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Arian Dynas wrote...
Looking at this also makes me realize, the ending is about understanding. Understanding the flaws in synthesis and control, and understanding Shepard's own philosophy of necessary sacrifice.
You have to understand that some sacrifices need to be made.
Auralius Carolus wrote...
Arian Dynas wrote...
Looking at this also makes me realize, the ending is about understanding. Understanding the flaws in synthesis and control, and understanding Shepard's own philosophy of necessary sacrifice.
You have to understand that some sacrifices need to be made.
Oh Arian, I do so love how you are so full of crap.
Necessary sacrifice... pfft. Sometimes evil things just need to die.
llbountyhunter wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
Andromidius wrote...
Maybe slightly off topic, but I always thought a little proper explaination of the Reapers would have been cool. A reason for the 50,000 cycles, the harvesting and creation of new Reapers, maybe even a little explaination as to what Dark Energy is.
And my idea is the multi-galactic harvesting cycle. We don't even need to leave the galaxy, but knowing the Reapers are spreading across the universe would be chilling and really put the organic races in their place.
Could even have a little exposition that the Reapers are taking part in a huge war elsewhere, and are farming the other galaxies like we would farm plants and animals - we are resources to them, and they make sure we grow and mature before they cull us. And the Dark Energy sun (Haelstrom) is merely the result of an accident that happened long ago and has no real relivence to the overarcing plot.
Even if we destroyed the Reapers in this Galaxy, they'd exist elsewhere. Even if we control the Reapers here, they'd exist elsewhere and be uneffected. And Synthesis... Well scrap that idea because it was always the most far fetched and obvious lie Starbinger ever dredged up.
But hey, we have bigger things to worry about right now. Like getting a satisfying conclusion to ME3.
this is what I was talking about. If the Reapers were spread out more (and they've had the time to colonize other galaxies) then they'd be a terrifying foe all over again and if there were different permutations of Reapers in different galaxies with different or upgraded technology, might get interesting.
I think spreading the reapers across the galaxy is too unlrealistic. those distances are impossible to travel, and you would have to get there by conventional means at leat once to set up a relay....
also, I dont think the threat should be so big... once it passes a certain point we just fail to comprehend the impact of those large quantaties, and the emotional dial drops to zero.
just my thoughts.
BatmanTurian wrote...
llbountyhunter wrote...
I think spreading the reapers across the galaxy is too unlrealistic. those distances are impossible to travel, and you would have to get there by conventional means at leat once to set up a relay....
also, I dont think the threat should be so big... once it passes a certain point we just fail to comprehend the impact of those large quantaties, and the emotional dial drops to zero.
just my thoughts.
I think you mean universe, but all it would need to be is in our local group, not the others that are flying away from us.
Auralius Carolus wrote...
Arian Dynas wrote...
Looking at this also makes me realize, the ending is about understanding. Understanding the flaws in synthesis and control, and understanding Shepard's own philosophy of necessary sacrifice.
You have to understand that some sacrifices need to be made.
Oh Arian, I do so love how you are so full of crap.
Necessary sacrifice... pfft. Sometimes evil things just need to die.
llbountyhunter wrote...
Auralius Carolus wrote...
Arian Dynas wrote...
Looking at this also makes me realize, the ending is about understanding. Understanding the flaws in synthesis and control, and understanding Shepard's own philosophy of necessary sacrifice.
You have to understand that some sacrifices need to be made.
Oh Arian, I do so love how you are so full of crap.
Necessary sacrifice... pfft. Sometimes evil things just need to die.
I think he was talking about the geth and EDI's sacrifies in choosing destroy.
could be wrong though....
Arashi08 wrote...
Yay you're using the name i came up with, though you're right it is more of a hypothesis than a theory since we have no real evidence to back it up. As for whether TIM knows the true purpose of the Crucible, assuming that IT is true, we don't know what his plans actually are regarding his use of the Crucible. maybe if he DOES know that it goes into Dark Space he could try to find out how indoctrination works at the "source," the Reaper Base. still I feel I need to think on this more...it is an slight hole in the hypothesis.Big Bad wrote...
Okay, I want to get back to the Dark Space Invasion Hypothesis that was presented on page 743. The more I think about it, the more I like it. Opening the citadel relay and traveling to/destroying the reaper home/base/whatever would be a simple yet elegant way to wrap things up without using any. Moreover, it would present lots of different opportunities for confronting Harbinger or seeing the consequences of your choices. For example, maybe if you saved the rachni queen she and her forces will volunteer to hold off the reapers while the rest of the fleet blows the relay and escapes before it closes forever. If you didn't save the relay, maybe Hackett has to stay behind. Something like that.
I still like the idea of the Crucible being a trap or a distraction, but if it has to have a useful function, opening the relay to dark space is the best idea I've heard yet.
Here's something to ponder: Assuming that DSIH is true (yes, I realize we don't have any kind of evidence whatsoever to assume this yet), does TIM know what the true purpose of the Crucible is? And if so, how does this fit into his plans to control the Reapers? Does he want to travel to their base, use his new reaper-controlling skills to somehow take over the place?
HellishFiend wrote...
In my opinion, Bill Casey's post essentially proves beyond the shadow of a doubt Bioware has engineered either the most immersive videogame storyline to date, or the worst literary collapse in videogame history.
There is no middle ground.
gunslinger_ruiz wrote...
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These are images of every painting I could find during the London mission from start to finish. I know of one I missed due to lightning, will try to get it next playthrough.
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I am perfectly happy to be proven wrong. If hard evidence comes to light that definitively disproves any of it, then great! I'll modify my thoughts accordingly.
Because, he said rather pompously, that's what you DO. If the evidence doesn't fit your theory, you change your theory. Even if it was a cool theory, and even if it explained things in a way you liked. You shrug and you smile and you move on. Because not doing that makes you, at best, a bell end (and at worst, a fanatic).
Modifié par Destructorlio, 14 juin 2012 - 02:37 .
HellishFiend wrote...
Graffiti aside, those are all 100% abstract. Does anyone know the meaning of abstract paintings within dreams? If the symbolism fits, it's worth considering as evidence.
Modifié par BatmanTurian, 14 juin 2012 - 02:39 .
BatmanTurian wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
Graffiti aside, those are all 100% abstract. Does anyone know the meaning of abstract paintings within dreams? If the symbolism fits, it's worth considering as evidence.
I see a lot of red Reaper shapes, oily shadows, blue reapertech
HellishFiend wrote...
Dwailing, just post whenever you want..
You make it seem like posting here is akin to imbibing spirits when youre trying to curb an alcohol addiction.
You guys are just too awesome for me to stay away.
Modifié par Dwailing, 14 juin 2012 - 02:45 .
Destructorlio wrote...
Hey guys, sorry, been away since about 550- anything new I need to know about? Have we talked about the Earth dlc?
I was thinking about the announcement that there might be some EC content and how they might market it is IT is true. The way I see it there are three ways they can go:Something like that?
- Continue being absolutely stum- they can show content from the game, but it will be carefully constructed not to reveal/deny IT.
- Give up an leak the secret. This will have a couple of advantages: it will prepare the ME fanbase for the reveal, it will get up a lot of hype and expectation, it may even make some people angry about the ending go back and play it with a fresh set of eyes.
- I think they're going to go for a hybrid. I don't think they are going to utterly reveal IT, but it might make some sense to sort of... hint that all was not as it seems- this way it isn't totally clear that IT is true, but starts to warm the playerbase to the idea that the EC might shed new light on how the game ending. I'm thinking of a trailer that starts with shots from the endgame, with that SHOOM SHOOM! noise you hear right before you make your choice, showing Shepard limping towards the beams, with the words: "YOU THOUGHT YOU SAVED THE GALAXY..." SHOOM SHOOM! Shots of the Relays exploding. "NOW LEARN..." SHOOM SHOOM! Quick-cut shots from the EC. "...THE TRUTH." Shepard's eyes opening. In-game shots of combat. Date of release.
Another thought- I read a review of Prometheus the other day, which ended with a sentiment I'd like to quote here:I am perfectly happy to be proven wrong. If hard evidence comes to light that definitively disproves any of it, then great! I'll modify my thoughts accordingly.
Because, he said rather pompously, that's what you DO. If the evidence doesn't fit your theory, you change your theory. Even if it was a cool theory, and even if it explained things in a way you liked. You shrug and you smile and you move on. Because not doing that makes you, at best, a bell end (and at worst, a fanatic).
Dwailing wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
Dwailing, just post whenever you want..
You make it seem like posting here is akin to imbibing spirits when youre trying to curb an alcohol addiction.
LOL, that's a good one. It's nothing like that, though, it's just that I had said yesterday that I was going to take a break from posting to hopefully get some work done on other things, but I see now that that will be impossible.
HellishFiend wrote...
By the way, if you havent already, read Bill Casey's post that was quoted on the previous page. It is an excellent read!
Arian Dynas wrote...
Auralius Carolus wrote...
Arian Dynas wrote...
Looking at this also makes me realize, the ending is about understanding. Understanding the flaws in synthesis and control, and understanding Shepard's own philosophy of necessary sacrifice.
You have to understand that some sacrifices need to be made.
Oh Arian, I do so love how you are so full of crap.
Necessary sacrifice... pfft. Sometimes evil things just need to die.
If that smell is what you're talking about, take a whiff of yourself.
What I AM saying is that at the end of the game we are presented with 3 philosophies concerning the Reapers.
Two that accept them, one that does not.
Control is embodied in The Illusive Man, who belives he can manipulate others for power and gain.
He is proven wrong time and time again, he couldn't manipulate Shepard, EDI, the Reapers, and a number of others.
Synthesis is embodied in Saren, who felt he could reach an understanding, something that would have the strengths of both, and the weaknesses of neither, the long life of synthetics, as well as their interconnection and empathy of one another, (supposedly) with the individuality of organics.
Destroy is personified in Shepard, who defies the Reapers completely, he rejects them utterly, even rejecting the idea that monsters like this could even exist. He is Reaper anathema.
Basically, you are given the choice that Shepard himself has been making the whole game thus far.
Belieive you can manipulate them, but accept that they are a necessity for your power, belieive you can make peace with them, but accept that their philosophy is necessary and that indeed everything they claim will happen as they claim.
Or reject them. Even though there might be losses and you might have to give up some things or some people might get killed, you reject them, and you keep doing so until either they, or you, are dead.
HellishFiend wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
Graffiti aside, those are all 100% abstract. Does anyone know the meaning of abstract paintings within dreams? If the symbolism fits, it's worth considering as evidence.
I see a lot of red Reaper shapes, oily shadows, blue reapertech
I'm more of an aficionado of literary art rather than paintings, but my understanding is that abstract paintings are always up for.... intepretation.
Hrm, now that I think about it, that may be the point. Presence of abstrant paintings as a message that things are being left up to interpretation? Or to look extra hard for symbolism?
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