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[DJBare]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Not necesarily. If it as i theorize it might do, turns the Citadel into the Mass Accelerator cannon by reconfiguring the Citadel relay then it is feasible it would b impossible to know before you connect it.

I've seen this stated before, but what good is a single mass accelerator cannon?, even if it could target and take out a single reaper in one shot there are 100s of thousands of reapers, even if you get lucky and line up 3 for a hit, it's going to take a real long time to destroy 100s of 1000s, lets assume for a moment that it has a recharge time of a splittering 1 second, by the time you've taken out a couple reapers the others are already targeting the citadel/crucible, so unless a way has been found to ask the reapers to kindly sit still while we take pot shots at them with our newly built cannon, it's gonna be kind of a problem.

[HellishFiend]

ivenoidea wrote...

5km PER SECOND? Do you realize that the force of it launching would smash shepard to pieces?

Using real world physics without the benefit of mass effect technology, yes. This, however, is a science fiction game. Granted it takes it's lore very seriously and follows it to the letter 95% of the time, but still science fiction. 

[ivenoidea]

Guys, i was just reading on the datapad app and it sais this about Object Rho:

(after talking about it having an energy core similar to relays) "Like thos creations, it activates in response to threat, at which point it consumes a phenomenal amount of power. Dr. Kenson's team believes the object draws this power DIRECTLY FROM DARK MATTER, though how is still unknown.

[HellishFiend]

DJBare wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Not necesarily. If it as i theorize it might do, turns the Citadel into the Mass Accelerator cannon by reconfiguring the Citadel relay then it is feasible it would b impossible to know before you connect it.

I've seen this stated before, but what good is a single mass accelerator cannon?, even if it could target and take out a single reaper in one shot there are 100s of thousands of reapers, even if you get lucky and line up 3 for a hit, it's going to take a real long time to destroy 100s of 1000s, lets assume for a moment that it has a recharge time of a splittering 1 second, by the time you've taken out a couple reapers the others are already targeting the citadel/crucible, so unless a way has been found to ask the reapers to kindly sit still while we take pot shots at them with our newly built cannon, it's gonna be kind of a problem.

I feel you dont even have to go past the logic of "Reapers wouldnt allow it to go unnoticed and fail to destroy it" in order to write it off, but yeah, if you explore how it would actually work, theres another good counter point right there. 

[masster blaster]

So what"s the topic for today's group discussion?

[HellishFiend]

ivenoidea wrote...

Guys, i was just reading on the datapad app and it sais this about Object Rho:

(after talking about it having an energy core similar to relays) "Like thos creations, it activates in response to threat, at which point it consumes a phenomenal amount of power. Dr. Kenson's team believes the object draws this power DIRECTLY FROM DARK MATTER, though how is still unknown.

Dark Matter or Dark Energy? Two totally different things. 

[MaximizedAction]

ivenoidea wrote...

Guys, i was just reading on the datapad app and it sais this about Object Rho:

(after talking about it having an energy core similar to relays) "Like thos creations, it activates in response to threat, at which point it consumes a phenomenal amount of power. Dr. Kenson's team believes the object draws this power DIRECTLY FROM DARK MATTER, though how is still unknown.

If this info dates back to ME2 then the dark energy plot was supposedly still accurate -- though thanks to this thread I should know better, but there's no other good way to explain Haestrom star's behaviour any other way.

But yeah, as Hellish pointed out, it says Dark Matter. So from when is this information?

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 11 juin 2012 - 07:08 .

[masster blaster]

MaximizedAction wrote...

ivenoidea wrote...

Guys, i was just reading on the datapad app and it sais this about Object Rho:

(after talking about it having an energy core similar to relays) "Like thos creations, it activates in response to threat, at which point it consumes a phenomenal amount of power. Dr. Kenson's team believes the object draws this power DIRECTLY FROM DARK MATTER, though how is still unknown.

If this info dates back to ME2 then the dark energy plot was supposedly still accurate -- though thanks to this thread I should know better, but there's no other good way to explain Haestrom star's behaviour any other way.

Well it was the first plan Bioware had but got scraped do to leaks and other stuff.

[estebanus]

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

LOL. You'll never believe what just happened. I posted to a wrong thread thinking it was this one.

Yup, I was there!

Hey, I saw you.

Damn! I need a better cardboard box to hide in!

*Sneaks down to the cellar and gets a cardboard box*

Ha! who can see me now?!

Take example from Snake! I can still see you and you won't hide in that thread cause it's just been locked down.

Damn it!

*hides in cardboard box and sneaks slowly over to the "recent DLC leak scares me" thread.

Heh heh heeh... No one will find me here!

[estebanus]

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Take example from Snake! I can still see you and you won't hide in that thread cause it's just been locked down.

Way to go guys... now we're gonna be accused of launching thread invasions... 

What? I wasn't "invading" anything.

[DJBare]

HellishFiend wrote...

I feel you dont even have to go past the logic of "Reapers wouldnt allow it to go unnoticed and fail to destroy it" in order to write it off, but yeah, if you explore how it would actually work, theres another good counter point right there. 

I'll be honest, I'm biased, just like the reaper off button, I find the idea of it being a weapon of mass destruction way too cliche, I'm going to stick with my theory that harby is the lynch pin, Shepard and squad will need to go after him, I'm pretty much convinced harby is the controller keeping all other reapers in line.

[HellishFiend]

MaximizedAction wrote...

ivenoidea wrote...

Guys, i was just reading on the datapad app and it sais this about Object Rho:

(after talking about it having an energy core similar to relays) "Like thos creations, it activates in response to threat, at which point it consumes a phenomenal amount of power. Dr. Kenson's team believes the object draws this power DIRECTLY FROM DARK MATTER, though how is still unknown.

If this info dates back to ME2 then the dark energy plot was supposedly still accurate -- though thanks to this thread I should know better, but there's no other good way to explain Haestrom star's behaviour any other way.

Consider this for a moment (profound thought incoming):

What is the major problem behind the Starbingers current logic? I would say it is because he (The Reapers) seem to be the threat he is implying they are attempting to prevent. Theyre a race of hybrid Synthetics that, for all intents and purposes, are destroying all organics (after letting them "grow" for a short time. big whoop). 

Now compare that to the supposed "Dark Energy" ending. The Reapers are trying to figure out how to stop the spread of Dark Energy to prevent some kind of catastrophe, however their entire "civilization" is built around using massive amounts of Dark Energy, once again implying they are the very threat to which they are attempting to find a solution. 

Same thing, if you ask me. 

[masster blaster]

estebanus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Take example from Snake! I can still see you and you won't hide in that thread cause it's just been locked down.

Way to go guys... now we're gonna be accused of launching thread invasions... 

What? I wasn't "invading" anything.

So you finaly agreed to what I said about yesturday all along.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

balance5050 wrote...

Flipped and agreed, giant super weapon is extremely silly but at least plausible. Reaper trap makes the most sense to me as well...

I agree that it is probably a Reaper trap, but i also beleive most of the plans are completely legit. Remember a lie is much more convincing if it has a grain of truth.

This is gonna be a repeat of theories others have stated, but gotta break this down again.

I think the Crucible plans is based upon a real super weapon developed at some time in a cycle and the Reapers took the plans and removed a key component, the catalyst. Now the plans seem legit, but lack that crucial element. Then the Reapers simply let the next cycle find it and waste resources building it.

Finally if necesary the Reaper let slip that the Citadel or something else is the Catalyst (possibly without it beeing it) and they now have the perfect trap for destroying the last ounces of resistance simply by waiting for it to come to them.

My guess is we are gonna need to very fast figure out the real catalyst or repurpose the Crucible in some way, remember it can still generate unquantifiable levels of energy and taht energy might be put to use in a different way.

A feasible way is to turn Mass Relay into a giant Mass Accelerator cannon. We allready have the the power and the ability to fling objects, we just need to break the relays link with another relay and make it able to fire the objects in a more standard way.

Another possibility could be to use the vast enegry stored in the Crucible to overload the Citadel relay. Remember what happened when standard Relay exploded? Well i think we can multiply that a bit for the Citadel relay...but such a thing would probably be a bad, but still victory ending as the united fleet and earth woudl be wiped out as well.

[HellishFiend]

estebanus wrote...

What? I wasn't "invading" anything.

Dont worry, I was kidding.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

DJBare wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

I feel you dont even have to go past the logic of "Reapers wouldnt allow it to go unnoticed and fail to destroy it" in order to write it off, but yeah, if you explore how it would actually work, theres another good counter point right there. 

I'll be honest, I'm biased, just like the reaper off button, I find the idea of it being a weapon of mass destruction way too cliche, I'm going to stick with my theory that harby is the lynch pin, Shepard and squad will need to go after him, I'm pretty much convinced harby is the controller keeping all other reapers in line.

How is that different than a Reaper off button?

[masster blaster]

It's funny we could have alluded Thane, Legion, Mordin, and the Normandy SR-1/crew members from dying,if we just meet the god child in ME1. am I right.

[estebanus]

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Take example from Snake! I can still see you and you won't hide in that thread cause it's just been locked down.

Way to go guys... now we're gonna be accused of launching thread invasions... 

What? I wasn't "invading" anything.

So you finaly agreed to what I said about yesturday all along.

What? when did I do that?!

WHY IS EVERYONE ACCUSING ME?!

YOU ARE TEARING ME APART, INDOCTRINATIONISTS!!!

[estebanus]

HellishFiend wrote...

estebanus wrote...

What? I wasn't "invading" anything.

Dont worry, I was kidding.

Oh, well then...

*hides in cardboard box again*

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

DJBare wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Not necesarily. If it as i theorize it might do, turns the Citadel into the Mass Accelerator cannon by reconfiguring the Citadel relay then it is feasible it would b impossible to know before you connect it.

I've seen this stated before, but what good is a single mass accelerator cannon?, even if it could target and take out a single reaper in one shot there are 100s of thousands of reapers, even if you get lucky and line up 3 for a hit, it's going to take a real long time to destroy 100s of 1000s, lets assume for a moment that it has a recharge time of a splittering 1 second, by the time you've taken out a couple reapers the others are already targeting the citadel/crucible, so unless a way has been found to ask the reapers to kindly sit still while we take pot shots at them with our newly built cannon, it's gonna be kind of a problem.

There are not 100s of thousands of Sovereign class Reapers. A quick count of the forces at Earth based on the vid of the Space battle gave me a rough estimate of around 100-150 Sovereign class Reapers. A fleet taht will without doubt wipe out the united fleet, but if we had a mass acclerator cannon capable of destroying them in one shot the odds could be quickly evened.

Even more since the mass accelerator is improvised it would not use standard ammunition. It would have to grab whatever is nearby kinda like a Relay connects to the ship passing through, so feasibly it could grab other Reapers to use as ammonution.

[byne]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Another possibility could be to use the vast enegry stored in the Crucible to overload the Citadel relay. Remember what happened when standard Relay exploded? Well i think we can multiply that a bit for the Citadel relay...but such a thing would probably be a bad, but still victory ending as the united fleet and earth woudl be wiped out as well.

Ooh, that'd fit with my idea of how to defeat the Reapers, but adds a better way to blow up a relay.

Original plan:

>tow an asteroid towards the Sol Relay
>have small volunteer force stay behind to delay the Reapers
>rest of the fleet retreats through the Sol Relay
>blow up the relay, destroying the Reapers but sacrificing the Sol System
>'Victory through sacrifice,' just like they said the theme of ME3 would be

Having the Crucible just destroy the Citadel Relay makes more sense than distracting the Reapers while we tow an asteroid to the Sol Relay.

[DJBare]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

I feel you dont even have to go past the logic of "Reapers wouldnt allow it to go unnoticed and fail to destroy it" in order to write it off, but yeah, if you explore how it would actually work, theres another good counter point right there. 

I'll be honest, I'm biased, just like the reaper off button, I find the idea of it being a weapon of mass destruction way too cliche, I'm going to stick with my theory that harby is the lynch pin, Shepard and squad will need to go after him, I'm pretty much convinced harby is the controller keeping all other reapers in line.

How is that different than a Reaper off button?

It's not, that's my point, the reaper off button is as much cliche as a weapon of mass destruction is, my theory will stand that it's a mass indoctrination device, at least that's what I hope, and Shepard will have to destroy it, I could not think of a more happy ending that blowing that thing to kingdom come

[masster blaster]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Flipped and agreed, giant super weapon is extremely silly but at least plausible. Reaper trap makes the most sense to me as well...

I agree that it is probably a Reaper trap, but i also beleive most of the plans are completely legit. Remember a lie is much more convincing if it has a grain of truth.

This is gonna be a repeat of theories others have stated, but gotta break this down again.

I think the Crucible plans is based upon a real super weapon developed at some time in a cycle and the Reapers took the plans and removed a key component, the catalyst. Now the plans seem legit, but lack that crucial element. Then the Reapers simply let the next cycle find it and waste resources building it.

Finally if necesary the Reaper let slip that the Citadel or something else is the Catalyst (possibly without it beeing it) and they now have the perfect trap for destroying the last ounces of resistance simply by waiting for it to come to them.

My guess is we are gonna need to very fast figure out the real catalyst or repurpose the Crucible in some way, remember it can still generate unquantifiable levels of energy and taht energy might be put to use in a different way.

A feasible way is to turn Mass Relay into a giant Mass Accelerator cannon. We allready have the the power and the ability to fling objects, we just need to break the relays link with another relay and make it able to fire the objects in a more standard way.

Another possibility could be to use the vast enegry stored in the Crucible to overload the Citadel relay. Remember what happened when standard Relay exploded? Well i think we can multiply that a bit for the Citadel relay...but such a thing would probably be a bad, but still victory ending as the united fleet and earth woudl be wiped out as well.

Hum I think a giggantic Conduit right in the middle of London that is said to teleport you to the Citadle, and was built by the Reapers  kind of gives it away.

[MaximizedAction]

HellishFiend wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

ivenoidea wrote...

Guys, i was just reading on the datapad app and it sais this about Object Rho:

(after talking about it having an energy core similar to relays) "Like thos creations, it activates in response to threat, at which point it consumes a phenomenal amount of power. Dr. Kenson's team believes the object draws this power DIRECTLY FROM DARK MATTER, though how is still unknown.

If this info dates back to ME2 then the dark energy plot was supposedly still accurate -- though thanks to this thread I should know better, but there's no other good way to explain Haestrom star's behaviour any other way.

Consider this for a moment (profound thought incoming):

What is the major problem behind the Starbingers current logic? I would say it is because he (The Reapers) seem to be the threat he is implying they are attempting to prevent. Theyre a race of hybrid Synthetics that, for all intents and purposes, are destroying all organics (after letting them "grow" for a short time. big whoop). 

Now compare that to the supposed "Dark Energy" ending. The Reapers are trying to figure out how to stop the spread of Dark Energy to prevent some kind of catastrophe, however their entire "civilization" is built around using massive amounts of Dark Energy, once again implying they are the very threat to which they are attempting to find a solution. 

Same thing, if you ask me. 

Legit logic. Again, circular logic, no matter how you bend it. Reaper technology being in the galaxy helping organics spread prevents any kind of good intention.

[HellishFiend]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Not necesarily. If it as i theorize it might do, turns the Citadel into the Mass Accelerator cannon by reconfiguring the Citadel relay then it is feasible it would b impossible to know before you connect it.

I've seen this stated before, but what good is a single mass accelerator cannon?, even if it could target and take out a single reaper in one shot there are 100s of thousands of reapers, even if you get lucky and line up 3 for a hit, it's going to take a real long time to destroy 100s of 1000s, lets assume for a moment that it has a recharge time of a splittering 1 second, by the time you've taken out a couple reapers the others are already targeting the citadel/crucible, so unless a way has been found to ask the reapers to kindly sit still while we take pot shots at them with our newly built cannon, it's gonna be kind of a problem.

There are not 100s of thousands of Sovereign class Reapers. A quick count of the forces at Earth based on the vid of the Space battle gave me a rough estimate of around 100-150 Sovereign class Reapers. A fleet taht will without doubt wipe out the united fleet, but if we had a mass acclerator cannon capable of destroying them in one shot the odds could be quickly evened.

Even more since the mass accelerator is improvised it would not use standard ammunition. It would have to grab whatever is nearby kinda like a Relay connects to the ship passing through, so feasibly it could grab other Reapers to use as ammonution.

I'm curious, how would you address the plot hole of how the Reapers fail to discover the Crucible and destroy it, if it really poses a threat to them?