55528 réponses à ce sujet

[byne]

Rifneno wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Oh, I disagree. Legion's death was magnificent for many, many reasons, and totally worth what his last moments implied and how it informed the universe's lore.

But you don't list any? Here's mine for my stance:

- There's no reason given for his having to die. "Direct personality dissemination required" isn't a reason. As much as Microsoft sucks sometimes, I've never gotten an error window reading "File copy failed. Commit suicide? Yes/No"

I always kinda figured that meant that he had to upload all the programs that made up his personality into the consensus instead of keeping them all in his platform, since having 1000+ fully evolved AIs in one body would create some problems.

And once all the programs we knew as Legion became individual intelligences, the Legion we knew would effectively be dead.

[kookie28]

Who killed JFK?

[Arian Dynas]

Orange Tee wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Couple major reasons it doesn't work. Explain then how Shepard survived a blast measured in gigatons?

And explain how it is that the Citadel has two different control panels, when we've seen the real one before?

Explain why it is the Citadel hall is made up of things from Shepard's memory.

Explan why when going through the collector base hall that the color drains from the screen if you turn around.

Explain how the hell Shepard got back to London if he was on the Citadel.

And explain how it is that there are magical quick growing trees on the conduit approach? Or why Harbinger leaves? Or why Hammer falls back.

Well it's easy to assume Shepard may have survived the blast believe it or not, I suggest actually reading what I linked you to, I do go into detail about those things if I remember correctly. Someone at BW explained how not everyone on the Citadel is dead after the explosion, I use similar reasoning (read it though)

No, it's not. It is not at all easy to assume. Shepard is in the epicenter of the blast, no shields, no bunkers, nothing, no protection of any of the kind Mr.Weekes mentioned AT ALL. None. This also fails to explain how he got back down to Earth, let alone London alive ( we have compared that concrete, it's from London, no arguments there)

It also STILL fails to explain why Harbinger leaves, or why Hammer falls back when Anderson EXPLICITLY says there will be no falling back, no retreating. Period, end of story, do not pass go do not collect $200.

Also faisl to explain the color draining, among other more subtle things. Like TIM's fancy new ability to physically control you and Anderson, whom can teleport somehow.

I adressed why I don't think things are made up from Sheps memory when I replied to Nauks above.

Also, it's proven that those little trees and shrubs are in fact there before Shepard approaches the beam, watch the IT documentary video, he points it out as well.

He's wrong. Yes there are trees and shrubs that are present during the Conduit run, but there are also trees that appear AFTER that were not present before. Prettz bring out your screenshots please.

Also, I might add, don't get me started on the documentary guy, he is both VERY out of date and not nearly as informed as he thinks he is. Quoting him as sacrosanct will not earn points with me.

Nauks wrote...

Shadowbroker ship memories in the Citadel, some people didn't play it, but it still exists, and taking it away would not impact the story either way imo.

Completely untrue actually, if your Shep didn't see it, why should they remember it? They would need to cater to everyones play expierience, which they didn't.

Also, Arrival isn't the only thing to point at and say "this is how Shep got indoc'd" Shepard has been around Reaper tech a ton, regardless of DLC or non-manditory missions. Reaper IFF probably being one of the largest suspects of the lot.

According to Casey Hudson, Arrival is canon. Period. It is stated in the comics, which are canon, that Shepard blew up the Alpha Relay and is a hated name in Batarian space. Also (why is this so hard for people to grasp?) despite protestations otherwise, and their proclivity to play fast and loose with the concept of canon (which I have no problems with, don't get me wrong.) Bioware writes things from the perspective of a canon Shepard whom has done everything, there are variances yes, but this is the perspective they write and create new stories from. The "canon" Shepard helped Liara become Shadobroker and saw the inside of the ship.

[Arian Dynas]

kookie28 wrote...

Who killed JFK?

Lee Harvey Oswald.

Oh, I'm sorry, did I ruin your not at all subtle attempt to try and claim we're nothing more than crackpot conspiracy theorists?

[byne]

Arian Dynas wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

Who killed JFK?

Lee Harvey Oswald.

Oh, I'm sorry, did I ruin your not at all subtle attempt to try and claim we're nothing more than crackpot conspiracy theorists?

I was just going to ignore the troll, Arian, that tends to work better than giving them attention

[Arian Dynas]

byne wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

Who killed JFK?

Lee Harvey Oswald.

Oh, I'm sorry, did I ruin your not at all subtle attempt to try and claim we're nothing more than crackpot conspiracy theorists?

I was just going to ignore the troll, Arian, that tends to work better than giving them attention

I know, but I'm in a po'd mood and I figured I'd spread it around.

[Salient Archer]

@Arian Dynas: Don't worry, It drives me mad how many people sprout "absolutes" about what is and what isn't canon but yet haven't taken the time {or don't care} to read any of the books, comics, news feeds, codex entries or even the art and design guides.

Apparently these people are still "experts" when it comes to canon but according to them Drew, Mac or Casey apparently know nothing... hmm.

[Rifneno]

Orange Tee wrote...

Well it's easy to assume Shepard may have survived the blast believe it or not, I suggest actually reading what I linked you to, I do go into detail about those things if I remember correctly. Someone at BW explained how not everyone on the Citadel is dead after the explosion, I use similar reasoning (read it though)

I suggest you actually read the fact we're not talking about surviving the vaccuum of space, although that would also be fatal. Shepard was at ground zero of an explosion that engulfed the entire Presidium. It was estimated to be the neighborhood of a 100 kiloton blast by nuke calculators based on the size of the explosion. Do you know what 100 kiloton explosion is? Hiroshima was only 15. A kiloton means the explosion was equivilent to a thousand tons of TNT. You're saying Shepard might survive sitting on top of one hundred thousand tons of TNT and lighting a match. That's what you're telling us in the same breath you say we should "actually read." Good God.

Arian Dynas wrote...

It's not "suicide" per-se Legion as an individual entity made up by the combination of 1138 Geth runtimes is "dead" in that he disassembled his personality, seperating those runtimes and spreading them throughout the collective.

Talk to EDI right after Rannoch.

Thane dies anyway, which do you think he would prefer? A death going out as a hero, saving someone's life and embarassing Kai Leng while helping Shepard, the first friend he has had in more than 11 years, and then being able to succumb to his disease while surrounded by friends and family? Or just die, hacking and wheezing, his close friend having forgotten all about him in his final months?

Did I say I preferred he lived, no matter the consequences? No. I said Legion's death is the only one (of former squad members) you absolutely cannot avoid.

byne wrote...

I always kinda figured that meant that he had to upload all the programs that made up his personality into the consensus instead of keeping them all in his platform, since having 1000+ fully evolved AIs in one body would create some problems.

And once all the programs we knew as Legion became individual intelligences, the Legion we knew would effectively be dead.

Listen to him talking over the radio through the mission. The Reaper upgrades are already installed on him. That's how he's managing to hold his own all by himself.

Even the geth clearly feel he's dead. "We will honor Legion's sacrifice."

kookie28 wrote...

Who killed JFK?

Syphilis.

Arian Dynas wrote...

I know, but I'm in a po'd mood and I figured I'd spread it around.

Welcome to my world.

[Bill Casey]

Rifneno wrote...

- There's no reason given for his having to die. "Direct personality dissemination required" isn't a reason. As much as Microsoft sucks sometimes, I've never gotten an error window reading "File copy failed. Commit suicide? Yes/No"

Geth do not use windows...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 17 mai 2012 - 07:07 .

[Arian Dynas]

Rifneno wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

It's not "suicide" per-se Legion as an individual entity made up by the combination of 1138 Geth runtimes is "dead" in that he disassembled his personality, seperating those runtimes and spreading them throughout the collective.

Talk to EDI right after Rannoch.

What's a better metaphor I could use? Think of it like this, suppose your braincells contain the cure to a disease plaguing humanity (and yes I already know this is a bad metaphor, but it's the best I can think of right now, shut up.) and every person could survive if you gave up one braincell. The Braincells themselves are still alive so to speak, but you as a individual are not, does that make sense? (probably not, barely made sense to me)

Thane dies anyway, which do you think he would prefer? A death going out as a hero, saving someone's life and embarassing Kai Leng while helping Shepard, the first friend he has had in more than 11 years, and then being able to succumb to his disease while surrounded by friends and family? Or just die, hacking and wheezing, his close friend having forgotten all about him in his final months?

Did I say I preferred he lived, no matter the consequences? No. I said Legion's death is the only one (of former squad members) you absolutely cannot avoid.

I am making the point of saying that Thane ALSO dies no matter what, it just depends on how. Same with Legion.

byne wrote...

I always kinda figured that meant that he had to upload all the programs that made up his personality into the consensus instead of keeping them all in his platform, since having 1000+ fully evolved AIs in one body would create some problems.

And once all the programs we knew as Legion became individual intelligences, the Legion we knew would effectively be dead.

Listen to him talking over the radio through the mission. The Reaper upgrades are already installed on him. That's how he's managing to hold his own all by himself.

Even the geth clearly feel he's dead. "We will honor Legion's sacrifice."

He's dead in that he is no longer a individual, he broke up his personality and distributed it throughout the collective.

[prettz]

some more before and after harbinger beam
this time I got some after helicopter crash for the trees

Modifié par prettz, 17 mai 2012 - 07:23 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

[quote]Arian Dynas wrote...

[quote]byne wrote...

I always kinda figured that meant that he had to upload all the programs that made up his personality into the consensus instead of keeping them all in his platform, since having 1000+ fully evolved AIs in one body would create some problems.

And once all the programs we knew as Legion became individual intelligences, the Legion we knew would effectively be dead.[/quote]

Listen to him talking over the radio through the mission. The Reaper upgrades are already installed on him. That's how he's managing to hold his own all by himself.

Even the geth clearly feel he's dead. "We will honor Legion's sacrifice."
[/quote]

He's dead in that he is no longer a individual, he broke up his personality and distributed it throughout the collective.

[/quote]

I think that is the best explanation, but to elaborate on how I think he "died."

With the Reaper upgrades I think all of his Individual units became gathered in a single AI. While a single Geth with the Reaper upgrades would be an AI on its own, when a more than one Geth is gathered in one body and gets the upgadre they are probably melded together into a single whole since else the Geth platform would probably suffer from serius case of personality split since eseentially it has many persons in it.

Therefore when Legion splits himself through the consensus he is no longer living as Legion becouse each of the Geth that were him before become Geth on their own. They cannot simply be gathered back together into one body since they are now individual AI. You could say that the whole that was Legion is gone divided into multiple individuals who cannot simply be put back into Legion.

At least that is the way i see it and I hope I made sense.

[Wabajakka]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Orange Tee wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Couple major reasons it doesn't work. Explain then how Shepard survived a blast measured in gigatons?

And explain how it is that the Citadel has two different control panels, when we've seen the real one before?

Explain why it is the Citadel hall is made up of things from Shepard's memory.

Explan why when going through the collector base hall that the color drains from the screen if you turn around.

Explain how the hell Shepard got back to London if he was on the Citadel.

And explain how it is that there are magical quick growing trees on the conduit approach? Or why Harbinger leaves? Or why Hammer falls back.

Well it's easy to assume Shepard may have survived the blast believe it or not, I suggest actually reading what I linked you to, I do go into detail about those things if I remember correctly. Someone at BW explained how not everyone on the Citadel is dead after the explosion, I use similar reasoning (read it though)

No, it's not. It is not at all easy to assume. Shepard is in the epicenter of the blast, no shields, no bunkers, nothing, no protection of any of the kind Mr.Weekes mentioned AT ALL. None. This also fails to explain how he got back down to Earth, let alone London alive ( we have compared that concrete, it's from London, no arguments there)

It also STILL fails to explain why Harbinger leaves, or why Hammer falls back when Anderson EXPLICITLY says there will be no falling back, no retreating. Period, end of story, do not pass go do not collect $200.

Also faisl to explain the color draining, among other more subtle things. Like TIM's fancy new ability to physically control you and Anderson, whom can teleport somehow.

I adressed why I don't think things are made up from Sheps memory when I replied to Nauks above.

Also, it's proven that those little trees and shrubs are in fact there before Shepard approaches the beam, watch the IT documentary video, he points it out as well.

He's wrong. Yes there are trees and shrubs that are present during the Conduit run, but there are also trees that appear AFTER that were not present before. Prettz bring out your screenshots please.

Also, I might add, don't get me started on the documentary guy, he is both VERY out of date and not nearly as informed as he thinks he is. Quoting him as sacrosanct will not earn points with me.

Nauks wrote...

Shadowbroker ship memories in the Citadel, some people didn't play it, but it still exists, and taking it away would not impact the story either way imo.

Completely untrue actually, if your Shep didn't see it, why should they remember it? They would need to cater to everyones play expierience, which they didn't.

Also, Arrival isn't the only thing to point at and say "this is how Shep got indoc'd" Shepard has been around Reaper tech a ton, regardless of DLC or non-manditory missions. Reaper IFF probably being one of the largest suspects of the lot.

According to Casey Hudson, Arrival is canon. Period. It is stated in the comics, which are canon, that Shepard blew up the Alpha Relay and is a hated name in Batarian space. Also (why is this so hard for people to grasp?) despite protestations otherwise, and their proclivity to play fast and loose with the concept of canon (which I have no problems with, don't get me wrong.) Bioware writes things from the perspective of a canon Shepard whom has done everything, there are variances yes, but this is the perspective they write and create new stories from. The "canon" Shepard helped Liara become Shadobroker and saw the inside of the ship.

Oh believe me, I agree there is a "canon" Shepard, but the fact that BW has taken into consideration the "non-canon" Shepards over every little detail pretty much tells me that the ending being made up of pieces of Shepards "canon" memory is just a bit of a stretch to me, that's all.

You misinterpreted what I said about Arrival as well, I wasn't saying that it wasn't "canon" that wasn't my issue and isn't the point. My point was even if BW needed to make an excuse for Shepard being indoc'd and the player hadn't played Arrival, there were plenty of other opprotunities...

Also, is it so impossible to assume after the Citadel explodes it may just land on Earth? Again, I doubt you read it because I do in fact say why I believe Harbinger leaves and why all the forces Shepard ammassed are in fact falling back.

Lastly, I'm not about to argue about trees and shrubs on the Conduit run lol.

Modifié par Orange Tee, 17 mai 2012 - 07:25 .

[Cyberfrog81]

Salient Archer wrote...

Being a big MP **** I'd be so keen to fight on the streets of london with three other allies. Quick question, who else on this thread has the Unwavering achievement from finishing all the MP maps on Gold?

Ooooh! Me!! Me!!!


Aaaanyway... I've pictured Reaper forces grabbing a pretty much defenseless Shepard (post or during indoc-attempt), and it's up to the l33t (and strange) N7 teams to engage the enemy, providing a distraction (this in MP) so that Anderson can lead small strike team and bring Shepard back (that in SP).

In the SP part, maybe you could play as Anderson (like you briefly controlled Joker in ME2).

[Arian Dynas]

Orange Tee wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Orange Tee wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Couple major reasons it doesn't work. Explain then how Shepard survived a blast measured in gigatons?

And explain how it is that the Citadel has two different control panels, when we've seen the real one before?

Explain why it is the Citadel hall is made up of things from Shepard's memory.

Explan why when going through the collector base hall that the color drains from the screen if you turn around.

Explain how the hell Shepard got back to London if he was on the Citadel.

And explain how it is that there are magical quick growing trees on the conduit approach? Or why Harbinger leaves? Or why Hammer falls back.

Well it's easy to assume Shepard may have survived the blast believe it or not, I suggest actually reading what I linked you to, I do go into detail about those things if I remember correctly. Someone at BW explained how not everyone on the Citadel is dead after the explosion, I use similar reasoning (read it though)

No, it's not. It is not at all easy to assume. Shepard is in the epicenter of the blast, no shields, no bunkers, nothing, no protection of any of the kind Mr.Weekes mentioned AT ALL. None. This also fails to explain how he got back down to Earth, let alone London alive ( we have compared that concrete, it's from London, no arguments there)

It also STILL fails to explain why Harbinger leaves, or why Hammer falls back when Anderson EXPLICITLY says there will be no falling back, no retreating. Period, end of story, do not pass go do not collect $200.

Also faisl to explain the color draining, among other more subtle things. Like TIM's fancy new ability to physically control you and Anderson, whom can teleport somehow.

I adressed why I don't think things are made up from Sheps memory when I replied to Nauks above.

Also, it's proven that those little trees and shrubs are in fact there before Shepard approaches the beam, watch the IT documentary video, he points it out as well.

He's wrong. Yes there are trees and shrubs that are present during the Conduit run, but there are also trees that appear AFTER that were not present before. Prettz bring out your screenshots please.

Also, I might add, don't get me started on the documentary guy, he is both VERY out of date and not nearly as informed as he thinks he is. Quoting him as sacrosanct will not earn points with me.

Nauks wrote...

Shadowbroker ship memories in the Citadel, some people didn't play it, but it still exists, and taking it away would not impact the story either way imo.

Completely untrue actually, if your Shep didn't see it, why should they remember it? They would need to cater to everyones play expierience, which they didn't.

Also, Arrival isn't the only thing to point at and say "this is how Shep got indoc'd" Shepard has been around Reaper tech a ton, regardless of DLC or non-manditory missions. Reaper IFF probably being one of the largest suspects of the lot.

According to Casey Hudson, Arrival is canon. Period. It is stated in the comics, which are canon, that Shepard blew up the Alpha Relay and is a hated name in Batarian space. Also (why is this so hard for people to grasp?) despite protestations otherwise, and their proclivity to play fast and loose with the concept of canon (which I have no problems with, don't get me wrong.) Bioware writes things from the perspective of a canon Shepard whom has done everything, there are variances yes, but this is the perspective they write and create new stories from. The "canon" Shepard helped Liara become Shadobroker and saw the inside of the ship.

Oh believe me, I agree there is a "canon" Shepard, but the fact that BW has taken into consideration the "non-canon" Shepards over every little detail pretty much tells me that the ending being made up of pieces of Shepards "canon" memory is just a bit of a stretch to me, that's all.

You misinterpreted what I said about Arrival as well, I wasn't saying that it wasn't "canon" that wasn't my issue and isn't the point. My point was even if BW needed to make an excuse for Shepard being indoc'd and the player hadn't played Arrival, there were plenty of other opprotunities...

Also, is it so impossible to assume after the Citadel explodes it may just land on Earth? Again, I doubt you read it because I do in fact say why I believe Harbinger leaves and why all the forces Shepard ammassed are in fact falling back.

Lastly, I'm not about to argue about trees and shrubs on the Conduit run lol.

If your Shepard had never seen it, then it comes from Liara's description and your character merely fails to understand the significance, which also applies for the player as well. 

You are also failing to understand that for Shepard to be on Earth (which the rubble CLEARLY shows he is) and the CItadel to have fallen to Earth he would have needed to SURVIVE RE-ENTRY which previously KILLED him in the best possible circumstances, AS WELL as an explosion that makes THE LARGEST BOMB EVER DETONATED ON EARTH look like a cherry bomb.

Shepard would be a stain on the wall before he ever got to Earth were that the case.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Cyberfrog81 wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Being a big MP **** I'd be so keen to fight on the streets of london with three other allies. Quick question, who else on this thread has the Unwavering achievement from finishing all the MP maps on Gold?

Ooooh! Me!! Me!!!


Aaaanyway... I've pictured Reaper forces grabbing a pretty much defenseless Shepard (post or during indoc-attempt), and it's up to the l33t (and strange) N7 teams to engage the enemy, providing a distraction (this in MP) so that Anderson can lead small strike team and bring Shepard back (that in SP).

In the SP part, maybe you could play as Anderson (like you briefly controlled Joker in ME2).

One up that and make it so you control your love interest if she/he is a Squadmate and Anderson if you dont have a LI or the person is not a squadmate. Could be awesome.

[Salient Archer]

@Prett: Thanks so much for the hires grabs.

So we have a disappearing helicopter.
Additional trees.
Additional Makos.

But everything else is basically the same... Including the sky!

Also is it just me or does the helicopters flight control surface for the Elevators form the uppercase version of the letter I ... "I FOR INDOCTRINATION!!!" Dun-dun-dun!

Modifié par Salient Archer, 17 mai 2012 - 07:43 .

[BleedingUranium]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Cyberfrog81 wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Being a big MP **** I'd be so keen to fight on the streets of london with three other allies. Quick question, who else on this thread has the Unwavering achievement from finishing all the MP maps on Gold?

Ooooh! Me!! Me!!!


Aaaanyway... I've pictured Reaper forces grabbing a pretty much defenseless Shepard (post or during indoc-attempt), and it's up to the l33t (and strange) N7 teams to engage the enemy, providing a distraction (this in MP) so that Anderson can lead small strike team and bring Shepard back (that in SP).

In the SP part, maybe you could play as Anderson (like you briefly controlled Joker in ME2).

One up that and make it so you control your love interest if she/he is a Squadmate and Anderson if you dont have a LI or the person is not a squadmate. Could be awesome.

I think it's quite likely, if there's a Joker style mission, that you'll play as Coats. If not, then I'd say he's indoctrinated. Really, the reason we've been throwing around the idea of Coats being indoctrinated is because it seems like he's supposed to be so much more important than he actually is. He could have been Random Marine #5 and it wouldn't have made a difference. Him either being a traitor or a playable character are the only two things I can think of.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Sorry I'm late to the party of Shepard living through the Destroy option. I have one screenshot and a list for all those aruging he could survive.

When viewing the following keep in mind several things: The Citadel is massive. Shepard is at the base of the ring, essentially under the Presidium Tower in the center of the Citadel where the Crucible is docked. Shepard has hardly any armor and no kinetic barriers as proven by the blood spatter from Marauder Shields attack.



This explosion more than envelops the area where Shepard was in the decision chamber, the sheer size of this explosion should let us assume that it is LARGE and FATAL to anything near it.

A list of things Shepard would need to survive in the Destroy ending in order to take the famous breath:

1. Potentially fatal injuries already sustained.
2. The initial explosion of the Destroy tube (the strength of this explosion alone could outright kill Shepard at point blank range).
3. Being ground zero when the Red Wave is sent out (it's enough force to move space debris and Reapers, it would most definitley hurt Shepard being that close).
4. The Red Wave itself. "You can wipe out all Synthetic life if you want --- Even YOU are partly Synthetic," it's entirely possible ALL of Shepard's implants would be deactivated on contact with the Red energy.
5. The Citadel ring explosion, image above.
6. The vastness of space without a helmet. Or air for that matter.
7. Re-entry into Earths atmosphere without kinetic barriers or whole armor or a helmet (the sheer heat of freefall would vaporize Shepard if other things hadn't already.)
8. Impact with the ground, assuming anything is left of Shepard it would have to be scooped up with a shovel and bucket.

The infamous "Shepard Breath" scene 99% positive it takes place on Earth, see my sig for London Rubble/Breath scene Rubble comparison. Shepard is in one piece, bloodied and battered, and takes a breath on Earth after the list above, the only logical explanation is that Shepard never left Earth. Whether or not things occured in your head or in real life while you were uncosious is up in the air at this point.

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 17 mai 2012 - 09:00 .

[Nauks]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

When viewing the following keep in mind several things: The Citadel is massive. Shepard is at the base of the ring, essentially under the Presidium Tower in the center of the Citadel where the Crucible is docked. Shepard has hardly any armor and no kinetic barriers as proven by the blood spatter from Marauder Shields attack.

Aye, also simply checking the squad menu at this point, Shepard's barriers are at 0. a nice touch.

[Salient Archer]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Sorry I'm late to the party of Shepard living through the Destroy option. I have one screenshot and a list for all those aruging he could survive.

When viewing the following keep in mind several things: The Citadel is massive. Shepard is at the base of the ring, essentially under the Presidium Tower in the center of the Citadel where the Crucible is docked. Shepard has hardly any armor and no kinetic barriers as proven by the blood spatter from Marauder Shields attack.



This explosion more than envelops the area where Shepard was in the decision chamber, the sheer size of this explosion should let us assume that it is LARGE and FATAL to anything near it.

A list of things Shepard would need to survive in the Destroy ending in order to take the famous breath:

1. Potentially fatal injuries already sustained.
2. The initially explosion of the Destroy tube.
3. Being ground zero when the Red Wave is sent out (it's enough force to move space debris and Reapers, it would most definitley hurt Shepard being that close).
4. The Red Wave itself. "You can wipe out all Synthetic life if you want --- Even YOU are partly Synthetic," it's entirely possible ALL of Shepard's implants would be deactivated on contact with the Red energy.
5. The Citadel ring explosion, image above.
6. The vastness of space without a helmet. Or air for that matter.
7. Re-entry into Earths atmosphere without kinetic barriers or whole armor or a helmet (the sheer heat of freefall would vaporize Shepard if other things hadn't already.)
8. Impact with the ground, assuming anything is left of Shepard it would have to be scooped up with a shovel and bucket.

The infamous "Shepard Breath" scene 99% positive it takes place on Earth, see my sig for London Rubble/Breath scene Rubble comparison. Shepard is in one piece, bloodied and battered, and takes a breath on Earth after the list above, the only logical explanation is that Shepard never left Earth. Whether or not things occured in your head or in real life while you were uncosious is up in the air at this point.

+1 for this, although you've just made my wall of text [math] on the matter seem redundant by being so damn eloquent. 

Although for whatever reason if you want more proof on how hard it would be for Shep to survive, here’s a detailed breakdown of what he would need to sustain to get back to earth. Space Jump [Warning: It’s really, really long]

Modifié par Salient Archer, 17 mai 2012 - 08:28 .

[Nauks]

Salient Archer wrote...

+1 for this, although you've just made my wall of text [math] on the matter seem redundant by being so damn eloquent. 

Although for whatever reason if you want more proof on how hard it would be for Shep to survive, here’s a detailed breakdown of what he would need to sustain to get back to earth. Space Jump [Warning: It’s really, really long]

It's so ridiculous that this is even up for debate. =) the fact that Shepard is laying on concrete alone... but actually having to explain why Shepard couldn't survive certain death x 100.

Modifié par Nauks, 17 mai 2012 - 08:34 .

[estebanus]

Hello again. Anything new?

[Salient Archer]

Nauks wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

+1 for this, although you've just made my wall of text [math] on the matter seem redundant by being so damn eloquent. 

Although for whatever reason if you want more proof on how hard it would be for Shep to survive, here’s a detailed breakdown of what he would need to sustain to get back to earth. Space Jump [Warning: It’s really, really long]

It's so ridiculous that this is even up for debate. =) the fact that Shepard is laying on concrete alone...

IKR, It's amazing how the simplest fact [the concrete] is actually all the evidence we really need too. {and that we can clearly hear wind}

I did the math purely because people apparently found the idea of Shepard hallucinating was much harder to believe than the idea that Shepard survived an explosion 50 times greater than hiroshima, traveled 222,000+miles in a vacuum without a breathing apparatus, survived reentry without being vaporized and could free-fall 200+miles without turning to a squishy when he hit the ground.

EDIT: unless Shepard typed: IDDQD quickly before making his decision

Modifié par Salient Archer, 17 mai 2012 - 08:42 .

[RavenEyry]

Right been off for the night so this is a response to something a few pages ago.
About everyone on the citadel being dead: it's only been under reaper control for, like, a day, so there's probably ongoing urban warfare.