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[MaximizedAction]

Jusseb wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I'm still pretty sure that Shep is the Catalyst.
The Catalyst being nothing more than someone able to unite the galaxy.

I believe this to, also because one of the definitions of 'Catalyst' is "1. A person or thing that causes a change"

Hm, sorry for saying so, but a "we all are the Catalyst" has aquiered a certain taste of cheesyness after watching too many movies or series a la Doctor Who.

On the other hand, if we as the Catalyst were also the only one who could operate the Crucible (assuming it's a mass accelarator), it would allows for some epic video-gamey-ness.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 12 juin 2012 - 02:51 .

[Dwailing]

Wait, come to think of it, I don't think that painting I found in Kasumi's loyalty mission is the same abstract painting found in ME3.

Edit: Could someone post a screenshot of said painting from ME3?  Then I could directly compare the two.

Modifié par Dwailing, 12 juin 2012 - 03:00 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

I'll admit that I haven't seen it all but these four are some of the parts I ust don't agree with.

How do you explain then, that if you have low EMS and save the collector base, then you only have control as an option? Or why Synthesis only appears with high EMS? This seems rather pointless if the goal is to indoctrinate Shepard.

And as I said before, the VI's that can sense indoctrination were most likely developed after the sabotage.

At low EMS the Reapers dont really bother with Shepard as they ahve allready won (as noted by the agressive tone from Catalyst) and the scene is then formed by Shepards own beliefs. Saving the collector base shows Shepard is willing to use Reaper tech and by extension the Reapers to further the gaalxy, thus Control.

At high ems however the Reapers are increasingly aware that shepard is a threat and put that much more ffort into Indoctrinating him, thus resulting in Synthesis beeing an extra option to trcik Shepard with.

Does anything specifically say that? In fact the VI itself mentions how the Protheans were brought down from the inside by Indoctrinated sleeper agents. off course this information might have been coded into it, but that still leaves one other major problem with the idea that they were developed later.

If that was the case they must have been put into use, very, very late as Javik was litterally there at the end of the Cycle and guess what happened to his crew. Indoctrinated the bunch of them and this was as said near the end of the cycle. Guess Javiks crew was never near a VI <_<

Also dosent change the fact that while Kai Leng is fully indoctrinated (wether that is Cerberus or Reaper Indoctrination, dosent matter, same tech behind it) while Shepard is only in the process. Shepard still has complete control of himself only suffering the side effects of the process itself, he is not fully indoctrinated yet as..well that one should need no explanation.

Then Why bother attempting the whole hallucination? They must have known that they would win way before since a) the fleets get torn apart as you arrive to earth Hammer only lands about 20-30% of it's troops or less and c) More reapers were able to break off from sword to stop hammer, indicating that they had more than enough to stop sword.

Reapers are also very arrogant, they come into the battle over confident in their ability to win the war. Having low EMS would solidify their confidence.

There's little to no idication that the cycle ended when Javik went into stasis or that Javik's group were the protheans left in the galaxy. The VI on Ilos and vendetta belonged to different protheans in different sections of the galaxy. In fact Vendetta is capable of assisting with the crucible. Javik admits to have no knowledge of the crucible since they had no communications with the team that were working on it. This allows for the sabotage to be possible.

The VI on Ilos can sense indoctrination as well, hence, the pods were in tact as long as they could.

Becasuse Shepard is allready far ahead in indoctrination and they might as well let him dream. For all we know the halucination at low EMs is Harbingers final insult meaning when Shepard wakes up all he finds is Harbinger looming over him.

Remember the Reapers can actively choose to focus on certain people in Indoctrination as slow steady Indocrtination is possible where the Reaper creates a thrall that can last years, taht is the kind of thrall they want in Shepard.

Andd off course Sword is gonna lose, no need or the Crucible if we could win without it. But if Shepard was Indoctrinated it could minimize Reaper casualties. If he said run a large potion of that fleet woudl run and he could easily infiltrate what resistance is left and take it down from the inside.

Maybe they even want Sheaprd as part of a reaper or as the next Collectpor General as Harbinger clearly had a personal interest in Shepard from ME2.

And Javik was at point in the cycle where they no longer thought they could win, they could only go into stasis to sruvive so clearly it was near the end.

Also Ilos never had any reaper invasion at all, if you actually knew the lore you would know that. The moment the invasion started the Protheans there cut of all communications and went into stasis. Any mention of Ilos must have been destroyed in the Reapers attack and the planet remained undetected, that is how they survived, there was never any Indoctrinated on the planet. The fact taht their buildings still stand on Ilos is testament to the fact taht the Reapers were never there.

Unless off course you refer to Saren...well Saren was as far ahead in Indoctrination as Kail Leng and a multitude of others it is not hard to see.

And you still dident address the fact that shepard is only in the process of Indoctrination and not Indoctrinated. That is actually pretty big as considering Indoctrination at least to a degree is caused by infrasound emitted from eaper tech, during a galaxy wide Reaper invasion i highly doubt there is no one who is not to some degree in the process of Indoctrination. They might only have had so small doses they dont suffer side effects yet, but practically everyone ahs been close to Reapers or Reaper forces by then.

[Dwailing]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Jusseb wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I'm still pretty sure that Shep is the Catalyst.
The Catalyst being nothing more than someone able to unite the galaxy.

I believe this to, also because one of the definitions of 'Catalyst' is "1. A person or thing that causes a change"

Hm, sorry for saying so, but a "we all are the Catalyst" has aquiered a certain taste of cheesyness after watching too many movies or series a la Doctor Who.

On the other hand, if we as the Catalyst were also the only one who could operate the Crucible (assuming it's a mass accelarator), it would allows for some epic video-gamey-ness.

So, Shepard would take command of the giant mass accelerator and start blasting Reapers?  I guess Shep really DOES punch out giant space Cthulhus.

[Gernbuster]

In my own oppinion the whole Catalyst plot is a lie. The Crusible is a Reaper trap of mass indoctrination. For example connected to the Citadel and activated it will send out a wave of indoctrination signals 1000x stronger then normal and therefore indoctrinate a whole system at once. Even more interesting the combined fleets of all species ARE in one system at that time, which would result in an instant victory.
Thats why finding a way to control the Reapers is the only possible solution. You can't win in a normal way against them. You have to control them and do a battlestar galactica plot and and let them all fly into the next sun, for example.
In this case you would have a lot of choices which can either safe the galaxy or lose the war.
Controling the Reaper, but keeping them could result in immunisation of the Reapers after some time and therefore a new lost war could start (epilog cinematic should be enough for this)

[HellishFiend]

Macross wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Actually I'm leaning towards the complete opposite of your idea, for the most part. 

Try looking at it this way:

The kid represents the indoctrination attempt. When Shepard approaches the kid, the resistant part of his mind (I like to call it "Anderson") tries to warn him by flashing the red light on him and blaring the Reaper horn. "Anderson" is basically saying "LOOK OUT! IT'S A REAPER!"  When he finally gets to the kid, the resistant part of his mind takes it a step further and lights the kid aflame. 

Then in the "final" dream at the end of the game, "Anderson" is gone, so we have only the player to continue to literally light the indoctrination attempt aflame by picking destroy. You even see one last image of "Anderson" picking destroy, demonstrating which option the resistant part of your mind would go with. 

See, I can understand that idea but it doesn't answer why the kid runaways from Shepard and why Shep is constantly chasing the kid (I'm intepreting it as Shepard is Indoctrated and the kid bit is running away from him). I think the kid was geniuenly ment to represent innonce in those dreams and Starbinger taking on his form at the end was meant to represent that innocence being twisted.

I gues the kid running away could be explained by saying Starbinger was trying to lead Shepard towards Indoctrination but I feel that's to convulted and that the one above is much simpler. Of course this is just my opinion.

I think he is running away from the mind's attempt at calling him out, basically. 

[paxxton]

Dwailing wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Jusseb wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I'm still pretty sure that Shep is the Catalyst.
The Catalyst being nothing more than someone able to unite the galaxy.

I believe this to, also because one of the definitions of 'Catalyst' is "1. A person or thing that causes a change"

Hm, sorry for saying so, but a "we all are the Catalyst" has aquiered a certain taste of cheesyness after watching too many movies or series a la Doctor Who.

On the other hand, if we as the Catalyst were also the only one who could operate the Crucible (assuming it's a mass accelarator), it would allows for some epic video-gamey-ness.

So, Shepard would take command of the giant mass accelerator and start blasting Reapers?  I guess Shep really DOES punch out giant space Cthulhus.

Blah blah blah.  Shepard being the Catalyst would be too simple. It's much better the way it's now - a component of the Crucible.

Modifié par paxxton, 12 juin 2012 - 03:16 .

[Dwailing]

I'm curious, there's a statue in Hock's vault in ME2 that Kasumi describes as, "Oddly relaxing." It's that weird ball like thing. Does this thing pop up in ME3 at all?

[Dwailing]

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Jusseb wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I'm still pretty sure that Shep is the Catalyst.
The Catalyst being nothing more than someone able to unite the galaxy.

I believe this to, also because one of the definitions of 'Catalyst' is "1. A person or thing that causes a change"

Hm, sorry for saying so, but a "we all are the Catalyst" has aquiered a certain taste of cheesyness after watching too many movies or series a la Doctor Who.

On the other hand, if we as the Catalyst were also the only one who could operate the Crucible (assuming it's a mass accelarator), it would allows for some epic video-gamey-ness.

So, Shepard would take command of the giant mass accelerator and start blasting Reapers?  I guess Shep really DOES punch out giant space Cthulhus.

Blah. Shepard being the Cattalyst would be too simple. It's much better if it's the way it's now - a component of the Crucible.

I agree that I like the way it is now.  I'm just saying that that would be an AWESOME sequence if they DID decide to use it.

[EpyonX3]

HellishFiend wrote...

Macross wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Actually I'm leaning towards the complete opposite of your idea, for the most part. 

Try looking at it this way:

The kid represents the indoctrination attempt. When Shepard approaches the kid, the resistant part of his mind (I like to call it "Anderson") tries to warn him by flashing the red light on him and blaring the Reaper horn. "Anderson" is basically saying "LOOK OUT! IT'S A REAPER!"  When he finally gets to the kid, the resistant part of his mind takes it a step further and lights the kid aflame. 

Then in the "final" dream at the end of the game, "Anderson" is gone, so we have only the player to continue to literally light the indoctrination attempt aflame by picking destroy. You even see one last image of "Anderson" picking destroy, demonstrating which option the resistant part of your mind would go with. 

See, I can understand that idea but it doesn't answer why the kid runaways from Shepard and why Shep is constantly chasing the kid (I'm intepreting it as Shepard is Indoctrated and the kid bit is running away from him). I think the kid was geniuenly ment to represent innonce in those dreams and Starbinger taking on his form at the end was meant to represent that innocence being twisted.

I gues the kid running away could be explained by saying Starbinger was trying to lead Shepard towards Indoctrination but I feel that's to convulted and that the one above is much simpler. Of course this is just my opinion.

I think he is running away from the mind's attempt at calling him out, basically. 

Why does the Shepard's mind sound like a reaper and gives off reaper red light?

[HellishFiend]

EpyonX3 wrote...


Why does the Shepard's mind sound like a reaper and gives off reaper red light?

How else would you suggest that "Anderson" warn him that it's a Reaper manifestation? Can you think of a better way?

[paxxton]

Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Jusseb wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I'm still pretty sure that Shep is the Catalyst.
The Catalyst being nothing more than someone able to unite the galaxy.

I believe this to, also because one of the definitions of 'Catalyst' is "1. A person or thing that causes a change"

Hm, sorry for saying so, but a "we all are the Catalyst" has aquiered a certain taste of cheesyness after watching too many movies or series a la Doctor Who.

On the other hand, if we as the Catalyst were also the only one who could operate the Crucible (assuming it's a mass accelarator), it would allows for some epic video-gamey-ness.

So, Shepard would take command of the giant mass accelerator and start blasting Reapers?  I guess Shep really DOES punch out giant space Cthulhus.

Blah. Shepard being the Cattalyst would be too simple. It's much better if it's the way it's now - a component of the Crucible.

I agree that I like the way it is now.  I'm just saying that that would be an AWESOME sequence if they DID decide to use it.

Shepard drawing the Crucible like a Predator. Hmm...maybe. It's not too far in terms of unbelieavability from Shepard reentering Earth's atmosphere riding on the Citadel arm like a giant space snowboard.

[MaximizedAction]

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


Why does the Shepard's mind sound like a reaper and gives off reaper red light?

How else would you suggest that "Anderson" warn him that it's a Reaper manifestation? Can you think of a better way?

Oh, so you think that the dreams are completely created by Shepard's mind and not directly staged by the Reapers?

[HellishFiend]

Rifneno wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Not at all. I've acknowledged repeatedly that I could be wrong and
will admit to it both in text and video should IT be correct. I only
hope that if IT is true that they do it well and close any other plot
holes that IT might bring up.

And to answer your last question, I'm going with the first part.

What plot holes? I hear literalists talk about the plot holes of IT all the time but I've never heard what those supposed plot holes are. IT closes a ton of plot holes but I can't think of any that it creates.

This. I see it all the time when I venture out of this topic but I am usually not inclined to get into discussions with them because their negative passion about the ending clouds their objectivity and judgement.  Or they're just a troll. Either way, not worth it. 

[HellishFiend]

MaximizedAction wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


Why does the Shepard's mind sound like a reaper and gives off reaper red light?

How else would you suggest that "Anderson" warn him that it's a Reaper manifestation? Can you think of a better way?

Oh, so you think that the dreams are completely created by Shepard's mind and not directly staged by the Reapers?

No, Shepard's mind is the stage, while the "actors" (kid, shadows, whispers, etc) are the Reaper manifestations. If you put yourself in a more symbolic mindset (which dreams are, coincidentally), it makes more sense to look at it that way, in my opinion. 

[MaximizedAction]

HellishFiend wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


Why does the Shepard's mind sound like a reaper and gives off reaper red light?

How else would you suggest that "Anderson" warn him that it's a Reaper manifestation? Can you think of a better way?

Oh, so you think that the dreams are completely created by Shepard's mind and not directly staged by the Reapers?

No, Shepard's mind is the stage, while the "actors" (kid, shadows, whispers, etc) are the Reaper manifestations. If you put yourself in a more symbolic mindset (which dreams are, coincidentally), it makes more sense to look at it that way, in my opinion. 

*notbad.jpg*

Simplifies the whole thing greatly! But then who's writing the screenplay within that metaphor? The Reapers can't write to much of it or else it feels forced and this causes indoc. to fail, right?

[UrgentArchengel]

HellishFiend wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Not at all. I've acknowledged repeatedly that I could be wrong and
will admit to it both in text and video should IT be correct. I only
hope that if IT is true that they do it well and close any other plot
holes that IT might bring up.

And to answer your last question, I'm going with the first part.

What plot holes? I hear literalists talk about the plot holes of IT all the time but I've never heard what those supposed plot holes are. IT closes a ton of plot holes but I can't think of any that it creates.

This. I see it all the time when I venture out of this topic but I am usually not inclined to get into discussions with them because their negative passion about the ending clouds their objectivity and judgement.  Or they're just a troll. Either way, not worth it. 

Yeah, every time I tell them that, they get very sensitive and hostile.  Don't really blame them though, but sometimes it's best to be rational, and not emotional.

[HellishFiend]

MaximizedAction wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


Why does the Shepard's mind sound like a reaper and gives off reaper red light?

How else would you suggest that "Anderson" warn him that it's a Reaper manifestation? Can you think of a better way?

Oh, so you think that the dreams are completely created by Shepard's mind and not directly staged by the Reapers?

No, Shepard's mind is the stage, while the "actors" (kid, shadows, whispers, etc) are the Reaper manifestations. If you put yourself in a more symbolic mindset (which dreams are, coincidentally), it makes more sense to look at it that way, in my opinion. 

*notbad.jpg*

Simplifies the whole thing greatly! But then who's writing the screenplay within that metaphor? The Reapers can't write to much of it or else it feels forced and this causes indoc. to fail, right?

Exactly. Which is why Shepard's resistant portion, "Anderson", is able to effect enough control to assist Shepard with staving off the process throughout the game using the red light, Reaper horns, and fire. 

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Gernbuster wrote...

In my own oppinion the whole Catalyst plot is a lie. The Crusible is a Reaper trap of mass indoctrination. For example connected to the Citadel and activated it will send out a wave of indoctrination signals 1000x stronger then normal and therefore indoctrinate a whole system at once. Even more interesting the combined fleets of all species ARE in one system at that time, which would result in an instant victory.
Thats why finding a way to control the Reapers is the only possible solution. You can't win in a normal way against them. You have to control them and do a battlestar galactica plot and and let them all fly into the next sun, for example.
In this case you would have a lot of choices which can either safe the galaxy or lose the war.
Controling the Reaper, but keeping them could result in immunisation of the Reapers after some time and therefore a new lost war could start (epilog cinematic should be enough for this)

The idea of a mass Indoctrination device rasies the gigantic plot hole of why the Reapers even bother protecting the Citadel then? Let the united fleet capture it and connect the Crucible while the Reapers laugh or whatever at safe distance without losing a single ship.

And you seriusly think we can control the reapers in any way? Anyone who ever adviced that was Indoctrinated, but to give a much better example of why controlling the Reapers is as feasible as warping a black hole to our will.

The Quarians who are incredibly gifted tech wise created the Geth and after beeing driven of used 300 years coming up with a viable electronic weapon against them.

That weapon was completely negated by a few Reaper upgrades.

300 years of work on a weapon against a race of machines you created yourself and the Reapers counter it in moments. Good luck making somthing that works against the Reapers <_<

[MaximizedAction]

HellishFiend wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


Why does the Shepard's mind sound like a reaper and gives off reaper red light?

How else would you suggest that "Anderson" warn him that it's a Reaper manifestation? Can you think of a better way?

Oh, so you think that the dreams are completely created by Shepard's mind and not directly staged by the Reapers?

No, Shepard's mind is the stage, while the "actors" (kid, shadows, whispers, etc) are the Reaper manifestations. If you put yourself in a more symbolic mindset (which dreams are, coincidentally), it makes more sense to look at it that way, in my opinion. 

*notbad.jpg*

Simplifies the whole thing greatly! But then who's writing the screenplay within that metaphor? The Reapers can't write to much of it or else it feels forced and this causes indoc. to fail, right?

Exactly. Which is why Shepard's resistant portion, "Anderson", is able to effect enough control to assist Shepard with staving off the process throughout the game using the red light, Reaper horns, and fire. 

Ahhhh, NOW I get it!

If we take the PTSD position, then the growls and red light represent just the Reapers chasing down the boy Shepard couldn't save.

If, however, we assume the IT position, then the growls should NOT be Reapers signs caused by the Reapers themselves or otherwise they'd reveal themselves, which would be stupid. The growls, within the context of indoc. are signs of failed indoc., just like the one in Vancouver during the vent scene. And that obviously are not caused by the Reapers themselves, but it's Shepard's part of the mind that's still resisting, or "Admiral Anderson".

If I got it correctly, then this is very clever, indeed!

[HellishFiend]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Not at all. I've acknowledged repeatedly that I could be wrong and
will admit to it both in text and video should IT be correct. I only
hope that if IT is true that they do it well and close any other plot
holes that IT might bring up.

And to answer your last question, I'm going with the first part.

What plot holes? I hear literalists talk about the plot holes of IT all the time but I've never heard what those supposed plot holes are. IT closes a ton of plot holes but I can't think of any that it creates.

1) The message at the end says Shepard ended the reaper threat, IT suggests the reapers are still alive at the end still harvesting.

2) The start of the hallucination.

3) Why the catalyst gives you a way out even though they've pretty much had full control over what Shepard sees throught the hallucination.

4) Vendetta does not recognize Shepard of being indoctrinated. If he's under the process of indoctrination, why doesn't shepard suffer the symptoms of it while awake? Shepard's indoctrination is different than others.

Those are some off the top of my head. I'm sure there are more.

1) I believe the message just implies that Shepard believes he has ended the Reaper threat. 

2) Lack of consensus in a literary interpretation does not constitute a plot hole. 

3) This is a fundamental misunderstanding of IT. The only way to defeat indoctrination is to make oneself aware of it and reject it. If the Reapers slip up and make Shepard aware of it, they will fail. As I've pointed out many times before, if the "catalyst" fails to give Shepard an option that fits with his natural inclinations (destroy or control, based on your collector base choice), Shepard and/or the Player would call BS, resulting in failure of the indoc process. 

4) Another fundamental misunderstanding of IT. It is already established that Protheans did not have infallible indoctrination detection. Additionally, it is only established throughout the course of the trilogy that the VIs can detect indoctrination due to Reaper tech implants. There is no established precedent for a Prothean VI detecting subtle, non Reaper tech-based indoctrination.

Sorry, but you fail to poke any plot holes in IT at all with those points. 1 and 2 are matters of personal interpretation, which cant be seen as plot holes. 3 and 4 are rooted in misunderstanding.

[HellishFiend]

MaximizedAction wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Exactly. Which is why Shepard's resistant portion, "Anderson", is able to effect enough control to assist Shepard with staving off the process throughout the game using the red light, Reaper horns, and fire. 

Ahhhh, NOW I get it!

If we take the PTSD position, then the growls and red light represent just the Reapers chasing down the boy Shepard couldn't save.

If, however, we assume the IT position, then the growls should NOT be Reapers signs caused by the Reapers themselves or otherwise they'd reveal themselves, which would be stupid. The growls, within the context of indoc. are signs of failed indoc., just like the one in Vancouver during the vent scene. And that obviously are not caused by the Reapers themselves, but it's Shepard's part of the mind that's still resisting, or "Admiral Anderson".

If I got it correctly, then this is very clever, indeed!

Thanks.  I hope I'm right, because as I've said before, I love symbolism, and my interpretation presents a lot more meaningful symbolism than any other way of looking at it, as far as I'm aware. 

[Gernbuster]

Yay one more of my theories which will get ignored. ^^

Most of the important renegade decissions makes it harder for you to collect EMS. Shep can get influenced by the Reapers from the very beginning of ME1, when Sovereign sends out its painful signal on Eden Prime. If you listen to the Reaper you help them. You kill the Rachni quenn, because the Reapers want you to kill a potential ally when they arrive(renegade). You kill Wrex because the Reapers want you to kill the legal strong heiress to the throne of Tuchanka (renegade) You choose Udina because the Reapers want you to destabilise the government. (renegade)
You choose to keep the collector base because the Reapers want Cerberus to use their tech. (renegade)
Sabotage genophage, kill mordin (renegade) Stop Legion to upload the Reaper code----->Geth die, quarians have losses(renegade)
etc etc

And finally think about the meaning of renegade for one second. A quit fitting synonym for it is betrayer isn't it?

[Riot86]

Just had a few spare minutes for a quick look around the apartment in London.

For some reason, the reflections on the wall in the whole room are really, really strange. They don't look anything like the surrounding, not even close.



For me, this reflection actually looks a bit like the Citadel Wards seen from a distance.



Am I seeing things or is there really a similarity?

Maybe the cubemaps used in the room are just some sort of "stock city cubemaps" used during the game. I actually didn't pay attention to the reflections in other missions much, to be honest.

But if this should be a unique cubemap used for this room alone, choosing something that doesn't resemble the apartment at all would be a strange decision from BioWare, wouldn't it?  Unless of course...

Modifié par Riot86, 12 juin 2012 - 03:48 .

[paxxton]

Gernbuster wrote...

Yay one more of my theories which will get ignored. ^^

Most of the important renegade decissions makes it harder for you to collect EMS. Shep can get influenced by the Reapers from the very beginning of ME1, when Sovereign sends out its painful signal on Eden Prime. If you listen to the Reaper you help them. You kill the Rachni quenn, because the Reapers want you to kill a potential ally when they arrive(renegade). You kill Wrex because the Reapers want you to kill the legal strong heiress to the throne of Tuchanka (renegade) You choose Udina because the Reapers want you to destabilise the government. (renegade)
You choose to keep the collector base because the Reapers want Cerberus to use their tech. (renegade)
Sabotage genophage, kill mordin (renegade) Stop Legion to upload the Reaper code----->Geth die, quarians have losses(renegade)
etc etc

And finally think about the meaning of renegade for one second. A quit fitting synonym for it is betrayer isn't it?

No, Renegade is someone who does good by outdoing others' evil.

Modifié par paxxton, 12 juin 2012 - 03:58 .