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Jade8aby88 wrote...

@ Big Bad, you know honestly, at first, I thought this was just Gamble packing himself because of the response the game received. But I have thought about this quote more than any other quote or comment from Bioware since, I guess that says something in itself.


I totally get that.  I'm not 100% sold on all of the details regarding IT, but that tweet along with some of the in-game evidence is all I need to believe that there is something cool in the works. 

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

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Well Big Bad, you are indeed, the master of bait.

Wait...


Not sure I want to jerk some puns out of that one...


You'll have to think long and hard about it.

. . . thanks for finding the tweet Big Bad


No prob.  See also my second edit for the other ME twitter feed link I mentioned.


What? No more innuendos? Pu$$y.


Okay, okay.  Let me reach around in my brain to see what comes up.

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Makrys wrote...

Hey guys! Just poppin' in to bring about a point, I never really even considered before. However, it does fall under the same 'impossible, unrealistic, illogical' label for the endings. Which... most does. Still, it also seems pretty damn obvious to anyone who knows even the slightest about anatomy.

snip*.


It's important to remember gun shots can be flesh wounds, where the bullet enters and exits in a clean manner, this leaves very minimal bleeding and sometimes even pain.

But yes, I agree with you, plus.. as if Marauder Shields would miss a vital artery or organ. That guys a boss!

The most compelling thing you spoke about wasn't the fact Shepard got shot by Marauder Shields, but that Shepard got shot by Harbinger! "A 2 kilometre starship with giant fricken laser beams!" ... That's why Shepard never actually got up, that's why she/he lay there under all the debris from Harbinger's laser, waiting for you to pick destroy... lol.

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My faith in I.T has grown because of the lack of information, Bioware are keeping way too quiet concerning the EC, one moment we get a flood of "supposed" leaks, the next almost complete silence, sure they don't normally give out spoilers concerning future content but they do tell you things that are non spoiler sometimes, with the EC it's nada, zippo, nothing., this is the quietest I've known them to be regarding upcoming content.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

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Arian Dynas wrote...

And I will now be honest and reveal my secret.

I am not some all knowing god who includes the name of everyone in the list.


(Presidium Fish Krogan Voice) What?


God.  That poor krogan.  I felt so bad for him.  He sounded like you just crushed all his hopes and dreams.  I'd expect a cheerier "what?" if I'd just told him his wife was leaving him.  For a salarian.



Well fine, if you're all so eager to believe I am one, then I demand worship! Worship and sacrifice! Worship me for cleric spells daily! My domains are madness and logic! Followers must fall within one step of Lawful Awesome.

And D. Sharrah. Check again, you're on the list now.


Thank you kind sir...you are truly a scholar and a gentleman! Posted Image

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

This comes after the recent Kimberley Brooks interview where she says the EC DLC will "clarify" and "justify" the current endings, nothing more.


IT is the only way to justify the current endings...

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Still in a pissy mood about my computer fan, since I need to mail the ****ing thing back to a service station.

In ****ing Seattle.

From Anchorage.

The week before I have to leave to attend my brother's wedding.

I hate Hewlett Packard right now.

But yeah, already working on her post.


I hope you have enough fun at the wedding that you forget all of your troubles...but not so much fun that you don't remember any of it! Posted Image

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Snip...


Arian - Every time I see that, I can't help but giggle in anticipation.  I really do you think that you have uncovered their evil secret plan...again, well done! Posted Image

Edit: Arian, you could just posting the link to your thread about it...maybe have Byne put the link in the OP.

Modifié par D.Sharrah, 13 juin 2012 - 03:10 .


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Jade8aby88 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Hey guys! Just poppin' in to bring about a point, I never really even considered before. However, it does fall under the same 'impossible, unrealistic, illogical' label for the endings. Which... most does. Still, it also seems pretty damn obvious to anyone who knows even the slightest about anatomy.

snip*.


It's important to remember gun shots can be flesh wounds, where the bullet enters and exits in a clean manner, this leaves very minimal bleeding and sometimes even pain.

But yes, I agree with you, plus.. as if Marauder Shields would miss a vital artery or organ. That guys a boss!

The most compelling thing you spoke about wasn't the fact Shepard got shot by Marauder Shields, but that Shepard got shot by Harbinger! "A 2 kilometre starship with giant fricken laser beams!" ... That's why Shepard never actually got up, that's why she/he lay there under all the debris from Harbinger's laser, waiting for you to pick destroy... lol.



Just bringing up the point, ANY kind of wound can kill you, despite what Hollywood says. Even a shoulder wound (especially where we can see Shepard got his) would be enough to potentially leave your entire arm useless, and could potentially kill you.

The only way that wound goes away that fast is because it's Shepard. Built in medigel dispensers in his veins and all that, but then that of course leaves the question of where the other one came from, especially since it wasn't there two minutes ago.

Oh and good news, old computer is back up and running, that's what I've been typing on, and on the plus side, it's less ****ty than I remember.

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

Is anyone else loosing faith in IT? I want to believe it's going to happen, but the more I hear from VA's and Bioware the more I doubt it.

This comes after the recent Kimberley Brooks interview where she says the EC DLC will "clarify" and "justify" the current endings, nothing more.


Not I...read the interview and that's just not the feeling that I got from it.  Its like, its too similar to what Bioware has already released...you know, the "company" line.  I am sure that just like all the other VA's she has a NDA - and I wouldn't be surprised if they are "coached" to say just that when asked that type of question.

Keep the faith strong!

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 Sorry about your problem Arian.  It like with the red rings of death on the 360.  You spend lots to buy the thing, then it breaks down, so now you either send it in for repairs or by a new one.  They just don't make tech good anymore.  Anyway, I hope it all end well for you mate.  Shame it had to happen.  :(

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Rassum frassum double post.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 13 juin 2012 - 03:09 .


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Arian Dynas wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Hey guys! Just poppin' in to bring about a point, I never really even considered before. However, it does fall under the same 'impossible, unrealistic, illogical' label for the endings. Which... most does. Still, it also seems pretty damn obvious to anyone who knows even the slightest about anatomy.

snip*.


It's important to remember gun shots can be flesh wounds, where the bullet enters and exits in a clean manner, this leaves very minimal bleeding and sometimes even pain.

But yes, I agree with you, plus.. as if Marauder Shields would miss a vital artery or organ. That guys a boss!

The most compelling thing you spoke about wasn't the fact Shepard got shot by Marauder Shields, but that Shepard got shot by Harbinger! "A 2 kilometre starship with giant fricken laser beams!" ... That's why Shepard never actually got up, that's why she/he lay there under all the debris from Harbinger's laser, waiting for you to pick destroy... lol.



Just bringing up the point, ANY kind of wound can kill you, despite what Hollywood says. Even a shoulder wound (especially where we can see Shepard got his) would be enough to potentially leave your entire arm useless, and could potentially kill you.

The only way that wound goes away that fast is because it's Shepard. Built in medigel dispensers in his veins and all that, but then that of course leaves the question of where the other one came from, especially since it wasn't there two minutes ago.

Oh and good news, old computer is back up and running, that's what I've been typing on, and on the plus side, it's less ****ty than I remember.


Yes, the wound should have AT LEAST rendered Shepard's arm useless, yet we see him having the strength to hold up a carnifex numerous times throughout the ending. Great logic, Bioware. Unless of course, you meant for us to catch that... ah, well then... ALRIGHTY!!

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Hey guys! Just poppin' in to bring about a point, I never really even considered before. However, it does fall under the same 'impossible, unrealistic, illogical' label for the endings. Which... most does. Still, it also seems pretty damn obvious to anyone who knows even the slightest about anatomy.

snip*.


It's important to remember gun shots can be flesh wounds, where the bullet enters and exits in a clean manner, this leaves very minimal bleeding and sometimes even pain.

But yes, I agree with you, plus.. as if Marauder Shields would miss a vital artery or organ. That guys a boss!

The most compelling thing you spoke about wasn't the fact Shepard got shot by Marauder Shields, but that Shepard got shot by Harbinger! "A 2 kilometre starship with giant fricken laser beams!" ...
That's why Shepard never actually got up, that's why she/he lay there under all the debris from Harbinger's laser, waiting for you to pick destroy... lol.


Yeah and when he gets up from surviving a giant beam he just happens to find a carnifex right next to his hand.......the one anderson was using 10 seconds ago.....no damage to it at all.....:whistle:

In my opinion there has to be significance to the gun because, why show plainly to everyone what gun anderson is using and then to go and change it a few minutes later?? (Plus mystery of the gun)



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Arian Dynas wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Hey guys! Just poppin' in to bring about a point, I never really even considered before. However, it does fall under the same 'impossible, unrealistic, illogical' label for the endings. Which... most does. Still, it also seems pretty damn obvious to anyone who knows even the slightest about anatomy.

snip*.


It's important to remember gun shots can be flesh wounds, where the bullet enters and exits in a clean manner, this leaves very minimal bleeding and sometimes even pain.

But yes, I agree with you, plus.. as if Marauder Shields would miss a vital artery or organ. That guys a boss!

The most compelling thing you spoke about wasn't the fact Shepard got shot by Marauder Shields, but that Shepard got shot by Harbinger! "A 2 kilometre starship with giant fricken laser beams!" ... That's why Shepard never actually got up, that's why she/he lay there under all the debris from Harbinger's laser, waiting for you to pick destroy... lol.



Just bringing up the point, ANY kind of wound can kill you, despite what Hollywood says. Even a shoulder wound (especially where we can see Shepard got his) would be enough to potentially leave your entire arm useless, and could potentially kill you.

The only way that wound goes away that fast is because it's Shepard. Built in medigel dispensers in his veins and all that, but then that of course leaves the question of where the other one came from, especially since it wasn't there two minutes ago.

Oh and good news, old computer is back up and running, that's what I've been typing on, and on the plus side, it's less ****ty than I remember.


My PC is about that old...but all I use it for is the interwebs, pretty much.  I will be tempted to get a new PC when Win 8 launches, curious to see how it affects multiplatform gaming (w/the whole Xbox Live being intergrated w/the new OS).

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Hey guys! Just poppin' in to bring about a point, I never really even considered before. However, it does fall under the same 'impossible, unrealistic, illogical' label for the endings. Which... most does. Still, it also seems pretty damn obvious to anyone who knows even the slightest about anatomy.

snip*.


It's important to remember gun shots can be flesh wounds, where the bullet enters and exits in a clean manner, this leaves very minimal bleeding and sometimes even pain.

But yes, I agree with you, plus.. as if Marauder Shields would miss a vital artery or organ. That guys a boss!

The most compelling thing you spoke about wasn't the fact Shepard got shot by Marauder Shields, but that Shepard got shot by Harbinger! "A 2 kilometre starship with giant fricken laser beams!" ... That's why Shepard never actually got up, that's why she/he lay there under all the debris from Harbinger's laser, waiting for you to pick destroy... lol.



Just bringing up the point, ANY kind of wound can kill you, despite what Hollywood says. Even a shoulder wound (especially where we can see Shepard got his) would be enough to potentially leave your entire arm useless, and could potentially kill you.

The only way that wound goes away that fast is because it's Shepard. Built in medigel dispensers in his veins and all that, but then that of course leaves the question of where the other one came from, especially since it wasn't there two minutes ago.

Oh and good news, old computer is back up and running, that's what I've been typing on, and on the plus side, it's less ****ty than I remember.


True, Im not going by what Hollywood says, I'm going by Medicine.
If the bullet was lodged inside somewhere, then yes it has a stronger chance to kill you. But if it passes straight through without damaging any arteries or organs, it can be as simple as stitching the wound or maybe some sort of venoplasty.
Forgot about Shepard's built-in medigel dispensers.. That would help. I always forget the upgrades at the research terminal in general actually, in that they become canon and not just some rpg gimmick.

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UrgentArchengel wrote...

 Sorry about your problem Arian.  It like with the red rings of death on the 360.  You spend lots to buy the thing, then it breaks down, so now you either send it in for repairs or by a new one.  They just don't make tech good anymore.  Anyway, I hope it all end well for you mate.  Shame it had to happen.  :(


It's called planned obsolesence my friend, and it is ruining our environment.

Though in this case, it's a fault in the fan, which has ceased to work, since it's still under warranty, it's a genuine mistake.

Luckily my computer works fine... other than the fact that it is right now incapable of regulating it's own heat. Meaning if I start it up and run it for any considerable length of time, it could fry the motherboard. Luckily it means I can still make backups, I only need to get the fan replaced and don't need to have the memory wiped, or anything of that nature.

As much as it chafes me to admit, yes this is not only the best possible time it could have happened, since I wouldn't get much of a chance to make use of it within the next two weeks anyway, it also should be relatively easily fixed. And it's free too.

Really as much as I would love to take TSA's adivce about bypassing warranty seals, in the end, this is cheaper, and I don't have to worry about maybe voiding a warranty willing to still cover me for another year.

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Hey guys! Just poppin' in to bring about a point, I never really even considered before. However, it does fall under the same 'impossible, unrealistic, illogical' label for the endings. Which... most does. Still, it also seems pretty damn obvious to anyone who knows even the slightest about anatomy.

snip*.


It's important to remember gun shots can be flesh wounds, where the bullet enters and exits in a clean manner, this leaves very minimal bleeding and sometimes even pain.

But yes, I agree with you, plus.. as if Marauder Shields would miss a vital artery or organ. That guys a boss!

The most compelling thing you spoke about wasn't the fact Shepard got shot by Marauder Shields, but that Shepard got shot by Harbinger! "A 2 kilometre starship with giant fricken laser beams!" ... That's why Shepard never actually got up, that's why she/he lay there under all the debris from Harbinger's laser, waiting for you to pick destroy... lol.



Just bringing up the point, ANY kind of wound can kill you, despite what Hollywood says. Even a shoulder wound (especially where we can see Shepard got his) would be enough to potentially leave your entire arm useless, and could potentially kill you.

The only way that wound goes away that fast is because it's Shepard. Built in medigel dispensers in his veins and all that, but then that of course leaves the question of where the other one came from, especially since it wasn't there two minutes ago.

Oh and good news, old computer is back up and running, that's what I've been typing on, and on the plus side, it's less ****ty than I remember.


True, Im not going by what Hollywood says, I'm going by Medicine.
If the bullet was lodged inside somewhere, then yes it has a stronger chance to kill you. But if it passes straight through without damaging any arteries or organs, it can be as simple as stitching the wound or maybe some sort of venoplasty.
Forgot about Shepard's built-in medigel dispensers.. That would help. I always forget the upgrades at the research terminal in general actually, in that they become canon and not just some rpg gimmick.


Even if it left your arm it could kill you from blood loss alone. And if it STAYED in the arm, that would mean it had either been caught by it, in which case Shepard would have been very lucky, or it bounced around off the bones and caused further damage which could very easily have killed him.

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TJBartlemus wrote...

Snip...




@Prettz - Awesome job!  I think you should ask Byne to post the link on the OP.

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And with that I am going to retire for the night...ladies, gents...good night.

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TJBartlemus wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Hey guys! Just poppin' in to bring about a point, I never really even considered before. However, it does fall under the same 'impossible, unrealistic, illogical' label for the endings. Which... most does. Still, it also seems pretty damn obvious to anyone who knows even the slightest about anatomy.

snip*.


It's important to remember gun shots can be flesh wounds, where the bullet enters and exits in a clean manner, this leaves very minimal bleeding and sometimes even pain.

But yes, I agree with you, plus.. as if Marauder Shields would miss a vital artery or organ. That guys a boss!

The most compelling thing you spoke about wasn't the fact Shepard got shot by Marauder Shields, but that Shepard got shot by Harbinger! "A 2 kilometre starship with giant fricken laser beams!" ...
That's why Shepard never actually got up, that's why she/he lay there under all the debris from Harbinger's laser, waiting for you to pick destroy... lol.


Yeah and when he gets up from surviving a giant beam he just happens to find a carnifex right next to his hand.......the one anderson was using 10 seconds ago.....no damage to it at all.....:whistle:

In my opinion there has to be significance to the gun because, why show plainly to everyone what gun anderson is using and then to go and change it a few minutes later?? (Plus mystery of the gun)




Don't forget the infinite ammo it has!Posted Image

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D.Sharrah wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Is anyone else loosing faith in IT? I want to believe it's going to happen, but the more I hear from VA's and Bioware the more I doubt it.

This comes after the recent Kimberley Brooks interview where she says the EC DLC will "clarify" and "justify" the current endings, nothing more.


Not I...read the interview and that's just not the feeling that I got from it.  Its like, its too similar to what Bioware has already released...you know, the "company" line.  I am sure that just like all the other VA's she has a NDA - and I wouldn't be surprised if they are "coached" to say just that when asked that type of question.

Keep the faith strong!


Thanks, at least I know where to go when I start to doubt things.... Posted Image

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Just watched the two videos in the original post.
Keelah, that is a brilliant theory, and it could easily lead up to Mass Effect 4. Which is fine by me, I'd like to see at least two more games, Mass Effect is such a brilliant series after all.

I hope the DLC proves the IT, it really would make Mass Effect go down as having one of the best video game story lines in history.

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I just realized something (maybe it's already been brought up). During the course of ME3 our squad members incessantly nag Shepard about his/her loyalties. Many fans have shown anger at constantly being harrassed about this, but why would Bioware add this? What if it was a major clue?

For example, at one point, the VS blatantly says,"you wouldn't even know if they were controlling you somehow". There might be more clues like this, however this is the only one I can remember.

I know this is somewhat grasping at straws, but it's still interesting to note.

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Is anyone else loosing faith in IT? I want to believe it's going to happen, but the more I hear from VA's and Bioware the more I doubt it.

This comes after the recent Kimberley Brooks interview where she says the EC DLC will "clarify" and "justify" the current endings, nothing more.


Not I...read the interview and that's just not the feeling that I got from it.  Its like, its too similar to what Bioware has already released...you know, the "company" line.  I am sure that just like all the other VA's she has a NDA - and I wouldn't be surprised if they are "coached" to say just that when asked that type of question.

Keep the faith strong!


Thanks, at least I know where to go when I start to doubt things.... Posted Image


Dude, whenever I start to doubt, I just go back to Acavyos's video. Short, sweet, and to the point. It always brings me back.

Its like a muffin. Such a delicious little chocolate muffin. ^_^

*ahem*

But yeah, the other night I had some doubts growing inside my mind (I'm probably being indoctrinated by my casual summer) and so I watched it again. It pretty much put everything to rest. Most everything at least. Such a good video. Fun to watch to. He really did a wonderful job with it.

I love his other stuff as well, and its sad he hasn't uploaded anything for a couple months. The guy's quite talented.