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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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Dwailing

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byne wrote...

Can you guys please knock off the quote pyramids?

Threads have been locked for having an excess of quote pyramids before.


No problem Byne.  I'll do my best.

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byne wrote...

Can you guys please knock off the quote pyramids?

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That's what I've been saying the whole damn time!
Oh crap, now they've made one out of my comment, too!

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estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

Can you guys please knock off the quote pyramids?

Threads have been locked for having an excess of quote pyramids before.



That's what I've been saying the whole damn time!
Oh crap, now they've made one out of my comment, too!


Sorry, sorry, we'll cut it off.  Wow, tough thread. ;)

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byne wrote...

Can you guys please knock off the quote pyramids?

Threads have been locked for having an excess of quote pyramids before.

As you wish.
 
[in TIM's voice] But... only if we can harness their ability to convey messages.

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So... might I ask;

A). What's new

and

B). Why you guys are stalking me on youtube? :P

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Arian Dynas wrote...

So... might I ask;

A). What's new

and

B). Why you guys are stalking me on youtube? :P


Hey, I was just listening to the ME3 soundtrack on youtube and saw someone responding to you with falsehoods had made top comment, and that made me sad.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

So... might I ask;

A). What's new

and

B). Why you guys are stalking me on youtube? :P


Well, did you get a chance to check out my recent theory?  It's on the last page, but I'll bump it in a sec.

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Good. Now when I come back tomorrow, I don't want to see a single quote pyramid, you hear me?!

If I see otherwise, there will be no dessert! Here me?!

...Good. Now, goodbye, I'll see you all tomorrow!

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estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

Can you guys please knock off the quote pyramids?

Threads have been locked for having an excess of quote pyramids before.



That's what I've been saying the whole damn time!
Oh crap, now they've made one out of my comment, too!

I must've misunderstood your remark. I thought you were willing to help us beat the Guinness World Record. Posted Image jk

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paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

Can you guys please knock off the quote pyramids?

Threads have been locked for having an excess of quote pyramids before.

As you wish.
 
[in TIM's voice] But... only if we can harness their ability to convey messages.


[Anderson] You're being quote-inated!

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Face it Arian, you're one of the most awesome people around here. :)

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 OK, I had an idea last night in the shower around 12:30 a.m. so it's a little crazy, but I think it's worth sharing.  We've all talked about how the gun represents Shepard's willpower and Anderson represents the unindoctrinated section of Shepard's mind.  So, I was thinking last night about this, and I realized that it's possible that the scene where we see Anderson holding the gun has meaning as well.  (Just as a heads up, you guys should know by now that I'm of the opinion that the hallucination started right after the crash.  Also, I'm going to go with an idea that popped up earlier that the beams being fired by Harbinger represent his attempts to invade Shep's mind.)  

Now, we first see the gun in Anderson's hand.  To me, this could represent that the unindoctrinated part of Shepard's mind is able to fight back against indoctrination.  It's armed and in control.  Then, the beam comes, and "Shepard" gets knocked out and Anderson disappears.  When he comes to, he finds the gun, his willpower.  

So now, I'm going to share the REALLY crazy idea.  What if, Casey Hudson was being quite literal about the player being Shep?  Meaning, what if the Shepard that we control in the end sequence is LITERALLY a representation of the player.  We have Shepard's willpower litterally in our hands, and it's up to us what we do with it.  Jump to the end, now, you, the player, are completely in control.  You have to decide what to do with Shepard's willpower.  Do you throw it away by choosing Control or Synthesis.  Or do you use it to stay strong, stick to Shepard's beliefs, and win this battle?  

I think this could be an explanation for the presence of an actual representation of Shepard.  I mean, think about it.  Anderson is the unindoctrinated part of Shep's mind.  TIM is the representation of the indoctrinated part of Shep's mind.  What could the actual Shepard that we see and control be?  A representation of the player.  Yeah, I know it's kind of crazy, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to share.

Edit: Wow, I think I actually made a wall of text.  Wasn't sure I'd ever make one of those.  Glad I was wrong.


Bumping and tweaking slightly.


Bumping for BleedingUranium to see.  Also, I just had a crazy thought.  What if the Shepard we see represent's Shepard's control over himself?  The gun is his willpower, and he is his self control.  This could explain why we see him disintigrating in Control and Synthesis.  He's surrendered his self control to the Reapers.

Edit: The "he" I'm refering to is the Shepard that we see at the end.  Hey, crazy thought, it WOULD make sense if the Shepard we see is Shepard's self control.  You know why?  Because that's the thing we always control in this sequence.  We are litterally controling Shepard's self control.  I know, freeky, right?


If anyone's looking for something to talk about that's on topic, take a look at this.


Bumping for Arian.

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byne wrote...

Can you guys please knock off the quote pyramids?

Threads have been locked for having an excess of quote pyramids before.


Yeah I agree, and also stay on topic guys!!!!! Geeee wizz!!!! <_< It would be a shame if the thread was closed. :crying:

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TJBartlemus wrote...

byne wrote...

Can you guys please knock off the quote pyramids?

Threads have been locked for having an excess of quote pyramids before.


Yeah I agree, and also stay on topic guys!!!!! Geeee wizz!!!! <_< It would be a shame if the thread was closed. :crying:


(Shepard voice) Again.

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estebanus wrote...

Face it Arian, you're one of the most awesome people around here. :)


Still not entirely sure how that happened :?

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I can see the thread is in full-on chat room mode right now. I'll come back later...

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@ Dwailling

Ah. That I've read.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Face it Arian, you're one of the most awesome people around here. :)


Still not entirely sure how that happened :?


I think you were just yourself, which confirms the hypothesis that just being yourself is the best way.

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@ Dwailling

Ah. That I've read.


OK, I couldn't remember.  What did you think?

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

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..That's actually interesting, though I guess someone just forgot to add the beam in that scene. Just as somebody discovered in another thread that the Crucible actually docks on the wrong side of the Citadel in a cutscene. Embarassing mistakes.

It does not dock in the wrong side, it was proven that the person who claimed that was wrong.

The beam is there, but you have to remember its size. Its about 1.5 meters in diameter, compare that to the lights on the citadel which are each about 25 meters (if not more).
Keep in mind the Citadel is emitting the beam (in that screen the lights are at least 50m wide), and it just isn't visible as its too narrow to see from that distance.

Thanks Megumi for that shot; where exactly in the game is that scene from? I don't believe I've noticed it before. As for your observations; an object with a 5m circumference probably shouldn't show at that distance even if it is producing that many lumens, but I thought that they'd include at least some indicator of the connection from a theatrical point of view, at least a closeup would have been nice considering the london beam is a pretty big deal.

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Bumping for future generations! (And demolishing the pyramid as per byne's kind request)

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Nice!  What I meant was that the IT thread is the third entry, at least for me.  Also, that's an awesome motivational.  How does lex do it?

Try typing "unified nanide" into Google and come back tell us all what pops up as the first result. Posted Image

I suppose, he's a computer graphics artist or treats it as a hobby. ME3 flycam and Photoshop, anyone? 


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Dwailing wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Face it Arian, you're one of the most awesome people around here. :)


Still not entirely sure how that happened :?


I think you were just yourself, which confirms the hypothesis that just being yourself is the best way.


I disagree partially.

You are playing less the role of "self control" and more the concious part of the mind, the Ego, while Shepard listens to appeals from his Superego (Anderson) and his Id (TIM).

And yes I already know that Freud has as much to do with modern Psychology as Phlogiston has to do with modern chemistry, but well, tell writers that.

Besides, it still makes an interesting dichotomy.

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Salient Archer wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

..That's actually interesting, though I guess someone just forgot to add the beam in that scene. Just as somebody discovered in another thread that the Crucible actually docks on the wrong side of the Citadel in a cutscene. Embarassing mistakes.

It does not dock in the wrong side, it was proven that the person who claimed that was wrong.

The beam is there, but you have to remember its size. Its about 1.5 meters in diameter, compare that to the lights on the citadel which are each about 25 meters (if not more).
Keep in mind the Citadel is emitting the beam (in that screen the lights are at least 50m wide), and it just isn't visible as its too narrow to see from that distance.

Thanks Megumi for that shot; where exactly in the game is that scene from? I don't believe I've noticed it before. As for your observations; an object with a 5m circumference probably shouldn't show at that distance even if it is producing that many lumens, but I thought that they'd include at least some indicator of the connection from a theatrical point of view, at least a closeup would have been nice considering the london beam is a pretty big deal.

It's strange because when the beam is activated we can see it from very far.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Face it Arian, you're one of the most awesome people around here. :)


Still not entirely sure how that happened :?


Easy.  Your not a douche.

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paxxton wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

..That's actually interesting, though I guess someone just forgot to add the beam in that scene. Just as somebody discovered in another thread that the Crucible actually docks on the wrong side of the Citadel in a cutscene. Embarassing mistakes.

It does not dock in the wrong side, it was proven that the person who claimed that was wrong.

The beam is there, but you have to remember its size. Its about 1.5 meters in diameter, compare that to the lights on the citadel which are each about 25 meters (if not more).
Keep in mind the Citadel is emitting the beam (in that screen the lights are at least 50m wide), and it just isn't visible as its too narrow to see from that distance.

Thanks Megumi for that shot; where exactly in the game is that scene from? I don't believe I've noticed it before. As for your observations; an object with a 5m circumference probably shouldn't show at that distance even if it is producing that many lumens, but I thought that they'd include at least some indicator of the connection from a theatrical point of view, at least a closeup would have been nice considering the london beam is a pretty big deal.

It's strange because when the beam is activated we can see it from very far.


Assuming the Citadel is roughly in a satellite orbit of about 384,000km from the earth I would assume it's about two to three times that from the camera angle I provided, where as when Shep's in london we would only be about 48km away at a maximum (I'd honestly say no more than 20km at the furthest). Also, can I point out that the Citadel must have one heck of a GPS system, how else would it keep the beam in such a constant static holding pattern :wizard:)

Modifié par Salient Archer, 12 juin 2012 - 12:01 .