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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Not necesarily. If it as i theorize it might do, turns the Citadel into the Mass Accelerator cannon by reconfiguring the Citadel relay then it is feasible it would b impossible to know before you connect it.

I've seen this stated before, but what good is a single mass accelerator cannon?, even if it could target and take out a single reaper in one shot there are 100s of thousands of reapers, even if you get lucky and line up 3 for a hit, it's going to take a real long time to destroy 100s of 1000s, lets assume for a moment that it has a recharge time of a splittering 1 second, by the time you've taken out a couple reapers the others are already targeting the citadel/crucible, so unless a way has been found to ask the reapers to kindly sit still while we take pot shots at them with our newly built cannon, it's gonna be kind of a problem.

There are not 100s of thousands of Sovereign class Reapers. A quick count of the forces at Earth based on the vid of the Space battle gave me a rough estimate of around 100-150 Sovereign class Reapers. A fleet taht will without doubt wipe out the united fleet, but if we had a mass acclerator cannon capable of destroying them in one shot the odds could be quickly evened.

Even more since the mass accelerator is improvised it would not use standard ammunition. It would have to grab whatever is nearby kinda like a Relay connects to the ship passing through, so feasibly it could grab other Reapers to use as ammonution.

Well you have to remember the bolck of the Reaper forces were at Earth, and you forgot there are still hundreds of Reapers all over Earth.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

DJBare wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

I feel you dont even have to go past the logic of "Reapers wouldnt allow it to go unnoticed and fail to destroy it" in order to write it off, but yeah, if you explore how it would actually work, theres another good counter point right there. 

I'll be honest, I'm biased, just like the reaper off button, I find the idea of it being a weapon of mass destruction way too cliche, I'm going to stick with my theory that harby is the lynch pin, Shepard and squad will need to go after him, I'm pretty much convinced harby is the controller keeping all other reapers in line.

How is that different than a Reaper off button?

It's not, that's my point, the reaper off button is as much cliche as a weapon of mass destruction is, my theory will stand that it's a mass indoctrination device, at least that's what I hope, and Shepard will have to destroy it, I could not think of a more happy ending that blowing that thing to kingdom come

So you dont want a Reaper off button, but atomaticly dismiss a potential weapon which would turn the odds in our favor, but without making it instant win?

Also if it is mass indoctrination device (not even mentioning that Indoctrination is never shown as Instantanoius as it would have to eb to have any effect on the ongoing battle) would mean an instant loss? Even if Shepard destroys it the fleet is gonna be wiped out.

[DJBare]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

There are not 100s of thousands of Sovereign class Reapers. A quick count of the forces at Earth based on the vid of the Space battle gave me a rough estimate of around 100-150 Sovereign class Reapers. A fleet taht will without doubt wipe out the united fleet, but if we had a mass acclerator cannon capable of destroying them in one shot the odds could be quickly evened.

Even more since the mass accelerator is improvised it would not use standard ammunition. It would have to grab whatever is nearby kinda like a Relay connects to the ship passing through, so feasibly it could grab other Reapers to use as ammonution.

The charon relay was still in operation, are you suggesting that no more reapers would come pouring through when they get wind of such a threat?

[byne]

DJBare wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

There are not 100s of thousands of Sovereign class Reapers. A quick count of the forces at Earth based on the vid of the Space battle gave me a rough estimate of around 100-150 Sovereign class Reapers. A fleet taht will without doubt wipe out the united fleet, but if we had a mass acclerator cannon capable of destroying them in one shot the odds could be quickly evened.

Even more since the mass accelerator is improvised it would not use standard ammunition. It would have to grab whatever is nearby kinda like a Relay connects to the ship passing through, so feasibly it could grab other Reapers to use as ammonution.

The charon relay was still in operation, are you suggesting that no more reapers would come pouring through when they get wind of such a threat?

The majority of the Reapers are at Earth. Thats the entire reason they moved the Citadel there.

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DJBare wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

I feel you dont even have to go past the logic of "Reapers wouldnt allow it to go unnoticed and fail to destroy it" in order to write it off, but yeah, if you explore how it would actually work, theres another good counter point right there. 

I'll be honest, I'm biased, just like the reaper off button, I find the idea of it being a weapon of mass destruction way too cliche, I'm going to stick with my theory that harby is the lynch pin, Shepard and squad will need to go after him, I'm pretty much convinced harby is the controller keeping all other reapers in line.

How is that different than a Reaper off button?

It's not, that's my point, the reaper off button is as much cliche as a weapon of mass destruction is, my theory will stand that it's a mass indoctrination device, at least that's what I hope, and Shepard will have to destroy it, I could not think of a more happy ending that blowing that thing to kingdom come

Also, there being no Reaper off button would be in Bioware's best interest, since that would allow the MP to go on and still hold the ARG credibility it has now.

[HellishFiend]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

So you dont want a Reaper off button, but atomaticly dismiss a potential weapon which would turn the odds in our favor, but without making it instant win?

Also if it is mass indoctrination device (not even mentioning that Indoctrination is never shown as Instantanoius as it would have to eb to have any effect on the ongoing battle) would mean an instant loss? Even if Shepard destroys it the fleet is gonna be wiped out.

To be honest, I think Bioware is going to come up with something for the Crucible similar to what IT does for the ending itself. Provide an explanation that justifies the events that took place and disallows the possibility of any remaining plot holes. If it's not a Reaper trap of some kind (which would fill all the plot holes), then it has to be something we havent though of yet, because we havent thought of anything else that doesnt leave a significant magnitude of plot holes.

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HellishFiend wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Not necesarily. If it as i theorize it might do, turns the Citadel into the Mass Accelerator cannon by reconfiguring the Citadel relay then it is feasible it would b impossible to know before you connect it.

I've seen this stated before, but what good is a single mass accelerator cannon?, even if it could target and take out a single reaper in one shot there are 100s of thousands of reapers, even if you get lucky and line up 3 for a hit, it's going to take a real long time to destroy 100s of 1000s, lets assume for a moment that it has a recharge time of a splittering 1 second, by the time you've taken out a couple reapers the others are already targeting the citadel/crucible, so unless a way has been found to ask the reapers to kindly sit still while we take pot shots at them with our newly built cannon, it's gonna be kind of a problem.

There are not 100s of thousands of Sovereign class Reapers. A quick count of the forces at Earth based on the vid of the Space battle gave me a rough estimate of around 100-150 Sovereign class Reapers. A fleet taht will without doubt wipe out the united fleet, but if we had a mass acclerator cannon capable of destroying them in one shot the odds could be quickly evened.

Even more since the mass accelerator is improvised it would not use standard ammunition. It would have to grab whatever is nearby kinda like a Relay connects to the ship passing through, so feasibly it could grab other Reapers to use as ammonution.

I'm curious, how would you address the plot hole of how the Reapers fail to discover the Crucible and destroy it, if it really poses a threat to them?

ya you would think Shepard would stop for a second and sya " Wait a minute Anderson said the Reapers were building a Conduit on Earth, but why would they do that?'

Later on Tim told the Reapers about the Crucible and there it is looks like the Reapers played Shepard as a fool because why on Earth would they Biuld a space bridge on  Earth  that alows any body to go directly to the Citadle?

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

masster blaster wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Not necesarily. If it as i theorize it might do, turns the Citadel into the Mass Accelerator cannon by reconfiguring the Citadel relay then it is feasible it would b impossible to know before you connect it.

I've seen this stated before, but what good is a single mass accelerator cannon?, even if it could target and take out a single reaper in one shot there are 100s of thousands of reapers, even if you get lucky and line up 3 for a hit, it's going to take a real long time to destroy 100s of 1000s, lets assume for a moment that it has a recharge time of a splittering 1 second, by the time you've taken out a couple reapers the others are already targeting the citadel/crucible, so unless a way has been found to ask the reapers to kindly sit still while we take pot shots at them with our newly built cannon, it's gonna be kind of a problem.

There are not 100s of thousands of Sovereign class Reapers. A quick count of the forces at Earth based on the vid of the Space battle gave me a rough estimate of around 100-150 Sovereign class Reapers. A fleet taht will without doubt wipe out the united fleet, but if we had a mass acclerator cannon capable of destroying them in one shot the odds could be quickly evened.

Even more since the mass accelerator is improvised it would not use standard ammunition. It would have to grab whatever is nearby kinda like a Relay connects to the ship passing through, so feasibly it could grab other Reapers to use as ammonution.

Well you have to remember the bolck of the Reaper forces were at Earth, and you forgot there are still hundreds of Reapers all over Earth.

Here is the vid I used for my count:

Jump to 4:25 where the camera pans behind the fighters and we get a beatiful view of Earth with the majority of the Reapers in view.

It was from here I counted roughly 100 Sovereign class Reapers adding at least another 50 for those  I could not see.

A fleet which can and will destroy the united fleet considering the 3 to 1 ratio needed for Dreadnoughst to take down Sovereign class reapers.

But add a powerful weapon to the equation, one capable of destroying Sovereign class reapers in one shot and the fleet protecting said weapon from Destroyers and suddenly this battle layout seems managable.

Also just to get this clear.

I still think the Crucible is a trap, I beleive taht i am not saying differently.

But the best lie ahs grain of truth. I thik the crucible plans are based upon a real superweapon, but alcking a important part, the Catalyst. this catalyst might not be the Citadel at all, but finding it or reconfiguring the Crucible to do something else than intended might still bring victory.

That si why the Reapers dont think it is a threat, because it wont work from what they think, but we might still be able to put it to use.

Remember no matter if it is trap or not it the Crucible is capable of producing unquantifiable levels of energy.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 11 juin 2012 - 07:29 .

[DJBare]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

So you dont want a Reaper off button, but atomaticly dismiss a potential weapon which would turn the odds in our favor, but without making it instant win?

Also if it is mass indoctrination device (not even mentioning that Indoctrination is never shown as Instantanoius as it would have to eb to have any effect on the ongoing battle) would mean an instant loss? Even if Shepard destroys it the fleet is gonna be wiped out.

Ahh, you are in the goup that considers it impossible to defeat the reapers conventionally?

I actually consider an all out conventional attack to be impossible also, but every chain has it's weak link, and in this case I believe that weak link is harbinger, which is why you never have a direct confrontation with him.

[Macgummi]

Hey guys, I just had a thought.

I remember that you already talked about that the original script may have been leaked intentionally. Personally I find this very plausible if you consider the whole "the boy was never real" thing. The Vancouver level from Mass Effect 3 was first shown at E3 2011 and as I remember the script was leaked later.

The cutscene and the dialogue with the boy were already back then the exact same as in the finished game, so if IT turns out to be true then I think Bioware really leaked the script intentionally.

(as always, sorry for my English :/ )

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HellishFiend wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

So you dont want a Reaper off button, but atomaticly dismiss a potential weapon which would turn the odds in our favor, but without making it instant win?

Also if it is mass indoctrination device (not even mentioning that Indoctrination is never shown as Instantanoius as it would have to eb to have any effect on the ongoing battle) would mean an instant loss? Even if Shepard destroys it the fleet is gonna be wiped out.

To be honest, I think Bioware is going to come up with something for the Crucible similar to what IT does for the ending itself. Provide an explanation that justifies the events that took place and disallows the possibility of any remaining plot holes. If it's not a Reaper trap of some kind (which would fill all the plot holes), then it has to be something we havent though of yet, because we havent thought of anything else that doesnt leave a significant magnitude of plot holes.

Wel there is there is

IT

Shepard is dreaming

Dark Matter

Shepard see's the future and wakes up in ME1 after the Prothien beacon

and a lot more

basicly I realy don't know what else it can be if all of this is wrong.

[balance5050]

DJBare wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

So you dont want a Reaper off button, but atomaticly dismiss a potential weapon which would turn the odds in our favor, but without making it instant win?

Also if it is mass indoctrination device (not even mentioning that Indoctrination is never shown as Instantanoius as it would have to eb to have any effect on the ongoing battle) would mean an instant loss? Even if Shepard destroys it the fleet is gonna be wiped out.

Ahh, you are in the goup that considers it impossible to defeat the reapers conventionally?

I actually consider an all out conventional attack to be impossible also, but every chain has it's weak link, and in this case I believe that weak link is harbinger, which is why you never have a direct confrontation with him.

You know the movie 300? It was based on a comic but the comic was (loosely) based on real events. We may be outnumbered and out gunned but our ingenuity and ability to think outside the box gives us a chance at conventional victory.

Modifié par balance5050, 11 juin 2012 - 07:33 .

[HellishFiend]

Macgummi wrote...

Hey guys, I just had a thought.

I remember that you already talked about that the original script may have been leaked intentionally. Personally I find this very plausible if you consider the whole "the boy was never real" thing. The Vancouver level from Mass Effect 3 was first shown at E3 2011 and as I remember the script was leaked later.

The cutscene and the dialogue with the boy were already back then the exact same as in the finished game, so if IT turns out to be true then I think Bioware really leaked the script intentionally.

(as always, sorry for my English :/ )

Your English is quite good, actually!

And yes, I agree. 

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Macgummi wrote...

Hey guys, I just had a thought.

I remember that you already talked about that the original script may have been leaked intentionally. Personally I find this very plausible if you consider the whole "the boy was never real" thing. The Vancouver level from Mass Effect 3 was first shown at E3 2011 and as I remember the script was leaked later.

The cutscene and the dialogue with the boy were already back then the exact same as in the finished game, so if IT turns out to be true then I think Bioware really leaked the script intentionally.

(as always, sorry for my English :/ )

Who know what they intended all I can say is that we didn't caught on quickly to what had transpierd inn the end of ME3.

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Macgummi wrote...

Hey guys, I just had a thought.

I remember that you already talked about that the original script may have been leaked intentionally. Personally I find this very plausible if you consider the whole "the boy was never real" thing. The Vancouver level from Mass Effect 3 was first shown at E3 2011 and as I remember the script was leaked later.

The cutscene and the dialogue with the boy were already back then the exact same as in the finished game, so if IT turns out to be true then I think Bioware really leaked the script intentionally.

(as always, sorry for my English :/ )

I agree with this as well, script leak over xbox live? How does that even work?

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

balance5050 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

So you dont want a Reaper off button, but atomaticly dismiss a potential weapon which would turn the odds in our favor, but without making it instant win?

Also if it is mass indoctrination device (not even mentioning that Indoctrination is never shown as Instantanoius as it would have to eb to have any effect on the ongoing battle) would mean an instant loss? Even if Shepard destroys it the fleet is gonna be wiped out.

Ahh, you are in the goup that considers it impossible to defeat the reapers conventionally?

I actually consider an all out conventional attack to be impossible also, but every chain has it's weak link, and in this case I believe that weak link is harbinger, which is why you never have a direct confrontation with him.

You know the movie 300? It was based on a comic but the comic was (loosely) based on real events. We may be outnumbered and out gunned but our ingeuity and ability to think outside the box gives us a chance at conventional victory.

Ill break this down in numbers again.

It takes 3 Dreadnoughts to down 1 Sovereign class Reaper, that is fact given to us by the game.

There are around 100-150 Sovereign class Reapers at earth from teh count I made based on an in game cinematic.

We have at the very best in our fleet just over 200 Dreadnougts and that is pre war numbers. The actual number is probably around 50-75 dreadnoughts lower if I was to give an estimate, possibly even lower than that considering we have suffered severe losses.

So we ahve a situation where we macth the Sovereign class reapers awith our Dreadnoughts on something like a 1 to 1 basis while we need a 1 to 3 basis for conventional victory.

We have to pull a serius rabbit out of the hat for that victory.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 11 juin 2012 - 07:35 .

[DJBare]

balance5050 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

So you dont want a Reaper off button, but atomaticly dismiss a potential weapon which would turn the odds in our favor, but without making it instant win?

Also if it is mass indoctrination device (not even mentioning that Indoctrination is never shown as Instantanoius as it would have to eb to have any effect on the ongoing battle) would mean an instant loss? Even if Shepard destroys it the fleet is gonna be wiped out.

Ahh, you are in the goup that considers it impossible to defeat the reapers conventionally?

I actually consider an all out conventional attack to be impossible also, but every chain has it's weak link, and in this case I believe that weak link is harbinger, which is why you never have a direct confrontation with him.

You know the movie 300? It was based on a comic but the comic was (loosely) based on real events. We may be outnumbered and out gunned but our ingeuity and ability to think outside the box gives us a chance at conventional victory.

Precisely, we have been following a technological path that has been laid out by the reapers, and our weapons are based on reaper tech, so reapers are well aware of our capabilities since it was them that gave us those capabilities, the only way to defeat them is to stop following their path and technology, change our way of thinking and you screw up the reapers main strategy.

[masster blaster]

balance5050 wrote...

Macgummi wrote...

Hey guys, I just had a thought.

I remember that you already talked about that the original script may have been leaked intentionally. Personally I find this very plausible if you consider the whole "the boy was never real" thing. The Vancouver level from Mass Effect 3 was first shown at E3 2011 and as I remember the script was leaked later.

The cutscene and the dialogue with the boy were already back then the exact same as in the finished game, so if IT turns out to be true then I think Bioware really leaked the script intentionally.

(as always, sorry for my English :/ )

I agree with this as well, script leak over xbox live? How does that even work?

Maybe htat is why they are so quiet about the EC because they wanted to trough use of the track about the ending and try not to piece together all the info they left us behind, or I don't know.

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EpyonX3 wrote...

senshi420 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

senshi420 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

So yeah, how about it guys, space dragonball z anyone?

Shepard is Goku, Harbinger is Vegeta, and Crucible + Citadel is a giant Kamehameha.

Yeah, no thanks, I'll go with Reaper trap....

unless teamfourstar is doing it. then it'll be epic.

Accurate...

sovereign as nappa? "Hey harby are we there yet?"

Nine Minutes, eighteen seconds...
Nine Minutes, eighteen seconds...

Thank you, I now have to clean my screen...gotta love DBZ: Abridged

[byne]

DJBare wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

So you dont want a Reaper off button, but atomaticly dismiss a potential weapon which would turn the odds in our favor, but without making it instant win?

Also if it is mass indoctrination device (not even mentioning that Indoctrination is never shown as Instantanoius as it would have to eb to have any effect on the ongoing battle) would mean an instant loss? Even if Shepard destroys it the fleet is gonna be wiped out.

Ahh, you are in the goup that considers it impossible to defeat the reapers conventionally?

I actually consider an all out conventional attack to be impossible also, but every chain has it's weak link, and in this case I believe that weak link is harbinger, which is why you never have a direct confrontation with him.

You know the movie 300? It was based on a comic but the comic was (loosely) based on real events. We may be outnumbered and out gunned but our ingeuity and ability to think outside the box gives us a chance at conventional victory.

Precisely, we have been following a technological path that has been laid out by the reapers, and our weapons are based on reaper tech, so reapers are well aware of our capabilities since it was them that gave us those capabilities, the only way to defeat them is to stop following their path and technology, change our way of thinking and you screw up the reapers main strategy.

Yeah, didnt Javik say that the diverse ways of thinking and fighting all the different species had was our greatest strength in the war?

[HellishFiend]

Well if its true that BW planned this all along, then it stands to reason that they would do things that would throw people off track and increase their plausible deniability. A fake script would be a great way of doing that.

[Macgummi]

HellishFiend wrote...

Macgummi wrote...

Hey guys, I just had a thought.

I remember that you already talked about that the original script may have been leaked intentionally. Personally I find this very plausible if you consider the whole "the boy was never real" thing. The Vancouver level from Mass Effect 3 was first shown at E3 2011 and as I remember the script was leaked later.

The cutscene and the dialogue with the boy were already back then the exact same as in the finished game, so if IT turns out to be true then I think Bioware really leaked the script intentionally.

(as always, sorry for my English :/ )

Your English is quite good, actually!

And yes, I agree. 

Thanks!

[balance5050]

DJBare wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

So you dont want a Reaper off button, but atomaticly dismiss a potential weapon which would turn the odds in our favor, but without making it instant win?

Also if it is mass indoctrination device (not even mentioning that Indoctrination is never shown as Instantanoius as it would have to eb to have any effect on the ongoing battle) would mean an instant loss? Even if Shepard destroys it the fleet is gonna be wiped out.

Ahh, you are in the goup that considers it impossible to defeat the reapers conventionally?

I actually consider an all out conventional attack to be impossible also, but every chain has it's weak link, and in this case I believe that weak link is harbinger, which is why you never have a direct confrontation with him.

You know the movie 300? It was based on a comic but the comic was (loosely) based on real events. We may be outnumbered and out gunned but our ingeuity and ability to think outside the box gives us a chance at conventional victory.

Precisely, we have been following a technological path that has been laid out by the reapers, and our weapons are based on reaper tech, so reapers are well aware of our capabilities since it was them that gave us those capabilities, the only way to defeat them is to stop following their path and technology, change our way of thinking and you screw up the reapers main strategy.

Right, Kalros's intervention would be an example of not following the reaper's path.....

[balance5050]

byne wrote...

DJBare wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

So you dont want a Reaper off button, but atomaticly dismiss a potential weapon which would turn the odds in our favor, but without making it instant win?

Also if it is mass indoctrination device (not even mentioning that Indoctrination is never shown as Instantanoius as it would have to eb to have any effect on the ongoing battle) would mean an instant loss? Even if Shepard destroys it the fleet is gonna be wiped out.

Ahh, you are in the goup that considers it impossible to defeat the reapers conventionally?

I actually consider an all out conventional attack to be impossible also, but every chain has it's weak link, and in this case I believe that weak link is harbinger, which is why you never have a direct confrontation with him.

You know the movie 300? It was based on a comic but the comic was (loosely) based on real events. We may be outnumbered and out gunned but our ingeuity and ability to think outside the box gives us a chance at conventional victory.

Precisely, we have been following a technological path that has been laid out by the reapers, and our weapons are based on reaper tech, so reapers are well aware of our capabilities since it was them that gave us those capabilities, the only way to defeat them is to stop following their path and technology, change our way of thinking and you screw up the reapers main strategy.

Yeah, didnt Javik say that the diverse ways of thinking and fighting all the different species had was our greatest strength in the war?

What does Javic think of the crucible? He doesn't seem to put much faith in it if I recall...

Modifié par balance5050, 11 juin 2012 - 07:43 .

[DJBare]

byne wrote...

Yeah, didnt Javik say that the diverse ways of thinking and fighting all the different species had was our greatest strength in the war?

Yes he did, and Protheans were heavy into reaper tech, they built their entire galactic civilization based on reaper tech, talk about opening the door and inviting the enemy in.