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[UrgentArchengel]

Makrys wrote...

"Premature Ejaculation."

What the fu...

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[Arian Dynas]

No way ME4 will be put that far out. The fans would crucify them, we love our fan favorite characters, and want to see them again. I say 20 - 30 years at most.

[Starbuck8]

Turbo_J wrote...

Ok, a little update on London. I've been working with Hellish on this but he's a ways out from London to verify. We may as well get other people looking into this to back up the findings.
*snip*

Ok, I finally finished my playthrough of London and I took notes as I went along of anything that stood out. I did my best but it took me 2 nights to finish and it's easy to get distracted by the story or gameplay

-Creaking noises - I noticed these both at Cerberus HQ (in the areas you have to fight the engineers) and in London in at least one building in the FOB.
-Just before London, on the Normandy as you say goodbye to Joker, both Shepard and Joker have a weird echo to them, don't think I've heard this effect before in the cockpit.
-When you first land in London (Hades cannon) there's some really strange high pitched noises, seem to be coming from the Hades cannon destroyer.
-Upon reaching the FOB, the camera pans the sky and you see what looks like lightning constantly ocurring in the same place. Also noticed this later when getting closer to the beam. Made me think of the geth weather beams, as brought up before, and if they may be related.
-Coates is the first person to mention "Thanix missiles". These missiles get talked about several times after that. Later over the radio you hear a soldier say "Thanix missiles do a f*** ton of damage". Lol is this what we get instead of a codex entry...? Now that I think about it, I don't think the codex gets updated at all during London, am I right?
-Edi is the only person to refer to the beam as the "conduit" (hi ME1) and doesn't use that term again, later calling it "the beam"
-I was looking at the trees seen from the main building in the FOB, they're all dead and remind me of the dream sequences
-Finally noticed the weapon/screen bob during the push to reach the Thanix missiles. Also noticed the heavy breathing sounds during the time you have to protect the Thanix missiles, and it persisted after loading due to dying.
-Found some much clearer/brighter versions of the paintings we saw in that strange apartment, plus a new one, they are in a corner store before reaching the Thanix missiles map. They're pretty abstract and I can't make anything out of them. Sorry I'm on the 360 so no screen shots.
-After being knocked out by Harby's laser, I noticed that at least one of the husks has a gaping red hole in its chest. This is the first time I think I've seen this, but I'm not sure if it ocurrs anywhere else in the game.
-Also after getting hit by the laser, noticed there are tiny bits of fire on the water that is running uphill/away from the beam.
-Didn't notice any pickups during London other than medigel and heavy weapons.

Also, dunno if reading all the theories about Coates has affected my perception, but Coates just gave me the feeling that he was evil this playthrough.

Modifié par Starbuck8, 13 juin 2012 - 08:32 .

[HellishFiend]

Arian Dynas wrote...

No way ME4 will be put that far out. The fans would crucify them, we love our fan favorite characters, and want to see them again. I say 20 - 30 years at most.

How would you propose they handle the divergence?

[HellishFiend]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Ok, a little update on London. I've been working with Hellish on this but he's a ways out from London to verify. We may as well get other people looking into this to back up the findings.
*snip*

Ok, I finally finished my playthrough of London and I took notes as I went along of anything that stood out. I did my best but it took me 2 nights to finish and it's easy to get distracted by the story or gameplay

-Creaking noises - I noticed these both at Cerberus HQ (in the areas you have to fight the engineers) and in London in at least one building in the FOB.
-Just before London, on the Normandy as you say goodbye to Joker, both Shepard and Joker have a weird echo to them, don't think I've heard this effect before in the cockpit.
-When you first land in London (Hades cannon) there's some really strange high pitched noises, seem to be coming from the Hades cannon destroyer.
-Upon reaching the FOB, the camera pans the sky and you see what looks like lightning constantly ocurring in the same place. Also noticed this later when getting closer to the beam. Made me think of the geth weather beams, as brought up before, and if they may be related.
-Coates is the first person to mention "Thanix missiles". These missiles get talked about several times after that. Later over the radio you hear a soldier say "Thanix missiles do a f*** ton of damage". Lol is this what we get instead of a codex entry...? Now that I think about it, I don't think the codex gets updated at all during London, am I right?
-Edi is the only person to refer to the beam as the "conduit" (hi ME1) and doesn't use that term again, later calling it "the beam"
-I was looking at the trees seen from the main building in the FOB, they're all dead and remind me of the dream sequences
-Finally noticed the weapon/screen bob during the push to reach the Thanix missiles. Also noticed the heavy breathing sounds during the time you have to protect the Thanix missiles, and it persisted after loading due to dying.
-Found some much clearer/brighter versions of the paintings we saw in that strange apartment, plus a new one, they are in a corner store before reaching the Thanix missiles map. They're pretty abstract and I can't make anything out of them. Sorry I'm on the 360 so no screen shots.
-After being knocked out by Harby's laser, I noticed that at least one of the husks has a gaping red hole in its chest. This is the first time I think I've seen this, but I'm not sure if it ocurrs anywhere else in the game.
-Also after getting hit by the laser, noticed there are tiny bits of fire on the water that is running uphill/away from the beam.
-Didn't notice any pickups during London other than medigel and heavy weapons.

Also, dunno if reading all the theories about Coates has affected my perception, but Coates just gave me the feeling that he was evil this playthrough.

Pretty sure you're right about the codex not being updated that late in the game, possibly starting as early as Cronos station? I'll keep an eye out for it when I get there.

IMO the biggest way the beam is referred to as the conduit is during the run, where it has an objective diamond over it that says "Conduit". In the context of the theory that the run to the beam is fully or partially hallucinated, it makes sense, since it would be drawn from Shepard's memory of the "run to the conduit" in ME1. 

As for the rest, I'll set your post aside along with Turbo's and see if I can corroborate any of it tomorrow. 

[Starbuck8]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Incoming.....

Arian Dynas wrote...

2. We have high resolution shots of the Indoctrinated eyes in Synthesis lying around here someone, someone find Prettz, he should have some.

Ok, I have a feeling that SackofCat has logged of for the night, but I just want to say that I chose synthesis on my first playthrough (with no spoilers) and the fact that Shepard's eyes turn synthetic/indoctrinated was obvious and really stood out to me.

Modifié par Starbuck8, 13 juin 2012 - 08:43 .

[Jusseb]

The objective is indeed marked as 'Conduit' in the final run, just as it is in the run in ME1.

[Arian Dynas]

HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

No way ME4 will be put that far out. The fans would crucify them, we love our fan favorite characters, and want to see them again. I say 20 - 30 years at most.

How would you propose they handle the divergence?

Considering the thread we're in, I'm assuming you don't mean if everyone is a cyborg.

Easily done actually.

Say there's a Krogan uprising planned in ME5, in ME4 we hear rumors that Wreav is plotting a war/and Bakara can't stop him, or we hear there are elements of the Krogan who are rankling at the reforms that Wrex has been establishing, and thus you either fight Wreav or side with Wrex.

And Geth/ Quarians? Easy, just have different things for each, and if both got saved, activate both. Yes it requires more things to be made, but it's a workable soloution.

[MaximizedAction]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

And something to consider. If you look at it at face value, assuming you believe the Star child, Destroy has no purpose and no appeal. There is nothing about Destroy that is appealing compared to Control and Synthesis if you choose to believe that you are being told the truth. The only way it DOES have any kind of appeal whatsoever, is if you assume you are being lied to.

Oh my god, you know I never thought about it like that! And it's so true! At face value destroy is clearly the worst option. Indeed the only thing that makes it desirable is if you don't trust the Catalyst. Very interesting!

Indeed a great sum up!

[Starbuck8]

HellishFiend wrote...

Pretty sure you're right about the codex not being updated that late in the game, possibly starting as early as Cronos station? I'll keep an eye out for it when I get there.

IMO the biggest way the beam is referred to as the conduit is during the run, where it has an objective diamond over it that says "Conduit". In the context of the theory that the run to the beam is fully or partially hallucinated, it makes sense, since it would be drawn from Shepard's memory of the "run to the conduit" in ME1. 

As for the rest, I'll set your post aside along with Turbo's and see if I can corroborate any of it tomorrow. 

Cool, look forward to seeing your notes. Haha I noticed there was an objective marker for the beam, but I totally didn't notice what it said. That's interesting...

[StElmo]

So i hear on the grapevine that the VO for ashley has pretty much confirmed the EC as being a simple clarification, rather then a twist or surprised, likelyhood of indoc being true is about 0.01% now ):

Even if they had originally intended it, it doesn't look like this is going to be it.

[Jusseb]

I don't believe a word they say, it's all part of the scam

[HellishFiend]

Arian Dynas wrote...


Considering the thread we're in, I'm assuming you don't mean if everyone is a cyborg.

Easily done actually.

Say there's a Krogan uprising planned in ME5, in ME4 we hear rumors that Wreav is plotting a war/and Bakara can't stop him, or we hear there are elements of the Krogan who are rankling at the reforms that Wrex has been establishing, and thus you either fight Wreav or side with Wrex.

And Geth/ Quarians? Easy, just have different things for each, and if both got saved, activate both. Yes it requires more things to be made, but it's a workable soloution.

I hate to say it but it sounds like wishful thinking to me. I think its more likely that theyll open up brand new plot arcs and the current plot arcs will receive cameo appearances, at best. You have to remember that Bioware reports to EA now, and while Bioware has full creative control of their studio, they still have to turn a certain amount of revenue. Turning that revenue would be quite difficult when making games that have divergent arcs that encompass the entire game. Theyd literally have to work at least twice as hard to put out each hour of gameplay. It's one thing to have a game like the Witcher 2 where the divergence builds over the course of the game, but its another to create a title with radical divergence in the core plot arcs from the start. 

[HellishFiend]

StElmo wrote...

So i hear on the grapevine that the VO for ashley has pretty much confirmed the EC as being a simple clarification, rather then a twist or surprised, likelyhood of indoc being true is about 0.01% now ):

Even if they had originally intended it, it doesn't look like this is going to be it.

I'll point out that Ashley's VA used Bioware's exact words when referencing what the EC is. "Clarification and Justification". It's common knowledge that they are under a very strict NDA, and she is only allowed to parrot BW's authorized press statements. 

[byne]

StElmo wrote...

So i hear on the grapevine that the VO for ashley has pretty much confirmed the EC as being a simple clarification, rather then a twist or surprised, likelyhood of indoc being true is about 0.01% now ):

Even if they had originally intended it, it doesn't look like this is going to be it.

First off, after spending the entire game accusing me of being indoctrinated, you'll excuse me if I ignore Ash's VA when she says I'm not.

Second, she didnt even say that. If IT was originally the plan, clarifying the ending means clarifying that you were indoctrinated.

I dont understand what is so hard to grasp about that.

Anyhow, thats my last post for the night. Goin to bed.

[Arian Dynas]

HellishFiend wrote...

StElmo wrote...

So i hear on the grapevine that the VO for ashley has pretty much confirmed the EC as being a simple clarification, rather then a twist or surprised, likelyhood of indoc being true is about 0.01% now ):

Even if they had originally intended it, it doesn't look like this is going to be it.

I'll point out that Ashley's VA used Bioware's exact words when referencing what the EC is. "Clarification and Justification". It's common knowledge that they are under a very strict NDA, and she is only allowed to parrot BW's authorized press statements. 

Oh so this was the same press release that Jadebaby was bothered about a bit earlier then?

[HellishFiend]

Arian Dynas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

StElmo wrote...

So i hear on the grapevine that the VO for ashley has pretty much confirmed the EC as being a simple clarification, rather then a twist or surprised, likelyhood of indoc being true is about 0.01% now ):

Even if they had originally intended it, it doesn't look like this is going to be it.

I'll point out that Ashley's VA used Bioware's exact words when referencing what the EC is. "Clarification and Justification". It's common knowledge that they are under a very strict NDA, and she is only allowed to parrot BW's authorized press statements. 

Oh so this was the same press release that Jadebaby was bothered about a bit earlier then?

Yeah, thats the one. 

[Arian Dynas]

HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...


Considering the thread we're in, I'm assuming you don't mean if everyone is a cyborg.

Easily done actually.

Say there's a Krogan uprising planned in ME5, in ME4 we hear rumors that Wreav is plotting a war/and Bakara can't stop him, or we hear there are elements of the Krogan who are rankling at the reforms that Wrex has been establishing, and thus you either fight Wreav or side with Wrex.

And Geth/ Quarians? Easy, just have different things for each, and if both got saved, activate both. Yes it requires more things to be made, but it's a workable soloution.

I hate to say it but it sounds like wishful thinking to me. I think its more likely that theyll open up brand new plot arcs and the current plot arcs will receive cameo appearances, at best. You have to remember that Bioware reports to EA now, and while Bioware has full creative control of their studio, they still have to turn a certain amount of revenue. Turning that revenue would be quite difficult when making games that have divergent arcs that encompass the entire game. Theyd literally have to work at least twice as hard to put out each hour of gameplay. It's one thing to have a game like the Witcher 2 where the divergence builds over the course of the game, but its another to create a title with radical divergence in the core plot arcs from the start. 

Meh. But one way or another, this is something I'm NOT willing to speculate on because really there is nothing to determine here, we have no information of any kind.

But I highly doubt we'll get jumped forward even 50 years. Just not going to happen IMO. We're too invested and tied into the current time and place.

Also, getting used to my old, clunker keyboard again sucks.

[Arian Dynas]

HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

StElmo wrote...

So i hear on the grapevine that the VO for ashley has pretty much confirmed the EC as being a simple clarification, rather then a twist or surprised, likelyhood of indoc being true is about 0.01% now ):

Even if they had originally intended it, it doesn't look like this is going to be it.

I'll point out that Ashley's VA used Bioware's exact words when referencing what the EC is. "Clarification and Justification". It's common knowledge that they are under a very strict NDA, and she is only allowed to parrot BW's authorized press statements. 

Oh so this was the same press release that Jadebaby was bothered about a bit earlier then?

Yeah, thats the one. 

Oh, well, no need for concern or alarm then.

Really, the simplest way one can look at this, if there WASN'T anything planned, would they be ****footing about with the phrasing? Heck no.

More to the point, if the nearly universally loathed and despised ending that spits in the face of everything Mass Effect is WERE the intended ending (which considering THEY wrote the other stuff, 90% of betrayals like this, Ultima 9, Highlander II, ect. Happened BECAUSE there was a new team who didn't know ****, is highly unlikely.) then why would they even bother standing beside it OR defending it, if there wasn't something more here? Because if this is truly what is "artistic" with no interpretive value, then Deus Ex was Motzart to ME3's disappointing Salieri.

In other words, a literal ending just makes no sense in the logical rules our physical world abides by.

[HellishFiend]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Meh. But one way or another, this is something I'm NOT willing to speculate on because really there is nothing to determine here, we have no information of any kind.

But I highly doubt we'll get jumped forward even 50 years. Just not going to happen IMO. We're too invested and tied into the current time and place.

Also, getting used to my old, clunker keyboard again sucks.

Every book has a last page. I think we're going to have to face the end of not only Commander Shepard, but of the prominent representation of the current plot arcs in future ME titles. It's the price we inevitably have to pay for the level of control we've had over the divergence and outcomes of those arcs. They simply cant continue to represent every possibility and do those possibilities the justice they deserve. I'd rather see those arcs bow out of the spotlight gracefully than see them reduced to what theyd become if they attempted to keep them around in any significant fashion. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 13 juin 2012 - 09:08 .

[gunslinger_ruiz]

@Turbo_J/everyone
I did manage to screenshot every painting I could find in London. I'll work on cropping and posting them for review tomorrow though, barely keeping my eyes open as is.

[Arian Dynas]

I suppose we agree actually. I expect a number of cameos, though I do fully expect certain things, like certain characters being represented in certain ways.

Like if you visit the Citadel in ME4, if you saved the Geth, there's a Geth Embassy, if you saved the Quarians, for their part in the war, they get their embassy back, if you saved both, then The Geth and the Quarians share an embassy and you get to meet the ambassadors from each, or things like hearing news reports about how the Krogan are gearing for war, or if Wrex was the leader with Bakara, then the Krogan get a embassy, things like that, relatively little things and good little nods. You know?

[HellishFiend]

Arian Dynas wrote...

I suppose we agree actually. I expect a number of cameos, though I do fully expect certain things, like certain characters being represented in certain ways.

Like if you visit the Citadel in ME4, if you saved the Geth, there's a Geth Embassy, if you saved the Quarians, for their part in the war, they get their embassy back, if you saved both, then The Geth and the Quarians share an embassy and you get to meet the ambassadors from each, or things like hearing news reports about how the Krogan are gearing for war, or if Wrex was the leader with Bakara, then the Krogan get a embassy, things like that, relatively little things and good little nods. You know?

Yeah, those are some examples of the cameo-type appearances I was referring to. Hopefully theyd at least get something like that rather than ME2 style emails. 

[HellishFiend]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

@Turbo_J/everyone
I did manage to screenshot every painting I could find in London. I'll work on cropping and posting them for review tomorrow though, barely keeping my eyes open as is.

Cool, looking forward to it. Get some sleep! 

[prettz]

 for my first play thru I choose destroy, this sums up my experience
www.youtube.com/watch
but it only lasted a few seconds couse I was still in a WTF of star child  and all lovly ending stuff

also uploading vid to youtube right now.