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[Dwailing]

GloryToChaos wrote...

Not to make any sweeping generalizations or anything but this whole indoctrination theory seems like a crazy cult.

Really?  Well, most Literalists seem to be illogical jerks.  Not to make any sweeping generalizations of course. <_<

Modifié par Dwailing, 12 juin 2012 - 08:31 .

[lex0r11]

[EpyonX3]

Arashi08 wrote...

After following HellishFiend's and Epyon's discussion, it got me thinking about something Anderson states midway into the game about London and how "something big is happening there." and this was all long before we learn the Citadel is the Catalyst and that before the Reapers move the Citadel there. And as it turns out, based on in game evidence, London IS significant to the Reaper's plans as they move the Citadel basically right over top of it to facilitate their harvesting of humanity.

So, looking at this even at face value, it seems like moving the Citadel to London was their plan all along. they start preparing for it midway through the game and then the Citadel is basically in orbit over London by the end.

So, based on the fact that the Reapers are mostly concentrated on Earth, Harbinger's personal interest in Shepard, and Vendetta's statement of the Reapers using the Citadel to complete the harvesting of humanity, and their supposed plan to turn humanity into a Sovereign-class Reaper, it seems pretty likely they were planning to move the Citadel there all along. The question now is, why did they wait until now to do it? were they attempting to weaken the galaxy's defenses first? were they trying to locate Shepard? or could it just be story convenient? I'm not sure, but to me it seems likely that when TIM informed the Reapers of Shepard's plan they expidited their plans, knowing the Crucible was finished. I don't believe they were scared, but they were being strategically cautious, OR if the Crucible turns out to be a trap,just trying to fool the invading fleets into thinking it was vital for them to protect it, yet it was almost too easy for them to get the Crucible in place...

Whether you believe in IT or a face-value interpretation it does see like something is amiss doean't it? Still, much of this is open to interpretation, as usual.

Edited for spelling

Good point.

I do believe that they did expidite the plans given that they were already three years late and that the organics were planning a huge attack. I can't say for sure that the reapers need the Citadel directly over the earth in order to process people. They cold have easily just pointed it towards earth and transported them that way, much like the coduit does on Ilos.

Moving it there could have done two things. One, make harvesting easier and two keep the Citadel from being used as a weapon.

[Dwailing]

lex0r11 wrote...

I think he's at the end of the last page.  Go nuts.

[UrgentArchengel]

GloryToChaos wrote...

Not to make any sweeping generalizations or anything but this whole indoctrination theory seems like a crazy cult.

Yeah, kinda like how "No disrespect" usually means "kiss my a**.". And no, it's not, to be a cult, we'd need crazies that get arrested first.  That's how actual cults get truly started anyway.  Anyway, I'm going back to worshipping my dark lord, Cthulhu :happy:

[Memnon]

I love the IT theory, and a part of me hopes that it comes to be - what I'm struggling with is the implementation of it from the beginning design stages to present day. If IT is to be believed, it has been an integral part of the design from the very beginning, from the child in the vents, the dream sequences, the scene with the Illusive Man and Anderson, etc. So that would imply that everything - including the ending in its current form - was done by design. And I guess that's where I get derailed, because the ending seems like it was tacked on sloppily and hastily. But even more, if IT was done by design from the beginning, then why the surprise on Bioware's part regarding fan reaction towards the ending; why call it artistic choice and defend it, and why flat-out state that they are not changing the endings? Is this all a part of the ruse, a part of the indoctrination? If it is, then it's absolutely brilliant ... but it is difficult for me to believe that everything that has transpired up until this point has been by precise design. I really hope that I'm wrong and falling victim to my cynical nature, but I'm prepared to be disappointed

Modifié par Stornskar, 12 juin 2012 - 08:43 .

[GloryToChaos]

Have you ever heard of the church of Scientology? I have a feeling you'd like it.

[Big Bad]

GloryToChaos wrote...

Not to make any sweeping generalizations or anything but this whole indoctrination theory seems like a crazy cult.

If you are going to troll, please at least put a little effort into it. My pet tarantulas could troll this thread with far more skill and intelligence than your sad attempt exhibited. Frankly, I am embarrassed on your behalf. Have some dignity, sir!

[UrgentArchengel]

GloryToChaos wrote...

Have you ever heard of the church of Scientology? I have a feeling you'd like it.

Nope, it's just plain hilarious.  Quit trollin' while your still ahead.

[lex0r11]

GloryToChaos wrote...

Have you ever heard of the church of Scientology? I have a feeling you'd like it.

[estebanus]

GloryToChaos wrote...

Have you ever heard of the church of Scientology? I have a feeling you'd like it.

Ever heard of idiotic bigots? I think you're one of them.

[MaximizedAction]

Stay focused people, remember what got the last thread locked - among other reasons, that is.

[estebanus]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Stay focused people, remember what got the last thread locked - among other reasons, that is.

Hiddenking was much more talented than this amateur!

[GloryToChaos]

I'm way too new to the forums to be a troll already. Anyhow, I've seen the indoctrination videos and you guys do have some really good points and you've clearly put a ton of effort into making the theory but I can't really buy into it. I can't believe they would make a game with an ending that isn't really an ending, you know? Especially with this extended cut thing coming up. Clearly, the destruction of the mass relays and the destruction/control of the reapers DID happen, hence the inexplicable crash-landing at the end.

It's smart, but it would take serious insanity to make something like that the actual ending. It just isn't done.

On another note, how does the indoctrination theory explain the scene with the crash-landing? I've never heard anything about it.

[paxxton]

GloryToChaos wrote...

Have you ever heard of the church of Scientology? I have a feeling you'd like it.

Why do you think so?

[UrgentArchengel]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Stay focused people, remember what got the last thread locked - among other reasons, that is.

Sorry mate, it's just too easy.  I'll behave.  :innocent:

[estebanus]

Also:

[paxxton]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Stay focused people, remember what got the last thread locked - among other reasons, that is.

Sorry mate, it's just too easy.  I'll behave.  :innocent:

The best way to deal with a troll is to challenge their thinking by using their way of reasoning to debunk their arguments.

Modifié par paxxton, 12 juin 2012 - 08:53 .

[Vox Draco]

GloryToChaos wrote...

Have you ever heard of the church of Scientology? I have a feeling you'd like it.

The funny thing about this whole "cultist"-insults is: Literalst often claim the following arguments: IT is false, because it is stupid, and IT-lers are delusional and it is never ever anywhere explicitly said in the game Shepard is fighting indoctrination...then IT-lers come up with endless posts of evidence based on the game, the lore, the expanded universe and so much more that maybe not proofs IT is/will be true, but that it is very likely possible!

Now just exchange "indoctrination theory" with "evolutionary theory" and you might see who really acts like the quasi-religious ones blind for any other interpretation than what they see as the only truth...  

[estebanus]

Vox Draco wrote...

GloryToChaos wrote...

Have you ever heard of the church of Scientology? I have a feeling you'd like it.

The funny thing about this whole "cultist"-insults is: Literalst often claim the following arguments: IT is false, because it is stupid, and IT-lers are delusional and it is never ever anywhere explicitly said in the game Shepard is fighting indoctrination...then IT-lers come up with endless posts of evidence based on the game, the lore, the expanded universe and so much more that maybe not proofs IT is/will be true, but that it is very likely possible!

Now just exchange "indoctrination theory" with "evolutionary theory" and you might see who really acts like the quasi-religious ones blind for any other interpretation than what they see as the only truth...  

BUUURRRNNNEEDD!

[UrgentArchengel]

Vox Draco wrote...

GloryToChaos wrote...

Have you ever heard of the church of Scientology? I have a feeling you'd like it.

The funny thing about this whole "cultist"-insults is: Literalst often claim the following arguments: IT is false, because it is stupid, and IT-lers are delusional and it is never ever anywhere explicitly said in the game Shepard is fighting indoctrination...then IT-lers come up with endless posts of evidence based on the game, the lore, the expanded universe and so much more that maybe not proofs IT is/will be true, but that it is very likely possible!

Now just exchange "indoctrination theory" with "evolutionary theory" and you might see who really acts like the quasi-religious ones blind for any other interpretation than what they see as the only truth...  

Greatest comeback ever, friend!

[GloryToChaos]

paxxton wrote...

GloryToChaos wrote...

Have you ever heard of the church of Scientology? I have a feeling you'd like it.

Why do you think so?

Something about a crazy cult that believes all kinds of fantastical nonsense about space aliens.

Anyways, I did ask a serious question, if indoctrination is indeed the answer, how does it explain the crash-landing scenes and the thing with the the stargazer? All the videos tended to gloss over it

[JasonSic]

GloryToChaos wrote...

I'm way too new to the forums to be a troll already. Anyhow, I've seen the indoctrination videos and you guys do have some really good points and you've clearly put a ton of effort into making the theory but I can't really buy into it. I can't believe they would make a game with an ending that isn't really an ending, you know? Especially with this extended cut thing coming up.

Why can't you buy into it? Bioware's done it before....

[byne]

GloryToChaos, can you please come troll later? With today's WoW server reset I now have both Thunderfury bindings and am busy farming for Arcane Crystals, and thusly I dont have time for trolls at this present time.

[paxxton]

GloryToChaos wrote...

paxxton wrote...

GloryToChaos wrote...

Have you ever heard of the church of Scientology? I have a feeling you'd like it.

Why do you think so?

Something about a crazy cult that believes all kinds of fantastical nonsense about space aliens.

Anyways, I did ask a serious question, if indoctrination is indeed the answer, how does it explain the crash-landing scenes and the thing with the the stargazer? All the videos tended to gloss over it

The Stargazer scene is BioWare teasing players (that despite Mass Effect 3 is over there is still more to come about Shepard at an unspecified future time). The crash landing can be easily explained if you have ever expierienced dreams while sleeping. Events there usually break causality which means they happen without reason and usually have no meaning (or sense).