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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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#18526
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paxxton wrote...

I want the EC noooooowwwww! [whining] Posted Image

I feel ya (not literally though, cuz that would be creepy)! :)

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Corik wrote...

Now? And then have to wait for another DLC to give closure to a rushed DLC? XD


Yo dawg, we heard you like closure...

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 13 juin 2012 - 08:32 .


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llbountyhunter

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Corik wrote...

Now? And then have to wait for another DLC to give closure to a rushed DLC? XD


I'm ok with waiting as long as EC turns out to be amazing.

#18529
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Okay... that was a joke. XD

#18530
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Ok, bed time! Until tomorrow.. or later.. (f*cking timezones, how do they work??)

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This is my new motivational for ya all.

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Makrys wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

I specifically remember Patrick's tweet on the EC NOT being a response to the ending reaction, but rather something planned as they've always had "big plans" for the game. Interestingly, this tweet was subsequently removed.

You mean this tweet? http://www.gamefaqs....95452-/62374587

Coupled also with the other tweet where they said the ending was 'as we intended'. So, basically they admitted that the endings were supposed to be dreamy and confusing. If that tweet is true, its pretty damning evidence.

Both seem very revealing.

Seems they spilled some beans there, and so it would make sense why they were deleted.

Yup, that one. Also the other one by the official twitter page. There's definitely something there.

#18533
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paxxton wrote...

This is my new motivational for ya all.

*snip*


Yup. That just about sums up all the creepiness that is Liara.

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Hello again. Anything New?

#18535
paxxton

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Corik wrote...

Okay... that was a joke. XD

About what?

#18536
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@Estebanus we discussed about how the base of the Presidium Tower is flat in all scenes, and some re-reading of old tweets by Bioware employees :D

@Paxxton about you wanting EC now! 

Modifié par Corik, 13 juin 2012 - 08:58 .


#18537
Raistlin Majare 1992

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paxxton wrote...

This is my new motivational for ya all.

(Snip)


Off course she does, it is her job ;)

Also I know she knows, she was there with my Shepard after all ^_^

#18538
llbountyhunter

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And the award for the best comment of the century goes too

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11289479/14#12559772

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Unschuld wrote...

paxxton wrote...

This is my new motivational for ya all.

*snip*


Yup. That just about sums up all the creepiness that is Liara.

She'd be good at Poker. Could give Joker some tips. Posted Image Anyways, she knows how to achieve her goals with any means necessary.

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MaximizedAction wrote...

Corik wrote...

Now? And then have to wait for another DLC to give closure to a rushed DLC? XD


Yo dawg, we heard you like closure...


Closureception?  We need to go deeper.

#18541
Raistlin Majare 1992

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paxxton wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

paxxton wrote...

This is my new motivational for ya all.

*snip*


Yup. That just about sums up all the creepiness that is Liara.

She'd be good at Poker. Could give Joker some tips. Posted Image Anyways, she knows how to achieve her goals with any means necessary.


She may be good, but Tali is better. You litterally cant read her Poker Face :lol:

#18542
paxxton

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

paxxton wrote...

This is my new motivational for ya all.

*snip*


Yup. That just about sums up all the creepiness that is Liara.

She'd be good at Poker. Could give Joker some tips. Posted Image Anyways, she knows how to achieve her goals with any means necessary.


She may be good, but Tali is better. You litterally cant read her Poker Face :lol:

Good catch! Posted Image

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Okay, so i'm gonna go through this stuff coz I'm bored and don't feel like playing Fallout New Vegas.

 
video links....

1. http://www.youtube.c...fOkk-pclU#t=76s

Casey Hudson interview..

1:31
Interviewer: "Is there more Mass Effect in the future, or do you just leave it here?"
Casey: "You know I mean we really wanna support Mass Effect over the coming year with some really cool single player content, some really cool multiplayer content. So that when you finish Mass Effect 3, you're going to get the most definitive and climactic ending we've ever done in this series."
Notice how he brings up that you will only truly finish Mass Effect after the coming year?

04:57
Interviewer: "As you build up to a wider and wider audience, is that detrimental to what you've been trying to do from the beginning? (ME3 being a stand-alone game)
Casey: Well I like that with a game like Mass Effect 3, we  need to remind ourselves that we need to tell a great story for everyone.
Relatable to IT theory by Indoctrination not being the ending on the disc to appeal to the mainstream audience with your traditional sci-fi ideals (synthesis). This could be a result that if they had of put indoctrination on the disc, many new-comers wouldn't understand it. Then once the game is release, work on another bit of dlc to incorporate the canon ending for the hardcore fanbase.

There's some other little nit-picking in there, but don't think it's viable enough.

This link:

Not much in this video, but how exactly does Multiplayer affect SIngleplayer exactly? He sounds like it will have a pretty significant affect, not just EMS.



This link about the Catalyst.
http://www.kotaku.co...five-years-ago/


This link:

2:04.. He talk about how everything in the level designs are hand-crafted. And how they spend hours doing it. Could it be then that those sprites we see at the ending weren't originally meant to be there? And were put in at the last minute, because the absense of bodies might tend towards a dream-like scenario. Which they'd want to avoid making blatantly obvious.
By sprites I mean....
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... that.

4:07 this whole section seems shady to me, he was asked about DLC and somehow started talking about the ending, that alone is suspicious. But then he continues saying that "the way we're structuring the story is a bit different, so it will make sense where the dlc plugs in to where it does."
If that doesn't scream indoctrination theory I dunno what does, because clarification and closure to the face-value endings we have now wont make for much of a different story structure. That's what I believe he's signalling when he uses that hand gesture, a twist to the plot.

If anyone can find some more vids, I'll study n add it. Thanks.

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Lord Luc1fer wrote...

What do you think guys, will Bioware announce a release for the extended cut at all or just drop it completely by surprise? If it is (hopefully) IT then it doesn't make any sense to possibly drop hints and ruin the surprise just prior to the big shock (for some) by announcing anything in advance


Attention goes to ComicCon 2012. mid-July, if no news then I suspect they'll drop it by surprise.

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paxxton wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

She'd be good at Poker. Could give Joker some tips. Posted Image Anyways, she knows how to achieve her goals with any means necessary.


She may be good, but Tali is better. You litterally cant read her Poker Face :lol:

Good catch! Posted Image


Beat me to it. :P

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Even though there may be in-game and out of game evidence to the 'Post-Ending' DLC - the EC itself may be, as some few of us have said, a delay tactic to quell the heat, alter perceptions, return a glimmer of hope, and give BW the time to get it done.

It also may be possible that some of the 'shift in focus' was either to move SP DLC around (which I personally doubt) or to move some of the MP DLC around for the 'Post Ending' because of possible tie ins. Now this is total speculation but we won't know exactly what happened until after all DLCs are out and we can see the release time line for ourselves. At that point we could speculate on what was shifted, but unless details are released, we'd never know for sure.

Another aspect of the prioritization could be the fan feedback - the sheer mass amounts of suggestions that flooded BSN may have been unprecedented. Filtering through all that data and drafting up statistics for possible content viability takes time. I really do think they were 'listening'. I think the end game plan was always to take some feedback into consideration; to be added to the end in some way or another, even if it were only to show up in the epilog. But I don't think BW expected the volume. Of course there is a chance some of the more popular things, like a more fleshed out pre (doubtful) or post war ME2 squaddie adventure, more in depth attention to those who were skimped on... If the demand count is high enough and BWs number crunchers see the $$$, a 'whole bunch of em (DLCs that is)', as Jack would say... could push the replayability of ME3 (not to mention the whole series) right up to the release date of ME4. The money generated from MP will keep the Dev coffers full, and SP may benefit from this in ways we can't yet grasp.

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I think he started hallucinating just after that Reaper blasted Alliance HQ. The whole game was a rip off of Jacob's Ladder.

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llbountyhunter wrote...

And the award for the best comment of the century goes too

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11289479/14#12559772

BRAV-****ing-O!! That comment perfectly encapsulates thoughts I have been struggling to express for months. Control, synthesis and the whole decision scenario have implications that run completely counter to the major themes of the series. The literal ending is a thematic reversal of epic proportions. That is one of the biggest reasons I think IT is true.

Bill Casey - I owe you one virtual beer. If you ever find yourself in San Diego, you can have a real one on me. seriously, that was very very well-said!

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llbountyhunter wrote...

And the award for the best comment of the century goes too

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11289479/14#12559772


Dear god that was an excellent summation. Go Bill!

Big Bad wrote...
Bill Casey - I owe you one virtual beer. If you ever find yourself in San Diego, you can have a real one on me. seriously, that was very very well-said!

 

i  second this, but you'd have to make a trip to the opposite coast...

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paxxton wrote...

This is my new motivational for ya all.

Posted Image

Crap, she knows I stayed loyal to her.. oh, wait.. Posted Image