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[Corik]

In my first game, I had the heavy breathing from Cerberus HQ... but in my second... had the heavy breathing from the Rachni-grunt mission and until Citadel Siege... then nothing. That's a veeeery weird thing.

[HellishFiend]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

For anyone who missed it, someone posted a very interesting facts document on infrasound yesterday:

http://www.lowertheb.../infrasound.htm

Just up again and going through the threat when i saw this. Interesting read and especially one part caught my eye:

 "1 - 10 Cycles Per Second (Hz) - "Lethal infrasonic pitch
lies in the 7 cycle range. Small amplitude increases affect human behavior
in this range. Intellectual activity is first inhibited, blocked, and then
destroyed. As the amplitude is increased, several disconcerting responses
have been noted. These responses begin a complete neurological interference.
The action of the medulla is physiologically blocked, its autonomic functions
cease." (source; the Sonic Weapon of Vladimir Gavreau, by Gerry Vassilatos)"

The highlighted part is interesting when compared to the codex on Indoctrination.

"Long-term physical effects of the manipulation are unsustainable. Higher
mental functioning decays, ultimately leaving the victim a gibbering
animal. Rapid indoctrination is possible, but causes this decay in days
or weeks. Slow, patient indoctrination allows the thrall to last for
months or years."

Just wanted to point that out again since it is an interesting link.

Yep, infrasound is quite a beast. If there were a real-life equivalent of the Force, infrasound would be it. It can pass through almost anything and disrupt the hell out of it along the way, depending on the frequency and amplitude. 

It may actually be somewhat feasible that complete mastery of infrasound could yield results not all that different from how the Reapers use it in the Mass Effect universe. It's just one component of course, its not like infrasound = indoctrination, but it seems to be a significant factor. 

[HellishFiend]

Corik wrote...

In my first game, I had the heavy breathing from Cerberus HQ... but in my second... had the heavy breathing from the Rachni-grunt mission and until Citadel Siege... then nothing. That's a veeeery weird thing.

Hrm, that seems to bear a strange parallel to the way Aequitas behaves. It's highlighted in different segments of the game with each subsequent playthrough. 

In the case of Aequitas, it also moves back to an earlier segment of the game each time. 

Could very well just be a coincidence, but if we could get a few people to repeat the phenomenon, we might be on to something. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 12 juin 2012 - 07:03 .

[UrgentArchengel]

Has anyone here used the term "Thralling" here yet? Because if not, then I call dibs on coining it. If you don't know what it means, it's the process the Reapers use to indoctrinate. Hence the thrall in the name.

[Arian Dynas]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Has anyone here used the term "Thralling" here yet? Because if not, then I call dibs on coining it. If you don't know what it means, it's the process the Reapers use to indoctrinate. Hence the thrall in the name.

The word "Enthralling" is I believe what you are looking for.

It means to enchant, to fascinate, to command the attention of, influence or take control over.

[CoreyLF37]

Arian Dynas wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Has anyone here used the term "Thralling" here yet? Because if not, then I call dibs on coining it. If you don't know what it means, it's the process the Reapers use to indoctrinate. Hence the thrall in the name.

The word "Enthralling" is I believe what you are looking for.

It means to enchant, to fascinate, to command the attention of, influence or take control over.

Hi everyone, long-time lurker, first time posting.

Your defintion of a thrall is correct. In Mass Effect 1, one of the characters (can't remember if it was Shiala or someone from ExoGeni) refered to the people the Thorian took over as it's "thralls".

Modifié par CoreyLF37, 12 juin 2012 - 07:52 .

[Bill Casey]

HellishFiend wrote...

I dont think indoctrination is ever mentioned on the Normandy even once.

Joker: Even for Cerberus, that place was crazy. They've always been about the ends justifying the means.

Shepard: After everything he's done, the Illusive Man can't pretend he's fighting for humanity. Anyone who isn't indoctrinated has to see that by now.
_________________________________________

Javik: Under my leadership, a new Prothean empire would have arisen. We would have commanded the races of your time to prepare for the next Reaper invasion. But traitors within our ranks, indoctrinated agents betrayed us and the Reapers discovered our plan.
_________________________________________

Javik: Our own people would be indoctrinated, converted, then turned against us.
_________________________________________

Javik: You're saying they survived into this cycle?

Liara: Yes, we called them "Collectors." They fought for the Reapers. For a long time, noone knew they were Prothean.

Javik: And when did you realize?

Liara: Shepard had no choice but to kill the ones he encountered. They were all indoctrinated and had been for a long time. I'm... sorry.

Javik: I am grateful. It was an act of mercy.

__________________________________________

Traynor: We don't know what they were researching, but they were among the Illusive Man's top scientists. They could help build the Crucible.

Renegade Shepard: Unless they're indoctrinated, and this is a ruseto get Cerberus close to the Crucible.

Traynor: I'm not suggesting we trust them fully, but it could be worth investigating.
__________________________________________

EDI: Shepard, I'm keeping track of the investigation into Udina's actions on the Citadel. It appears he was motivated to seize power in order to launch a counterattack on Earth. Most experts would agree that such a move at this point would be doomed to failure. His poor plan may have been exactly what the Reapers wanted. It is possible he was indoctrinated.

Shepard: He'd better be. At least that way, he'd have an excuse.
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Javik: I once commanded a ship like this one. A loyal crew with many friends. It was captured. Only I escaped.

Shepard: What happened to them?

Javik: Indoctrinated. The Reapers sent them against me. Year after year, battle after battle, I was hunted by my own people.
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EDI: Ninety percent refused to report their fellow prisoners. Indoctrination should have reduced that number to zero.

Shepard: Maybe word got out on how indoctrination worked. And they made a decision.
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EDI: Admiral Anderson reports that the Reapers on Earth are broadcasting orders. They are demanding human leaders enter their super structures in order to negiotiate peace.

Shepard: Anybody aboard a Reaper is going to be indoctrinated.

EDI: Exactly. This is a ruse to pacify the populace during that process. Citizens who are busy waiting are not busy fighting. It is likely that the governments of Earth will soon enact laws punishing those who attack the Reaper occupiers. Again, this will be done in the name of peace.
_________________________________________

Modifié par Bill Casey, 12 juin 2012 - 08:07 .

[HellishFiend]

Bill Casey wrote...

*snip*

Javik aside (I dont really count him as part of "the Normandy"), I couldnt remember any of those other ones at the time, so thanks. 

Still, it seems strange that they never seem to examine the possibility that any of them might be indoctrinated. Or at least at risk for it. Of course they might be avoiding that just so it doesnt turn into a paranoid witch hunt, but still... They just seem too complacent about it. 

[Corik]

Saying that nothing in Mass Effect refers to indoctrination is like saying that The Walking Dead is not based on a Zombie Apocalypse XD

[HellishFiend]

Corik wrote...

Saying that nothing in Mass Effect refers to indoctrination is like saying that The Walking Dead is not based on a Zombie Apocalypse XD

Who said that? 

[Corik]

HellishFiend wrote...

Corik wrote...

Saying that nothing in Mass Effect refers to indoctrination is like saying that The Walking Dead is not based on a Zombie Apocalypse XD

Who said that? 

Nobody, just a thought about the last posts against those who often say that Indoctrination is not a key element of ME.

[HellishFiend]

Corik wrote...

Nobody, just a thought about the last posts against those who often say that Indoctrination is not a key element of ME.

They simply are not reading into it enough.  A few pages back I pasted a comment from a youtube video where Arian was trying to explain IT to somebody, and the guy straight up admitted he was out of his depth. 

That's the issue here, a lot of people are out of their depth, but they'll never admit it the way that youtube user did. Many gamers are used to just having a story told to them and not having to think about it. So if the game doesnt come straight out and say "this is happening", they assume that it isnt. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 12 juin 2012 - 08:18 .

[WolfyZA]

Yeah it has been mentioned before... Everytime a indoctrination attempt fails its followed up by a growling noise.

Modifié par WolfyZA, 12 juin 2012 - 08:21 .

[Arian Dynas]

Corik wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Corik wrote...

Saying that nothing in Mass Effect refers to indoctrination is like saying that The Walking Dead is not based on a Zombie Apocalypse XD

Who said that? 

Nobody, just a thought about the last posts against those who often say that Indoctrination is not a key element of ME.

It's like being Jack Chick. You become the one claiming the pope ISN'T Catholic.

[Macross]

WolfyZA wrote...

Yeah it has been mentioned before... Everytime a indoctrination attempt fails its followed up by a growling noise.

Like the sound that you hear everytime the kid runs away from you in your deams.

I've been thinking, in the dreams could the little kid not be a represenation of Indcotrination but rather represent Shepard fighting Indoctrination. In the dreams before the kid runaways from Shepard you always see the Red light over him (like the reaper targetting signal, which would be like the Reaper's targetting this part of his psychos to indoctrinate shepard) and then the Reaper sound and then the kid runaways.

So I'm theorising taht this is Shepard fighting indoctrination, the Kid representing what's left of him and runaway from Shep as Shep approaches, e.g runaway from Indoctrination. At the end of the Dream the kid begins to burn representing the fact that that part of Shepard has been taken over/ begun to be taken over/ has been indoctranted more.

In the final dream shows how much further Shepard has gone into Indoc by portraying the Kid with Shepard burning.

Thus the form of the Catylist less takes the form of Harbinge using the kid again but rather Harbinger using the image of the Kid (what's subconiously represented as the part fighting Indoc) as his final trick in defeating and submitting Shepard.

On an unreleated note: Anyone else notice how Liara's time capulse (well the light coming out of it) kind of looks like the Beam to the Citadel. (I noticed this after Liara said 'I just wrote you're name in the Stars' and I was like 'and yeah Starbinger wrote into the Genepool of every living creature'.), man that imagery comes up a lot

[HellishFiend]

Macross wrote...

Like the sound that you hear everytime the kid runs away from you in your deams.

I've been thinking, in the dreams could the little kid not be a represenation of Indcotrination but rather represent Shepard fighting Indoctrination. In the dreams before the kid runaways from Shepard you always see the Red light over him (like the reaper targetting signal, which would be like the Reaper's targetting this part of his psychos to indoctrinate shepard) and then the Reaper sound and then the kid runaways.

So I'm theorising taht this is Shepard fighting indoctrination, the Kid representing what's left of him and runaway from Shep as Shep approaches, e.g runaway from Indoctrination. At the end of the Dream the kid begins to burn representing the fact that that part of Shepard has been taken over/ begun to be taken over/ has been indoctranted more.

In the final dream shows how much further Shepard has gone into Indoc by portraying the Kid with Shepard burning.

Thus the form of the Catylist less takes the form of Harbinge using the kid again but rather Harbinger using the image of the Kid (what's subconiously represented as the part fighting Indoc) as his final trick in defeating and submitting Shepard.

Actually I'm leaning towards the complete opposite of your idea, for the most part. 

Try looking at it this way:

The kid represents the indoctrination attempt. When Shepard approaches the kid, the resistant part of his mind (I like to call it "Anderson") tries to warn him by flashing the red light on him and blaring the Reaper horn. "Anderson" is basically saying "LOOK OUT! IT'S A REAPER!"  When he finally gets to the kid, the resistant part of his mind takes it a step further and lights the kid aflame. 

Then in the "final" dream at the end of the game, "Anderson" is gone, so we have only the player to continue to literally light the indoctrination attempt aflame by picking destroy. You even see one last image of "Anderson" picking destroy, demonstrating which option the resistant part of your mind would go with. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 12 juin 2012 - 09:33 .

[Dendio1]

How can one fight against indoctrination if they are unaware of it?

[Macross]

HellishFiend wrote...

Actually I'm leaning towards the complete opposite of your idea, for the most part. 

Try looking at it this way:

The kid represents the indoctrination attempt. When Shepard approaches the kid, the resistant part of his mind (I like to call it "Anderson") tries to warn him by flashing the red light on him and blaring the Reaper horn. "Anderson" is basically saying "LOOK OUT! IT'S A REAPER!"  When he finally gets to the kid, the resistant part of his mind takes it a step further and lights the kid aflame. 

Then in the "final" dream at the end of the game, "Anderson" is gone, so we have only the player to continue to literally light the indoctrination attempt aflame by picking destroy. You even see one last image of "Anderson" picking destroy, demonstrating which option the resistant part of your mind would go with. 

See, I can understand that idea but it doesn't answer why the kid runaways from Shepard and why Shep is constantly chasing the kid (I'm intepreting it as Shepard is Indoctrated and the kid bit is running away from him). I think the kid was geniuenly ment to represent innonce in those dreams and Starbinger taking on his form at the end was meant to represent that innocence being twisted.

I gues the kid running away could be explained by saying Starbinger was trying to lead Shepard towards Indoctrination but I feel that's to convulted and that the one above is much simpler. Of course this is just my opinion.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Dendio1 wrote...

How can one fight against indoctrination if they are unaware of it?

Ashely: How are you supposed to fight something  that can worm it's way into your head?
Shepard: I don't know...But we don't have a choice.

I think a better question is how does someone fight against indoctrination at all? Pure willpower seems to be the only thing and even then all the indoctrinatee's can do is end their life. But, that's once someone is indoctrinated fully.

[Dendio1]

Shepard reaches the kid and is surrounded in flames. Perhaps simply foreshadowing shepard dying after reaching the catalyst

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Indoctrination is scary as hell, if you ask me. Far worse than any kind of mind control I've ever seen in games or movies. We could all be indoctrinated right now without knowing it.

[Dendio1]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

How can one fight against indoctrination if they are unaware of it?

Ashely: How are you supposed to fight something  that can worm it's way into your head?
Shepard: I don't know...But we don't have a choice.

I think a better question is how does someone fight against indoctrination at all? Pure willpower seems to be the only thing and even then all the indoctrinatee's can do is end their life. But, that's once someone is indoctrinated fully.

Even people with strong willpower need to be aware enough of the threat to gain a conscious will to fight. Shepard always looks bewildered in his dreams, and even afraid at times.

Modifié par Dendio1, 12 juin 2012 - 09:49 .

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Indoctrination is scary as hell, if you ask me. Far worse than any kind of mind control I've ever seen in games or movies. We could all be indoctrinated right now without knowing it.

[lex0r11]

[senshi420]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Indoctrination is scary as hell, if you ask me. Far worse than any kind of mind control I've ever seen in games or movies. We could all be indoctrinated right now without knowing it.

you sir, are my hero