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Is anyone else loosing faith in IT? I want to believe it's going to happen, but the more I hear from VA's and Bioware the more I doubt it.

This comes after the recent Kimberley Brooks interview where she says the EC DLC will "clarify" and "justify" the current endings, nothing more.


Two days after the game was released Michael Gamble, one of the devs, tweeted that if we only knew what Bioware had planned, our reactions to the ending would be different and we would hold on to our copy of Mass Effect 3 forever.  So, long before the EC was ever announced, they had big plans.  Sounds like a lot more than clarification.  I'll take Gamble's word over Brooks' (actually I don't even know who she is).

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HellishFiend wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Is anyone else loosing faith in IT? I want to believe it's going to happen, but the more I hear from VA's and Bioware the more I doubt it.

This comes after the recent Kimberley Brooks interview where she says the EC DLC will "clarify" and "justify" the current endings, nothing more.


Can you explain why you feel that the act of clarification and justification can only apply to the face value interpretation?

If someone does something you think is weird, or wrong, and they "clarify and justify" it to you, it doesnt mean they did something different, it just explains why they did it. If IT is correct, "clarify and justify" fits perfectly, because it clarifies that the endings as we see them didnt occur in reality, and justifies the reasons why things happen the way they do in the manner they are presented to the player. 


Especially 'justify'. That to me lends more credence to IT than face value. Unless 'justify' is used to explain the context of the ending using things outside of the game; like budget, time, bad writing... Maybe Conrad Verner will narrate on those issues for us to justify a 'face value' approach to the ending.

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Big Bad wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Is anyone else loosing faith in IT? I want to believe it's going to happen, but the more I hear from VA's and Bioware the more I doubt it.

This comes after the recent Kimberley Brooks interview where she says the EC DLC will "clarify" and "justify" the current endings, nothing more.


Two days after the game was released Michael Gamble, one of the devs, tweeted that if we only knew what Bioware had planned, our reactions to the ending would be different and we would hold on to our copy of Mass Effect 3 forever.  So, long before the EC was ever announced, they had big plans.  Sounds like a lot more than clarification.  I'll take Gamble's word over Brooks' (actually I don't even know who she is).


I don't remember who it was, I believe it was Arian, said  that they were planning EC before they released it and only released the game to get more time to finish the EC and possibly IT.

Edit: I think it was his opinion, not like he would actually know if that was the plan. Or would he???? :huh: Maybe he is an insider to BioWare??? JK.

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 13 juin 2012 - 02:31 .


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TJBartlemus wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Is anyone else loosing faith in IT? I want to believe it's going to happen, but the more I hear from VA's and Bioware the more I doubt it.

This comes after the recent Kimberley Brooks interview where she says the EC DLC will "clarify" and "justify" the current endings, nothing more.


Two days after the game was released Michael Gamble, one of the devs, tweeted that if we only knew what Bioware had planned, our reactions to the ending would be different and we would hold on to our copy of Mass Effect 3 forever.  So, long before the EC was ever announced, they had big plans.  Sounds like a lot more than clarification.  I'll take Gamble's word over Brooks' (actually I don't even know who she is).


I don't remember who it was, I believe it was Arian, said  that they were planning EC before they released it and only released the game to get more time to finish the EC and possibly IT.


Yeah, Arian has a step-by-step, indepth plan regarding how BW may be rolling the EC and other DLC out and how that relates to IT.  I can't remember if it's in his sig or not, but it's a good read.

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Turbo_J wrote...

Especially 'justify'. That to me lends more credence to IT than face value. Unless 'justify' is used to explain the context of the ending using things outside of the game; like budget, time, bad writing... Maybe Conrad Verner will narrate on those issues for us to justify a 'face value' approach to the ending.


Clearly the current endings were actually a Conrad Verner fanfic, which gives BW the perfect opportunity to retcon and write new endings! Oh wait, they said there would be no new endings.... Guess we're stuck with getting clarification on Conrad's version. 

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Big Bad wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Is anyone else loosing faith in IT? I want to believe it's going to happen, but the more I hear from VA's and Bioware the more I doubt it.

This comes after the recent Kimberley Brooks interview where she says the EC DLC will "clarify" and "justify" the current endings, nothing more.


Two days after the game was released Michael Gamble, one of the devs, tweeted that if we only knew what Bioware had planned, our reactions to the ending would be different and we would hold on to our copy of Mass Effect 3 forever.  So, long before the EC was ever announced, they had big plans.  Sounds like a lot more than clarification.  I'll take Gamble's word over Brooks' (actually I don't even know who she is).


I don't remember who it was, I believe it was Arian, said  that they were planning EC before they released it and only released the game to get more time to finish the EC and possibly IT.


Yeah, Arian has a step-by-step, indepth plan regarding how BW may be rolling the EC and other DLC out and how that relates to IT.  I can't remember if it's in his sig or not, but it's a good read.


No, what I said was this;

Arian Dynas wrote...

To be entirely honest with you?

I don't think the EC was planned at all.

Does that mean I doubt IT? Heck no.

I think that the EC is Bioware doing EXACTLY what they said, making things more clear so that people can comprehend the ending better. For the simple fact that I think and continue to beleive their DLC plan worked out something like this;

1). Start up the ANN twitter feed, giving "Live realtime accounts" of the war and the events leading up to it, place the timeline to start the invasion on March 6th.

2). Design Mass Effect 3, plant clues both subtle and obvious to draw the interest of the fans, the ending is designed to be strange, out of place, but ultimately fulfilling and capable of satisfying the fans for now. Multiplayer is implimented to keep fan interest up. Fans keep speculating about the strange, out of place ending, staying involved and interested where normally they would finish the game and that would be the end of their thoughts on the subject.

3). Do weekly multiplayer events to make sure that the fans keep playing, even the casual ones, also integrate a story into multiplayer, since A. That's what Bioware does, and B. It gets fans involved in the story, they get to feel like real soldiers in the war. Multiplayer events coincide with classified major operations in the war, usually announced by Admiral Hackett.

4). Release single player DLC which again raises fan involvement and interest and keeps them playing, as well as speculating as more evidence and information comes in over time, in the ANN timeline, it is announced via the Twitter feed (usually the day before) and launched on the dates the events take place on.

5). Release multiplayer packs, representing various forces that enter the war over time, such as the Quarians and more Krogan as forces swell and increase, reflecting the alliegance of various forces, as well as their maneuvers against the Reapers. Which also keeps ME3 in the front of fans minds, interested, involved. thinking about, speculating.

6). Keep updating the ANN twitter feed, which eventually reaches the date of Chronos Station and the Seige of Earth, then to great fanfare, a final ending DLC is released, in which it is revealed the ending was in fact a big mind **** and that Shepard was facing indoctrination, some fans having realized this before, they reveal the numbers from the legend saves, showing the number of people they "indoctrinated" before allowing people to download this DLC, which follows the choice from their Legendsave, forcing them to live with the choice they made, showing them a different result and mission depending on their choices.

7). Mac Walters and Casey Hudson share a bottle of bubbly with Dr. Musyka and Gamble.

Unfortunately, they flubbed the "satisifed" part of the ending, but got the "strange and out of place" part spot on, so they need to make it clearer that it was intentional, so to salvage their original plan, they have to make the EC, which they didn't expect to have to make, and thus they are forced to defend the artistic integrity of their ending, which was meant to be intentional, yet most fans refused to interpret from the get go, not having to expect interpretative value from a videogame. It explains their comments that they didn't expect to make the EC, why they seemed "hurt" that we didn't like the ending, why they defended their artistic integrity so hard, and why they refused to change the endings that are, from face value, a bunch of stinkers, but from IT perspective, are positively brilliant.

Though I don't expect them to be following their original plan now, from the fan backlash, they likely decided it was a far better idea to just make the EC and squeeze in the ending content they originally had planned, potentially sans combat to win back the fans.

And even better? The funny thing about it? They aren't losing out on this at all. The only thing on the line is their reputation, which assuming this whole thing was planned will get completely turned around.

Returned copies? They don't lose any money, the distributing franchises like Gamestop and Amazon do, (considering Origin flatly refused refunds) and the only thing they maybe lose from them is reputation, which if they turn it around by revealing this massive plot twist? They just earned back AND MORE.

Sold games? Put in the used bin? Cerberus network all over again baby, people buy those used games, they already got their money from producing them, now they get to charge an additional $15 for the actual ending. Cash money.

Well what about the people who sold their games? Wouldn't you go out to buy another copy of one of the greatest games ever that was suddenly vindicated by the most epic twist in videogame interactive storytelling history? Especially since now with an ending suited to it, it's perfect? They just sold the same game to a person TWICE. Jackpot.

Lost reputation due to the worst ending in videogame history? Not quite, it's now being actually advertised as "The Most Talked About Ending in Years!" and there's no advertisement like free advertisement, and you KNOW people will buy it out of morbid cuiriousity to see if the ending is really that bad, and plenty will remember the good parts and think "Hmm, that game was fantastic for 98%" and potentially go back to buy the other two. Ca-CHING!

And the prestige! (not the Christopher Nolan flick) Bioware suddenly will be rocketed to the top again as brilliant storytellers, completely vindicated in the eyes of even their most curmudgeonly fans after the supposed fiasco of DA2, as well as having pulled off a plot twist that would make M. Night Shamaylan cry in jealousy, something other developers will dream of copying, but being completely unable to, cementing Bioware's reputation as tops in the videogame storytelling biz. EA will have conquered their reputation as this evil monolithic company, concerned only with making money (yet ironically, will be making more bank than ever, hmm funny, seems people don't mind that when they get what they want out of it.)

And revealing something this big? After the treatment the ending got on the news, you can BET this will be plastered EVERYWHERE. Yet more free advertisement. Not to mention everyone and their literature professor will be talking about it and dissecting it ala Kubrickian methods for years to come (just like we are now) they will have cemented their place as videogame legends.

Not to mention this will be a HUGE jumping off point for an entire FRANCHISE, Mass Effect just became mainstream, nearly as much as Star Trek and Star Wars, with a feature length movie, comic books, videogames, statuettes, three award winning games, the top of their respective markets, novels, patches, tee shirts, anime, all dragged into the limelight.

Think about it greedily if you must, EA is full of smart, undeniably greedy people, do you honestly think they would possibly turn down a gold mine like this, with literally NO downside? With movies and anime and novels and every kind of merchandising swag under the sun coming out with the Mass Effect name, ME is a franchise they are pushing HARD. IT is a win-win suitation for them, if Bioware DIDN'T do it or plan it, EA would be leaning on them anyway TO do it, their artistic integrity be damned! And yet Bioware gets to pull off a first in gaming, a truly interactive, involving storytelling experience, involving REAL roleplaying (not just Paragon and Renegade choices) with actual interprative vaue just like any well written novel, and a genuine artistic value.

It is literally a win-win suitation. And If I can think of it, you can bet your bollocks that EA and Bioware would.



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HellishFiend wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

There you are, Arian! Do you feel up to responding to SackofCat's post?


I was actually going to give it a shot, but I'll let Arian take this one.

I will, however reiterate that you cannot focus on one things that will simply expose IT. As Liara and Vendetta would say, the pattern is there, hidden in the data.


Hey Turbo, I had a post of yours set aside that had some things you wanted corroborated from your investigation into London, but I think I accidentally closed the tab it was in when I was cleaning up. Do you happen to remember where it was?


It's here, about half way down I think.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12047832/698

Modifié par Turbo_J, 13 juin 2012 - 02:33 .


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Jade8aby88 wrote...

Is anyone else loosing faith in IT? I want to believe it's going to happen, but the more I hear from VA's and Bioware the more I doubt it.

This comes after the recent Kimberley Brooks interview where she says the EC DLC will "clarify" and "justify" the current endings, nothing more.


I've had a hard time believing that IT was planned from the very beginning - but I've hoped that they would implement it in some form (or at least let the ending be a dream sequence). But I'm with you, based on everything that is made public by the voice actors and Bioware make me dread the EC coming out now. The issue with the end wasn't that it was poorly-explained; it was that it was terrible ... 

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Is anyone else loosing faith in IT? I want to believe it's going to happen, but the more I hear from VA's and Bioware the more I doubt it.

This comes after the recent Kimberley Brooks interview where she says the EC DLC will "clarify" and "justify" the current endings, nothing more.


Two days after the game was released Michael Gamble, one of the devs, tweeted that if we only knew what Bioware had planned, our reactions to the ending would be different and we would hold on to our copy of Mass Effect 3 forever.  So, long before the EC was ever announced, they had big plans.  Sounds like a lot more than clarification.  I'll take Gamble's word over Brooks' (actually I don't even know who she is).


I don't remember who it was, I believe it was Arian, said  that they were planning EC before they released it and only released the game to get more time to finish the EC and possibly IT.


Yeah, Arian has a step-by-step, indepth plan regarding how BW may be rolling the EC and other DLC out and how that relates to IT.  I can't remember if it's in his sig or not, but it's a good read.


No, what I said was this;

Arian Dynas wrote...

To be entirely honest with you?

I don't think the EC was planned at all.

Does that mean I doubt IT? Heck no.

I think that the EC is Bioware doing EXACTLY what they said, making things more clear so that people can comprehend the ending better. For the simple fact that I think and continue to beleive their DLC plan worked out something like this;

1). Start up the ANN twitter feed, giving "Live realtime accounts" of the war and the events leading up to it, place the timeline to start the invasion on March 6th.

2). Design Mass Effect 3, plant clues both subtle and obvious to draw the interest of the fans, the ending is designed to be strange, out of place, but ultimately fulfilling and capable of satisfying the fans for now. Multiplayer is implimented to keep fan interest up. Fans keep speculating about the strange, out of place ending, staying involved and interested where normally they would finish the game and that would be the end of their thoughts on the subject.

3). Do weekly multiplayer events to make sure that the fans keep playing, even the casual ones, also integrate a story into multiplayer, since A. That's what Bioware does, and B. It gets fans involved in the story, they get to feel like real soldiers in the war. Multiplayer events coincide with classified major operations in the war, usually announced by Admiral Hackett.

4). Release single player DLC which again raises fan involvement and interest and keeps them playing, as well as speculating as more evidence and information comes in over time, in the ANN timeline, it is announced via the Twitter feed (usually the day before) and launched on the dates the events take place on.

5). Release multiplayer packs, representing various forces that enter the war over time, such as the Quarians and more Krogan as forces swell and increase, reflecting the alliegance of various forces, as well as their maneuvers against the Reapers. Which also keeps ME3 in the front of fans minds, interested, involved. thinking about, speculating.

6). Keep updating the ANN twitter feed, which eventually reaches the date of Chronos Station and the Seige of Earth, then to great fanfare, a final ending DLC is released, in which it is revealed the ending was in fact a big mind **** and that Shepard was facing indoctrination, some fans having realized this before, they reveal the numbers from the legend saves, showing the number of people they "indoctrinated" before allowing people to download this DLC, which follows the choice from their Legendsave, forcing them to live with the choice they made, showing them a different result and mission depending on their choices.

7). Mac Walters and Casey Hudson share a bottle of bubbly with Dr. Musyka and Gamble.

Unfortunately, they flubbed the "satisifed" part of the ending, but got the "strange and out of place" part spot on, so they need to make it clearer that it was intentional, so to salvage their original plan, they have to make the EC, which they didn't expect to have to make, and thus they are forced to defend the artistic integrity of their ending, which was meant to be intentional, yet most fans refused to interpret from the get go, not having to expect interpretative value from a videogame. It explains their comments that they didn't expect to make the EC, why they seemed "hurt" that we didn't like the ending, why they defended their artistic integrity so hard, and why they refused to change the endings that are, from face value, a bunch of stinkers, but from IT perspective, are positively brilliant.

Though I don't expect them to be following their original plan now, from the fan backlash, they likely decided it was a far better idea to just make the EC and squeeze in the ending content they originally had planned, potentially sans combat to win back the fans.

And even better? The funny thing about it? They aren't losing out on this at all. The only thing on the line is their reputation, which assuming this whole thing was planned will get completely turned around.

Returned copies? They don't lose any money, the distributing franchises like Gamestop and Amazon do, (considering Origin flatly refused refunds) and the only thing they maybe lose from them is reputation, which if they turn it around by revealing this massive plot twist? They just earned back AND MORE.

Sold games? Put in the used bin? Cerberus network all over again baby, people buy those used games, they already got their money from producing them, now they get to charge an additional $15 for the actual ending. Cash money.

Well what about the people who sold their games? Wouldn't you go out to buy another copy of one of the greatest games ever that was suddenly vindicated by the most epic twist in videogame interactive storytelling history? Especially since now with an ending suited to it, it's perfect? They just sold the same game to a person TWICE. Jackpot.

Lost reputation due to the worst ending in videogame history? Not quite, it's now being actually advertised as "The Most Talked About Ending in Years!" and there's no advertisement like free advertisement, and you KNOW people will buy it out of morbid cuiriousity to see if the ending is really that bad, and plenty will remember the good parts and think "Hmm, that game was fantastic for 98%" and potentially go back to buy the other two. Ca-CHING!

And the prestige! (not the Christopher Nolan flick) Bioware suddenly will be rocketed to the top again as brilliant storytellers, completely vindicated in the eyes of even their most curmudgeonly fans after the supposed fiasco of DA2, as well as having pulled off a plot twist that would make M. Night Shamaylan cry in jealousy, something other developers will dream of copying, but being completely unable to, cementing Bioware's reputation as tops in the videogame storytelling biz. EA will have conquered their reputation as this evil monolithic company, concerned only with making money (yet ironically, will be making more bank than ever, hmm funny, seems people don't mind that when they get what they want out of it.)

And revealing something this big? After the treatment the ending got on the news, you can BET this will be plastered EVERYWHERE. Yet more free advertisement. Not to mention everyone and their literature professor will be talking about it and dissecting it ala Kubrickian methods for years to come (just like we are now) they will have cemented their place as videogame legends.

Not to mention this will be a HUGE jumping off point for an entire FRANCHISE, Mass Effect just became mainstream, nearly as much as Star Trek and Star Wars, with a feature length movie, comic books, videogames, statuettes, three award winning games, the top of their respective markets, novels, patches, tee shirts, anime, all dragged into the limelight.

Think about it greedily if you must, EA is full of smart, undeniably greedy people, do you honestly think they would possibly turn down a gold mine like this, with literally NO downside? With movies and anime and novels and every kind of merchandising swag under the sun coming out with the Mass Effect name, ME is a franchise they are pushing HARD. IT is a win-win suitation for them, if Bioware DIDN'T do it or plan it, EA would be leaning on them anyway TO do it, their artistic integrity be damned! And yet Bioware gets to pull off a first in gaming, a truly interactive, involving storytelling experience, involving REAL roleplaying (not just Paragon and Renegade choices) with actual interprative vaue just like any well written novel, and a genuine artistic value.

It is literally a win-win suitation. And If I can think of it, you can bet your bollocks that EA and Bioware would.


Hahaha!  I knew you couldn't resist the bait!  :P

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It's here, about half way down I think.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12047832/698


Thanks!

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Big Bad wrote...

Two days after the game was released Michael Gamble, one of the devs, tweeted that if we only knew what Bioware had planned, our reactions to the ending would be different and we would hold on to our copy of Mass Effect 3 forever. 


I know this might be next to impossible, but could someone get a link to this tweet, or a copy of this tweet?

Modifié par Dusen, 13 juin 2012 - 02:36 .


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Well Big Bad, you are indeed, the master of bait.

Wait...

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Well Big Bad, you are indeed, the master of bait.

Wait...


Hmmm...no comment.  :innocent:

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Big Bad wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Well Big Bad, you are indeed, the master of bait.

Wait...


Hmmm...no comment.  :innocent:


I should go. 

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Well Big Bad, you are indeed, the master of bait.

Wait...


Not sure I want to jerk some puns out of that one...

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Dusen wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Two days after the game was released Michael Gamble, one of the devs, tweeted that if we only knew what Bioware had planned, our reactions to the ending would be different and we would hold on to our copy of Mass Effect 3 forever. 


I know this might be next to impossible, but could someone get a link to this tweet, or a copy of this tweet?


I posted a link to Gamble's tweet about a week ago.  I'll try to find it again.  Also, I should clarify what I wrote by saying that it's a paraphrase of both what Gamble wrote along with a tweet from the Mass Effect twitter feed that was clarifying Gamble's comment to somebody else.  I'm not sure if I'll be able to find the ME tweet, but I'll try.

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Big Bad wrote...

Dusen wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Two days after the game was released Michael Gamble, one of the devs, tweeted that if we only knew what Bioware had planned, our reactions to the ending would be different and we would hold on to our copy of Mass Effect 3 forever. 


I know this might be next to impossible, but could someone get a link to this tweet, or a copy of this tweet?


I posted a link to Gamble's tweet about a week ago.  I'll try to find it again.  Also, I should clarify what I wrote by saying that it's a paraphrase of both what Gamble wrote along with a tweet from the Mass Effect twitter feed that was clarifying Gamble's comment to somebody else.  I'm not sure if I'll be able to find the ME tweet, but I'll try.


Ok, here is the Gamble tweet

https://twitter.com/...942797880541185

"Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we are
planning...you'd, we'll - hold onto your copy of me3 forever."

I'll keep trying to find the other one.

edit:  cuz I suck at making links apparently.

edit 2:  here is the link to the second tweet I was talking about:

https://twitter.com/...686320568926209

"Mike Gamble already said on his twitter, if the fans knew what was in store, the reaction would be different."

Modifié par Big Bad, 13 juin 2012 - 02:47 .


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I should go. 


Yeah, I realized the lack of variety in Shepards exit. It actually get's annoying.....<_<

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Well Big Bad, you are indeed, the master of bait.

Wait...


Not sure I want to jerk some puns out of that one...


You'll have to think long and hard about it.

. . . thanks for finding the tweet Big Bad

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Dusen wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Two days after the game was released Michael Gamble, one of the devs, tweeted that if we only knew what Bioware had planned, our reactions to the ending would be different and we would hold on to our copy of Mass Effect 3 forever. 


I know this might be next to impossible, but could someone get a link to this tweet, or a copy of this tweet?


its on our flagship IT website!

http://masseffectind...n.blogspot.com/ 

click on "more evidence" at the bottom, its on the second page.

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Hey guys! Just poppin' in to bring about a point, I never really even considered before. However, it does fall under the same 'impossible, unrealistic, illogical' label for the endings. Which... most does. Still, it also seems pretty damn obvious to anyone who knows even the slightest about anatomy.

So Shepard is shot by Maurader Shields, right? In the shoulder. K. Then we see him wounded, and bleeding profusely from his abdomen. From God knows what occurence. However, case and point. Shepard had two flesh wounds, one which we KNOW is pouring blood, and the other which SHOULD be pouring blood. So... realistically speaking here, unless those wounds were dressed and sealing, Shep ole boy would be on the floor in minutes due to blood loss. Yet... this was completely ignored in the ending. Laziness? Forgetfullness? Or another clue that Shepard is not in 'reality'? It certainly is not realistic, that's for sure.

I'll post two of my responses from the thread that brought this to my attention. Taboo said 'his injuries weren't that bad' which I find laughable, and to which I replied:

"Wtf? He practically passed out on the way up to the catalyst. The guy was bleeding from his gut prefusely, yet when he reaches the star child, he seems perfectly fine apart from holding his side. He was BLASTED by a huge freaking Reaper laser which NOBODY else survived, and his 'injuries aren't that bad'?. He should be dead. He's barely alive. Barely.

Until of course he reaches the room with the catalyst, then his wounds seem to just disapear. It has nothing to do with how severe his injuries are. None of it makes sense. You can't rationlize what we saw in the final 2 stages of the ending. One minute he's passing out from loss of blood, the next he's up walking around conversing with the god child, and then breaks into a full on sprint? Its medically impossible, and literally absurd."

Then he explained how unless the gunshot hit a major artery, Shepard would be fine... apparently even if Shepard did not close off said gaping wound from Carnifex. Not to mention his abdomen wound. *sigh*

"You have got to be kidding...

He would be bleeding from his shoulder, whether he was hit in a major artery or not, he got shot by a powerful pistol through his shoulder. Unless he could stop the bleeding, which he did not, he would soon bleed out. Then we see he has a wound in his side, also bleeding prefusely. Two simultaneous wounds like that exerting that much blood, would have someone unconcious within an hr. If not much sooner. And he certainly would not be able to walk around, much less run with two gaping wounds in both his shoulder and abdomen. The guy would be on the floor hyperventilating. He would be losing oxygen by the second, because of his blood loss.

Not to mention he got blasted by a laser that one hit kills dreadnaughts. He shouldn't even be alive."

He then proceeded to say (Oh Taboo, always acting like he knows everything) that you can survive a gun shot wound. Hur... dur. No f******* duh, Galileo. To which my response was:

"Once again, you are ignoring the logic of my point. Sure you can survive a gun wound, WHEN ITS SEALED OFF TO STOP THE BLOOD FLOW. You don't just take a pistol to the shoulder, then whatever the hell to his abdomen, and limp on and ignore it. He would be bleeding PROFUSELY. Have you ever seen a real gunshot wound before? Seen what happens if its not sealed? You don't have to hit a major vein for it to bleed. You can cut yourself with a knife, and the incision may only be half an inch wide, its going to bleed until you stop it. To much blood flow cannot clot on its own. So if a simple half inch incision will bleed continuously, how much more will a gaping 2 inch wound left from a Carnifex?

There was no realistic action taken against either of his wounds. So it IS realistic to think he would not be conscious for very long at all. Within probably 20 minutes, he'd be on his knees just from the shoulder wound alone. A simple gun shot wound to body, without hitting any major vessels, can render you unconcious in half an hour tops if its not sealed. That's ALOT of blood to lose. This coupled with the wound to his abdomen which no one knows where it came from, would cause mental trauma pretty damn fast.

Also, with the whole shoulder 'in and out' argument, you bring up a good point, however one that disproves your assertion. IF it did indeed travel through his shoulder, he would have TWO wounds from which he'd be bleeding. Two exit areas from which blood would be able to flow, would just increase the amount lost in a shorter time.

Sorry, but there isn't a logical explanation for how Shepard is even standing 10 minutes after he sustains both these wounds. It is just not logically possible. If he had quickly applied medigel, maybe. But nothing of the sort happened. Realistically, he'd be unconcious within an hr, and dead not long after, unless the wounds were dressed and sealed. Which they were not."



Anywho. it just seems like another logical fallacy found in the endings. Shepard should not be alive with those wounds. Especially since they are not even addressed. Also, sorry if any of my punctuation or grammar was a little shotty with my responses, I wrote them quickly in response to him.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

2. We have high resolution shots of the Indoctrinated eyes in Synthesis lying around here someone, someone find Prettz, he should have some.


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And something to consider. If you look at it at face value, assuming you believe the Star child, Destroy has no purpose and no appeal. There is nothing about Destroy that is appealing compared to Control and Synthesis if you choose to believe that you are being told the truth. The only way it DOES have any kind of appeal whatsoever, is if you assume you are being lied to.


Oh my god, you know I never thought about it like that! And it's so true! At face value destroy is clearly the worst option. Indeed the only thing that makes it desirable is if you don't trust the Catalyst. Very interesting!

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What interview?


http://sticktwiddler...shley-williams/

@ HellishFiend, I know and that's the spin that's been put to every completely vague comment they've made.
I guess as long as they keep being vague, we can keep speculating.

@ munnellyladt, yes Ms. Merizan is rather good at keeping people guessing. Maybe they told her to do so....

@ Big Bad, you know honestly, at first, I thought this was just Gamble packing himself because of the response the game received. But I have thought about this quote more than any other quote or comment from Bioware since, I guess that says something in itself.

Finally, the doubt from the interview came mostly from saying that her work was "simple" voice acting, but I guess whether it's IT or face-value clarification, your squadmates may not necessarily have a big role.

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Dusen wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Well Big Bad, you are indeed, the master of bait.

Wait...


Not sure I want to jerk some puns out of that one...


You'll have to think long and hard about it.

. . . thanks for finding the tweet Big Bad


No prob.  See also my second edit for the other ME twitter feed link I mentioned.

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Big Bad wrote...

Dusen wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Well Big Bad, you are indeed, the master of bait.

Wait...


Not sure I want to jerk some puns out of that one...


You'll have to think long and hard about it.

. . . thanks for finding the tweet Big Bad


No prob.  See also my second edit for the other ME twitter feed link I mentioned.


What? No more innuendos? Pu$$y.

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