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[estebanus]

spotlessvoid wrote...

I think given that it's unverified and not experienced by the majority of users posting in this thread, the EDI/destroy glitch/clue shouldn't be considered as evidence. I trust Estebanus, but we simply cannot, in the name of rigorous analysis, support that as a legitimate clue. Not without visual evidence or significant eye witnesses testimonies.

Check my post.

[Gernbuster]

http://bit.ly/MdPgEt #jk

XD

[olshi]

byne wrote...

GloryToChaos wrote...

Vox Draco wrote...

GloryToChaos wrote...
So let's talk about defense mechanisms, in particular, denial. We all agree, the ending was terrible, nonsensical and inconclusive. What it came down to was most people accepting that the ending was tragically awful and battering BIOWARE for a remake or a fix, etc, etc, etc. And then of course there are the people that went off the deep end, compiled an obsessive amount of details in order to create a fantastical ending to replace to the real one because they can't accept their own disappointment at the ending of the franchise.

So basically IT-lers try to get over their grief by being constructive, creative and optimistic, instead of giving in to endless hatred, cynism and defeatism?

This may lead to more disapointement in the end maybe, but at least IT-lers can claim one thing: They proofed that Bioware could have been so much better if they had actually tried...and for me, It-lers have won even if IT is never confirmed, because IT and everything about it is way superior than any literal explanation of teh current endings...and could lead to a far more worthy ending of the series, based on the Mass Effect Lore...

No, what I said was that ITers dealt with their grief with denial, which is the first stage.

Can you please tell me what we're denying, exactly? We all admit that if taken literally the endings suck harder than anything has sucked in a long time. No denial there.

I disargee. I've read many comments that say something like "I hope that IT is true, so I believe it." We are in that uncomfortable position that is easy to attack. But that doesn't tell us anything about the validity of the theory. So let's stick to discussing the evidence and not the possible motivations.

@GloryToChaos:
As I understand, the entire ending is a hallucination, which means there is no stargazer. The Normandy didn't crash. The galaxy isn't saved.
I would agree that there are lots of speculations about tiny details that seem too far fetched. But that's because the core evidence has been discussed to death in the last 3 months. Take a look at this.

[paxxton]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Aww, I'm not on the list. . Hope I am on the updated one.

The new list is like twice as long, I'm trying to find it right now.

I looked yesterday, and it took me forever on my phone.  Been with the group since the beginning, just want to make sure we all get credit.  Best way I can help.   Good thing I'm patient.

It's somewhere in this thread or maybe Arian posted it on a discussion board in our group.

Modifié par paxxton, 12 juin 2012 - 10:30 .

[Dwailing]

lex0r11 wrote...

Mark II 714 pages + Mark I 2286 pages = 3000 pages of awesomeness.

Arian Dynas wrote...



byne - Indoctrinationist 
lex0r11 - Indoctrinationist 
GBGriffin - Literalist Apologist
Ilbountyhunter - Indoctrinationist
estebanus - Indoctrinationist 
Earthborn_Shepard - Indoctrinationist
ExtendedCut - Indoctrinationist
Golferguy758 - Indoctrinationist
Simon_Says - Indoctrinationist
HellishFiend - Indoctrinationist
spotlessvoid - Indoctrinationist
Tirian Thorn - Indoctrinationist
Emperor_Ike - Indoctrinationist
Sero303 - Indoctrinationist
IronSabbath88 - Indoctrinationist
BatmanTurian - Indoctrinationist
Uncle Jo - Indoctrinationist Cynic
Rastlin Majare 1992 - Indoctrinationist
Dwailing - Indoctrinationist
MaximizedAction - Indoctrinationist
Balance5050 - Indoctrinationist
JadeBaby88 - Indoctrinationist
DJBare - Indoctrinationist Cynic
gunslinger_ruiz - Indoctrinationist
n00bsauce2012 - Indoctrinationist
Unschuld - Indoctrinationist
Big G13 - Indoctrinationist
Hawk227 - Indoctrinationist
protognosis - Indoctrinationist
Domanese - Indoctrinationist
schneeland - Indoctrinationist
Rifneno - Indoctrinationist
Nauks - Indoctrinationist Cynic
Asharad Hett - Indoctrinationist
Megumi Azusa - Indoctrinationist Cynic
NotAnotherDisplayName - Indoctrinationist Cynic
EpyonX3 - Indoctrinationist Cynic
Sammuthegreat - Indoctrinationist 
Vahilor - Indoctrinationist Cynic
marcelo_sdk - Nonpartisan
kyg_20X6 - Literalist
bigstig - Indoctrinationist
Big Bad - Indoctrinationist
Auralius Carolus - Indoctrinationist
TheConstantOne - Indoctrinationist
Gormane01 - Indoctrinationist
liggy002 - Indoctrinationist
Beast919 - Indoctrinationist
NeoDobby - Indoctrinationist
SubAstris - Literalist (get over it you hippie)
Arashi08 - Indoctrinationist
Phydeaux314 - Nonpartisan
MrRiadon - Indoctrinationist
Teddie Sage - Indoctrinationist
Eumerin - Indoctrinationist Cynic
AxisEvolve - Indoctrinationist
galaxy366 - Indoctrinationist
Dranume - Indoctrinationist
Revan67 - Nonpartisan
Sajuro - Nonpartisan
Luigitornado - Virtualist
Sereaph502 - Indoctrinationist
Nerana - Nonpartisan
Xellith - Nonpartisan
Foulpancake - Nonpartisan
Doomhams - Indoctrinationist
raeting - Literalist
KingNothin125 - Indoctrinationist
Serp86 - Indoctrinationist
AgentB406 - Indoctrinationist
Kirkknight - Indoctrinationist
Nobrandminda - Nonpartisan
AlCord - Nonpartisan
Aligalipe - Indoctrinationist
Gam3Ov3r - Indoctrinationist
ragewin - Indoctrinationist
movieguyabw - Literalist
Davnort - Indoctrinationist
Militarized - Literalist
FugitiveMind - Nonpartisan
Dr.Detective - Literalist
ibage - Literalist
M U P P 3 T Z - Nonpartisan
Asuka Bianchi - Indoctrinationist
Lord Nikon 001 - Indoctrinationist
SoulfulMiles - Indoctrinationist
Greed1914 - Indoctrinationist
Unender - Indoctrinationist
The Chosen Predator - Indoctrinationist
X-Frame - Indoctrinationist
kalamity116 - Nonpartisan
littleork - Indoctrinationist
XenoAlbedo - Indoctrinationist
John Locke N7 - Indoctrinationist
idunhaveaname - Nonpartisan
Adugan - Literalist
Odd Bet - Indoctrinationist
k8ee - Indoctrinationist
Stephanid98 - Indoctrinationist
CBGB - Indoctrinationist
RedDeadRemix
Manou1 - Indoctrinationist
iSpitfireee - Indoctrinationist
yummysoap - Literalist
Merc3ast - Indoctrinationist
Sundance31us - Indoctrinationist
Humanoid_Typhon - Literalist

And,
in addition, heroes we've forgotten; Beast919, First compiler of
evidence, Eumerin, first Cynic to present a solid argument, Dranume,
first to add evidence to the argument, following byne.

There's
the first wave of names, I managed to get to page 5, page 6 and beyond
are being worked on, and will be expanded, als includes anyone whom
popped into my head while I was working on this. This'll take a while
for our memorial, but feel free to chip in if you like.

Couldn't find the updated list.

I'm in the top 20!  
 

[HellishFiend]

I see our latest troll is of the "It cant be true if it isnt served to us on a silver platter accompanied by a complimentary Cliffs Notes" variety.

...and he's using my icon. Damnit!

Modifié par HellishFiend, 12 juin 2012 - 10:32 .

[UrgentArchengel]

Actually doesn't the stargazer scene happen after the breath scene? If that's the case, sadly the stargazer scene is real, and post Indoct.

[DJBare]

How about removing "cynic" from my name?, I.T is something I subscribe to, but I'm not going to flat out state that's Bioware's plan, I get a little annoyed when I see people state things as if they have insider information.

[HellishFiend]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Actually doesn't the stargazer scene happen after the breath scene? If that's the case, sadly the stargazer scene is real, and post Indoct.

Check out my theory on that issue. But dont step in the troll droppings. 

[estebanus]

DJBare wrote...

How about removing "cynic" from my name?, I.T is something I subscribe to, but I'm not going to flat out state that's Bioware's plan, I get a little annoyed when I see people state things as if they have insider information.

I'm kinda in the same boat as you are, even though I'm seen as indoctrinationist.

I hate it when people say that the IT is 100% true. I really just hate it.

[Arian Dynas]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Hey guys, I'm back. And I think I have bad news.

The cooling fan on my laptop has died.

Which for those of you who know how hot a laptop gets, is very very bad.

Anyone know a way to help?

What kind of laptop is? it can be fixed with some models...

If not might as well get a new one... i recently got a Acer timeline X with nvidea optimus For 800$ a few months ago.

Can run crysis o very high
Surprisingly thin
8hr+ battery.

Just a suggestion.....

This machine is still under warranty.

Due to an unconscionable degree of suck, I am going to have to send it to a service center.

Since I live in Alaska, and Hewlett Packard sucks, even though the population here rivals that of the largest city in Montana, due to not being in the lower 48 I have to mail it there.

Even though they are footing the bill since the fan was faulty and it was their **** up, I now will not have the option to collect my computer before I leave town.

Meaning that more than is likely, I will be completely off the grid for the next week.

This sucks.

This really REALLY sucks.

This sucks so much I can't even describe the quantities of suckitude.

Right now the only thing I even have access to is my old, nearly 7 year old machine. Which has difficulty running GIFS.

[Rifneno]

EpyonX3 - Indoctrinationist Cynic

lolwut

[UrgentArchengel]

HellishFiend wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Actually doesn't the stargazer scene happen after the breath scene? If that's the case, sadly the stargazer scene is real, and post Indoct.

Check out my theory on that issue. But dont step in the troll droppings. 

That kinda what I think as well.  It is obviously a message, but because it takes place so far in the future, it also could be real once we beat the reapers.  It just depends I guess.  But yeah, it real, and also a message in my book.

[byne]

Rifneno wrote...

EpyonX3 - Indoctrinationist Cynic

lolwut

I never understood why when putting the list together Arian listed Epyon as an indoctrinationist cynic. He's never believed in IT in the first place.

[Arian Dynas]

byne wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

EpyonX3 - Indoctrinationist Cynic

lolwut

I never understood why when putting the list together Arian listed Epyon as an indoctrinationist cynic. He's never believed in IT in the first place.

Actually, he did. But that list is very old and out of date.

[byne]

Arian Dynas wrote...

byne wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

EpyonX3 - Indoctrinationist Cynic

lolwut

I never understood why when putting the list together Arian listed Epyon as an indoctrinationist cynic. He's never believed in IT in the first place.

Actually, he did. But that list is very old and out of date.

Did he? I've used him as my example of a person who didnt believe in IT but was still reasonable for as long as I can remember.

[HellishFiend]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Actually, he did. But that list is very old and out of date.

I think that he was simply indifferent until the day came when we collectively chose not to subscribe to his theory that Shepard was on the Crucible. Nevermind the fact that his theory is rooted within the face value context, which is not the topicality here in the first place. After that, he officially declared himself Anti-IT. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 12 juin 2012 - 10:47 .

[paxxton]

byne wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

byne wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

EpyonX3 - Indoctrinationist Cynic

lolwut

I never understood why when putting the list together Arian listed Epyon as an indoctrinationist cynic. He's never believed in IT in the first place.

Actually, he did. But that list is very old and out of date.

Did he? I've used him as my example of a person who didnt believe in IT but was still reasonable for as long as I can remember.

I think he said something along the lines of him seeing IT's value.

Modifié par paxxton, 12 juin 2012 - 10:49 .

[paxxton]

Take a look at the jaw-dropping result of my poll.

Should Mass Effect 4 continue Shepard's story?
http://social.biowar...466/polls/34384

Modifié par paxxton, 12 juin 2012 - 10:55 .

[Arian Dynas]

Anyway Lex0r. The Memorial Wall can be found in it's entirety on page 335 of this thread.

It may need a bit of formatting. If you could do that for the rest of us, that would be most kind.

[Maffers]

**KOTOR Spoilers**

What the crucible might actually do.  Notice the part that kind of sounds like indoctrination.

[estebanus]

Well, I'm off again. See you all later!

[lex0r11]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Anyway Lex0r. The Memorial Wall can be found in it's entirety on page 335 of this thread.

It may need a bit of formatting. If you could do that for the rest of us, that would be most kind.

It is done.
Probably did something wrong, you guys just shout.

[D.Sharrah]

For anyone interested, Arian's "IT Memorial Wall" post can be found here:

http://social.biowar...ex/12047832/335

Don't think that this is the "final" version of it...but I haven't found it yet.

Edit:  I see that I have been 'd again...

@Arian:  Is that the final?  I saw the original post and the later post saying that it would be updated...but I assumed that it was not done (since I can't seem to find myself at all - and I could have sworn that I made a few meager attempts at involving myself in the discussion on the old thread - but it wouldn't be the first (or last) time I was wrong...okay enough of my parenthetical rant).

Modifié par D.Sharrah, 12 juin 2012 - 11:20 .

[UrgentArchengel]

Awesome list, I finally found myself. Now watch as a grown man giggles with joy.