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[HellishFiend]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

That's different. It's not broken lore. In that case, they gave a sci-fi plausible explanation for why they did it. Does it follow common sense? No. But it's still sci-fi plausible, and is explained well enough to make it believable. 

That isnt the case in London. Weapons dont work the way they should, with no explanation as to why. One of the weapons doesnt even have a codex entry. Reaper Destroyers dont take as much punishment before going down as they should. There is no precedent for that. To my knowledge, this is the only time in the entire trilogy that they blatantly break their own lore without trying to tweak it first so that it works and remains sci fi plausible. 

Well we can differ on the usage of 'lore breaks' [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]  Its a minor issue, even the deal with why even old guns use thermal clips now...  Its a gameplay element, and I can live with it.

But yeah, the whole Missile issue is messed up.  Even if we just assume they are Javalins, why can they kill Destroyers so easily?  If they always could, why aren't they the main armament of every starship?  

Same deal with Cains - they magically grow in strength if you point them at a Reaper?

Weak points.

When you hit the destroyer with the cannon, you hit it right in the eye, which is where you hit the rannoch destroyer. That shot left it open to many other cannon shots all around its body. So much damage all at once is probably going to take the destroyer down or at least knock it out.

The cain does the same thing. It lands in a spot not protected by reaper armor and destroys it from inside. Also, as Hellish knows, the cain is able to move toward a target after it is fired. However, I did try to replicate it in ME3 and it went straight ahead. Maybe they changed it IDK.

 

I think your points are far weaker than mine, to be quite honest.

Modifié par HellishFiend, 11 juin 2012 - 04:53 .

[Big G13]

lex0r11 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

[...]

You know, come to think of it, the burned skeleton COULD be a shout out to the whole Shepard burning thing at the end of the last dream, although I should point out that it is accurate that all the skeletons look like that, so it might be a genuine case of reused asset.

REALLY like how creativity is lighting up again in this thread.
Lighting up. Huhu. Burned skeletons. Hihi.


Okay, sorry. I have to get home already to my bed..

Oh, Lex0r11, you slay me. 
get it. Slay me. hehe, seriously, I crack me up.

[Zacatus88]

Regarding this whole Cain heavy weapon argument, I get why they did it. It was pretty cool to "nuke" a reaper. Even thought it conflicts with everything we know about how to destroy a reaper I get why they did it. Plus I know the the cain destroyed the Hades cannon that was mounted on the destroyer but did it kill the destroyer as well?

[Turbo_J]

Zacatus88 wrote...

Regarding this whole Cain heavy weapon argument, I get why they did it. It was pretty cool to "nuke" a reaper. Even thought it conflicts with everything we know about how to destroy a reaper I get why they did it. Plus I know the the cain destroyed the Hades cannon that was mounted on the destroyer but did it kill the destroyer as well?

Considering you were stuck there until evac arrived and had to deal with unlimited husks, you'd think if the destroyer was still functioning at all, it would have joined in the fight... and promptly decimated you and your squad.

[Turbo_J]

Just a note... the number of times you hear 'this is it' from so many different people in the last two hours of the game is odd. It's almost as bad as 'I should go' in ME1. It's quite ominous though. Just sayin.

Modifié par Turbo_J, 11 juin 2012 - 05:36 .

[Zacatus88]

Turbo_J wrote...

Zacatus88 wrote...

Regarding this whole Cain heavy weapon argument, I get why they did it. It was pretty cool to "nuke" a reaper. Even thought it conflicts with everything we know about how to destroy a reaper I get why they did it. Plus I know the the cain destroyed the Hades cannon that was mounted on the destroyer but did it kill the destroyer as well?

Considering you were stuck there until evac arrived and had to deal with unlimited husks, you'd think if the destroyer was still functioning at all, it would have joined in the fight... and promptly decimated you and your squad.

Like I said I get why they did it but its still really stupid and doesn't fit any kind of lore up to this point. Aslo I used the other Cain to kill the Banshee. Kind of funny that the cain can destroy a Reaper but doesnt do anything to the crumbling building Shepard is fighting on.

[Makrys]

I could be making this into much more than it is, but its just a thought. What if when the Rannoch Reaper says to Shepard, "Shepard. Harbinger speaks of you. You resist, but you will fail.", he was referring to Shepard being slowly indoctrinated?

Just a thought. You can listen to the line here.

Probably just referring to the war in general, but still, I thought it was interesting and worth a mention.

Modifié par Makrys, 11 juin 2012 - 06:03 .

[HellishFiend]

Makrys wrote...

I could be making this into much more than it is, but its just a thought. What if when the Rannoch Reaper says to Shepard, "Shepard. Harbinger speaks of you. You resist, but you will fail.", he was referring to Shepard being slowly indoctrinated?

Just a thought. You can listen to the line here.

Probably just referring to the war in general, but still, I thought it was interesting and worth a mention.

Never considered that, but I'd actually say it's pretty likely, especially given the "dialog" you had with Harbinger while encountering Object Rho.

edit: Also, I've mentioned this before, but I also think there is a chance that the conversation between that Reaper and Shepard is happening entirely in Shepard's head. If you watch the scene with that in mind, it seems to make sense, and is somewhat supported by the camera vibration that we experience. No way to be sure, though. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 11 juin 2012 - 06:11 .

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Did anybody else find the "Harbinger speaks of you"-line pretty weird? It feels so out of character. I can't imagine Reapers doing the Smalltalk. And I don't think they would give each other names.

[HellishFiend]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Did anybody else find the "Harbinger speaks of you"-line pretty weird? It feels so out of character. I can't imagine Reapers doing the Smalltalk. And I don't think they would give each other names.

In the context of IT it makes perfect sense. In face value, it really doesnt. In the face value interpretation, the Reapers dont seem to care much about Shepard at all. 

[Zacatus88]

Ok I am not sure if anyone has mentioned this and I don't want to look through 600+ pages to check.

After the Cerberus coup Ashley ask if Udina was indoctrinated and Shepard says idk or something like thats, Then Ashley says "How do we fight something that can wiggle its way into your brain" The the camera does a slow zoom in on Shepard and he says "I don't know, but we have too."
I always thought that was interesting.

[Makrys]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Did anybody else find the "Harbinger speaks of you"-line pretty weird? It feels so out of character. I can't imagine Reapers doing the Smalltalk. And I don't think they would give each other names.

Well, they do have names. Sovereign's was Nazara. I don't know about Harbinger. As to why the Reaper would refer to it (Harby) like that, I'm not sure. Probably just because it knows that the organics refer to it's master as 'Harbinger', so in order to make sense to Shepard it uses the name. Though I think the scene would have still worked fine, if it would have instead said something like, "Shepard. Our master speaks of you.", or "Our leader speaks of you.". Something to that effect would have been fine and I think most people would have immediately made the connection to Harbinger.

Modifié par Makrys, 11 juin 2012 - 06:17 .

[Iecerint]

HellishFiend wrote...

In the context of IT it makes perfect sense. In face value, it really doesnt. In the face value interpretation, the Reapers dont seem to care much about Shepard at all. 

Nah, this isn't true.  Harbinger refers to Shepard by name in ME2 and tried to obtain his body before the events of that game.  Its interest in Shepard is why it had the Collectors attack human colonies.

[Overload_C14]

Makrys wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Did anybody else find the "Harbinger speaks of you"-line pretty weird? It feels so out of character. I can't imagine Reapers doing the Smalltalk. And I don't think they would give each other names.

Well, they do have names. Sovereign's was Nazara. I don't know about Harbinger. As to why the Reaper would refer to it (Harby) like that, I'm not sure. Probably just because it knows that the organics refer to it's master as 'Harbinger', so in order to make sense to Shepard it uses the name. Though I think the scene would have still worked fine, if it would have instead said something like, "Shepard. Our master speaks of you.", or "Our leader speaks of you.". Something to that effect would have been fine and I think most people would have immediately made the connection to Harbinger.

if they say "Our master speaks of you" once you finish the game and look back people will assume it ment starbringer

[UrgentArchengel]

http://masseffect.wi...wiki/M-920_Cain
Forgot how to hyperlink on here. Anyway, here's the ME2 description of the Cain, strange that they didn't put the ME3 one?

[Turbo_J]

I'm in London right now. I did not read all the points on parts of London seeming like other places; I read about the human husk in the door and also noted the similarity on my first run, but thought nothing of it... so, anyway, after you leave the FOB, the first thing you come across is two cannibals. You take cover to the left and look around the corner to the right...

It's identical to Tuchanka when saving Victus and squad, but there you tell the squad you have surprise on your side...

Then you charge towards a destroyer identical to the one on Tuchanka towards a 'tower(ing)' beam.

There are other parts of the mission that are similar to ME2 Horizon (EDI calibrating the targeting.) and still others that resemble more of Tuchanka and Rannoch, like running towards a Reaper and dodging a Reaper beam, respectively. With all these experiences in Sheps head, it would be easy to fake this in some kind of Reaper mind meld virtual Interface.

I need to make a comparison video of the dialog too. Something Coates says about targeting is almost word for word what Gerrel says regarding hitting the Reaper on Rannoch; that they are targeting manually so can't make a precision strike.

Just some thoughts.

Modifié par Turbo_J, 11 juin 2012 - 06:31 .

[HellishFiend]

Iecerint wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

In the context of IT it makes perfect sense. In face value, it really doesnt. In the face value interpretation, the Reapers dont seem to care much about Shepard at all. 

Nah, this isn't true.  Harbinger refers to Shepard by name in ME2 and tried to obtain his body before the events of that game.  Its interest in Shepard is why it had the Collectors attack human colonies.

You're just furthering my point. Shepard is important to the Reapers for some unknown reason in ME2. In ME3, face value says they dont give a damn about him anymore. Can you explain why that is?

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Makrys wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Did anybody else find the "Harbinger speaks of you"-line pretty weird? It feels so out of character. I can't imagine Reapers doing the Smalltalk. And I don't think they would give each other names.

Well, they do have names. Sovereign's was Nazara. I don't know about Harbinger. As to why the Reaper would refer to it (Harby) like that, I'm not sure. Probably just because it knows that the organics refer to it's master as 'Harbinger', so in order to make sense to Shepard it uses the name. Though I think the scene would have still worked fine, if it would have instead said something like, "Shepard. Our master speaks of you.", or "Our leader speaks of you.". Something to that effect would have been fine and I think most people would have immediately made the connection to Harbinger.

But saying "leader" or "master" would not necesarily have been correct since we actually dont know if Harbinger is their leader or if they even have what can be called a leader. He is only guessed to be the largest and oldest, but we really dont know if he is the leader.

[Turbo_J]

HellishFiend wrote...

Iecerint wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

In the context of IT it makes perfect sense. In face value, it really doesnt. In the face value interpretation, the Reapers dont seem to care much about Shepard at all. 

Nah, this isn't true.  Harbinger refers to Shepard by name in ME2 and tried to obtain his body before the events of that game.  Its interest in Shepard is why it had the Collectors attack human colonies.

You're just furthering my point. Shepard is important to the Reapers for some unknown reason in ME2. In ME3, face value says they dont give a damn about him anymore. Can you explain why that is?

You know, we've all talked about Haringers absense, and thus seeming disinterest at lenths. That in itself is all I need to suspect something is up. Harbi does not want to be in focus. If he was, it would be much much harder to attempt the Indoctrination of Shep. He need Shep to think Reapers are dumb mooks who are controlled by a being of light or some god complex AI.

[senshi420]

Just tossing an idea out there, most likely been covered, but it bears mentioning from time to time, but doesn't the whole casey and mac wrote the ending alone behind closed doors lend itself to the IT idea as a DLC reveal at a later date?
To me it makes sense to limit the amount of people that knew the whole plan to limit leaks.
i just see people using that as a "bad writing" line of thought, and really i dont buy that thought as anything more then people raging.
i mean atm, we have VAs waving their NDAs around on twitter. a NDA implies there would  be something to disclose no?
not to mention the contents of these threads.
anyways been playing through ME2 recently and just hit illum, had a message from an old friend there. something about sour notes, and joining songs when the time comes. wonder what that could be about :innocent:

Modifié par senshi420, 11 juin 2012 - 06:38 .

[HellishFiend]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Did anybody else find the "Harbinger speaks of you"-line pretty weird? It feels so out of character. I can't imagine Reapers doing the Smalltalk. And I don't think they would give each other names.

Well, they do have names. Sovereign's was Nazara. I don't know about Harbinger. As to why the Reaper would refer to it (Harby) like that, I'm not sure. Probably just because it knows that the organics refer to it's master as 'Harbinger', so in order to make sense to Shepard it uses the name. Though I think the scene would have still worked fine, if it would have instead said something like, "Shepard. Our master speaks of you.", or "Our leader speaks of you.". Something to that effect would have been fine and I think most people would have immediately made the connection to Harbinger.

But saying "leader" or "master" would not necesarily have been correct since we actually dont know if Harbinger is their leader or if they even have what can be called a leader. He is only guessed to be the largest and oldest, but we really dont know if he is the leader.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the only things we know for certain are that he has a slightly different design compared to the Sovereign class Reapers (Larger, no center tentacle), and has a specific interest in Shepard. Aside from that, everything is speculation, even the codex entry. 

[Turbo_J]

senshi420 wrote...

just tossing an idea out there, most likely been covered, but it bears mentioning from time to time, but doesn't the whole casey and mac wrote the ending alone behind closed doors lend itself to the IT idea as a DLC reveal at a later date? to me it makes sense to limit the amount of people that knew the whole plan to limit leaks.
i just see people using that as a "bad writing" line of thought, and really i dont buy that thought as anything more then people raging.
i mean atm, we have VAs waving their NDAs around on twitter. a NDA implies there would something to disclose no?
not to mention the contents of these threads.
anyways been playing through ME2 recently and just hit illum, had a message from an old friend there. something about sour notes, and joining songs when the time comes. wonder what that could be about

He pulled a 'Lucas' Not sure if it's been put that way, but it makes sense.

[HellishFiend]

Turbo_J wrote...


You know, we've all talked about Haringers absense, and thus seeming disinterest at lenths. That in itself is all I need to suspect something is up. Harbi does not want to be in focus. If he was, it would be much much harder to attempt the Indoctrination of Shep. He need Shep to think Reapers are dumb mooks who are controlled by a being of light or some god complex AI.

My thoughts exactly. 

[UrgentArchengel]

Actually Sovereign did call himself Sovereign. Maybe Nazara is a little pet name for himself. Nazara is quite godly sounding and the Geth heretics do see them as gods. Honestly I don't know.

[Arian Dynas]

HellishFiend wrote...

Makrys wrote...

I could be making this into much more than it is, but its just a thought. What if when the Rannoch Reaper says to Shepard, "Shepard. Harbinger speaks of you. You resist, but you will fail.", he was referring to Shepard being slowly indoctrinated?

Just a thought. You can listen to the line here.

Probably just referring to the war in general, but still, I thought it was interesting and worth a mention.

Never considered that, but I'd actually say it's pretty likely, especially given the "dialog" you had with Harbinger while encountering Object Rho.

edit: Also, I've mentioned this before, but I also think there is a chance that the conversation between that Reaper and Shepard is happening entirely in Shepard's head. If you watch the scene with that in mind, it seems to make sense, and is somewhat supported by the camera vibration that we experience. No way to be sure, though. 

Wait... you mean that WASN'T obvious to you guys?