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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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Arian Dynas

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prettz wrote...

 for my first play thru I choose destroy, this sums up my experience :o
www.youtube.com/watch
but it only lasted a few seconds couse I was still in a WTF of star child  and all lovly ending stuff

also uploading vid to youtube right now.



I can see the resemblance. You shot a tank which blew up and blasted red everywhere.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

prettz wrote...

 for my first play thru I choose destroy, this sums up my experience :o
www.youtube.com/watch
but it only lasted a few seconds couse I was still in a WTF of star child  and all lovly ending stuff

also uploading vid to youtube right now.



I can see the resemblance. You shot a tank which blew up and blasted red everywhere.


Seems legit.

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ok vid up for more gun fun...:whistle:
well I hope it's at least entertaining. took way longer then it should have.:innocent:
www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par prettz, 13 juin 2012 - 09:56 .


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@SackofCat I noticed you were interested in theories and evidence related to the ITD. I wrote a fairly detailed (re:long winded) explanation of how Shepard's willpower could be tied into the EMS system, you can find it here. I'm not saying it's widely accepted by IT-ers or anyone other than me, it's just my opinion on the issue. 

I also broke down and worked out how unlikely it would be for Shepard to survive the citadel explosion presented in the destroy ending; it's only using real world facts and information found in the ME Universe such as the codex and other references to the lore. Find it here. I'm actually reworking this information and re-doing my math but this was the version posted to the previous ITD forum.

Also; thank you for not be a sarcastic, belligerent troll. It's such a refreshing change. Just promise me you won't steal our pic-a-nik basket

Other links you might find of interest:

Shepard's Armor comparison

Gunslinger_Ruiz Rubble/Breath Scene comparison

Arian's awesome script

Prettz's gun analysis #1
Prettz's gun analysis #2

Modifié par Salient Archer, 13 juin 2012 - 10:16 .


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prettz wrote...

ok vid up for more gun fun...:whistle:
well I hope it's at least entertaining. took way longer then it should have.:innocent:
www.youtube.com/watch


Wow, I'm 0:50s in and I'm already enjoying it! Well done, prettz! And thank you, of course!

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prettz wrote...

ok vid up for more gun fun...:whistle:
well I hope it's at least entertaining. took way longer then it should have.:innocent:
www.youtube.com/watch


wow......  :wizard:

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Hitting the sack.

Miss my laptop already, and I haven't even sent it in yet.

Situation sucks. Could suck worse, at least I don't have to buy another, just miss this one for a week or two. Still not happy about it.

Nice work on the video.

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prettz wrote...

ok vid up for more gun fun...:whistle:
well I hope it's at least entertaining. took way longer then it should have.:innocent:
www.youtube.com/watch


Amazing work Prettz, much respect. :D

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Salient Archer,
Sure, I'll check it out tomorrow (later today after I sleep). I intend to make a good faith effort to understand the IT from the ITist's point of view even while acknowledging what my current problems with IT are. It is easy to paint a group of people with one brush when you are looking in from the outside. That is part of why I am posting here.

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prettz wrote...

ok vid up for more gun fun...:whistle:
well I hope it's at least entertaining. took way longer then it should have.:innocent:
www.youtube.com/watch


Excellent work with the vid, nice addition with the ending btw.

The only literal-explanation I can figure for having the gun there purposfully was to create a new sound. But, your video shows the the gun has two different sounds one after the other not a combined gunshot sound.... And even if that's the case it doesn't answer why the Predator would ONLY be loaded with the Destroy ending and not the entire Citadel level to account for the sound.

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SackofCat wrote...

Salient Archer,
Sure, I'll check it out tomorrow (later today after I sleep). I intend to make a good faith effort to understand the IT from the ITist's point of view even while acknowledging what my current problems with IT are. It is easy to paint a group of people with one brush when you are looking in from the outside. That is part of why I am posting here.


Good to hear. I will admit, I myself have been a bit snappish with you, likely to a conglomeration of things, ranging from a headache, a dying computer fan, software troubles, eye twitches and a general malaise, and for that I apologize.

It's good to hear there are people willing to listen and think at least.

Anyway. G'night all. You've got me until Saturday, then I might get the chance to post and such, but it will be a good bit less regular for a week. I won't be entirely gone, but I may have to fade into the background for a while.

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SackofCat wrote...

Salient Archer,
Sure, I'll check it out tomorrow (later today after I sleep). I intend to make a good faith effort to understand the IT from the ITist's point of view even while acknowledging what my current problems with IT are. It is easy to paint a group of people with one brush when you are looking in from the outside. That is part of why I am posting here.


Sorry if I seemed a little harsh earlier toward you with my comments, generally speaking when someone is posting trying to counter others it's not someone actually trying to understand the Theories just someone trying to start something. But, after reading through your posts, I see you're giving it actual effort and I apologize for any harsh comment I made in your regard. As you may have noticed Arian Dynas and HellishFiend (among others I'm sure just can't rememeber them by name) are among the top Theorists and for argueing both sides so if you have questions/counter-points those are the go-tos in my opinion. Otherwise, I'll give it a shot, but for now I'm getting some shut eye.

Take care everyone.

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SackofCat wrote...

Salient Archer,
Sure, I'll check it out tomorrow (later today after I sleep). I intend to make a good faith effort to understand the IT from the ITist's point of view even while acknowledging what my current problems with IT are. It is easy to paint a group of people with one brush when you are looking in from the outside. That is part of why I am posting here.


Honestly it's really appreciated, not just that you're trying to understand ITist's but just the way you've been conducting yourself with respect, it's incredibly refreshing.

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Prettz,
I might analyze the points made in the video critically another time but I must say your video is done quite well and in a pretty entertaining way. It is laid out pretty well too. Nicely done.

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Salient Archer,
The feeling is mutual.

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Salient Archer wrote...

SackofCat wrote...

Salient Archer,
Sure, I'll check it out tomorrow (later today after I sleep). I intend to make a good faith effort to understand the IT from the ITist's point of view even while acknowledging what my current problems with IT are. It is easy to paint a group of people with one brush when you are looking in from the outside. That is part of why I am posting here.


Honestly it's really appreciated, not just that you're trying to understand ITist's but just the way you've been conducting yourself with respect, it's incredibly refreshing.


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Arian Dynas wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

SackofCat wrote...

Salient Archer,
Sure, I'll check it out tomorrow (later today after I sleep). I intend to make a good faith effort to understand the IT from the ITist's point of view even while acknowledging what my current problems with IT are. It is easy to paint a group of people with one brush when you are looking in from the outside. That is part of why I am posting here.


Honestly it's really appreciated, not just that you're trying to understand ITist's but just the way you've been conducting yourself with respect, it's incredibly refreshing.


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haha, well there is that. By the way I just read that you're having Laptop issues, that both sucks and blows... will thi lead to an Arian blackout for a little while?

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MaximizedAction wrote...

Wow, I'm 0:50s in and I'm already enjoying it! Well done, prettz! And thank you, of course!


dorktainian wrote...
wow......  [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]


Arian Dynas wrote...
Nice work on the video.


thanks glade you all enjoyed it.:D

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Excellent work with the vid, nice addition with the ending btw.

The
only literal-explanation I can figure for having the gun there
purposfully was to create a new sound. But, your video shows the the gun
has two different sounds one after the other not a combined gunshot
sound.... And even if that's the case it doesn't answer why the Predator
would ONLY be loaded with the Destroy ending and not the entire Citadel
level to account for the sound.


glad you like the ending because it took a long time just for those 30 sec (since I'm a noob at it)B)
wanted to put some adrenalin into the ending compared to the games ending that had it all suck out by that point.

ok I'm off to sleep-_-

#18194
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HellishFiend wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Also folks, I've got my main PC/temp studio setup working, ended up
switching to Presonus Studio One after having a total nightmare with my
Cubase license.
The long and short of which is that I now have an
even better setup for looking at audio stuff. So, if there's anything
anyone wants me to look into, post here and I'll do it tomorrow after
work (UK time).


Could you look through the ambient noise around the Normandy maybe, but mainly Shepard's cabin and post maybe a screenshot of that frequency peek(s) below 20Hz you reported about. The point of interest being of course the possibility of infrasound atmosphere built in by BioWare.
And could you also post which file it was that contains the ambient sound. I've tried to look for it myself but there are just so many files starting with Nor_...:lol:

Thx a bunch in advance!


I second this request!

Sweet, will do.
If anyone has a save near where Vega says "do you hear that hum?" that's one of the sections I'd like to check out.


Frankly, the most interesting sound thing I've found lately though was just noticing the echo when talking to Anderson before the Mako ride at the end...

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prettz wrote...

ok vid up for more gun fun...:whistle:
well I hope it's at least entertaining. took way longer then it should have.:innocent:
www.youtube.com/watch

WoW. The whole video is great but the ending...I'm speechless (in a positive sense of course). Good work!

How did BioWare manage to have a slower animation last the same amount of time as the fast one and at the same time having both show the same action? Also, it seems that reloadiing animatiions for pistols are a property of Shepard's object not the pistol object. When you fire a Predator, Shepard's object checks if you wield one and animates differently.

Modifié par paxxton, 13 juin 2012 - 11:33 .


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TSA_383 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Also folks, I've got my main PC/temp studio setup working, ended up
switching to Presonus Studio One after having a total nightmare with my
Cubase license.
The long and short of which is that I now have an
even better setup for looking at audio stuff. So, if there's anything
anyone wants me to look into, post here and I'll do it tomorrow after
work (UK time).


Could you look through the ambient noise around the Normandy maybe, but mainly Shepard's cabin and post maybe a screenshot of that frequency peek(s) below 20Hz you reported about. The point of interest being of course the possibility of infrasound atmosphere built in by BioWare.
And could you also post which file it was that contains the ambient sound. I've tried to look for it myself but there are just so many files starting with Nor_...:lol:

Thx a bunch in advance!


I second this request!

Sweet, will do.
If anyone has a save near where Vega says "do you hear that hum?" that's one of the sections I'd like to check out.


Frankly, the most interesting sound thing I've found lately though was just noticing the echo when talking to Anderson before the Mako ride at the end...


If possible have you already done a sound sweep around the london beam? If not is it too much to ask if you do a sweep near it to find out if there's any infrasonic frequencies?

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Come to think of it, if you want an excellent example of this concept, look at Lord of the Rings.

What some called allegory, claiming that LoTR was written based off stories of WWII, Tolkein preferred to call "applicability" claiming that certain aspects of his stories could be found in many stories, even if they were otherwise unrelated. (read the foreword to the books and Professor Tolkein himself will explain it far better than I could.

Sorry to be an annoying pedentic Tolkien nerd, and I know that it doesn't damage the point you were making, but the claim is made that LoTR is a reflection of Tolkien's experience of fighting in the trenches in World War 1, not 2. He was allegedly disgusted at the emergence of mechanised warfare (first seen lage scale in WW1) very much in parallel to Saruman's mind full of "metal and wheels".

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Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Come to think of it, if you want an excellent example of this concept, look at Lord of the Rings.

What some called allegory, claiming that LoTR was written based off stories of WWII, Tolkein preferred to call "applicability" claiming that certain aspects of his stories could be found in many stories, even if they were otherwise unrelated. (read the foreword to the books and Professor Tolkein himself will explain it far better than I could.

Sorry to be an annoying pedentic Tolkien nerd, and I know that it doesn't damage the point you were making, but the claim is made that LoTR is a reflection of Tolkien's experience of fighting in the trenches in World War 1, not 2. He was allegedly disgusted at the emergence of mechanised warfare (first seen lage scale in WW1) very much in parallel to Saruman's mind full of "metal and wheels".



Actually, the astounding thing is, I meant what I said. A frighteningly high number of people think that LoTR was based off of WWII stories, even though Professor Tolkein had never served in WWII.

Which by the way makes my point even BETTER since it shows that people can apply things to things the author never even necessarily experienced.

I am aware that the majority of Mordor came from his experiences in WWI, Tanks at the fall of Gondolin, Industrialisation creeping up the hill, ect.

Oh and by the way; the entire quote is "He has a mind of metal, and wheels, and he no longer cares for growing things." -Treebeard on the subject of Carumo, AKA Saruman the Many-Coloured.

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Modifié par Arian Dynas, 13 juin 2012 - 11:38 .


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AHHHH I just finish formatting a report of 54 pages of un-spaced text for a client..... ended up being 100 pages excluding the cover page and contents page. The contents page was 4 pages long....

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Rosewind wrote...

AHHHH I just finish formatting a report of 54 pages of un-spaced text for a client..... ended up being 100 pages excluding the cover page and contents page. The contents page was 4 pages long....

OK, Shadow Broker. Posted Image

Modifié par paxxton, 13 juin 2012 - 11:45 .