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Turbo_J wrote...

senshi420 wrote...

just tossing an idea out there, most likely been covered, but it bears mentioning from time to time, but doesn't the whole casey and mac wrote the ending alone behind closed doors lend itself to the IT idea as a DLC reveal at a later date? to me it makes sense to limit the amount of people that knew the whole plan to limit leaks.
i just see people using that as a "bad writing" line of thought, and really i dont buy that thought as anything more then people raging.
i mean atm, we have VAs waving their NDAs around on twitter. a NDA implies there would something to disclose no?
not to mention the contents of these threads.
anyways been playing through ME2 recently and just hit illum, had a message from an old friend there. something about sour notes, and joining songs when the time comes. wonder what that could be about :D


He pulled a 'Lucas' Not sure if it's been put that way, but it makes sense.



thats what i want to believe.

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HellishFiend wrote...

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Did anybody else find the "Harbinger speaks of you"-line pretty weird? It feels so out of character. I can't imagine Reapers doing the Smalltalk. And I don't think they would give each other names.


Well, they do have names. Sovereign's was Nazara. I don't know about Harbinger. As to why the Reaper would refer to it (Harby) like that, I'm not sure. Probably just because it knows that the organics refer to it's master as 'Harbinger', so in order to make sense to Shepard it uses the name. Though I think the scene would have still worked fine, if it would have instead said something like, "Shepard. Our master speaks of you.", or "Our leader speaks of you.". Something to that effect would have been fine and I think most people would have immediately made the connection to Harbinger.


But saying "leader" or "master" would not necesarily have been correct since we actually dont know if Harbinger is their leader or if they even have what can be called a leader. He is only guessed to be the largest and oldest, but we really dont know if he is the leader.


Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the only things we know for certain are that he has a slightly different design compared to the Sovereign class Reapers (Larger, no center tentacle), and has a specific interest in Shepard. Aside from that, everything is speculation, even the codex entry. 


That is why I said he is only guessed tio be the largest and oldest. We know little about Harbinger except his alternate design and certainly not if he really is their leader or not.

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UrgentArchengel wrote...

Actually Sovereign did call himself Sovereign. Maybe Nazara is a little pet name for himself. Nazara is quite godly sounding and the Geth heretics do see them as gods. Honestly I don't know.


Nazara was his true name, Sovereign was a name given to him by the Geth and by Saren.

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UrgentArchengel wrote...

Actually Sovereign did call himself Sovereign. Maybe Nazara is a little pet name for himself. Nazara is quite godly sounding and the Geth heretics do see them as gods. Honestly I don't know.


Also, Nazara means "glasses" in arabic...

and now I have to imagine a Reaper wearing glasses

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Turbo_J wrote...

senshi420 wrote...

just tossing an idea out there, most likely been covered, but it bears mentioning from time to time, but doesn't the whole casey and mac wrote the ending alone behind closed doors lend itself to the IT idea as a DLC reveal at a later date? to me it makes sense to limit the amount of people that knew the whole plan to limit leaks.
i just see people using that as a "bad writing" line of thought, and really i dont buy that thought as anything more then people raging.
i mean atm, we have VAs waving their NDAs around on twitter. a NDA implies there would something to disclose no?
not to mention the contents of these threads.
anyways been playing through ME2 recently and just hit illum, had a message from an old friend there. something about sour notes, and joining songs when the time comes. wonder what that could be about :D


He pulled a 'Lucas' Not sure if it's been put that way, but it makes sense.


The statement that Casey and Mac wrote the ending without input, behind closed doors has been repeatedly categorically denied by Bioware.

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Actually Sovereign did call himself Sovereign. Maybe Nazara is a little pet name for himself. Nazara is quite godly sounding and the Geth heretics do see them as gods. Honestly I don't know.


Also, Nazara means "glasses" in arabic...

and now I have to imagine a Reaper wearing glasses


It also means "Perfection" in Hindi.

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I could be making this into much more than it is, but its just a thought. What if when the Rannoch Reaper says to Shepard, "Shepard. Harbinger speaks of you. You resist, but you will fail.", he was referring to Shepard being slowly indoctrinated?

Just a thought. You can listen to the line here.

Probably just referring to the war in general, but still, I thought it was interesting and worth a mention.


Never considered that, but I'd actually say it's pretty likely, especially given the "dialog" you had with Harbinger while encountering Object Rho.

edit: Also, I've mentioned this before, but I also think there is a chance that the conversation between that Reaper and Shepard is happening entirely in Shepard's head. If you watch the scene with that in mind, it seems to make sense, and is somewhat supported by the camera vibration that we experience. No way to be sure, though. 


Wait... you mean that WASN'T obvious to you guys?


I've caught a lot of things, but honestly, that one slipped over my head. The connotation is quite obvious when the light of Indoctrination shines upon it, however.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

senshi420 wrote...

just tossing an idea out there, most likely been covered, but it bears mentioning from time to time, but doesn't the whole casey and mac wrote the ending alone behind closed doors lend itself to the IT idea as a DLC reveal at a later date? to me it makes sense to limit the amount of people that knew the whole plan to limit leaks.
i just see people using that as a "bad writing" line of thought, and really i dont buy that thought as anything more then people raging.
i mean atm, we have VAs waving their NDAs around on twitter. a NDA implies there would something to disclose no?
not to mention the contents of these threads.
anyways been playing through ME2 recently and just hit illum, had a message from an old friend there. something about sour notes, and joining songs when the time comes. wonder what that could be about :D


He pulled a 'Lucas' Not sure if it's been put that way, but it makes sense.


The statement that Casey and Mac wrote the ending without input, behind closed doors has been repeatedly categorically denied by Bioware.


If I remember correctly, it was part of that faked Bioware employee rant. Not sure why that tidbit from it is still floating around. 

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Actually Sovereign did call himself Sovereign. Maybe Nazara is a little pet name for himself. Nazara is quite godly sounding and the Geth heretics do see them as gods. Honestly I don't know.


Also, Nazara means "glasses" in arabic...

and now I have to imagine a Reaper wearing glasses


It also means "Perfection" in Hindi.


It may be a lose reference to Nazareth; the place, not the band. (one of my faves.)

I looked it up a while ago and that was the closesed I could get to anything that seemed slightly correct. It's the name of the programs inside Sovereign, so I'm guessing it could be the name of the race that was harvested.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

senshi420 wrote...

just tossing an idea out there, most likely been covered, but it bears mentioning from time to time, but doesn't the whole casey and mac wrote the ending alone behind closed doors lend itself to the IT idea as a DLC reveal at a later date? to me it makes sense to limit the amount of people that knew the whole plan to limit leaks.
i just see people using that as a "bad writing" line of thought, and really i dont buy that thought as anything more then people raging.
i mean atm, we have VAs waving their NDAs around on twitter. a NDA implies there would something to disclose no?
not to mention the contents of these threads.
anyways been playing through ME2 recently and just hit illum, had a message from an old friend there. something about sour notes, and joining songs when the time comes. wonder what that could be about :D


He pulled a 'Lucas' Not sure if it's been put that way, but it makes sense.


The statement that Casey and Mac wrote the ending without input, behind closed doors has been repeatedly categorically denied by Bioware.


i dont doubt that they would have had input from the entire core writing team by the end. im just kinda viewing all "this" as an ARG by this point. the script leaks, the dlc leaks, patricks' postings on penny arcade...to me its all suspect at this point.  maybe im going crazy...well crazier :devil:

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Arian Dynas wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Actually Sovereign did call himself Sovereign. Maybe Nazara is a little pet name for himself. Nazara is quite godly sounding and the Geth heretics do see them as gods. Honestly I don't know.


Nazara was his true name, Sovereign was a name given to him by the Geth and by Saren.

Legeon says that Sovereign called himeself Nazara when speaking with Geth

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senshi420 wrote...

Just tossing an idea out there, most likely been covered, but it bears mentioning from time to time, but doesn't the whole casey and mac wrote the ending alone behind closed doors lend itself to the IT idea as a DLC reveal at a later date?
To me it makes sense to limit the amount of people that knew the whole plan to limit leaks.
i just see people using that as a "bad writing" line of thought, and really i dont buy that thought as anything more then people raging.
i mean atm, we have VAs waving their NDAs around on twitter. a NDA implies there would  be something to disclose no?
not to mention the contents of these threads.
anyways been playing through ME2 recently and just hit illum, had a message from an old friend there. something about sour notes, and joining songs when the time comes. wonder what that could be about :innocent:


Okay you made me do it, here is my theory for how the Rachni could fit into the ending, once again :P

Basicly I theorize that Rachni Queen (and potentially other things) could save Shepard if she was alive and Shepard picked either Control or Synthesis and was Indoctrinated.

We know that the Rachni Queen is resitant to Indoctrination (hears vocies, but they hold no sway over her) and that the Rachni Queen is capable affecting the mind of living creatures (the asari on Ilum you mentioned). Combined with her talk of adding her voice yo yours and such things it becomes plasuible that she might interfere and add her will to Shepards allowing him to resist despite having made a wrong choice.

The consequences of this could be the death of the Rachni queen as the process of getting close enough to Shepard leaves her vulnerable adn she gets killed.

This would also fullfill Bioware´s promise of "The Rachni will play a major role in the ending."

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One thing I still don't quite understand is: how did that Script leak happen?

I mean.. either someone hacked Bioware... or an employee put it on the internet... right?

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

One thing I still don't quite understand is: how did that Script leak happen?

I mean.. either someone hacked Bioware... or an employee put it on the internet... right?


You mean the November one?  I believe that was via Xbox Live during some new beta testing.  A beta for the demo got leaked along with lots of files.

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

senshi420 wrote...

Just tossing an idea out there, most likely been covered, but it bears mentioning from time to time, but doesn't the whole casey and mac wrote the ending alone behind closed doors lend itself to the IT idea as a DLC reveal at a later date?
To me it makes sense to limit the amount of people that knew the whole plan to limit leaks.
i just see people using that as a "bad writing" line of thought, and really i dont buy that thought as anything more then people raging.
i mean atm, we have VAs waving their NDAs around on twitter. a NDA implies there would  be something to disclose no?
not to mention the contents of these threads.
anyways been playing through ME2 recently and just hit illum, had a message from an old friend there. something about sour notes, and joining songs when the time comes. wonder what that could be about :innocent:


Okay you made me do it, here is my theory for how the Rachni could fit into the ending, once again :P

Basicly I theorize that Rachni Queen (and potentially other things) could save Shepard if she was alive and Shepard picked either Control or Synthesis and was Indoctrinated.

We know that the Rachni Queen is resitant to Indoctrination (hears vocies, but they hold no sway over her) and that the Rachni Queen is capable affecting the mind of living creatures (the asari on Ilum you mentioned). Combined with her talk of adding her voice yo yours and such things it becomes plasuible that she might interfere and add her will to Shepards allowing him to resist despite having made a wrong choice.

The consequences of this could be the death of the Rachni queen as the process of getting close enough to Shepard leaves her vulnerable adn she gets killed.

This would also fullfill Bioware´s promise of "The Rachni will play a major role in the ending."


I like that. I really do want Shiala to be part of that equasion if it ends up being the C and S Sheps saving grace... maybe even for Destroy. Sheps mind is going to be a mess no matter the choice. Indoctrination rewrites nural pathways. It's permanent. Even partial Indoctrination. Just ask Rana Thanoptis.

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

One thing I still don't quite understand is: how did that Script leak happen?

I mean.. either someone hacked Bioware... or an employee put it on the internet... right?


Space Magic :wizard:

Sorry, I couldnt resist that one ^_^

But I think it was files that were not supposed to be there in the X-box ME3 demo or something like that? Not sure. 

Either way I dont think that "leak" was unintentional. "Leaks" happen all the time, but often they seem to happen just before the game or something gets announced anyway and are simply a way to start building hype before the official announcement. It is especially curious that some companies seem to leak more than others (when was the last time you heard of a leak from Nintendo/Valve?) which indicates it is intentional most of the time.

So I think this leak was our Red Herring.

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Turbo_J wrote...

I'm in London right now. I did not read all the points on parts of London seeming like other places; I read about the human husk in the door and also noted the similarity on my first run, but thought nothing of it... so, anyway, after you leave the FOB, the first thing you come across is two cannibals. You take cover to the left and look around the corner to the right...

It's identical to Tuchanka when saving Victus and squad, but there you tell the squad you have surprise on your side...

Then you charge towards a destroyer identical to the one on Tuchanka towards a 'tower(ing)' beam.

There are other parts of the mission that are similar to ME2 Horizon (EDI calibrating the targeting.) and still others that resemble more of Tuchanka and Rannoch, like running towards a Reaper and dodging a Reaper beam, respectively. With all these experiences in Sheps head, it would be easy to fake this in some kind of Reaper mind meld virtual Interface.

I need to make a comparison video of the dialog too. Something Coates says about targeting is almost word for word what Gerrel says regarding hitting the Reaper on Rannoch; that they are targeting manually so can't make a precision strike.

Just some thoughts.


So nobody has any comment on this or was it all already covered? It's a page back already.

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Turbo_J wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

senshi420 wrote...

Just tossing an idea out there, most likely been covered, but it bears mentioning from time to time, but doesn't the whole casey and mac wrote the ending alone behind closed doors lend itself to the IT idea as a DLC reveal at a later date?
To me it makes sense to limit the amount of people that knew the whole plan to limit leaks.
i just see people using that as a "bad writing" line of thought, and really i dont buy that thought as anything more then people raging.
i mean atm, we have VAs waving their NDAs around on twitter. a NDA implies there would  be something to disclose no?
not to mention the contents of these threads.
anyways been playing through ME2 recently and just hit illum, had a message from an old friend there. something about sour notes, and joining songs when the time comes. wonder what that could be about :innocent:


Okay you made me do it, here is my theory for how the Rachni could fit into the ending, once again :P

Basicly I theorize that Rachni Queen (and potentially other things) could save Shepard if she was alive and Shepard picked either Control or Synthesis and was Indoctrinated.

We know that the Rachni Queen is resitant to Indoctrination (hears vocies, but they hold no sway over her) and that the Rachni Queen is capable affecting the mind of living creatures (the asari on Ilum you mentioned). Combined with her talk of adding her voice yo yours and such things it becomes plasuible that she might interfere and add her will to Shepards allowing him to resist despite having made a wrong choice.

The consequences of this could be the death of the Rachni queen as the process of getting close enough to Shepard leaves her vulnerable adn she gets killed.

This would also fullfill Bioware´s promise of "The Rachni will play a major role in the ending."


I like that. I really do want Shiala to be part of that equasion if it ends up being the C and S Sheps saving grace... maybe even for Destroy. Sheps mind is going to be a mess no matter the choice. Indoctrination rewrites nural pathways. It's permanent. Even partial Indoctrination. Just ask Rana Thanoptis.


you know when i ran into her in ME2 i fully intended on killing her, knowing what happens to her...and yet...i could not discover a way to do it...i tried all the renegade options and no luck :(

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Bioware employee: Whooops I just attached the entire game script to this demo beta by accident

I mean, really? Don't believe that either

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Bioware employee: Whooops I just attached the entire game script to this demo beta by accident

I mean, really? Don't believe that either


i find this hard to swallow as well.

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senshi420 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

senshi420 wrote...

Just tossing an idea out there, most likely been covered, but it bears mentioning from time to time, but doesn't the whole casey and mac wrote the ending alone behind closed doors lend itself to the IT idea as a DLC reveal at a later date?
To me it makes sense to limit the amount of people that knew the whole plan to limit leaks.
i just see people using that as a "bad writing" line of thought, and really i dont buy that thought as anything more then people raging.
i mean atm, we have VAs waving their NDAs around on twitter. a NDA implies there would  be something to disclose no?
not to mention the contents of these threads.
anyways been playing through ME2 recently and just hit illum, had a message from an old friend there. something about sour notes, and joining songs when the time comes. wonder what that could be about :innocent:


Okay you made me do it, here is my theory for how the Rachni could fit into the ending, once again :P

Basicly I theorize that Rachni Queen (and potentially other things) could save Shepard if she was alive and Shepard picked either Control or Synthesis and was Indoctrinated.

We know that the Rachni Queen is resitant to Indoctrination (hears vocies, but they hold no sway over her) and that the Rachni Queen is capable affecting the mind of living creatures (the asari on Ilum you mentioned). Combined with her talk of adding her voice yo yours and such things it becomes plasuible that she might interfere and add her will to Shepards allowing him to resist despite having made a wrong choice.

The consequences of this could be the death of the Rachni queen as the process of getting close enough to Shepard leaves her vulnerable adn she gets killed.

This would also fullfill Bioware´s promise of "The Rachni will play a major role in the ending."


I like that. I really do want Shiala to be part of that equasion if it ends up being the C and S Sheps saving grace... maybe even for Destroy. Sheps mind is going to be a mess no matter the choice. Indoctrination rewrites nural pathways. It's permanent. Even partial Indoctrination. Just ask Rana Thanoptis.


you know when i ran into her in ME2 i fully intended on killing her, knowing what happens to her...and yet...i could not discover a way to do it...i tried all the renegade options and no luck :(


Nope - we get locked into getting 'bit in the ass' on that one. I was hoping to do the same thing at first. Letting the Salarian go was probably a bad idea to, given what happened at the research lab on Sur'kesh. Don't know if it was him, but... Sur'Kesh aleays has to happen, and I'm sure not everyone lets that Salarian in ME1 go.

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Turbo_J wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

senshi420 wrote...

Just tossing an idea out there, most likely been covered, but it bears mentioning from time to time, but doesn't the whole casey and mac wrote the ending alone behind closed doors lend itself to the IT idea as a DLC reveal at a later date?
To me it makes sense to limit the amount of people that knew the whole plan to limit leaks.
i just see people using that as a "bad writing" line of thought, and really i dont buy that thought as anything more then people raging.
i mean atm, we have VAs waving their NDAs around on twitter. a NDA implies there would  be something to disclose no?
not to mention the contents of these threads.
anyways been playing through ME2 recently and just hit illum, had a message from an old friend there. something about sour notes, and joining songs when the time comes. wonder what that could be about :innocent:


Okay you made me do it, here is my theory for how the Rachni could fit into the ending, once again :P

Basicly I theorize that Rachni Queen (and potentially other things) could save Shepard if she was alive and Shepard picked either Control or Synthesis and was Indoctrinated.

We know that the Rachni Queen is resitant to Indoctrination (hears vocies, but they hold no sway over her) and that the Rachni Queen is capable affecting the mind of living creatures (the asari on Ilum you mentioned). Combined with her talk of adding her voice yo yours and such things it becomes plasuible that she might interfere and add her will to Shepards allowing him to resist despite having made a wrong choice.

The consequences of this could be the death of the Rachni queen as the process of getting close enough to Shepard leaves her vulnerable adn she gets killed.

This would also fullfill Bioware´s promise of "The Rachni will play a major role in the ending."


I like that. I really do want Shiala to be part of that equasion if it ends up being the C and S Sheps saving grace... maybe even for Destroy. Sheps mind is going to be a mess no matter the choice. Indoctrination rewrites nural pathways. It's permanent. Even partial Indoctrination. Just ask Rana Thanoptis.


The permanent damage seem to only happen after prolonged exposure as the neural pathways start to decay. After all we saw Saren break free despite beeing deeply Indoctrianted showing his neural pathways had not been rewritten, at least not completely and as Shepard according to the theory is still only at the breaking point between free willed and Reaper servant it is feasible he could get out of it without to much permanent damage.

But that is just my opinion.

However you mentioned Shiala and that ties into sub part of my Rachni idea. Basicly I imagine that varuis objects and persons throughout the Mass Effect series might give Shepard a varying chance to break free in case of Control/Synthesis.

Objects like Eve´s Stone, Javik´s Memory Shard, your love interest or Shiala as you mentioned might each have varuis effects in mkaing Shepard snap out of it.

Off course ot methods are equal and something like Eve´s stone might only work if you have high EMS (high will) and only for making Shepard snap out of it long enough to take his own life, while something like the Rachni Queen due to power of it and the diffculty of getting it (all three games played, Rachni queen saved in two of them) might work on any EMS except extreme low and only have the drawback of the Rachni Queen dying.

It is only an idea, but it is way for players who choose Control/Synthesis to still have chance at a good ending.

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Nope - we get locked into getting 'bit in the ass' on that one. I was hoping to do the same thing at first. Letting the Salarian go was probably a bad idea to, given what happened at the research lab on Sur'kesh. Don't know if it was him, but... Sur'Kesh aleays has to happen, and I'm sure not everyone lets that Salarian in ME1 go.

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If you let that salarian out on Virmire doesn't he just attack you? You have to kill him anyways.

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

senshi420 wrote...

Just tossing an idea out there, most likely been covered, but it bears mentioning from time to time, but doesn't the whole casey and mac wrote the ending alone behind closed doors lend itself to the IT idea as a DLC reveal at a later date?
To me it makes sense to limit the amount of people that knew the whole plan to limit leaks.
i just see people using that as a "bad writing" line of thought, and really i dont buy that thought as anything more then people raging.
i mean atm, we have VAs waving their NDAs around on twitter. a NDA implies there would  be something to disclose no?
not to mention the contents of these threads.
anyways been playing through ME2 recently and just hit illum, had a message from an old friend there. something about sour notes, and joining songs when the time comes. wonder what that could be about :innocent:


Okay you made me do it, here is my theory for how the Rachni could fit into the ending, once again :P

Basicly I theorize that Rachni Queen (and potentially other things) could save Shepard if she was alive and Shepard picked either Control or Synthesis and was Indoctrinated.

We know that the Rachni Queen is resitant to Indoctrination (hears vocies, but they hold no sway over her) and that the Rachni Queen is capable affecting the mind of living creatures (the asari on Ilum you mentioned). Combined with her talk of adding her voice yo yours and such things it becomes plasuible that she might interfere and add her will to Shepards allowing him to resist despite having made a wrong choice.

The consequences of this could be the death of the Rachni queen as the process of getting close enough to Shepard leaves her vulnerable adn she gets killed.

This would also fullfill Bioware´s promise of "The Rachni will play a major role in the ending."


I like that. I really do want Shiala to be part of that equasion if it ends up being the C and S Sheps saving grace... maybe even for Destroy. Sheps mind is going to be a mess no matter the choice. Indoctrination rewrites nural pathways. It's permanent. Even partial Indoctrination. Just ask Rana Thanoptis.


The permanent damage seem to only happen after prolonged exposure as the neural pathways start to decay. After all we saw Saren break free despite beeing deeply Indoctrianted showing his neural pathways had not been rewritten, at least not completely and as Shepard according to the theory is still only at the breaking point between free willed and Reaper servant it is feasible he could get out of it without to much permanent damage.

But that is just my opinion.

However you mentioned Shiala and that ties into sub part of my Rachni idea. Basicly I imagine that varuis objects and persons throughout the Mass Effect series might give Shepard a varying chance to break free in case of Control/Synthesis.

Objects like Eve´s Stone, Javik´s Memory Shard, your love interest or Shiala as you mentioned might each have varuis effects in mkaing Shepard snap out of it.

Off course ot methods are equal and something like Eve´s stone might only work if you have high EMS (high will) and only for making Shepard snap out of it long enough to take his own life, while something like the Rachni Queen due to power of it and the diffculty of getting it (all three games played, Rachni queen saved in two of them) might work on any EMS except extreme low and only have the drawback of the Rachni Queen dying.

It is only an idea, but it is way for players who choose Control/Synthesis to still have chance at a good ending.

WHAT IF Eve's Stone is THE CATALYST!

btw im just joking but hey, anything is possible

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

senshi420 wrote...

Just tossing an idea out there, most likely been covered, but it bears mentioning from time to time, but doesn't the whole casey and mac wrote the ending alone behind closed doors lend itself to the IT idea as a DLC reveal at a later date?
To me it makes sense to limit the amount of people that knew the whole plan to limit leaks.
i just see people using that as a "bad writing" line of thought, and really i dont buy that thought as anything more then people raging.
i mean atm, we have VAs waving their NDAs around on twitter. a NDA implies there would  be something to disclose no?
not to mention the contents of these threads.
anyways been playing through ME2 recently and just hit illum, had a message from an old friend there. something about sour notes, and joining songs when the time comes. wonder what that could be about :innocent:


Okay you made me do it, here is my theory for how the Rachni could fit into the ending, once again :P

Basicly I theorize that Rachni Queen (and potentially other things) could save Shepard if she was alive and Shepard picked either Control or Synthesis and was Indoctrinated.

We know that the Rachni Queen is resitant to Indoctrination (hears vocies, but they hold no sway over her) and that the Rachni Queen is capable affecting the mind of living creatures (the asari on Ilum you mentioned). Combined with her talk of adding her voice yo yours and such things it becomes plasuible that she might interfere and add her will to Shepards allowing him to resist despite having made a wrong choice.

The consequences of this could be the death of the Rachni queen as the process of getting close enough to Shepard leaves her vulnerable adn she gets killed.

This would also fullfill Bioware´s promise of "The Rachni will play a major role in the ending."


I like that. I really do want Shiala to be part of that equasion if it ends up being the C and S Sheps saving grace... maybe even for Destroy. Sheps mind is going to be a mess no matter the choice. Indoctrination rewrites nural pathways. It's permanent. Even partial Indoctrination. Just ask Rana Thanoptis.


The permanent damage seem to only happen after prolonged exposure as the neural pathways start to decay. After all we saw Saren break free despite beeing deeply Indoctrianted showing his neural pathways had not been rewritten, at least not completely and as Shepard according to the theory is still only at the breaking point between free willed and Reaper servant it is feasible he could get out of it without to much permanent damage.

But that is just my opinion.

However you mentioned Shiala and that ties into sub part of my Rachni idea. Basicly I imagine that varuis objects and persons throughout the Mass Effect series might give Shepard a varying chance to break free in case of Control/Synthesis.

Objects like Eve´s Stone, Javik´s Memory Shard, your love interest or Shiala as you mentioned might each have varuis effects in mkaing Shepard snap out of it.

Off course ot methods are equal and something like Eve´s stone might only work if you have high EMS (high will) and only for making Shepard snap out of it long enough to take his own life, while something like the Rachni Queen due to power of it and the diffculty of getting it (all three games played, Rachni queen saved in two of them) might work on any EMS except extreme low and only have the drawback of the Rachni Queen dying.

It is only an idea, but it is way for players who choose Control/Synthesis to still have chance at a good ending.


I mentioned a lot of this before about 100 pages back. It got burried. Just like the post I made two pages back and requoted. Happens often it seems. Although I think Hellish or someone else did comment on the memory shard idea. My comment was more along the lines of 'we are or say the ME4 protagonist is, watching everything going on from ME1 to ME3 through the shard and it will be up to them to fianlly defeat the reapers... it was more a joke than any serious consideration. Bakara's crystal, however... I'd like to see Shep holding that in his/her hand in the aftermath/wakeup scene. That would be a nice touch.