One person they left off the QEC that I'd really have liked to contact was Shepard's mother. Shep knows going into this battle is pretty much the closest thing to a suicide mission there is.

I know for a fact my Shepard would much rather talk to her mom one last time than talk to Jacob.

Yeah. but who would the earthborn shepards talk to?