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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

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I've only been loosely following this particular discussion, but I'd like to point out that the thing that stands out the most for me is that the bottom of the Citadel Tower is clearly visible in at least one shot, and it is completely flat with no evidence of any conspicuous structures or decision chambers. Given the amount of detailing put in to models and objects even in very wide angle views, I find it hard to believe that this was an oversight. You would basically have to subscribe to something similar to Epyon's "Shepard was on the Crucible" theory in order to accept it at face value.

You can't see the details from a distance. Like the streets of the Citadel arms.

I haven't visited Epyon's thread quite some time. But he's theory seemed plausible (if you consider that the Catalyst lied about Shepard being on the Citadel like he did about everything).


Oh I disagree. You can see plenty enough detail to see that the bottom of the Citadel Tower is completely flat. There is not even a lazy 2d texture to indicate the presence of something other than grey, flat, empty space. 

You mean when the Crucible docks? Oh, it might be just because that area of the Citadel hadn't been introduced yet. Showing it'd have spoilt the sense of discovery the lack of which was greatly noticeable in ME3. Posted Image

Modifié par paxxton, 13 juin 2012 - 04:29 .


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paxxton wrote...

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QUESTION!!!!!! What words do you want to flash on the Indoc sig I am suppose to be making? or want to keep the ones I already have?

"It's time to take Control of yourself, Shepard". How's that?


Kinda like the whole Wake Up Shepard thing

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HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

I've only been loosely following this particular discussion, but I'd like to point out that the thing that stands out the most for me is that the bottom of the Citadel Tower is clearly visible in at least one shot, and it is completely flat with no evidence of any conspicuous structures or decision chambers. Given the amount of detailing put in to models and objects even in very wide angle views, I find it hard to believe that this was an oversight. You would basically have to subscribe to something similar to Epyon's "Shepard was on the Crucible" theory in order to accept it at face value.

You can't see the details from a distance. Like the streets of the Citadel arms.

I haven't visited Epyon's thread quite some time. But he's theory seemed plausible (if you consider that the Catalyst lied about Shepard being on the Citadel like he did about everything).


Oh I disagree. You can see plenty enough detail to see that the bottom of the Citadel Tower is completely flat. There is not even a lazy 2d texture to indicate the presence of something other than grey, flat, empty space. 


Someone posted a screenshot of that one scene and I gotta say, I was impressed about the detail they put into the wards' building structure. It looked as if it were real. The bottom of the tower however was strongly lit, however it was not that there seemed to be a structure and it's just blurred, but it was flat. Just flat.

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DJBare wrote...

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No, but come on. It's not like it's a small place hidden in the wards somewhere. It's the top of the central tower we're talking about. Actually, I'm still a bit confused where the gostchild conversation takes place.

In Shepards mind.
If we are correct in our assumptions from the clues, then everything witnessed by Shepard is irrelevant as far as location is concerned, does not matter whether s/he is on the crucible or the citadel, it's irrelevant given that Shepards true location is possibly still on earth, I just hope we get some kind of answer to this in the EC.


While what you say is true, I should point out that everything "witnessed by Shepard" is very relevant in the context of providing clues and evidence that support the theory that it is not actually taking place in reality. So poking holes in it as if it were actually happening is an essential means of supporting IT. 

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Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

QUESTION!!!!!! What words do you want to flash on the Indoc sig I am suppose to be making? or want to keep the ones I already have?

"It's time to take Control of yourself, Shepard". How's that?


Kinda like the whole Wake Up Shepard thing

Rephrased to sound more dramatic. Posted Image

EDIT: So maybe "Save us, Shepard!".

Modifié par paxxton, 13 juin 2012 - 04:39 .


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paxxton wrote...

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Oh I disagree. You can see plenty enough detail to see that the bottom of the Citadel Tower is completely flat. There is not even a lazy 2d texture to indicate the presence of something other than grey, flat, empty space. 

You mean when the Crucible docks? Oh, it might be just because that area of the Citadel hadn't been introduced yet. Showing it'd have spoilt the sense of discovery the lack of which was greatly noticeable in ME3. Posted Image


It's a good thing I'm schooled in the art of interpreting your use of smileys to indicate sarcasm, or I'd feel you were insulting my mother clinically disturbed. ;)

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HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Oh I disagree. You can see plenty enough detail to see that the bottom of the Citadel Tower is completely flat. There is not even a lazy 2d texture to indicate the presence of something other than grey, flat, empty space. 

You mean when the Crucible docks? Oh, it might be just because that area of the Citadel hadn't been introduced yet. Showing it'd have spoilt the sense of discovery the lack of which was greatly noticeable in ME3. Posted Image


It's a good thing I'm schooled in the art of interpreting your use of smileys to indicate sarcasm, or I'd feel you were insulting my mother clinically disturbed. ;)

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DJBare wrote...

In Shepards mind.
If we are correct in our assumptions from the clues, then everything witnessed by Shepard is irrelevant as far as location is concerned, does not matter whether s/he is on the crucible or the citadel, it's irrelevant given that Shepards true location is possibly still on earth, I just hope we get some kind of answer to this in the EC.


In fact, Shepard may have known that the crucible docks with the citadel in the base of the tower (they must know how it works before starting the battle), so that part may actually be "plausible". After that, he (or harbinger) just creates in his mind the decission chamber in the most convenient place. In the real world, there's nothing there, just a power conduit where the crucible may dock.

It's not that crazy, tbh. I like it. (We could discuss about the crucible real purpose and function, but let's assume it just intereacts with the citadel as was mentioned in the convs with hacket)

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paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

QUESTION!!!!!! What words do you want to flash on the Indoc sig I am suppose to be making? or want to keep the ones I already have?

"It's time to take Control of yourself, Shepard". How's that?


Kinda like the whole Wake Up Shepard thing

Rephrased to sound more dramatic. Posted Image


Sounds like a womens umm keeping it in control thingys comercal....

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Ah, here it is:

EDIT: discussion involving the where was Shep: at ~p.652

EpyonX3 wrote....

Check this out. If Shepard was on the Citadel, then where are all of the features of the decision room?
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Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

QUESTION!!!!!! What words do you want to flash on the Indoc sig I am suppose to be making? or want to keep the ones I already have?

"It's time to take Control of yourself, Shepard". How's that?


Kinda like the whole Wake Up Shepard thing

Rephrased to sound more dramatic. Posted Image


Sounds like a womens umm keeping it in control thingys comercal....

LOL. Didn't think of it this way. So maybe "Help us, Shepard! Save yourself!".

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Beautiful. It's like watching IT in all its glory.

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HellishFiend wrote...

I've only been loosely following this particular discussion, but I'd like to point out that the thing that stands out the most for me is that the bottom of the Citadel Tower is clearly visible in at least one shot, and it is completely flat with no evidence of any conspicuous structures or decision chambers. Given the amount of detailing put in to models and objects even in very wide angle views, I find it hard to believe that this was an oversight. You would basically have to subscribe to something similar to Epyon's "Shepard was on the Crucible" theory in order to accept it at face value.


It's also, what, 5 times the diameter of the dais Shep was standing on. Where are all the supporting structures over the edge of the dais in the 'upper level'. If we can see the 'Crucible' by looking up, then before it docked we should see at least the center dais, the void around it, the structures beyond the void... not just a flat surface.

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MaximizedAction wrote...

Ah, here it is:

EpyonX3 wrote....

Check this out. If Shepard was on the Citadel, then where are all of the features of the decision room?

*snip*


Yep, thats the one!

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Turbo_J wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

I've only been loosely following this particular discussion, but I'd like to point out that the thing that stands out the most for me is that the bottom of the Citadel Tower is clearly visible in at least one shot, and it is completely flat with no evidence of any conspicuous structures or decision chambers. Given the amount of detailing put in to models and objects even in very wide angle views, I find it hard to believe that this was an oversight. You would basically have to subscribe to something similar to Epyon's "Shepard was on the Crucible" theory in order to accept it at face value.


It's also, what, 5 times the diameter of the dais Shep was standing on. Where are all the supporting structures over the edge of the dais in the 'upper level'. If we can see the 'Crucible' by looking up, then before it docked we should see at least the center dais, the void around it, the structures beyond the void... not just a flat surface.


All very valid points as well. Bioware is far better at handling attention to detail than this, if it were to be taken at face value. 

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paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

QUESTION!!!!!! What words do you want to flash on the Indoc sig I am suppose to be making? or want to keep the ones I already have?

"It's time to take Control of yourself, Shepard". How's that?


Kinda like the whole Wake Up Shepard thing

Rephrased to sound more dramatic. Posted Image


Sounds like a womens umm keeping it in control thingys comercal....

LOL. Didn't think of it this way. So maybe "Help us, Shepard! Save yourself!".


To corny

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Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

QUESTION!!!!!! What words do you want to flash on the Indoc sig I am suppose to be making? or want to keep the ones I already have?

"It's time to take Control of yourself, Shepard". How's that?


Kinda like the whole Wake Up Shepard thing

Rephrased to sound more dramatic. Posted Image


Sounds like a womens umm keeping it in control thingys comercal....

LOL. Didn't think of it this way. So maybe "Help us, Shepard! Save yourself!".


To corny

Maybe "Commander Shepard. Been to Hell and come back."

Modifié par paxxton, 13 juin 2012 - 04:59 .


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paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

QUESTION!!!!!! What words do you want to flash on the Indoc sig I am suppose to be making? or want to keep the ones I already have?

"It's time to take Control of yourself, Shepard". How's that?


Kinda like the whole Wake Up Shepard thing

Rephrased to sound more dramatic. Posted Image


Sounds like a womens umm keeping it in control thingys comercal....

LOL. Didn't think of it this way. So maybe "Help us, Shepard! Save yourself!".


To corny

Maybe "Comander Shepard. Been to Hell and come back."


how does that represent IT lol sorry I am fusssssy

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Makrys wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Somebody feel free to put this discussion to rest. I don't have the patience to deal with Jijeebo: http://social.biowar...dex/10973597/12


I think it was put to rest 19 hrs ago...


The thread is 3 months old. I reunited is yesterday, so techinically it was put to rest long before that. But not this particular discussion. So, no it wasn't. 


Use the Nostalgia Critic "I was frozen today!" clip.   Ends every conversation.

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HellishFiend wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Ah, here it is:

EpyonX3 wrote....

Check this out. If Shepard was on the Citadel, then where are all of the features of the decision room?

*snip*


Yep, thats the one!


But the detail... ITS HIDDEN I TELL YOU, ITS HIDDEN!!!

Or maybe shepard is on the OTHER citadel docking station

:P

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 13 juin 2012 - 04:59 .


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Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

QUESTION!!!!!! What words do you want to flash on the Indoc sig I am suppose to be making? or want to keep the ones I already have?

"It's time to take Control of yourself, Shepard". How's that?


Kinda like the whole Wake Up Shepard thing

Rephrased to sound more dramatic. Posted Image


Sounds like a womens umm keeping it in control thingys comercal....

LOL. Didn't think of it this way. So maybe "Help us, Shepard! Save yourself!".


To corny

Maybe "Comander Shepard. Been to Hell and come back."


how does that represent IT lol sorry I am fusssssy

Maybe like this "Commander Shepard. Been through hell and lived."

Modifié par paxxton, 13 juin 2012 - 05:04 .


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@Rosewind: Shepard! Get back to the fight!

Modifié par Corik, 13 juin 2012 - 05:01 .


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llbountyhunter wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Ah, here it is:

EpyonX3 wrote....

Check this out. If Shepard was on the Citadel, then where are all of the features of the decision room?

*snip*


Yep, thats the one!


But the detail... ITS HIDDEN I TELL YOU, ITS HIDDEN!!!

Or maybe shepard is on the OTHER citadel docking station

:P

Or maybe that orange dirt-like spots are the low-detail textures. Posted Image

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lol you guys would never make good advertisers....

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I'm an engineer, not a marketing expert xD

*Hacket appears and sends Corik to work around the clock in the crucible.

Modifié par Corik, 13 juin 2012 - 05:06 .