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[gunslinger_ruiz]

Arian Dynas wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

It's still sad though how many gamers freak out just because there is the OPTION to have a gay Shepard. Youtube comments range from "Bull****, Shepard isn't gay!" to "LOL they want to make us all gay LOLOLOL!!!!111" and I'm like... are you serious?

Youtube comments or rediculously conservative, populist tv networks?

Why not both?

I think he meant "are ridiculously conservative." It's a bit tired out tonight, speaking off goodnight all happy speculating see you tomorrow night.

[paxxton]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Yeah that's where they keep models they need for use later. Before Shepard is even shown, I found these guys standing there.

*snip*

This is how soldiers fall in line in the future.

@gunslinger_ruiz: Thanks for the help.

[MaximizedAction]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

It's still sad though how many gamers freak out just because there is the OPTION to have a gay Shepard. Youtube comments range from "Bull****, Shepard isn't gay!" to "LOL they want to make us all gay LOLOLOL!!!!111" and I'm like... are you serious?

Youtube comments or rediculously conservative, populist tv networks?

Why not both?

I think he meant "are ridiculously conservative." It's a bit tired out tonight, speaking off goodnight all happy speculating see you tomorrow night.

Nope, but good night to you sir, nonetheless.

[MaximizedAction]

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Yeah that's where they keep models they need for use later. Before Shepard is even shown, I found these guys standing there.

*snip*

This is how soldiers fall in line in the future.

@gunslinger_ruiz: Thanks for the help.

Obviously this is BioWare's hidden attempt to create a Mass Effect musical and they were trying to present a short demo of it in the game. But unfortunately, the game mechanics didn't allow them to do leg kicking properly. So they dropped that.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 12 juin 2012 - 11:08 .

[paxxton]

Corik wrote...

Saying that nothing in Mass Effect refers to indoctrination is like saying that The Walking Dead is not based on a Zombie Apocalypse XD

What?! The Reapers indoctrinate??!! How? Why? When? Where? Whom?

[paxxton]

MaximizedAction wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Yeah that's where they keep models they need for use later. Before Shepard is even shown, I found these guys standing there.

*snip*

This is how soldiers fall in line in the future.

@gunslinger_ruiz: Thanks for the help.

Obviously this is BioWare's hidden attempt to create a Mass Effect musical and they were trying to present a short demo of it in the game. But unfortunately, the game mechanics didn't allow them to do leg kicking properly. So they dropped that.

They attempted to make Kinect Mass Effect - an extrmely popular dance game. Kinect is already implemented...

[Arian Dynas]

Bleh... I'd contribute things about the dream interpretation but my mind is fried.

Bleh. Just going back to Skyrim.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 12 juin 2012 - 11:23 .

[lex0r11]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Bleh... I'd contribute things about the dream interpretation but my mind is fried.

Bleh. Just going back to Skyrim.

I imagine Bleh as a shout, rendering everything and everyone around you moot.

[Arian Dynas]

lex0r11 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Bleh... I'd contribute things about the dream interpretation but my mind is fried.

Bleh. Just going back to Skyrim.

I imagine Bleh as a shout, rendering everything and everyone around you moot.

Bleh **** OFF! 

/dragonborn

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Fus Roh Bleh!

[EpyonX3]

senshi420 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

How can one fight against indoctrination if they are unaware of it?

Ashely: How are you supposed to fight something  that can worm it's way into your head?
Shepard: I don't know...But we don't have a choice.

I think a better question is how does someone fight against indoctrination at all? Pure willpower seems to be the only thing and even then all the indoctrinatee's can do is end their life. But, that's once someone is indoctrinated fully.

Even people with strong willpower need to be aware enough of the threat to gain a conscious will to fight. Shepard always looks bewildered in his dreams, and even afraid at times.

know if anyone has flycammed the dreams yet? 

edit: welcome to 700!

I have. Nothing interesting so far. Just trees, benches, shadows and the child.

[Rifneno]

EpyonX3 wrote...

The thing is what you see as a hint, most of the times I see as a glitch. But that in no way means that bioware is lazy or sucks at they're job.

Again there are some compelling "hints" like the husk eyes at the end that I can't argue with. But they're far and few in between. At least to me.

In other words, you're not even considering the possibility of being wrong. And I don't mean that as an insult. It's natural human behavior. We're programmed to try and win arguments, not seek truth in them. But I do think that's your problem. You're writing off everything you possibly can as a glitch or coincidence and still have unexplainable elements like the TIM eyes. While Occam's Razor doesn't apply to fiction, it does apply to analyzing fiction. What's more likely: that it was all glitches and coincidences, perfect accidents en masse, and BW really did top off an incredibly told story with one of the most nonsensical garbage endings ever, or that IT is true?

byne wrote...

I miss my dress Kasumi gave me in ME2. It looked way better than the weird latex dress we have in ME3.

Not that I ever wear a dress on FemShep anyways, but still.

Agreed. When I play FemShep I usually use the dress. The one in ME2 was far, far superior. I remember using a Texmod that made it red and black. Was awesome. ManShep's dress clothes sucked though. Still not as bad as the hoodie. I hate the hoodie so much that I almost didn't order the Collector's Edition so I wouldn't have it.

Dwailing wrote...

I should point out that no matter how long our quote pyramid gets, Garrus Vakarian will STILL hold the Guinness World Record for longest quote pyramid.

When banshees grab Garrus Vakarian, they're the ones that die.

Arian Dynas wrote...

And yes I already know that Freud has as much to do with modern Psychology as Phlogiston has to do with modern chemistry, but well, tell writers that.

Freud was a huge fan of cocaine. ... Seriously. Google it.

[EpyonX3]

Rifneno wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

The thing is what you see as a hint, most of the times I see as a glitch. But that in no way means that bioware is lazy or sucks at they're job.

Again there are some compelling "hints" like the husk eyes at the end that I can't argue with. But they're far and few in between. At least to me.

In other words, you're not even considering the possibility of being wrong. And I don't mean that as an insult. It's natural human behavior. We're programmed to try and win arguments, not seek truth in them. But I do think that's your problem. You're writing off everything you possibly can as a glitch or coincidence and still have unexplainable elements like the TIM eyes. While Occam's Razor doesn't apply to fiction, it does apply to analyzing fiction. What's more likely: that it was all glitches and coincidences, perfect accidents en masse, and BW really did top off an incredibly told story with one of the most nonsensical garbage endings ever, or that IT is true?

Not at all. I've acknowledged repeatedly that I could be wrong and
will admit to it both in text and video should IT be correct. I only
hope that if IT is true that they do it well and close any other plot
holes that IT might bring up.

And to answer your last question, I'm going with the first part.

Modifié par EpyonX3, 12 juin 2012 - 12:00 .

[lex0r11]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Fus Roh Bleh!

A level 3 Bleh shout? This discussion is done for.

*moot-struck people litter the thread all traumatized and huddled up*

Modifié par lex0r11, 12 juin 2012 - 12:03 .

[paxxton]

lex0r11 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Fus Roh Bleh!

A level 3 Bleh shout? This discussion is done for.

*moot-struck people litter the thread all traumatized and huddled up*

They ate unfresh food for breakfast no doubt about that. Now they have to face the consequences with dignity.

[paxxton]

EpyonX3 wrote...

senshi420 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

How can one fight against indoctrination if they are unaware of it?

Ashely: How are you supposed to fight something  that can worm it's way into your head?
Shepard: I don't know...But we don't have a choice.

I think a better question is how does someone fight against indoctrination at all? Pure willpower seems to be the only thing and even then all the indoctrinatee's can do is end their life. But, that's once someone is indoctrinated fully.

Even people with strong willpower need to be aware enough of the threat to gain a conscious will to fight. Shepard always looks bewildered in his dreams, and even afraid at times.

know if anyone has flycammed the dreams yet? 

edit: welcome to 700!

I have. Nothing interesting so far. Just trees, benches, shadows and the child.

There is a way to fight indoctrination. If you chose Control or reverse-engineered Reaper tech, you can unindoctrinate (or at least reindoctrinate) all those who succumbed to Reaper indoctrination.

Modifié par paxxton, 12 juin 2012 - 12:11 .

[EpyonX3]

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

senshi420 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

How can one fight against indoctrination if they are unaware of it?

Ashely: How are you supposed to fight something  that can worm it's way into your head?
Shepard: I don't know...But we don't have a choice.

I think a better question is how does someone fight against indoctrination at all? Pure willpower seems to be the only thing and even then all the indoctrinatee's can do is end their life. But, that's once someone is indoctrinated fully.

Even people with strong willpower need to be aware enough of the threat to gain a conscious will to fight. Shepard always looks bewildered in his dreams, and even afraid at times.

know if anyone has flycammed the dreams yet? 

edit: welcome to 700!

I have. Nothing interesting so far. Just trees, benches, shadows and the child.

There is a way to fight indoctrination. If you chose Control or reverse-engineered Reaper tech, you can unindoctrinate (or at least reindoctrinate) all those who succumbed to Reaper indoctrination.

What if Shepard is built from reverse engineered reaper tech? Anyone take EDI to Thessia?

[paxxton]

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

senshi420 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

How can one fight against indoctrination if they are unaware of it?

Ashely: How are you supposed to fight something  that can worm it's way into your head?
Shepard: I don't know...But we don't have a choice.

I think a better question is how does someone fight against indoctrination at all? Pure willpower seems to be the only thing and even then all the indoctrinatee's can do is end their life. But, that's once someone is indoctrinated fully.

Even people with strong willpower need to be aware enough of the threat to gain a conscious will to fight. Shepard always looks bewildered in his dreams, and even afraid at times.

know if anyone has flycammed the dreams yet? 

edit: welcome to 700!

I have. Nothing interesting so far. Just trees, benches, shadows and the child.

There is a way to fight indoctrination. If you chose Control or reverse-engineered Reaper tech, you can unindoctrinate (or at least reindoctrinate) all those who succumbed to Reaper indoctrination.

What if Shepard is built from reverse engineered reaper tech? Anyone take EDI to Thessia?

EDI on Thessia? Why? What did she say?

Modifié par paxxton, 12 juin 2012 - 12:16 .

[MaximizedAction]

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

senshi420 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

How can one fight against indoctrination if they are unaware of it?

Ashely: How are you supposed to fight something  that can worm it's way into your head?
Shepard: I don't know...But we don't have a choice.

I think a better question is how does someone fight against indoctrination at all? Pure willpower seems to be the only thing and even then all the indoctrinatee's can do is end their life. But, that's once someone is indoctrinated fully.

Even people with strong willpower need to be aware enough of the threat to gain a conscious will to fight. Shepard always looks bewildered in his dreams, and even afraid at times.

know if anyone has flycammed the dreams yet? 

edit: welcome to 700!

I have. Nothing interesting so far. Just trees, benches, shadows and the child.

There is a way to fight indoctrination. If you chose Control or reverse-engineered Reaper tech, you can unindoctrinate (or at least reindoctrinate) all those who succumbed to Reaper indoctrination.

What if Shepard is built from reverse engineered reaper tech? Anyone take EDI to Thessia?

What if this is what makes Shepard so special? That would allow him to be one of the very few to withstand and maybe even overcome indoctrination?

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

MaximizedAction wrote...

What if this is what makes Shepard so special? That would allow him to be one of the very few to withstand and maybe even overcome indoctrination?

Nothing, absolutely nothing.

he may have a powerful will but nothing says or even hints that Shepard is immune to Indoctrination. In fact when the greatest Spectre (before shepard) and a Matriach can both succumb, then Shepard is as liekly to succumb in time as anyone else.

Which is in my opinion is a big indication of Indocrtination because with the amount of reaper tech Shepard has been near he should be excibiting signs of Indoctrination.

[paxxton]

MaximizedAction wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

senshi420 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

How can one fight against indoctrination if they are unaware of it?

Ashely: How are you supposed to fight something  that can worm it's way into your head?
Shepard: I don't know...But we don't have a choice.

I think a better question is how does someone fight against indoctrination at all? Pure willpower seems to be the only thing and even then all the indoctrinatee's can do is end their life. But, that's once someone is indoctrinated fully.

Even people with strong willpower need to be aware enough of the threat to gain a conscious will to fight. Shepard always looks bewildered in his dreams, and even afraid at times.

know if anyone has flycammed the dreams yet? 

edit: welcome to 700!

I have. Nothing interesting so far. Just trees, benches, shadows and the child.

There is a way to fight indoctrination. If you chose Control or reverse-engineered Reaper tech, you can unindoctrinate (or at least reindoctrinate) all those who succumbed to Reaper indoctrination.

What if Shepard is built from reverse engineered reaper tech? Anyone take EDI to Thessia?

What if this is what makes Shepard so special? That would allow him to be one of the very few to withstand and maybe even overcome indoctrination?

Actually, if you consider that TIM was always partially indoctrinated and had access to Reaper tech/dead Reapers, it's not too far-fetched to reason that the tech Shepard has is at least partially of Reaper origin. It could be used to [SPOILERS FOR DEUS EX: HUMAN REVOLUTION FOLLOW] shut him down like Adam Jensen.

[paxxton]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

What if this is what makes Shepard so special? That would allow him to be one of the very few to withstand and maybe even overcome indoctrination?

Nothing, absolutely nothing.

he may have a powerful will but nothing says or even hints that Shepard is immune to Indoctrination. In fact when the greatest Spectre (before shepard) and a Matriach can both succumb, then Shepard is as liekly to succumb in time as anyone else.

Which is in my opinion is a big indication of Indocrtination because with the amount of reaper tech Shepard has been near he should be excibiting signs of Indoctrination.

There has to be the One, savior of the day, to say "no" to Reaper Indoctrination.

[Rifneno]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Not at all. I've acknowledged repeatedly that I could be wrong and
will admit to it both in text and video should IT be correct. I only
hope that if IT is true that they do it well and close any other plot
holes that IT might bring up.

And to answer your last question, I'm going with the first part.

What plot holes? I hear literalists talk about the plot holes of IT all the time but I've never heard what those supposed plot holes are. IT closes a ton of plot holes but I can't think of any that it creates.

[MaximizedAction]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

What if this is what makes Shepard so special? That would allow him to be one of the very few to withstand and maybe even overcome indoctrination?

Nothing, absolutely nothing.

he may have a powerful will but nothing says or even hints that Shepard is immune to Indoctrination. In fact when the greatest Spectre (before shepard) and a Matriach can both succumb, then Shepard is as liekly to succumb in time as anyone else.

Which is in my opinion is a big indication of Indocrtination because with the amount of reaper tech Shepard has been near he should be excibiting signs of Indoctrination.

You're absolutely correct in saying that nothing should make Shepard special. This is also why I accepted the IT within seconds. It follows almost trivially from the setting of ME3.
But my focus was more on the aftermath of it. Can he break free  (if Control/Synth indeed stand for giving in to indoctrination)? Or even in Destroy, why was he (we) able to resist it if most other victims don't?

So something has to make him special. And the events of ME2 offer ideal explainations.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 12 juin 2012 - 12:36 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

What if this is what makes Shepard so special? That would allow him to be one of the very few to withstand and maybe even overcome indoctrination?

Nothing, absolutely nothing.

he may have a powerful will but nothing says or even hints that Shepard is immune to Indoctrination. In fact when the greatest Spectre (before shepard) and a Matriach can both succumb, then Shepard is as liekly to succumb in time as anyone else.

Which is in my opinion is a big indication of Indocrtination because with the amount of reaper tech Shepard has been near he should be excibiting signs of Indoctrination.

You're absolutely correct in saying that nothing should make Shepard special. This is also why I accepted the IT within seconds. It follows almost trivially from the setting of ME3.
But my focus was more on the aftermath of it. Can he break free  (if Control/Synth indeed stand for giving in to indoctrination)? Or even in Destroy, why was he (we) able to resist it if most other victims don't?

Well idd go with that resisting is not the end of the Indoctrination. it simply means Shepard rejected it for now, but is not out of danger. It only gives him time to finish the fight and remove the Reapers and thus the most direct threat of Indoctrination.

But it is important to also remember Thane´s quote from ME2. "True, you have made a career out of doing the impossible."

There is first time for everything and Shepard has certainly proven he can do things no one else can. Thus reisting Indoctrination, even if only shortly idd give him, but as Indoctrination affects every creature he is only resistant due to his will, not immune.