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[Arashi08]

Big Bad wrote...

Okay, I want to get back to the Dark Space Invasion Hypothesis that was presented on page 743.  The more I think about it, the more I like it.  Opening the citadel relay and traveling to/destroying the reaper home/base/whatever would be a simple yet elegant way to wrap things up without using any .  Moreover, it would present lots of different opportunities for confronting Harbinger or seeing the consequences of your choices.  For example, maybe if you saved the rachni queen she and her forces will volunteer to hold off the reapers while the rest of the fleet blows the relay and escapes before it closes forever.  If you didn't save the relay, maybe Hackett has to stay behind.  Something like that.

I still like the idea of the Crucible being a trap or a distraction, but if it has to have a useful function, opening the relay to dark space is the best idea I've heard yet.

Here's something to ponder:  Assuming that DSIH is true (yes, I realize we don't have any kind of evidence whatsoever to assume this yet), does TIM know what the true purpose of the Crucible is?  And if so, how does this fit into his plans to control the Reapers?  Does he want to travel to their base, use his new reaper-controlling skills to somehow take over the place?

Yay you're using the name i came up with, though you're right it is more of a hypothesis than a theory since we have no real evidence to back it up.  As for whether TIM knows the true purpose of the Crucible, assuming that IT is true, we don't know what his plans actually are regarding his use of the Crucible.  maybe if he DOES know that it goes into Dark Space he could try to find out how indoctrination works at the "source," the Reaper Base.  still I feel I need to think on this more...it is an slight hole in the hypothesis.

[HellishFiend]

munnellyladt wrote...

Clevernoobs vid is just as good as the other one.
i'm surprised not as many people have seen it

They're very different, really. ACAVYOS's video is more theatric. It gets the core beliefs of IT across in a dramatic fashion. Clevernoobs video may not truly qualify as a "documentary", but it is an excellent analysis that is very well composed. 

[Jere85]

Mmmh, maybe this is a bit offtopic, but has anything been mentioned at E3 from EA about Mass effect? I havent been around for a while so i could have missed it.

[HellishFiend]

Jere85 wrote...

Mmmh, maybe this is a bit offtopic, but has anything been mentioned at E3 from EA about Mass effect? I havent been around for a while so i could have missed it.

It's not off topic at all. And no, they havent said anything besides what you see in the offical press statements and blogs. They are keeping the contents of the EC very secret, and that bodes well for IT believers!

[paxxton]

HellishFiend wrote...

Jere85 wrote...

Mmmh, maybe this is a bit offtopic, but has anything been mentioned at E3 from EA about Mass effect? I havent been around for a while so i could have missed it.

It's not off topic at all. And no, they havent said anything besides what you see in the offical press statements and blogs. They are keeping the contents of the EC very secret, and that bodes well for IT believers!

They effectively announced ME3 for WiiU.

[Jere85]

HellishFiend wrote...

Jere85 wrote...

Mmmh, maybe this is a bit offtopic, but has anything been mentioned at E3 from EA about Mass effect? I havent been around for a while so i could have missed it.

It's not off topic at all. And no, they havent said anything besides what you see in the offical press statements and blogs. They are keeping the contents of the EC very secret, and that bodes well for IT believers!

Nice thanks . But i meant off topic as in regard to it has little to do with IT. Exept for the reasons you mentioned.

[munnellyladt]

HellishFiend wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

Clevernoobs vid is just as good as the other one.
i'm surprised not as many people have seen it

They're very different, really. ACAVYOS's video is more theatric. It gets the core beliefs of IT across in a dramatic fashion. Clevernoobs video may not truly qualify as a "documentary", but it is an excellent analysis that is very well composed. 

Yea,i know that its just that i'm surprised that acavyo's vid has nearly1,000,000 views,
while clevernoobs has roughly 130,000.
Because clevernoob points at stuff that nobody even thinks about and is completely non-biased
which makes his vid that more fair to both sides.

as in to people who believe in IT,and those who do not.

[HellishFiend]

munnellyladt wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

Clevernoobs vid is just as good as the other one.
i'm surprised not as many people have seen it

They're very different, really. ACAVYOS's video is more theatric. It gets the core beliefs of IT across in a dramatic fashion. Clevernoobs video may not truly qualify as a "documentary", but it is an excellent analysis that is very well composed. 

Yea,i know that its just that i'm surprised that acavyo's vid has nearly1,000,000 views,
while clevernoobs has roughly 130,000.
Because clevernoob points at stuff that nobody even thinks about and is completely non-biased
which makes his vid that more fair to both sides.

as in to people who believe in IT,and those who do not.

Well, ACAVYOS's video was out way earlier, is shorter, and more theatric. All those elements cause it to have received a lot more exposures and views. 

An 80 minute long video is enough to make people close it outright because of the sheer length, unless they are very invested in the subject matter. So even though it's presented as being objective, the vast majority of the viewers will already be IT supporters. 

[munnellyladt]

HellishFiend wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

Clevernoobs vid is just as good as the other one.
i'm surprised not as many people have seen it

They're very different, really. ACAVYOS's video is more theatric. It gets the core beliefs of IT across in a dramatic fashion. Clevernoobs video may not truly qualify as a "documentary", but it is an excellent analysis that is very well composed. 

Yea,i know that its just that i'm surprised that acavyo's vid has nearly1,000,000 views,
while clevernoobs has roughly 130,000.
Because clevernoob points at stuff that nobody even thinks about and is completely non-biased
which makes his vid that more fair to both sides.

as in to people who believe in IT,and those who do not.

Well, ACAVYOS's video was out way earlier, is shorter, and more theatric. All those elements cause it to have received a lot more exposures and views. 

An 80 minute long video is enough to make people close it outright because of the sheer length, unless they are very invested in the subject matter. So even though it's presented as being objective, the vast majority of the viewers will already be IT supporters. 

Yea,i guess your right.

[HellishFiend]

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Jere85 wrote...

Mmmh, maybe this is a bit offtopic, but has anything been mentioned at E3 from EA about Mass effect? I havent been around for a while so i could have missed it.

It's not off topic at all. And no, they havent said anything besides what you see in the offical press statements and blogs. They are keeping the contents of the EC very secret, and that bodes well for IT believers!

They effectively announced ME3 for WiiU.

Whats a WiiU? <_<

[paxxton]

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Jere85 wrote...

Mmmh, maybe this is a bit offtopic, but has anything been mentioned at E3 from EA about Mass effect? I havent been around for a while so i could have missed it.

It's not off topic at all. And no, they havent said anything besides what you see in the offical press statements and blogs. They are keeping the contents of the EC very secret, and that bodes well for IT believers!

They effectively announced ME3 for WiiU.

Whats a WiiU? <_<

A console from Nintendo.  With a touchscreen.

Modifié par paxxton, 14 juin 2012 - 01:29 .

[Arian Dynas]

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Come to think of it, if you want an excellent example of this concept, look at Lord of the Rings.

What some called allegory, claiming that LoTR was written based off stories of WWII, Tolkein preferred to call "applicability" claiming that certain aspects of his stories could be found in many stories, even if they were otherwise unrelated. (read the foreword to the books and Professor Tolkein himself will explain it far better than I could.

Sorry to be an annoying pedentic Tolkien nerd, and I know that it doesn't damage the point you were making, but the claim is made that LoTR is a reflection of Tolkien's experience of fighting in the trenches in World War 1, not 2. He was allegedly disgusted at the emergence of mechanised warfare (first seen lage scale in WW1) very much in parallel to Saruman's mind full of "metal and wheels".

Actually, the astounding thing is, I meant what I said. A frighteningly high number of people think that LoTR was based off of WWII stories, even though Professor Tolkein had never served in WWII.

Which by the way makes my point even BETTER since it shows that people can apply things to things the author never even necessarily experienced.

I am aware that the majority of Mordor came from his experiences in WWI, Tanks at the fall of Gondolin, Industrialisation creeping up the hill, ect.

Oh and by the way; the entire quote is "He has a mind of metal, and wheels, and he no longer cares for growing things." -Treebeard on the subject of Carumo, AKA Saruman the Many-Coloured.

See, I can do it too.

You can also do it a damn sight more eloquently than me  I'm gonna make myself feel better by imagining you had to consult the book before giving that direct quote, but something tells me you didn't

I listened to the audio tapes at night when I was young. I've memorized much of the books.

"In a hole in the ground, there lived a hobbit. Not a nasty dirty wet hole, filled with ends of worms and nothing to eat, nor a bare dry sandy hole with nothing to sit down on and be comfortable. It was a hobbit hole, and that means comfort."

Yeah.

[BatmanTurian]

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Jere85 wrote...

Mmmh, maybe this is a bit offtopic, but has anything been mentioned at E3 from EA about Mass effect? I havent been around for a while so i could have missed it.

It's not off topic at all. And no, they havent said anything besides what you see in the offical press statements and blogs. They are keeping the contents of the EC very secret, and that bodes well for IT believers!

They effectively announced ME3 for WiiU.

Whats a WiiU? <_<

it's nintendo's new console. the controller has a touchscreen on it and looks sort of like a 3DS. You use the touchscreen along with the game controls.

[HellishFiend]

BatmanTurian wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...
Whats a WiiU? <_<

it's nintendo's new console. the controller has a touchscreen on it and looks sort of like a 3DS. You use the touchscreen along with the game controls.

I was employing subtle paxxton-style emoticon-based sarcasm, but thanks. 

[prettz]

paxxton wrote...

prettz wrote...

ok vid up for more gun fun...
well I hope it's at least entertaining. took way longer then it should have.:innocent:
www.youtube.com/watch

WoW. The whole video is great but the ending...I'm speechless (in a positive sense of course). Good work!

:Dending was my favorite part to do. it's a bit rough, corny ....epic:whistle: just gives me a feeling, that I want to feel in the game ending (cough) showdown.

[Andromidius]

Maybe slightly off topic, but I always thought a little proper explaination of the Reapers would have been cool. A reason for the 50,000 cycles, the harvesting and creation of new Reapers, maybe even a little explaination as to what Dark Energy is.

And my idea is the multi-galactic harvesting cycle. We don't even need to leave the galaxy, but knowing the Reapers are spreading across the universe would be chilling and really put the organic races in their place.

Could even have a little exposition that the Reapers are taking part in a huge war elsewhere, and are farming the other galaxies like we would farm plants and animals - we are resources to them, and they make sure we grow and mature before they cull us. And the Dark Energy sun (Haelstrom) is merely the result of an accident that happened long ago and has no real relivence to the overarcing plot.

Even if we destroyed the Reapers in this Galaxy, they'd exist elsewhere. Even if we control the Reapers here, they'd exist elsewhere and be uneffected. And Synthesis... Well scrap that idea because it was always the most far fetched and obvious lie Starbinger ever dredged up.

But hey, we have bigger things to worry about right now. Like getting a satisfying conclusion to ME3.

[Dwailing]

prettz wrote...

paxxton wrote...

prettz wrote...

ok vid up for more gun fun...
well I hope it's at least entertaining. took way longer then it should have.:innocent:
www.youtube.com/watch

WoW. The whole video is great but the ending...I'm speechless (in a positive sense of course). Good work!

:Dending was my favorite part to do. it's a bit rough, corny ....epic:whistle: just gives me a feeling, that I want to feel in the game ending (cough) showdown.

OK, I just have to comment on one thing.  I think the Carnifex actually DOES glitch if you have the Shuriken equiped.  Take a close look at the side during the scene.  I'm guessing that the Predator does as well, it's just that you don't SEE it happen.

[Arian Dynas]

Felt this deserved a bit of attention. Kudos to Bill Casey.

Bill Casey wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Control and Synthesis working out is ****ing stupid...
Offensively stupid...

Theme ruiningly bad...

Working out as in having some kind of a successful end result? Can you elaborate?

Yes...

Control working out runs concurrent to base themes. Control of this type is doomed to folly in the Mass Effect universe, from Miranda and Tali's respective fathers, to the Illusive Man, Project Overlord, to the Salarians and their uplift program, to the Prothean separatists to the Prothean Empire itself. Any attempt to Control the Reapers has led to indoctrination. Shepard repeatedly chastises The Illusive Man's methods regardless of options picked, and your crew repeatedly calls him crazy for thinking he can control the reapers. The theme is prevalent. This level of overreach shouldn't be rewarded just because Shepard does it...

This is compounded by the fact that the Reapers themselves are a force of corruption. Legion describes their minds are incomprehensibly powerful. It isn't like the Nautilus whose power itself corrupts Nemo; The Reapers themselves warp minds. Shepard is hearing voices, seeing shadows on the screen, and he just shot Anderson against his will a few minutes ago. Now he's going to control all of the Reapers. That's insultingly stupid from a conceptual standpoint. The fact that Anderson was yelling warnings and the Catalyst says "you will lose everything you have" turns this option from incredible dumb to "Schmuck Bait". Control working out turns the whole thing into a "Violation of Common Sense"...

Then we have Synthesis and I don't even know where to start. We've been fighting forced transhumanism for three games now. It spits in the face of the themes of working out our differences, self determination against fatalism, the socio-technological balance, and diversity. It alters all life in the galaxy under the assertion that there is something fundamentally wrong with us. It's beyond cynical...

This is again a recurring theme with unfortunate implications. The Reapers see themselves as the final evolution of life. Saren has been mentioned enough, but the Illusive Man is forcing transhumanism to bring humanity to the "apex of evolution", in his own words. The Collectors and the Zha'Til are examples of Reapers fusing man and machine, and then altering their genetic material at the deepest level to form something new. Pretty much your entire squad in Mass Effect 2 tells you rewriting the heretics is the same as killing them...

The way the Geth and EDI are presented has severe racist undertones for the assertion that synthetic life will inevitably destroy organic life. The Geth tackle hot button issues of slavery and basic civil rights, and the Geth Consensus had scenes straight out of Germany in the 1940s, where martial law is declared and Quarians are shot for "harboring synthetics"...

It's established through talking to EDI that peace between the Reapers should not work. World Leaders are being called into Reaper super structures to negotiate peace, but it's a ruse to indoctrinate them and pacify the populace. The leaders will soon enact laws that prevent attacking the Reapers, which will again be done in the name of peace. EDI makes certain to reiterate this. When the master control reapers says "we need eachother to make this happen", it red flags the entire situation and makes it working out another violation of common sense...

In fact, Destroy is the only option whose viability fits the narrative presented. If you talk to James Vega in your quarters, he will tell about how he destroyed a collector ship, but sacrificed most of the abducted colonists and his team in the process. There is no option to say anything other than James made the right call. Paragon or Renegade, Shepard says this was the right thing to do...

Lieutenant Victus doesn't want to sacrifice his men for the mission, and all Shepards talk him into it...
Hackett sacrifices the entire second fleet, and Garrus has to make some extremely unpleasant tactical decisions...

It's a dynamic that might work in Deus Ex, but it fundamentally does not here...

[Arian Dynas]

Looking at this also makes me realize, the ending is about understanding. Understanding the flaws in synthesis and control, and understanding Shepard's own philosophy of necessary sacrifice.

You have to understand that some sacrifices need to be made.

[llbountyhunter]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Looking at this also makes me realize, the ending is about understanding. Understanding the flaws in synthesis and control, and understanding Shepard's own philosophy of necessary sacrifice.

You have to understand that some sacrifices need to be made.

yes, that post was awarded the "best response of the century" by us a few hourse back.... lol. 

http://social.biowar...479/14#12559772 

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 14 juin 2012 - 02:04 .

[BatmanTurian]

Andromidius wrote...

Maybe slightly off topic, but I always thought a little proper explaination of the Reapers would have been cool. A reason for the 50,000 cycles, the harvesting and creation of new Reapers, maybe even a little explaination as to what Dark Energy is.

And my idea is the multi-galactic harvesting cycle. We don't even need to leave the galaxy, but knowing the Reapers are spreading across the universe would be chilling and really put the organic races in their place.

Could even have a little exposition that the Reapers are taking part in a huge war elsewhere, and are farming the other galaxies like we would farm plants and animals - we are resources to them, and they make sure we grow and mature before they cull us. And the Dark Energy sun (Haelstrom) is merely the result of an accident that happened long ago and has no real relivence to the overarcing plot.

Even if we destroyed the Reapers in this Galaxy, they'd exist elsewhere. Even if we control the Reapers here, they'd exist elsewhere and be uneffected. And Synthesis... Well scrap that idea because it was always the most far fetched and obvious lie Starbinger ever dredged up.

But hey, we have bigger things to worry about right now. Like getting a satisfying conclusion to ME3.

this is what I was talking about. If the Reapers were spread out more (and they've had the time to colonize other galaxies) then they'd be a terrifying foe all over again and if there were different permutations of Reapers in different galaxies with different or upgraded technology, might get interesting.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 14 juin 2012 - 02:06 .

[BatmanTurian]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Looking at this also makes me realize, the ending is about understanding. Understanding the flaws in synthesis and control, and understanding Shepard's own philosophy of necessary sacrifice.

You have to understand that some sacrifices need to be made.

yes, that post was awarded the "best response of the century" by us a few hourse back.... lol. 

http://social.biowar...479/14#12559772 

we should put it up as part of the argument for IT if not as evidence. A persuasive argument is half the battle.

[Arian Dynas]

The other halves are knowing, and red and blue lazers.

...

Yes that is 3 halves.

[llbountyhunter]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Maybe slightly off topic, but I always thought a little proper explaination of the Reapers would have been cool. A reason for the 50,000 cycles, the harvesting and creation of new Reapers, maybe even a little explaination as to what Dark Energy is.

And my idea is the multi-galactic harvesting cycle. We don't even need to leave the galaxy, but knowing the Reapers are spreading across the universe would be chilling and really put the organic races in their place.

Could even have a little exposition that the Reapers are taking part in a huge war elsewhere, and are farming the other galaxies like we would farm plants and animals - we are resources to them, and they make sure we grow and mature before they cull us. And the Dark Energy sun (Haelstrom) is merely the result of an accident that happened long ago and has no real relivence to the overarcing plot.

Even if we destroyed the Reapers in this Galaxy, they'd exist elsewhere. Even if we control the Reapers here, they'd exist elsewhere and be uneffected. And Synthesis... Well scrap that idea because it was always the most far fetched and obvious lie Starbinger ever dredged up.

But hey, we have bigger things to worry about right now. Like getting a satisfying conclusion to ME3.

this is what I was talking about. If the Reapers were spread out more (and they've had the time to colonize other galaxies) then they'd be a terrifying foe all over again and if there were different permutations of Reapers in different galaxies with different or upgraded technology, might get interesting.

I think spreading the reapers across the galaxy is too unlrealistic. those distances are impossible to travel, and you would have to get there by conventional means at leat once to set up a relay....

also, I dont think the threat should be so big... once it passes a certain point we just fail to comprehend the impact of those large quantaties, and the emotional dial drops to zero.


just my thoughts.

[HellishFiend]

In my opinion, Bill Casey's post essentially proves beyond the shadow of a doubt Bioware has engineered either the most immersive videogame storyline to date, or the worst literary collapse in videogame history.

There is no middle ground.