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As long as we are talking about the future of ME...I think that the next game we should get to play as an Asari named Sheara...and no I am not biased at all.

Edit:  I had considred "Liapard" but it just doesn't sound feminine enough.

Modifié par D.Sharrah, 13 juin 2012 - 12:40 .


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D.Sharrah wrote...

As long as we are talking about the future of ME...I think that the next game we should get to play as an Asari named Shiara...and no I am not biased at all.

ShiaRa? Who is she? Posted Image

Modifié par paxxton, 13 juin 2012 - 12:36 .


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paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

As long as we are talking about the future of ME...I think that the next game we should get to play as an Asari named Shiara...and no I am not biased at all.

ShiaRa? Who is she? Posted Image


Edited it to Sheara...is that any more obvious?  If not ask Byne. Posted ImagePosted Image

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SackofCat wrote...

I have trouble keeping up with what ITists consider evidence or not.

Could someone tell me what, according to consensus, ITists consider to be the most ironclad, indisputable evidence that Shepard is being indoctrinated at the end of ME3 and that the ending occurs only in Shepard's mind?

Disclaimer: I have watched the 2 main YouTube videos in their entirety, read parabolee's rather long list of evidence as well as various other sources (mostly on this forum). I am also very familiar with the Mass Effect universe as depicted in games, books, comics, and wiki.

I remain skeptical and would like to discuss whether the evidence is valid and accurate.
Thanks.


IT isnt about a single, solitary piece of evidence that stands on its own. If there were such a thing, it would be arguable that Bioware failed at their attempt at making it subtle.

If I had to pick one though (despite the fact that I'm inclined not to), it would probably be the existence of the breath scene and the requirements for getting it. 

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TSA_383 wrote...

Also folks, I've got my main PC/temp studio setup working, ended up
switching to Presonus Studio One after having a total nightmare with my
Cubase license.
The long and short of which is that I now have an
even better setup for looking at audio stuff. So, if there's anything
anyone wants me to look into, post here and I'll do it tomorrow after
work (UK time).


Could you look through the ambient noise around the Normandy maybe, but mainly Shepard's cabin and post maybe a screenshot of that frequency peek(s) below 20Hz you reported about. The point of interest being of course the possibility of infrasound atmosphere built in by BioWare.
And could you also post which file it was that contains the ambient sound. I've tried to look for it myself but there are just so many files starting with Nor_...:lol:

Thx a bunch in advance!

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D.Sharrah wrote...

paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

As long as we are talking about the future of ME...I think that the next game we should get to play as an Asari named Shiara...and no I am not biased at all.

ShiaRa? Who is she? Posted Image


Edited it to Sheara...is that any more obvious?  If not ask Byne. Posted ImagePosted Image


inb4 lex0r and blue baby motivational. 

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MaximizedAction wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Also folks, I've got my main PC/temp studio setup working, ended up
switching to Presonus Studio One after having a total nightmare with my
Cubase license.
The long and short of which is that I now have an
even better setup for looking at audio stuff. So, if there's anything
anyone wants me to look into, post here and I'll do it tomorrow after
work (UK time).


Could you look through the ambient noise around the Normandy maybe, but mainly Shepard's cabin and post maybe a screenshot of that frequency peek(s) below 20Hz you reported about. The point of interest being of course the possibility of infrasound atmosphere built in by BioWare.
And could you also post which file it was that contains the ambient sound. I've tried to look for it myself but there are just so many files starting with Nor_...:lol:

Thx a bunch in advance!


I second this request!

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HellishFiend wrote...

SackofCat wrote...

I have trouble keeping up with what ITists consider evidence or not.

Could someone tell me what, according to consensus, ITists consider to be the most ironclad, indisputable evidence that Shepard is being indoctrinated at the end of ME3 and that the ending occurs only in Shepard's mind?

Disclaimer: I have watched the 2 main YouTube videos in their entirety, read parabolee's rather long list of evidence as well as various other sources (mostly on this forum). I am also very familiar with the Mass Effect universe as depicted in games, books, comics, and wiki.

I remain skeptical and would like to discuss whether the evidence is valid and accurate.
Thanks.


IT isnt about a single, solitary piece of evidence that stands on its own. If there were such a thing, it would be arguable that Bioware failed at their attempt at making it subtle.

If I had to pick one though (despite the fact that I'm inclined not to), it would probably be the existence of the breath scene and the requirements for getting it. 


I'd have to go with Shepard's eyes in control/synthesis.  When you consider they're exactly like TIM's, not just similar, and where TIM got his...  well, I've yet to see any remotely credible explanation.

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Rifneno wrote...


I'd have to go with Shepard's eyes in control/synthesis.  When you consider they're exactly like TIM's, not just similar, and where TIM got his...  well, I've yet to see any remotely credible explanation.


An excellent choice as well.

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D.Sharrah wrote...

paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

As long as we are talking about the future of ME...I think that the next game we should get to play as an Asari named Shiara...and no I am not biased at all.

ShiaRa? Who is she? Posted Image


Edited it to Sheara...is that any more obvious?  If not ask Byne. Posted ImagePosted Image

Dunno, it sounds like Sharrah. Posted Image jk

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HellishFiend wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

As long as we are talking about the future of ME...I think that the next game we should get to play as an Asari named Shiara...and no I am not biased at all.

ShiaRa? Who is she? Posted Image


Edited it to Sheara...is that any more obvious?  If not ask Byne. Posted ImagePosted Image


inb4 lex0r and blue baby motivational. 

No idea. Posted Image

Modifié par paxxton, 13 juin 2012 - 12:50 .


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paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

As long as we are talking about the future of ME...I think that the next game we should get to play as an Asari named Shiara...and no I am not biased at all.

ShiaRa? Who is she? Posted Image


Edited it to Sheara...is that any more obvious?  If not ask Byne. Posted ImagePosted Image

Dunno, it sounds like Sharrah. Posted Image jk


I think he 's putting shepard and liara together.

as in their kidPosted Image

Modifié par munnellyladt, 13 juin 2012 - 12:51 .


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paxxton

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munnellyladt wrote...

paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

As long as we are talking about the future of ME...I think that the next game we should get to play as an Asari named Shiara...and no I am not biased at all.

ShiaRa? Who is she? Posted Image


Edited it to Sheara...is that any more obvious?  If not ask Byne. Posted ImagePosted Image

Dunno, it sounds like Sharrah. Posted Image jk


I think he 's putting shepard and liara together.

LOL. Now I get it. Thanks! 

#17939
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paxxton wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

As long as we are talking about the future of ME...I think that the next game we should get to play as an Asari named Shiara...and no I am not biased at all.

ShiaRa? Who is she? Posted Image


Edited it to Sheara...is that any more obvious?  If not ask Byne. Posted ImagePosted Image

Dunno, it sounds like Sharrah. Posted Image jk


I think he 's putting shepard and liara together.

LOL. Now I get it. Thanks! 


Anytime.Posted Image

#17940
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paxxton wrote...

LOL. Now I get it. Thanks! 


lol, you must be tired paxxton, I was sure my hint wasnt very subtle....

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HellishFiend wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Also folks, I've got my main PC/temp studio setup working, ended up
switching to Presonus Studio One after having a total nightmare with my
Cubase license.
The long and short of which is that I now have an
even better setup for looking at audio stuff. So, if there's anything
anyone wants me to look into, post here and I'll do it tomorrow after
work (UK time).


Could you look through the ambient noise around the Normandy maybe, but mainly Shepard's cabin and post maybe a screenshot of that frequency peek(s) below 20Hz you reported about. The point of interest being of course the possibility of infrasound atmosphere built in by BioWare.
And could you also post which file it was that contains the ambient sound. I've tried to look for it myself but there are just so many files starting with Nor_...:lol:

Thx a bunch in advance!


I second this request!


I third this request, but I had another thought.  I remember people mentioning that they felt strangely disoriented during the Star-Brat dialogue at the end.  Could you look to see if there is any infrasound there?  'Cause that could maybe explain that feeling.

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HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

LOL. Now I get it. Thanks! 


lol, you must be tired paxxton, I was sure my hint wasnt very subtle....

I've drunk too much Coke. Posted Image I was thinking about Shiala from Feros.

EDIT: Actually, it was Pepsi. Posted Image

Modifié par paxxton, 13 juin 2012 - 01:00 .


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Dwailing wrote...

I third this request, but I had another thought.  I remember people mentioning that they felt strangely disoriented during the Star-Brat dialogue at the end.  Could you look to see if there is any infrasound there?  'Cause that could maybe explain that feeling.


Also worth looking into. Though if I had to guess, I think the disorientation in the decision chamber is based more on emotional manipulation (and to a lesser extent, the music) than anything else. 

#17944
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HellishFiend wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

I third this request, but I had another thought.  I remember people mentioning that they felt strangely disoriented during the Star-Brat dialogue at the end.  Could you look to see if there is any infrasound there?  'Cause that could maybe explain that feeling.


Also worth looking into. Though if I had to guess, I think the disorientation in the decision chamber is based more on emotional manipulation (and to a lesser extent, the music) than anything else. 


Yea their are weird sounds in the decsion room,if you get rid of the music the crucsible beam makes a weird sound.Posted Image

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Rifneno wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

SackofCat wrote...

I have trouble keeping up with what ITists consider evidence or not.

Could someone tell me what, according to consensus, ITists consider to be the most ironclad, indisputable evidence that Shepard is being indoctrinated at the end of ME3 and that the ending occurs only in Shepard's mind?

Disclaimer: I have watched the 2 main YouTube videos in their entirety, read parabolee's rather long list of evidence as well as various other sources (mostly on this forum). I am also very familiar with the Mass Effect universe as depicted in games, books, comics, and wiki.

I remain skeptical and would like to discuss whether the evidence is valid and accurate.
Thanks.


IT isnt about a single, solitary piece of evidence that stands on its own. If there were such a thing, it would be arguable that Bioware failed at their attempt at making it subtle.

If I had to pick one though (despite the fact that I'm inclined not to), it would probably be the existence of the breath scene and the requirements for getting it. 


I'd have to go with Shepard's eyes in control/synthesis.  When you consider they're exactly like TIM's, not just similar, and where TIM got his...  well, I've yet to see any remotely credible explanation.



or the whole switching of colors (anderson regenade red!? TIM paragon blue!?!?!?) 

and how 
saren opted for synthesis - indoctrinated
TIM favored control- indoctrinated
shepard- ???

#17946
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llbountyhunter wrote...

or the whole switching of colors (anderson regenade red!? TIM paragon blue!?!?!?) 

and how 
saren opted for synthesis - indoctrinated
TIM favored control- indoctrinated
shepard- ???


I agree with you, however most people wind up in the literalist camp because they dont want to look beneath the surface or invoke lore to look for explanations. They want the explanation served to them on a platter, complete with a garnish of their choice. Hence, the only thing that has any effect on them is "undeniable proof", which, as I pointed out earlier, would defeat the purpose of IT. So, they are just going to have to wait for the EC and be upset in the meantime. 

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HellishFiend wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

or the whole switching of colors (anderson regenade red!? TIM paragon blue!?!?!?) 

and how 
saren opted for synthesis - indoctrinated
TIM favored control- indoctrinated
shepard- ???


I agree with you, however most people wind up in the literalist camp because they dont want to look beneath the surface or invoke lore to look for explanations. They want the explanation served to them on a platter, complete with a garnish of their choice. Hence, the only thing that has any effect on them is "undeniable proof", which, as I pointed out earlier, would defeat the purpose of IT. So, they are just going to have to wait for the EC and be upset in the meantime. 


They'll be upset no matter what. :whistle:

#17948
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llbountyhunter wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

SackofCat wrote...

I have trouble keeping up with what ITists consider evidence or not.

Could someone tell me what, according to consensus, ITists consider to be the most ironclad, indisputable evidence that Shepard is being indoctrinated at the end of ME3 and that the ending occurs only in Shepard's mind?

Disclaimer: I have watched the 2 main YouTube videos in their entirety, read parabolee's rather long list of evidence as well as various other sources (mostly on this forum). I am also very familiar with the Mass Effect universe as depicted in games, books, comics, and wiki.

I remain skeptical and would like to discuss whether the evidence is valid and accurate.
Thanks.


IT isnt about a single, solitary piece of evidence that stands on its own. If there were such a thing, it would be arguable that Bioware failed at their attempt at making it subtle.

If I had to pick one though (despite the fact that I'm inclined not to), it would probably be the existence of the breath scene and the requirements for getting it. 


I'd have to go with Shepard's eyes in control/synthesis.  When you consider they're exactly like TIM's, not just similar, and where TIM got his...  well, I've yet to see any remotely credible explanation.



or the whole switching of colors (anderson regenade red!? TIM paragon blue!?!?!?) 

and how 
saren opted for synthesis - indoctrinated
TIM favored control- indoctrinated
shepard- ???


Yea or the bullet wound shepard gave anderson and then magically moved to him.

I'm no doctor,but i don't think bullet wounds are contageousPosted ImagePosted Image 

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munnellyladt wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

SackofCat wrote...

I have trouble keeping up with what ITists consider evidence or not.

Could someone tell me what, according to consensus, ITists consider to be the most ironclad, indisputable evidence that Shepard is being indoctrinated at the end of ME3 and that the ending occurs only in Shepard's mind?

Disclaimer: I have watched the 2 main YouTube videos in their entirety, read parabolee's rather long list of evidence as well as various other sources (mostly on this forum). I am also very familiar with the Mass Effect universe as depicted in games, books, comics, and wiki.

I remain skeptical and would like to discuss whether the evidence is valid and accurate.
Thanks.


IT isnt about a single, solitary piece of evidence that stands on its own. If there were such a thing, it would be arguable that Bioware failed at their attempt at making it subtle.

If I had to pick one though (despite the fact that I'm inclined not to), it would probably be the existence of the breath scene and the requirements for getting it. 


I'd have to go with Shepard's eyes in control/synthesis.  When you consider they're exactly like TIM's, not just similar, and where TIM got his...  well, I've yet to see any remotely credible explanation.



or the whole switching of colors (anderson regenade red!? TIM paragon blue!?!?!?) 

and how 
saren opted for synthesis - indoctrinated
TIM favored control- indoctrinated
shepard- ???


Yea or the bullet wound shepard gave anderson and then magically moved to him.

I'm no doctor,but i don't think bullet wounds are contageousPosted ImagePosted Image 


Space Magic: Still in full effect in a Literalist view point. :wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard:

Modifié par Dwailing, 13 juin 2012 - 01:07 .


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Dwailing wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

I'm no doctor,but i don't think bullet wounds are contageousPosted ImagePosted Image 


Space Magic: Still in full effect in a Literalist view point. :wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard:


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